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Incels need to form our own sexbot development company. One that explicitly caters to our needs as lonely men only. It should employ only blackpilled men and should probably be a workers coop too so we don't have to answer to shareholders.
Worth a try, but expect ZOG to shut you down if you do something that the gynocracy doesn't approve of.

At any rate, it seems to me that the real technical hurdles for a sexbot are the hardware. I mean, just to pick one problem (out of many) to use as an example, consider body heat. Current sex dolls are cold like a dead body. You might be thinking, "no problem, we'll install a small heater" but not so fast! It's really, really difficult to distribute temperature evenly. A real body is pretty much a marvel of nano-engineering, with microscopic capillaries to move blood around (and that also moves heat around) and even in a real body the extremities often get cold. We absolutely do not have the technology to duplicate the human circulatory system, and if you even tried, you'd be looking at a multi-million dollar sexbot.

Nobody who could afford one would actually need one.

So okay, you say, instead of generating heat and distributing it around the body, we'll just heat it externally. Like, it'll live in a heated closet and when you call for it, it comes out of the closet and the skin feels warm and real. That's a workable idea, you just have to be aware that it's a hack. You have to tell people, "if you want a sexbot, you can either buy the cold, dead, corpse version, or you can buy this extra heated closet thing for extra money, and if you buy that, it'll have a realistic body temp for around 30 minutes or so, then you have to put it back in the closet."

Do you see the point I'm getting at? Temperature seems like such a trivial feature and yet we can't solve it in a realistic way, and the workaround makes the bot very not-lifelike.

Every feature is going to be like that. You want it to move? Have you thought about the sounds it'll make as the motors and such inside it are whirring away? You want it to be self-lubricating like a real woman? Here again you have a problem that requires nano-scale capillaries that we don't have the tech to manufacture. You probably also want it to be self-cleaning, but the self-lubrication hardware will likely be damaged by whatever process you clean it with.

I could go on and on.

To be slightly less blackpilled though, there is one feature that I think they could add that would make a big difference - eye movements and eye tracking. If a doll's eyes would move and try to make eye contact with the user, that would greatly improve the experience. And I think that's doable, with existing tech.
 
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Ok, let me try to address the technical issues one by one:
body heat.
wire coils embedded under the skin. Pretty easy to do.
motors and such inside it are whirring away?
Pneumatics and hydraulics are viable options.
self-lubricating
1 - People do use lube during sex (can't confirm this but I think so)
2 - Lube spreads very easily (can confirm). Just having one small hole at the top, and another deeper inside is good enough.
self-cleaning
You could just flush it with soapy water and then water using the inbuilt lube dispensing systems and a valve.
eye movements
Ironically this is probably the hardest feature of all, if you want the bot to have proper vision.
The degrees of freedom of human eye movements as well as the the problems with stereo computer vision, this would be unfeasable right now i think.
This is the real problem.
If other companies refuse to make deals with your "misogyny promoting" sexbot company, and you can't obtain a reliable supply of technical components, and workers who don't want to be associated with your company, you're fucked.
 
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but this discussion is interesting. I'm not an engineer, and there are a few things I'm not going to be able to answer.
Current sex dolls are cold like a dead body. You might be thinking, "no problem, we'll install a small heater" but not so fast! It's really, really difficult to distribute temperature evenly. A real body is pretty much a marvel of nano-engineering, with microscopic capillaries to move blood around (and that also moves heat around) and even in a real body the extremities often get cold.
Lets look at the problem step by step. What are we trying to simulate? Body heat? Ok, where? On the skin surface and the orifices. Do we honestly need a circulatory system for this? Why not just a sponge layer, with the consistence of body fat, just below the skin surface that contains body temp water? Water holds heat for a long time, so all you have to do is put in that initial amount of water. Spot heating elements embedded within the bot heat certain areas to certain temps. Water will distribute this heat with in the sponge layer. Do we need veins to actually carry bodily fluids away to a central pump in our bots? No, because we don't really notice that when having sex (speaking of experience with prostitutes here).
Every feature is going to be like that. You want it to move? Have you thought about the sounds it'll make as the motors and such inside it are whirring away? You want it to be self-lubricating like a real woman? Here again you have a problem that requires nano-scale capillaries that we don't have the tech to manufacture. You probably also want it to be self-cleaning, but the self-lubrication hardware will likely be damaged by whatever process you clean it with.
Movement is very difficult, but once bipedal robotic movement is figured out, we should be closer to our goal. Artificial muscles actually exist now and while they are expensive, cost will come down with widespread use. Self-lubrication is a minor problem consider lube is very commonly used in sex, but some small pumps that release predetermined amounts of preheated lube could be designed. Micro facial movements are actually very difficult as well, but can be sidestepped using AR glasses that project the detailed movements over a sexbots face. So the bot herself would handle large facial movements, software and the human brain will do the rest.

