[Blackpill] A decent looking guy who is incel due to not having a good social circle is not a "mentalcel".

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There seems to be two camps in the incelosphere. The first and most common idea is that a dude is incel due to being ugly. The second is that a dude can be a good looking enough normie but have mental problems like autism that cause him to be incel. So the two types of incel are basically "truecel" and "mentalcel". But I think there is a third type of incel that needs to be discussed.

If a dude is okay looking, he could still get females even if he's not Chad, (inb4 people screech, granted, he could still get cucked), but if you go outside you can see normies with girlfriends, and they got those through SOCIAL CIRCLE. Having a social circle isn't something you can magically build, it is a RESOURCE. And being able to make friends in and of itself isn't enough to have a social circle to meet girls. It's possible to be an incel with a couple guy friends but not have social access to females. This is not a "mental" issue, it's an issue of Social Resources.

mentalcellism is cope to a large degree

even if you ignore looks

status, standing and social resources are actual RESOURCES

you don't just create them by being NT and "not a mentalcel" and "not an autist"

you either have them, or you don't
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
 
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You have to take into consideration that in order to have a decent social circle you need to meet a certain threshold in looks and more importantly being NT. Otherwise it is statistically true that the more people you meet the higher the probability that you'll end up with someone.
 
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I mostly agree, but if the normie doesn't have autism and can't get a female because of not being "social" enough then that's something he can fix through working on improving himself. Is that still considered an incel if he can voluntarily do something to drastically increase his chances of getting with a female?
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
This or be a tallfag
 
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Very true.

This is why "just make friends bro" is dogshit advice.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for unknown guys to get into normie social circles. If you think it is, you're still bluepilled.
 
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I mostly agree, but if the normie doesn't have autism and can't get a female because of not being "social" enough then that's something he can fix through working on improving himself. Is that still considered an incel if he can voluntarily do something to drastically increase his chances of getting with a female?
"Working on improving himself". You mean in a social sense?

You're saying the dude needs to just befriend people he doesn't care too much about, just to network for the chance at sex? Seems like ridiculous hoops to jump through. Also, even if he wants to do this, people who have established social groups aren't eager to make new friends, so you might come across as "needy", especially when they see how "socially poor" you are, and people might feel like withholding friendship.
Very true.

This is why "just make friends bro" is dogshit advice.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for unknown guys to get into normie social circles. If you think it is, you're still bluepilled.
"Just be NT" is usually dogshit in general.
 
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first is best described as normiecel/failed chad
best way i can describe a mentalcel is probably elliot rodger. he had a small, close group of friends but just couldnt talk to women due to extreme axniety and underlying mental issues. although the most common mentalcels in the community are probably handsome guys who have come close to getting pussy but their serious mental issues got in the way
 
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first is best described as normiecel/failed chad
best way i can describe a mentalcel is probably elliot rodger. he had a small, close group of friends but just couldnt talk to women due to extreme axniety and underlying mental issues. although the most common mentalcels in the community are probably handsome guys who have come close to getting pussy but their serious mental issues got in the way
"failed Chad" doesn't exist. "Failed normie" arguably does. Although the definition of that is up for debate.

As for ER, like you said he had a close group of friends, but he never attended parties where he had strong social access to females. he never even had a chance to talk to women in a situation where it could escalate to dating/sex
 
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"failed Chad" doesn't exist. "Failed normie" arguably does. Although the definition of that is up for debate.
yeah you got a point tbh, ive seen a couple failed chads imo but you could probs chalk that up to failed normie as well
As for ER, like you said he had a close group of friends, but he never attended parties where he had strong social access to females. he never even had a chance to talk to women in a situation where it could escalate to dating/sex
im pretty sure he tried to cold approach out of desperation and the one time he went to a frat party he got bullied and kicked out
 
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yeah you got a point tbh, ive seen a couple failed chads imo but you could probs chalk that up to failed normie as well

im pretty sure he tried to cold approach out of desperation and the one time he went to a frat party he got bullied and kicked out
I do remember the frat party where he cold approached and got kicked out. But that was my point. Cold approach is useless for Non-Chads because she is going by looks alone, it's basically a real life version of Tinder. If Elliot had a healthy social circle, he could've been introduced to a female in a healthier way instead of having to show up alone like an autist.
 
