[Blackpill] An intellectual reflection on inceldom Part 1.

Dalek.Skaro

Dalek.Skaro

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For the last months I have been reading and listening to several articles, jornalistic reports, podcasts, debates and interviews about the incel phenomenon in modern society, and even if the majority of them were highly against incels, I should point out that their argumentations were either wildly imprecise or relatively easy to deconstruct, but whenever there was an incel present they would not be any better at argumentations, which is somewhat understandable for even if one passes trought a very specific situation it does not mean they are some type of professional debater that will be able to defend the views that he has acquired trougth personal experience in a suficiently articulated and convincing argumentative speech. It is my hope that by sharing my reflections on this topic that I may strengthen the arguments of incels so that we can have a more productive participation on the societal debate about incels.



To begin this discussion we should observe that essentialy what inceldom is, is a symptom of the existence of sexual selection in the midst of human societal practices, I would say that to many people this is not so much of a problem to accept, and that would be true, but there is at least one group of people that this becomes somewhat of a taboo when they are beeing completely honest in the discussion, and those are the people that defend egalitarianism, sure what they usualy mean when they are defending egalitarian measures is that they don't agree with how in Captalism a person is arbitrarily born in either a rich family or a poor family and that the one born in a rich family has way more opportunities than someone born in a poor family, and how this makes many poor people work their entire lifes, many times not beeing able to leave poverty and reach the middle class while other people hardly work at all but have the privilege of beeing born into a rich family. On this note it is interesting to notice that what happened in every socialist country when they abolished Captalism and forcifully equalized the economy, instead of money being what people strived for, it became political power, for the political institutions would by then have become more stratified and with the most opportunities centralized around a political hierarchy of the state, and then again inequality emerged for those people with political power and those without, for people that were arbitrarily born into a more influent family and people that were born into a unrecognized family. Of couse, no coutry ever achieved this, but suposing one coutry were able to go trougth socialism without breaking, and were then able to implement comunism were there would be no state and therefore political power would then become equally distributed amongst the people what then would become the thing people would then strive for ? Well I am sure there could be many things but if I were to guess I would conjecture it would be sex, the differences in sexual hierarchies would be intensified creating caste systems where people that were arbitrarily born more attractive would be able to enjoy the status of a higher caste where they would have many opportunities and people that were born very unattractive would live lives as untouchables, members of the lowest caste were no opportunities would ever emerge. In this truly dystopian scenario, but nonetheless plausible for caste systems were very common in India and many other asiatic coutries, obviously there would never be any forced redistribution of sex, for it would be societal sanctioned rape which obviously is a crime ( even though every other forced redistribution of capital, and of political influence were also crimes, although one could argue that they were of different proportions) and therefore we would never really have any egalitarian utopia but only changes of through which medium inequality would arise.



All this talk about socialism and comunism has made me remember Slavoj Zizek’s article about incels (https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-moebius-strip-of-sexual-contracts/) and how he commits the hilarious mathematical error of saying things like "We would thus oppose the logic of universal human rights and the logic of social hierarchy as the two sides of a Moebius strip " when one of the most notorius characteristic of a moebius strip is that it only has one side, it gets even worse when after that he says "and focus on their point of intersection" (« Facepalm » ) what does he mean ??? the whole strip ??? And when you think it couldn't get any worse he begins to talk about turning and reversing shapes which only have one side, it's like some sort of mathematical torture, I know he is a specialist in Hegel and that makes him by consequence a specialist in meaninglessness and in utterly nonsensical things but this is too much. It is nothing more than the screaming example of double standards at play and nothing more, only then could he make a distinction of two things that are the same, that is, there can be no true equality if it doesn't encompass every significant thing in a person's life and that includes "politico-economic life and sex ". Although until here it may seem that I am advocating that there should be some type of enforcement of sexual partners, I would like to express how utterly appalling I think such thing is, and if you think that would be the only way to achieve equality of sexual relationships amongst everyone, then you are agreeing much more with the so called incel black pill than you are openly expressing. It is funny how the incel-normie situation resembles that of the lumpenproletariat - proletariat situation, much like how the proletarian class looks at the bourgeois class with envy, the proletarians at the same time despise and fear the lumpenproletarians for they may envy the proletarians, just like how the proletarians envy the bourgeois, and in doing so they may undermine the legitimacy of the proletarians in the class struggle and in this way prevent the Proletarian revolution.