We aren't going to be able to simulate every single minute detail, but that's okay as most men, especially those who would use sexbots, would notice. A complete sexbot designed to these levels would cost close to $100k, but that is less than the cost of betabuxxing in a world of no fault divorce. I'd rather buy a small house, a sexbot, and a car, than a large house, a wife (who is using me for resources), and a car.
 
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Do we honestly need a circulatory system for this?
Well, there's three ways to move heat around. From fastest/most efficient to slowest/least efficient they are, convection, conduction, and radiation. Convection only happens in a liquid that is allowed to "roll" - that is, to move freely. A circulatory system uses conduction (between tissues and blood) and then moves the blood to a new area to repeat the cycle. A solid body (like a sex doll's skin) uses traditional conduction which is much slower.

Why not just a sponge layer, with the consistence of body fat, just below the skin surface that contains body temp water?
You skipped a step there when you said "contains body temp water." The question is how you heat the water to body temp uniformly. Conceptually, you've got one or more heating elements in the robot. For the sake of argument, let's imagine we produce heat through electrical resistance with a unit mounted in the chest cavity.

As an aside, another commenter suggest running coils of wire throughout the body to produce heat. That would also be heat through electrical resistance ...so that guy was implying that just below the skin, over the entire body, we are running fairly large amounts of current. I didn't reply to that post, but I laughed at how dangerous that would be, to say nothing of the electromagnetic effects (the coils will produce a magnetic field). Super bad idea.

Water will distribute this heat with in the sponge layer.
That's it! That's the step I'm concerned about.

Our hypothetical design has a heating unit, surrounded by a fluid (water) held in place by a porous substrate (a sponge layer). The problem is, the water in this system will not form convection currents. Thus, the heat will only be distributed through conduction. I think you're going to find that's very slow.

You can test this system by heating water to a boil in a shallow pan, and placing a soaked sponge upright in the pan, like this: View: https://i.imgur.com/6HZodcr.png


Note that the rising steam around the sponge will be very hot, but that's irrelevant to what we're testing. The question is, how long does it take for the water in the top of the sponge (analogous to the surface of the skin of the robot) to heat up? How long would it take for the heat from our heater in our robot's chest to be perceptible at say, her elbow?

After leaving the sponge in the boiling water for a bit, take it out and lay it flat on the counter. The part that was in the boiling water (the end where my finger is) is very hot - a bit painful to touch, in fact. But the water in the other end of the sponge is still quite cool: View: https://i.imgur.com/bmeFX2S.png


In other words, the temperature gradient is rather large. We'd have to make the heater in her chest really hot (dangerously hot) in order to have body-temperature temperatures at her shoulder. And we'd have to make it hotter still so that it was dangerously hot at her shoulders in order to make her elbows warm. There's really no chance that we could make her fingers acceptably warm this way.

So, I really think you have to move the fluid around for this to work. Maybe, since the subcutaneous layer is spongy, you could move it around just by having her move around - squishing the water back and forth. I don't know.

The time tested way to solve this problem is with a circulatory system. Tiny hoses could move the fluid (and the heat) right down to her fingertips. That's technically possible and I'm convinced it's the most efficient proposal. I'm just saying that it's complicated and expensive.

Of course, my cell phone is also complicated, but it's no longer all that expensive. Capitalism and economies of scale have brought the price way down. Maybe there's a future where everything is automated and AI runs the world (think, the Culture series by Ian Banks) and humanity has essentially infinite productivity available to it, such that a sex robot as complex as a stealth bomber is feasible to produce and is given away to people for free.

I can dream, right? My only point is that under current economic conditions, most people's expectations (a sexbot that is indistinguishable for a human) is not going to happen.

Movement is very difficult, but once bipedal robotic movement is figured out, we should be closer to our goal.
Yes, I was thinking the problem was less the movement itself and more about how that movement is achieved - specifically, do we have a robot that can move, but doesn't have the shape of a woman; do we have a robot that can move, but makes loud noises or moves in unnatural ways (like jerky, or even super slow movements).

The chief requirement is that it be pleasing to the eye (and other senses). It has to be attractive. If we have actuators and motors that can duplicate human motion, but it doesn't fit into the body of an attractive female, then it's not a successful sex robot.

Artificial muscles actually exist now and while they are expensive, cost will come down with widespread use.
I wasn't familiar with that, but googling found this: View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER15KmrB8h8


And that looks very promising.

Micro facial movements are actually very difficult as well, but can be sidestepped using AR glasses that project the detailed movements over a sexbots face.
It occurs to me that, so long as you're not changing sex positions, VR (not AR) is probably the best thing you can get right now. Just lay on your back and, through VR, you see a girl on top of you, but in reality, it would be a machine that doesn't look like a girl at all.