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I do remember the frat party where he cold approached and got kicked out. But that was my point. Cold approach is useless for Non-Chads because she is going by looks alone, it's basically a real life version of Tinder. If Elliot had a healthy social circle, he could've been introduced to a female in a healthier way instead of having to show up alone like an autist.
cold approach= embarrassment for non chads and chad larpers, standard issue for chads
and elliot had a pretty good chance at a social circle, he was even invited to the hunger games premiere, its just that he couldnt make any use of it with his autism
 
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cold approach= embarrassment for non chads and chad larpers, standard issue for chads
and elliot had a pretty good chance at a social circle, he was even invited to the hunger games premiere, its just that he couldnt make any use of it with his autism
Elliot was only invited to that hunger games premeire because of his dad's connections anyway. It's not like Elliot knew anyone from his school there to build his social circle into something big.
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
TBH. People, even on here, don’t seem to understand just how bad hypergamy has gotten. Also corona had made it even more so than tinder is real life. If you can’t get decent looking matches who message you on tinder, most males can’t, than you are an incel. Radical feminism and foids rights incelizes a lot of men. I rarely ever see “normie men with foids” as users here like to claim. @Personalityinkwell
 
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TBH. People, even on here, don’t seem to understand just how bad hypergamy has gotten. Also corona had made it even more so than tinder is real life. If you can’t get decent looking matches who message you on tinder, most males can’t, than you are an incel. Radical feminism and foids rights incelizes a lot of men. I rarely ever see “normie men with foids” as users here like to claim. @Personalityinkwell
I was referring more to 6-7/10 dudes as opposed to 5/10 dudes.

As for corona, that actually has made social circle completely irrelevant.

And it's also worth noting I'm referring to high school and college. After school social circle game is 99% dead.
 
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I mostly agree, but if the normie doesn't have autism and can't get a female because of not being "social" enough then that's something he can fix through working on improving himself. Is that still considered an incel if he can voluntarily do something to drastically increase his chances of getting with a female?
Just make friends bro lmao

The reality is that nobody wants to be friends with somebody who doesn’t have any friends. There’s a reason why no one in high school ever invited you to come sit at their table during lunch when they saw you were by yourself. Normies are afraid that their own social status will be tainted or lowered just by associating with someone like you.
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
An NT/low inhib/jester maxed/social circle-maxed/confident bro/driver licensed/decent job-cel 6 can often ascend with close enough to their looksmatch.
 
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I was referring more to 6-7/10 dudes as opposed to 5/10 dudes.

As for corona, that actually has made social circle completely irrelevant.

And it's also worth noting I'm referring to high school and college. After school social circle game is 99% dead.
I agree with social circle being dead after college. It might be dead after HS even tbh. I guess you have a point with 6-7 dudes. I don’t think 6-7 males are incels I just think they get SMV mogged by basically every toilet and can’t consistently get sex with attractive partners like chad and foids can.
 
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Very true.

This is why "just make friends bro" is dogshit advice.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for unknown guys to get into normie social circles. If you think it is, you're still bluepilled.
There seems to be two camps in the incelosphere. The first and most common idea is that a dude is incel due to being ugly. The second is that a dude can be a good looking enough normie but have mental problems like autism that cause him to be incel. So the two types of incel are basically "truecel" and "mentalcel". But I think there is a third type of incel that needs to be discussed.

If a dude is okay looking, he could still get females even if he's not Chad, (inb4 people screech, granted, he could still get cucked), but if you go outside you can see normies with girlfriends, and they got those through SOCIAL CIRCLE. Having a social circle isn't something you can magically build, it is a RESOURCE. And being able to make friends in and of itself isn't enough to have a social circle to meet girls. It's possible to be an incel with a couple guy friends but not have social access to females. This is not a "mental" issue, it's an issue of Social Resources.

Since you guys are extremely non NT( no offense)
how can you know its impossible or so hard to make friends as an NT Guy?
Having a few awkward low status friends who dont party or go to social events with girls(like festivals/concerts/raves/bars) is not NT or good enough friends wise .

Two of the most popular guys i know are ugly fat people yet they have a sea of friends and connections.
 
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Since you guys are extremely non NT( no offense)
how can you know its impossible or so hard to make friends as an NT Guy?
Having a few awkward low status friends who dont party or go to social events with girls(like festivals/concerts/raves/bars) is not NT or good enough friends wise .

Two of the most popular guys i know are ugly fat people yet they have a sea of friends and connections.
Just make friends bro lmao

The reality is that nobody wants to be friends with somebody who doesn’t have any friends. There’s a reason why no one in high school ever invited you to come sit at their table during lunch when they saw you were by yourself. Normies are afraid that their own social status will be tainted or lowered just by associating with someone like you.
 
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Should i change my describtion from mentalcel to lacking in social recourcescel? Lol.
 
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Should i change my describtion from mentalcel to lacking in social recourcescel? Lol.
Perhaps. We don't seem to be able to have an exact term for this though.
 
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Since you guys are extremely non NT( no offense)
how can you know its impossible or so hard to make friends as an NT Guy?
Having a few awkward low status friends who dont party or go to social events with girls(like festivals/concerts/raves/bars) is not NT or good enough friends wise .