This takes me to the question of "do incels belive they are entitled to sex ?" To which my answer would be : not any more than anyone else. I mean think for a minute, when an incel goes to declare himself to someone and ultimately gets rejected, the very rejection could only happen either because this person does not want to be in any relantionship ever, or because the person he declared himself to thinks they are entitled to someone better. Incels are not any more guilty, than they are victims of entitlement. And then one would say that there are no more reasons to belive that there should be any asymmetry between dating strategies of males and females, and that would perhaps be the case if humans layed eggs instead of adopting a gestational strategy in which the mother becomes vulnerable, which by itself, was a big problem since humans where nomadic for the greater part of our existence, and therefore there was evolutionary pressure to make females have higher standards whenever they would select their mates, to justify the risk they would have to pass through. Ok, so if this is something that has been this way since times immemorial why is inceldom a contemporary problem ? I would not say it is a contemporary problem, it is a problem which has been greatly amplified in comtemporary times in which everyone is having way fewer children because of the cost, and because it is only in contemporary times that we have seen the dismantlement of what feminists would call the patriarchy, and more conservative people would call the traditional family model and there is also the absolute abandonment of responsibility. Those things contribute first to women beeing more picky as a return to those more primordial instincts in these times in which it has become so expensive to have children, and along with the understanding that stability together with responsibility are in the decline, making women in general choose a much more select group of men, and beeing with any one of them by much less time. Creating a whole mass of women that have not been in many, if any, long therm relationships, a group of men that have relative easy acess to as many relationships as they desire and another group of men that have each time less and less chance of being in a relationship. Returning to the question of entitlement, if there is such a thing as a belief of entitlement to sex that is supported by a whole subsection of the population then we have to look for the origin of this belief, and although many people would go quite trigger happy to say that the source of this entitlement is this forum and others like it, I wouldn't be so sure of this, for a forum only reverberates opinions and narrative images that are already existent in society, this problem, if it exists at all, is much more profound than that, it has to do with the socialization process, and to better illustrate what I mean by saying that I will make reference to a personal experience, not because I think this will prove anything about how everyone behaves, for it is certainly statistically insignificant, nevertheless I belive this report will bring to light the superstructure of values and beliefs present in contemporary society that does much more to foster this entitlement than it does to sever it, that is to say that although statistically insignificant I belive my report not to be meaningfully insignificant.



When I was in High School I remember that in the first of a series of classes about sex education there were phrases profered such as "Since everyone in here will sooner or later have a sexual relationship ..." and "sex is a fundamental part of every healthy lifestyle" and many other like-minded sentences, since in my family I have an uncle that, differently from every other adult in my family, was not married and I remember the day that I, as a young boy, asked my mother why that was and she said that he was never able to date anyone and that he had given up on actively search for love, but she was sure that one day the right person would show up in his life. To me he was always an example of person living an alternative lifestyle, one that was as much valid as any other, for he was, and still is, one of the happiest people that I have ever know.



As I grew up I found out that he as a teenager studied in high school at morning and had began working part-time at evening, and once he had finished High school he began working full time in a factory and was living with my grandmother until he had saved enough money to buy his own house, but by his late twenties my grandfather died and he took the responsibility, as the oldest son, of economically helping my grandmother. Acording to my grandmother he never had had a girlfriend and she used to joke that because of that he had become grumpy. As time had passed he knew nothing but rejections in every declaration of love he had ever made, until he had enough of it and stopped caring about love all together. My uncle was what we would call today an incel. Today he is 78 years old and lives a simple retired life, he likes to buy old watches and repair them if so they need and then he sells them at slightly higher prices than for what he purchased, he goes on walks in parks and plays chess.