Which brings me to the other problem that I brought up, here: https://incels.co/threads/ai-with-reasoning-capabilities.259097/#post-5943642

The way corporations ruin everything. The reason you aren't using VR to watch porn right now, is that the makers of VR hardware insist on tightly controlling the software. You have to have a facebook account to use occulus, for example. There are stories of people who had their facebook account banned because they said maybe orange man isn't so bad - and then they lost their ability to play any VR games.

Facebook doesn't want oculus to be associated with porn, so there's no easy way to get what I described above. I'm sure there will be in the future but that's not the point. The point is, even if you solve all the technical hurdles, corporations want to give you sex robots that collect data on you, push ads, force you to upgrade, etc.
 
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Our hypothetical design has a heating unit, surrounded by a fluid (water) held in place by a porous substrate (a sponge layer). The problem is, the water in this system will not form convection currents. Thus, the heat will only be distributed through conduction. I think you're going to find that's very slow.
Lets start with this. The sponge you mentioned is likely made up or rubber, polyester or cellulose. None of which are conclusive to rapid conductive heating. In fact both are major insulators. So replace the material in our sponge with something more conductive, like metal matrix sponges. Conduct the same experiment with steel or copper wool and feel the difference.

In a similar line of thought, additives could be added to the water that make it conduct heat better, similar to what antifreeze does. Alternatively, other fluids could be used instead, like certain oils with greater thermal conductivity and capacity. The difficult part is making all of this feel like the real deal, but conduction isn't as big of a deal breaker as you think.

In other words, the temperature gradient is rather large. We'd have to make the heater in her chest really hot (dangerously hot) in order to have body-temperature temperatures at her shoulder. And we'd have to make it hotter still so that it was dangerously hot at her shoulders in order to make her elbows warm. There's really no chance that we could make her fingers acceptably warm this way.
There is no reason we we need to use central internal heating. This is a robot afterall. We can create localized heater cores within the skeletal system with local circulatory systems. This allows minimal energy loss and ease of repair/replacement. So heated fluid in the forearm remains in the forearm, fluid in the feet remain in the feet.

Polymer battery technology encased within the skeletal framework powers the heating and micro-circulatory system of each region. Initial daily heating accomplished using an external heat source (heat lamp, heat blanket, etc) with heat being maintained by said micro-circulatory systems. Charging of batteries is accomplished via connections in the ear canal and insulated wires with in the body.


The chief requirement is that it be pleasing to the eye (and other senses). It has to be attractive. If we have actuators and motors that can duplicate human motion, but it doesn't fit into the body of an attractive female, then it's not a successful sex robot
Bipedal movement is complex. However humanoid bipedal motion is something that will need to be done if anthropomorphic machines are to exist. So this problem is being worked on by many groups. But bipedal walking isn't really needed for a sexbot. It would be nice, and would her to do other things but fuck, but not needed. She could lie in bed all day as dolls currently do. Or use a wheelchair.


It occurs to me that, so long as you're not changing sex positions, VR (not AR) is probably the best thing you can get right now. Just lay on your back and, through VR, you see a girl on top of you, but in reality, it would be a machine that doesn't look like a girl at all.
AR would only be used to animate small, often cognitively imperceptible movements in the face, where lots of micro-expressions happen. Hardware tech is currently not at the level to simulate all of these things. Likewise motion noise could be eliminated using soft background music or wearing earplugs/earbuds.
 
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Lets start with this. The sponge you mentioned is likely made up or rubber, polyester or cellulose. None of which are conclusive to rapid conductive heating. In fact both are major insulators. So replace the material in our sponge with something more conductive, like metal matrix sponges. Conduct the same experiment with steel or copper wool and feel the difference.

In a similar line of thought, additives could be added to the water that make it conduct heat better, similar to what antifreeze does. Alternatively, other fluids could be used instead, like certain oils with greater thermal conductivity and capacity. The difficult part is making all of this feel like the real deal, but conduction isn't as big of a deal breaker as you think.
@genma

Why are you so bothered about body temperature?

It should be fairly easy to solve using something like this:
View: https://youtu.be/A9tlDIhpMHo?t=112
 
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FEMALE ROBOTS CANT CONSENT.

MARCH FOR ROBOT FEMALE RIGHTS!
LGBTQR (R for robot).

BAN ALL FEMALE ROBOTS!

MEN DO NOT DESERVE TO BE HAPPY
It's weird how retarded rosties care more about the rights of robots than cows, pigs, and chickens who are living beings lining up to be slaughtered for their mcdonalds order.
 
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It's weird how retarded rosties care more about the rights of robots than cows, pigs, and chickens who are living beings lining up to be slaughtered for their mcdonalds order.
They don't really care. Anything that makes them obsolete or wil increase mens happiness is an automatic no.