Two of the most popular guys i know are ugly fat people yet they have a sea of friends and connections.
You don’t have to be non-NT to be socially retarded.
Should i change my describtion from mentalcel to lacking in social recourcescel? Lol.
Socialcel.
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
 
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I'm not a classical lower tho, at least not anymore. I guess mentalcel is really the best term we have atm to describe my situation.
 
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Two of the most popular guys i know are ugly fat people yet they have a sea of friends and connections.
These are likely inherited and built up from a very very young age. It is impossible to manufacture super large social circles starting from a small amount of friends in late teens/early 20s. You can't blame someone because in their early teens they liked to just chill with a few close friends.
 
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I'm not a mentalcel
 
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I agree to a certain extent.
 
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I do not believe "mentalcels" exist. People use the label when they are coping with the fact they are not good looking enough to get the women they want. It is easy to blame your brain but even a low IQ, stuttering, shy Chad would get fine ass bitches.
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
cope, 90% of people are normies with normie personalities and most have sex
 
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I do not believe "mentalcels" exist. People use the label when they are coping with the fact they are not good looking enough to get the women they want. It is easy to blame your brain but even a low IQ, stuttering, shy Chad would get fine ass bitches.
No fucking shit Chad gets laid.

But when you take two normies, one who is super social circle maxxed, and the other has only a few male friends, then what happens is the first gets a girlfriend and the other ends up incel. This is not a "mental" issue, but one related to STATUS.
 
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cope, to build a social circle you only need to look good, put yourself out there, and be confident which comes with looking good due to the positive feedback cycle
 
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cope, to build a social circle you only need to look good, put yourself out there, and be confident which comes with looking good due to the positive feedback cycle
By "look good", do you mean be Chad? Because plenty of average looking people have good social circles in high school and college
 
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These are likely inherited and built up from a very very young age. It is impossible to manufacture super large social circles starting from a small amount of friends in late teens/early 20s. You can't blame someone because in their early teens they liked to just chill with a few close friends.
You can always make friends. You just need to learn how bro. Dont blame ur looks on everything my friend.
I'm not a mentalcel
because you are one of the more NT members here from what it seems.
 
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You can always make friends. You just need to learn how bro. Dont blame ur looks on everything my friend.
I never said it was all looks. Seriously stop using that strawman.

The point is that friends are usually made through other friends, when you start at a position of social poverty, it is much harder to make friends. Even if you do make friends, the quality of those friends will be lower.

3. You usually need SOME social resources in order to get more, just losing out on the earliest social resources you get from family ties can put you on the backfoot, and the disgust shown to you by people who notice your poverty in social resources is not imagined, it's really there, and it wouldn't exist if social resources had little value, meaning they were actually easy to generate or obtain. They are treated as a precious thing because they are a precious thing.

4. Trying to fast track your acquisition of social resources puts you at risk of being taken advantage of by sociopaths. This is part of the reason why social resources are so valued. You are not just connected but you are connected to the right people.
 
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I never said it was all looks. Seriously stop using that strawman.

The point is that friends are usually made through other friends, when you start at a position of social poverty, it is much harder to make friends. Even if you do make friends, the quality of those friends will be lower.
Stop quoting other peoples texts bro.
Btw why dont you read guides and try new strategies on making friends instead of assuming its really hard or close to impossible?

making friends is not the same as attracting women, its in your control while the latter isnt.
 
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Stop quoting other peoples texts bro.
Btw why dont you read guides and try new strategies on making friends instead of assuming its really hard or close to impossible?

making friends is not the same as attracting women, its in your control while the latter isnt.
Stop getting mad when I quote texts. The only reason you do is because it is a good point.

I have read texts on that shit, and its gimmicky as fuck. Making friends occurs in school settings or through other friend groups. Being a low status fuck makes it hard to acquire high quality social resources past a certain age. You seem to be denying this basic truth. When people see you as a low status person they look down upon you, this is NOT BS. So stop acting like it is.
 
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By "look good", do you mean be Chad? Because plenty of average looking people have good social circles in high school and college
fair point tbh. even ugly men can have a social circle i'd say, but being truly respected, let alone getting a gf, is another story

average males with gfs arent any better than us... they're either betabuxxers or the gf settled with him bc chad won't have her, and they always get cucked
 
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If someone has normie looks they need to be mega social and as low inhib as possible to get a girlfriend.
A normie guy with a normie personality will die incel
This seems to be an extension of sub-8 theory
 
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I mostly agree, but if the normie doesn't have autism and can't get a female because of not being "social" enough then that's something he can fix through working on improving himself. Is that still considered an incel if he can voluntarily do something to drastically increase his chances of getting with a female?
Depends on whether "working on improving himself" means learning to jestermaxx. If a woman is attracted to your jestermaxxing but not your true personality it's not legit love but rather more similar to prostitution.
 