When I was having the first class in sex education and the teacher kept implying that sex was a inevitability, initially I thought about myself and how I have never had a girlfriend or even any type of close relationship with a girl and how I couldn't imagine my future self being any better than my then current self in this regard, and then I thought about my uncle and how his situation was the perfect counterexample of what that teacher had said, and then, having become somewhat troubled by what she was saying, I asked : "Teacher, you have been making several generalisations about how everyone will someday need to know all this information about sex, but what about those people that do not wish to have sex or what about the people that will never in fact be able to be in a sexual relationship ? Isn't this type of information useless to them ? I mean there are all kinds of important information about self preservation that we don't talk about, like airplanes or ships safety precautions or workplace safety procedures or even how to be careful about possible legal loopholes that might ruin someone's life, and yet we do not talk about these topics, probably because we do not think that they are applicable to everyone in here, so why is it that this classes are obligatory if there are people for which this information is useless and these classes are nothing more than lost time? and why is it that you have not mentioned abstinence as a prevention method ? " to which she answered : "It is important to learn about sex because even though presently you may not want to have sex, one day when you meet the right person this information will be useful, you may be doubting now about what I am talking but it is not as if we choose for whom we will fall for." this answer made me really unconfortable back then and reflecting about it made me realise that society as a whole is in large part to blame about people believing that they are entitled to sex, people feed hope of a better romantic future, many times in direct oposition to what every shred of evidence seems to indicate, to those who have difficulties with romance with talks like “ you don’t need to be worried about being rejected you just have to be yourself and one day someone who values you for what you are will appear.” and “you are a nice person you just need to wait until someone realises that.” and “ I’m sure that if you did X you would be much more in evidence and people would notice all the other great aspects about you” and “the right person for you is somewere out there you just have to find them” etc.



We drown people with all these hopes and promises and then we become infuriated if they ever complain about how they think life is unfair for not manifesting love to them as it does to the vast majority of other people, we say to they then “you are not entitled to sex” and “of course nobody will want you if you have that attitude” among other things, this is simply a image of how hypocrite and full of double standards society really is, in a first moment out of pity and some times as a form of doing away with a annoying situation, we offer this blind hope to those people in such a way as to make we not need to feel guilty with ourselves for our accomplishments and to not have to deal with any annoying and complicated thing as the romantic frustrations of another person, but in fact we don’t know if any of those promisses we made will ever be fulfilled and to begin with there is no way we can know about those things, and when all this hope we gave to those people backlashes we become offended or we laugh and ridicule that which we ourselves fostered.



That being said, I don’t tink there is anyone who actually thinks that they are entitled to sex in as much as there is people that recognise that intimacy is a type of fundamental human need and that people deserve to have such needs fulfilled. This understanding that intimacy is a fundamental human need can be very well observed in those people that go to psychologists and decide to talk about their romantic shortcomings, and the answer of the psychologist is never to say: “Get the hell out of my consultory! You are not entitled to sex or intimacy or romantic appreciation, if you have not yet understood this, I advise you to stop being a cry baby and deal with it !”. The problem about fundamental human needs and if these needs implicate rights is a difficult and important debate, especially for those that honestly hold a more egalitarian ethos, but it is not one that I will tackle in these reflections. To be completely fair then I will assume that someone that, trough the contrapositive of a belief arrive at another, that is to say, if someone believes that “I don’t deserve to live in solitude” it implies the belief that “I deserve companionship “, and since I consider that the original belief is as valid as the belief that “I don’t deserve anything “ that implies “I don’t deserve companionship “, leaves me to conclude that it is as fair to think that one does not deserve companionship as it is to think that one deserves.



Another story from when I was in High School is about one day in which we, the students, were handed a survey about our future aspirations and some of the questions were in multiple choice format, in particular one of those questions were “What is your most important objective in life ?”, amongst the answers were things like having a successful career, having a comfortable life with many travels trough the world, living a balanced life with no lack’s and no excess, and also there was a option that said “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, initially I had read this sentence with a certain disregard, perhaps because at that time I already had a notion, based on what I had witnessed by then, of how my future would be like, and It had made the very notion of “establishing a family” as not something one could ever strive for, that is to say, it wasn’t anything that one could ever direct any work or effort towards, people would just live their lives and dedicate themselves to their ambitions, and only if one such people had the luck of meeting with someone that not only they liked but that also liked them in return, would then one be able to “establish a family”, in a sense this were a random event that could or could not occur within one's person lifetime, it is not something that has a continuous progression and therefore it is not something that one could rush towards as a objective, because there isn’t even any direction to rush towards. In my mind only those emotionally needy people would choose that option, those people that don’t seem to be able to be alone for any amount of time, and that always seem to be dating someone, and that make periodic references to their significant other and how they wished they were together in that specific moment. These people seem to be afraid of being alone or of even loneliness itself, it is the type of people that would say that their biggest fear is to die alone, and in saying that forgets that in life the majority of people are born alone and die alone, and they kind of contemn the lives of those people that live their entire life in solitude. With my disregard towards people that would choose the alternative “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, I openly expressed my opinion about what I thought of that to my two best friends, it so happened that one of them had chosen that option in his survey, we then entered a discussion about how in my opinion that was a pathetic objective, and my friend rightly pointed out that what is important to each person is subjective which put me in a position where I had to concede that he had won the argument, and although in that moment I still didn’t think that objective to be worthy of being the most important to anyone, that for me was still the aspirations of cattle not of (mostly) rational human beings, but as time went on I began to see from new points of perspective this aspiration and began to not think so lowly of people who thought of constituting a family as their main objective in life and in fact at some point I began to accept that as valid as any other objective people might have in life, things like thinking about how according to several economists one of the main factors that move the economy is in fact the establishment of families, which generates many demands that in turn creates jobs to increase the supply and in this way equilibrates prices, other perspective that was quite enlightening was that of looking towards my own parents to which I am indebted for the rest of my life for having cared for me throughout my whole childhood and adolescence and how they sacrificed many things in favor of securing better opportunities in life to me and my siblings, than that which they themselves had, and they did that because their biggest objective in life is the well-being of their family, having benefited myself from such a life ambition how could I criticize others that may wish to follow the same objective ?