Why do you think men cant fuck young women anymore? Old hags got jealous
 
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They don't really care. Anything that makes them obsolete or wil increase mens happiness is an automatic no.

Why do you think men cant fuck young women anymore? Old hags got jealous
Anything that increases men's smv and decreases foid's smv they want to make illegal, and use backwards rationalizations to justify it. They even kick off all the uncucked men from social media for daring to slut shame whores on their platforms, while letting them get away with saying "kill all men". Non cucked men need to fight back against these cucked laws fueled by rostie entitlement and retardation.
 
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This article is greatly exaggerated
 
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Ironically this is probably the hardest feature of all, if you want the bot to have proper vision.
The degrees of freedom of human eye movements as well as the the problems with stereo computer vision, this would be unfeasable right now i think.

Problem solved! I just IQ mogged you :feelsjuice:
 
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He cherry-picked good responses and put them together, making the AI seem more intelligent than it actually is. He's also seems to really be reading into "reasoning" that I don't think is actually there. The Guardian actually did something similar to this when they wrote an article about GPT-3 and claimed that it was actually written by GPT-3 (RT wrote an article on it). In reality, they had it write several articles based on the title and standfirst. They had it write a shit ton of content, then had a human editor pick points out of it and put it together in a way that made sense. The actual article ended up being several times smaller than what the AI wrote. AGI is still very far off.
 
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He cherry-picked good responses and put them together, making the AI seem more intelligent than it actually is. He's also seems to really be reading into "reasoning" that I don't think is actually there. The Guardian actually did something similar to this when they wrote an article about GPT-3 and claimed that it was actually written by GPT-3 (RT wrote an article on it). In reality, they had it write several articles based on the title and standfirst. They had it write a shit ton of content, then had a human editor pick points out of it and put it together in a way that made sense. The actual article ended up being several times smaller than what the AI wrote. AGI is still very far off.
The guardian article was a complete shitshow, I agree.
However this article seems to prompt the AI more correctly, and also mentions if they needed a retry to generate a correct response.
Also reasoning capability is something that once you have a little bit of, then you can build upon.
Perhaps instead of giving the entire problem to it as text, you could make smaller reasoning decisions based on parts of a problem, and use the responses to reason further and automatically discard incorrect reasoning using a duplicate of the same bot.
 
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Worth a try, but expect ZOG to shut you down if you do something that the gynocracy doesn't approve of.

At any rate, it seems to me that the real technical hurdles for a sexbot are the hardware. I mean, just to pick one problem (out of many) to use as an example, consider body heat. Current sex dolls are cold like a dead body. You might be thinking, "no problem, we'll install a small heater" but not so fast! It's really, really difficult to distribute temperature evenly. A real body is pretty much a marvel of nano-engineering, with microscopic capillaries to move blood around (and that also moves heat around) and even in a real body the extremities often get cold. We absolutely do not have the technology to duplicate the human circulatory system, and if you even tried, you'd be looking at a multi-million dollar sexbot.

Nobody who could afford one would actually need one.

So okay, you say, instead of generating heat and distributing it around the body, we'll just heat it externally. Like, it'll live in a heated closet and when you call for it, it comes out of the closet and the skin feels warm and real. That's a workable idea, you just have to be aware that it's a hack. You have to tell people, "if you want a sexbot, you can either buy the cold, dead, corpse version, or you can buy this extra heated closet thing for extra money, and if you buy that, it'll have a realistic body temp for around 30 minutes or so, then you have to put it back in the closet."

Do you see the point I'm getting at? Temperature seems like such a trivial feature and yet we can't solve it in a realistic way, and the workaround makes the bot very not-lifelike.

Every feature is going to be like that. You want it to move? Have you thought about the sounds it'll make as the motors and such inside it are whirring away? You want it to be self-lubricating like a real woman? Here again you have a problem that requires nano-scale capillaries that we don't have the tech to manufacture. You probably also want it to be self-cleaning, but the self-lubrication hardware will likely be damaged by whatever process you clean it with.

I could go on and on.

To be slightly less blackpilled though, there is one feature that I think they could add that would make a big difference - eye movements and eye tracking. If a doll's eyes would move and try to make eye contact with the user, that would greatly improve the experience. And I think that's doable, with existing tech.
Just move the heat around with body with liquid filled soft tubes.
Anything that increases men's smv and decreases foid's smv they want to make illegal, and use backwards rationalizations to justify it. They even kick off all the uncucked men from social media for daring to slut shame whores on their platforms, while letting them get away with saying "kill all men". Non cucked men need to fight back against these cucked laws fueled by rostie entitlement and retardation.
Call them luddites and send the neolib/neocon lynch mob after them.