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Is not a mentalcel, it's a fakecel
 
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Stop getting mad when I quote texts. The only reason you do is because it is a good point.

I have read texts on that shit, and its gimmicky as fuck. Making friends occurs in school settings or through other friend groups. Being a low status fuck makes it hard to acquire high quality social resources past a certain age. You seem to be denying this basic truth. When people see you as a low status person they look down upon you, this is NOT BS. So stop acting like it is.
Yes, but your low status is signaled by being non NT.
NT people make friends, This is undeniable.
If your looks are gonna effect your ability to make friends, you need to be a legit 1/10 burnvictim.

Im not saying its your fault you are non NT. But stop blaming other non factors in making friends. Just realize its your lack of social skills that makes you unable to make friends-nothing else. Just admit it.
 
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I agree with this they’re fakecels
 
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Yes, but your low status is signaled by being non NT.
NT people make friends, This is undeniable.
If your looks are gonna effect your ability to make friends, you need to be a legit 1/10 burnvictim.

Im not saying its your fault you are non NT. But stop blaming other non factors in making friends. Just realize its your lack of social skills that makes you unable to make friends-nothing else. Just admit it.
No, you are wrong. A 7/10 dude with lots of friends has an easier time making friends then a 4/10 dude who has only a few friends to begin with.

You do realize that in many cases, men meet friends through other friends? Social vetting is a real thing, and its a much more effective way to make friends than meeting them without social vetting.

Looks, social resources, and social skills are all factors in making friends. You will respond by saying "stop blaming it on pure looks". I never did, I said it was a FACTOR. You need to understand that.
I agree with this they’re fakecels
If they're not getting laid they can't be fakecel.
 
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>Too high inhib to talk on discord
> not a mentalcel
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What? Never said that i'm not a mentalcel or that mentalcels are fakecels. I just said that if a guy is decent looking and is low inhib to get a social circle he's a fakecel. And if he can't get a social circle with holes or interact with them he would be some kind of mentalcel i guess tho less extreme than most and probably fixable.
 
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No, you are wrong. A 7/10 dude with lots of friends has an easier time making friends then a 4/10 dude who has only a few friends to begin with.

You do realize that in many cases, men meet friends through other friends? Social vetting is a real thing, and its a much more effective way to make friends than meeting them without social vetting.

Looks, social resources, and social skills are all factors in making friends. You will respond by saying "stop blaming it on pure looks". I never did, I said it was a FACTOR. You need to understand that.

If they're not getting laid they can't be fakecel.
You still wont admit its your social skills that make you unable to get friends? Dont be one of those copers, just admit it and move on bro
 
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You still wont admit its your social skills that make you unable to get friends? Dont be one of those copers, just admit it and move on bro
I have had friends though bro, its not like I haven't ever had friends.

Why do you seem so invested on telling me what's going on in my life? You act like you know what other's people situations are but you don't.

And you basically ignored the details of my post, because it's impossible to debunk. We both know that social vetting and looks affect how you are accepted and perceived by others.
 
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No, you are wrong. A 7/10 dude with lots of friends has an easier time making friends then a 4/10 dude who has only a few friends to begin with.

You do realize that in many cases, men meet friends through other friends? Social vetting is a real thing, and its a much more effective way to make friends than meeting them without social vetting.

Looks, social resources, and social skills are all factors in making friends. You will respond by saying "stop blaming it on pure looks". I never did, I said it was a FACTOR. You need to understand that.

If they're not getting laid they can't be fakecel.
You need to be NT to make friends.
I've seen it in my current job where all the new lads were juniors and no one knew each other.
The NTs made strong social bonds and partyd together while I was excluded. Eventually, the NTs invited other non work friends to their nightly gatherings and so on.

You are both right.
 
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You need to be NT to make friends.
I've seen it in my current job where all the new lads were juniors and no one knew each other.
The NTs made strong social bonds and partyd together while I was excluded. Eventually, the NTs invited other non work friends to their nightly gatherings.
You are talking about a new job, where everyone starts from scratch and is on an EQUAL LEVEL in terms of social resources.

But if you are BEHIND others, it's a different story.
 
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Thanks for boosting my older writing, bro, it needs more exposure.

If you're looking for a short term for this type of thing, I like to call it "logistics", you can probably search that term here for more.

You shouldn't have to tell anyone that the logistics problem immediately becomes atrocious if you're a virgin and low on friends past the age of 18-19 or so, which covers a lot of people that are posting on incel and looks forums.

By that age it's almost as bad as being deformed or autistic, your life story will literally scare people and make them do double takes, right now I can't even imagine the amount of fabrications you will have to deploy to disguise yourself as a normie since things change faster and faster as time goes on.
 
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