Obviously I can’t. And so I have come to terms with people who have their main ambition in life “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, but immediately we arrive at a problem, take this friend of mine as a example, my social life in High School was mainly interacting with people who had the same problems to fit in with the rest of the class as myself, and this friend of mine was not different in this sense, I have kept in contact with the majority of my friends of High School and with my two best friends, and even now many years after we graduated High School and University none of us has ever had any relationships, even my friend which his biggest dream is to marry and constitute a family wasn’t able to even have a girlfriend in all of this time, so, even though it is not my life, I still think we have to reflect about this cases in which a person begins to see the years and years go by and their humble, if I may say so, life's dream appearing to be every time farther and farther away of being realized, can someone really be angry at the thought of someone in this situation gets disenchanted with life, and sometimes by doing so, begins to resent people in general ? Since I am talking so much about High School let me make an analogy with one of my particular experiences in High School, do any of you know how it feels like when you like something let’s say an group sport like soccer or basketball for example, but every time people would make the teams you were always the last one to be selected ? Well I know very well how this feels because that last person to be selected was always me, I used to like to play volleyball with my family in a volleyball court that was close to home, I never was very athletic but I liked to play, but as I began to play volleyball, any sport really but I liked volleyball in particular, in PE class in Middle School and High School I was always the last one to be chosen for any team and during the game all my teammates always treated me as some type of dead weight that they had to carry, and it was by observing their behavior towards me that little by little I not only stopped liking volleyball, but it became the sport that I hated, and still hate, the most. The feeling of being treated as if you are incapable of any positive collaboration to the victory of the team, the sporadic occasions in which a member of your team noticed how sad you were at not being able to participate in the game and purposely let you touch the ball, only to make themselves feel better for what they were doing, as if that was some act of charity they were performing. It all got to my nerves at some point and all I could feel every time I played volleyball was how little my classmates thought of me.


One can make a parallel between my description of the games of volleyball on my School years to what happened to my friend that had as his main ambition in life “to marry, establish a family and have kids.” in his adult life, except that in life no one is obligated to accept you just because you have offered yourself, so were you to be the last to be selected, in fact you just wouldn’t be selected at all, and that is what happened to him ( it also happened to me ). And sometimes when his Parents or his work colleagues noticed how lonely he were they would try to arrange to him a date with some women, and when he ultimately didn’t succeed at making a girlfriend, they would go to him and criticize him for letting such a chance let go like that, as if they were doing some type of charity to him. Could you really get mad at him for resenting those people who always seemed to reject him and also those people that felt bad for seeing the contrast between their lives and that of my friend and “mercifully” decided to offer him some time of emotional charity by arranging a date with some single woman they knew, only to not have to witness the loneliness of others.



Another topic that I have been thinking about was about how we model our understanding of the existence of incels in society, and since I have been watching several lectures of Jordan Peterson, I have been interested in the Jungian idea that at the most primitive and/or fundamental level we human beings model the world trough the use of archetypes, it then stimulated me to think about which character would best represent the incel archetype ? Thinking about it quite meticulously it came to mind at least two stories that had major characters that we would today categorize as incels, those would be The Hunchback of Notre Dame’s Quasimodo and Cyrano de Bergerac’s Cyrano. Although Each of the stories have their own qualities and defects, through the semiotics of inceldom both characters are the representation of one societal occurrence, that is the utterly bankruptcy of Ethics at the predilection of Aesthetics, and as such I ultimately would have to choose Quasimodo as the better representative of the incel archetype, given the genius of Victor Hugo there is actually a passage in which Quasimodo leaves two vases in the window of Esmeralda’s room “One was a very beautiful and very brilliant but cracked crystal vase. It had allowed the water with which it had been filled to escape, and the flowers which it contained were withered. The other was an earthenware pot, coarse and common, but which had preserved all its water, and its flowers remained fresh and crimson. I know not whether it was done intentionally, but Esmeralda takes the withered flowers from the crystal vase and presses them passionately on her heart for the entirety of the day.”. This symbolism represents almost perfectly the incel conundrum, this behavior of Esmeralda is the behavior of the vast majority of females, and although we cannot say that every incel can be described as a person that is internally akin to vibrant flowers that remained fresh and crimson, even if we were to exclude those that are morally corrupt, which seem to be homogeneously distributed trough all social groups, there would still be those that have scarred hearts from their previous failures, although the vast majority of incels have been naive and hopeful at some time in their lives, this naivety progressively becomes a presupposition of malice and this hope becomes scorn, that is to say, can one honesty believe that a unkept flower in a uncracked earthenware pot would not shrivel, dry and die ? Given that it’s necessities were not being fulfilled in a very long time (perhaps even never) ?



The usual reading of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, from my experience, looks with disdain towards the indirect rejection he suffers from Esmeralda, some people look at that and categorize it as a simple sexist instance of “it’s tragic because he didn’t get the girl”, where the situation is not anywhere that straight up, to quote Jordan Peterson on rejection: “It is a real judgement, at best it would be like: while I don’t mind your physical presence, your genes should definitely not survive another generation”, and if that was all perhaps that would be okay, but that is not all that happens, Esmeralda chooses Phoebus instead of choosing Quasimodo or even not choosing anyone at all, she rejects Quasimodo despite all of his good intentions and chooses Phoebus regardless of his egotistical intent. Why does she do that ? This has already been answered in these reflections, it is because se makes an aesthetic judgement and not an ethical one, Quasimodo is judged for his ugly and deformed appearance, of which he had virtually no choice, and Phoebus is judged for his handsomeness, of which he had been gifted without having done anything to deserve such blessing. Other people see that as a pathetically obvious result: “what did he expect ? Esmeralda is way out of his league, he should just accept that and hope that he finds someone that is just as ugly and deformed as himself, if that is even possible, and why should I even care for such a story ? The vast majority of the population, including myself, is neither deformed or that ugly and never have passed or will pass though such a life.”, whilst ignoring it’s own connotation as wildly discriminatory and sickly eugenic, much like Plato in his Republic: “It follows from our former admissions that the best men must mate with the best women in as many cases as possible, while the opposite should hold of the worst men and women; and that the offspring of the former should be reared, but not that of the latter, if our flock is going to be an eminent one. And all this must occur without anyone knowing except the rulers ... So then, we will have to establish by law certain festivals and sacrifices at which we will bring together brides and bridegrooms, and our poets must compose suitable hymns for the marriages that take place. ... I imagine that some sophisticated lotteries will have to be created, then, so that the inferior man of that sort will blame chance rather than the rulers at each mating time. ... And presumably, the young men who are good at war or at other things must —among other prizes and awards — be given a greater opportunity to have sex with the women, in order that a pretext may also be created at the same time for having as many children as possible fathered by such men.”, this is said by Plato, one of the most influential philosophers of the western world, so it is not that strange that people with such eugenic thoughts still exist and many times do not even realize the dangerous similarities between these two views, to simply accept this imposed hierarchy is not any better than to be like sheep that cannot begin to fathom the intentions of the shepherd.



That leaves us to think why is it exactly that almost every decision one can make is subjectable to ethics, with the notorious exception of romantic/sexual judgments, it is at this intersection between a unscrupulous pursuit of one’s desire and a prudent restriction towards ethical conduct, that the intellectual dishonesty begins, because there are considerable interests at stake, therefore the very notion of ethics in the judgment of romantic partners is discarded and this rustic, amorphous, sometimes even mystical, and a priori unprincipled imagery of what is love is pushed forward as a means to justify partial/biased judgment and to crush dissent among those that are at the margin in this aspect of life. This imagery is propaganda, and just like any propaganda, it seeks to create a narrative that encourages complacency towards the present status quo and vilifies the desistance of pursuit of those success goals that have been dictated by the narrative. That is why there are people that having been exposed to the narrative that effort is not only necessary, but sufficient to achieve economical success, for example, these people that take contemporary society to be a complete meritocracy, can pass by a homeless person and not only they become incapable of being sympathetic towards the difficult situation that those in misery pass through every day, but take that as a just sentence, for if those people had been committed and hardworking they wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with, as they are it can only mean that they haven’t been those things, that they haven’t put enough effort to free themselves from poverty in which case they are only experiencing that which they deserve and one should only feel repugnance and aversion towards those people.



If anyone thinks that this is only exaggeration and a way to justify an inferiority complex, or as people in my country say a mutt complex, if you think so I suggest to you to make a thought experiment, imagine you had to cheer up Quasimodo that was sad because of his loneliness, could you honestly tell him things like “You just have to keep trying to find your soulmate, she is definitely out there.”, would you really think that was the case for someone that deformed ? And if you would say that what makes you think that this situation is any different from that which was jokingly pointed out by George Carlin in one of his jokes about prisons where he said something like “Everybody more or less agree that we need more prisons, some people even scream 'BUILD MORE PRISONS ! ... but not in here.' “. It is like those people that keep saying how people should be seeking love because they believe that society is full of bitter and resentful people , but then feel insulted if anyone they don’t fancy ever declare romantic feelings towards them. This characterizes a insidious cycle where society at large advocates for love as a fundamental element of having a successful life, and then there is a number of people that fail at that, and then society reaffirms love and then surprisingly enough more people seem to fail and then not only society reinforces this idea of love, they condemn those that fail at it, this is what is happening in Japan where an ever increasing number of men are not able to find female romantic partners, which then reflects negatively in the number of births which then begins to affect the economy of the country, another bizarre phenomenon that is happening there is that the number and popularity of female aimed brothels, or as they call it there Host clubs, that although also exist in the male oriented forms, they don’t reach the ridiculous proportion that the female oriented Host Clubs have achieved where there are literally huge billboards promoting the most popular “hosts”(gigolos) outdoors in clear day light , and then some people begin to complain that this situation is unique to Japan and that the situation on the vast majority of the world is different from that, and that may be true presently, but what they fail to see is that the demographics of present day Japan accurately represents the projections for the immediate future of all developed countries and that it already began to show in developing countries as well, so we would better learn what can be learned from Japan's situation because we will pass trough that soon enough.



Returning to how ethics has lost to aesthetics in the dating landscape, we may depart from a rational ethical analysis from what we experience in our failed attempts at dating, and the most recurring basis for rejection is not behavior or education or dedication, these things only achieve critical importance once two people have already begun dating, the thing that really works like a filter is attractiveness, which fundamentally means looks, knowing this we may begin this ethical analysis by asking what it means to exert judgment on other people mainly trough aesthetics, and that is, what makes anyone more aesthetically pleasing than another person ? Is it the actions that one chooses to take ? Is it the way one thinks about things ? Is it the behavior one upholds ? Is it the personality one has developed throughout his life ? Or is it one's physical appearance which was primarily defined by his genetics at the moment of birth, and secondly by the environment in which he grew up, both of which are random events in which one doesn’t have any influence over ?



Supposing one has honestly answered those previous questions can anyone say that the physical appearance is not a fundamental factor towards attractiveness ? If one still doesn’t agree then imagine yourself honestly telling that to Quasimodo, that is, if you were even capable of that. Still in this topic of attractiveness, a strange phenomenon that has been happening since about the 1990's when the percieved beauty standards for males changed radically. Generaly it is women that complain about the unattainability of such ideals, what is obviously a statistically and ethical valid complaint and one that I will take as a given, yet although unattainable they can hardly be said to be unfeminine, if for anything, the unattainability of such female standards arises from the exaggeration of the feminine to unrealistic levels, where as the contemporary beauty standard for males is almost entirely unmasculine in it's nature. The common feature shared by most male models of female oriented magazines is that, with the exception of their musculature and their jawbone that tend to be accentuated, they resemble some type of androgynous angel-like figure, having therefore more feminine traits in opposition to those biologically induced by characteristic masculine hormones like testosterone. In conclusion while women complaints of beauty standards are based in the fact that the cutoff region of what is considered attractive in the multivariate distribution of feminine aspects is so narrow that they become unrealistic, although the variables of the distribution are in principle still comparable throughout, if not all, the vast majority of women; Where as with men the problem lies in the fact that there is a break between men who have in their appearance those feminine dimensions capable of mustering an androgynous look, which has become attractive as of late, and those who doesn't have this dimension to them, and in this discrete, discontinuous classification we have men being forsaken not because they don't lie within some range on the scales of attractiveness, but because they are not even on many of those scales to begin with, that is, some times it is not only because someone is on the lower strata that they are rejected in favor of someone else, sometimes it is just because they aren't even comparable in the first place, and this is a big problem because, may people like it or not, there are way more people that look like Quasimodo than there are people that look like angels anyway.



One fascinating exemple of how ethics becomes mixed with aesthetics occurs when a feminist calls all men pigs (or at least some portion of men), is the identification of a men with the figure of a pig a ethical judgement or an aesthetical one ? It almost seems as if the problem was not the actions perpetuated by those men but their aesthetics, that those actions would be somewhat acceptable, were practiced by some Christian Grey of Fifty Shades of Grey instead of some random creep. Still talking about those feminists, there is much talk about how women should just wear whatever they want and that they shouldn't be demurred by any possible sexual aggressor, after all the guilt of any aggression is always of the aggressor (which is a correct assessment, of course), nevertheless it should be pointed out that this type of discourse has many times promoted debauchery and demoted prudency, and this is a problem because, although the guilt of the aggression is of the aggressor, we have to remember ourselves that sexual impulses are not triggered by rationality and logic (hah, we wish that were the case, imagine if things were so simple and reasonable as solving numerous logic problems from a set of "propositional calculi" « See what i did there ? » ), but by instinct, so that it only takes a person with bad judgement for a tragedy to happen, is it really okay to encourage women to make themselves preferential prey to those molesters ? One thing is to envision an idealized society, another one entirely is to advocate unprudent behaviour in the real world. In the extreme end of feminism we find organizations such as Femen wich proclaims to fight against the malice of the patriarchy, only to do so with malice of their own and to fight malice with malice can only increase the total amount of malice in the world.



So we have people judging other people mainly trough randomly assigned traits, considering, of course, that even those who can improve themselves into becoming more attractive have first to have the potential to become more attractive, and this potential is equally randomly assigned. We have then to ask ourselves if this is ethical, which it is not, for it is an arbitrary judgment, and knowing that we must ask ourselves what can be done to remedy this unjust behavior, obviously we could not force or coerce people to change this, for it would be equally not ethical, the only thing we can really do is to accept the way things are and to take our own judgment upon this unethical situation. One thing that I have seen recently that has made me a little irritated was this, rather vulgar, video by BuzzFeed (), the guy in the video is certainly not a very ethical person by what is portrayed of him thinking, but for a second forget what he thinks and what he does in his privacy, no one else in the real world would know that to begin with, what I think is the most irritating thing is the part where he buys a watch to gift to the coworker that he belives he is developing feelings for, even if it is in his own twisted way, and when he finally goes to give the gift to her, he freezes and is not able to say anything and she gets uncomfortable with that and walks away, at the next moment we see him in the HR being scolded for inappropriate behaviour, since when does trying to give a watch to someone constitutes inappropriate behaviour ? It is as Roger Scruton has once said (), as society is tending towards becoming less and less civilized, romantic relationships begin to stop requiring a previous period of courtship and become each time more dreadfully direct, or how Roger Scruton said “Nowadays, of course, sexual harassment just means sexual advances made by the unattractive, who are the majority, so you know, there is a huge injustice in this.”.



Going back to the topic of how incels are seen by society, we may spend days and days arguing about how every time there is, for a lack of a better word, a public exhibition of the subject there is always a permeating hypocrisy of some sort, either they think we are just “bad losers” in a way, that just because we aren’t able to date anyone we think it is alright to be whining about how we couldn’t achieve that which we wished, and how this is only because the world is unjust and so on, when in fact the majority of them revert right back to this state whenever their established relationships crumble, and in this moment they don’t think that in fact they are just whining and that they should just “buckle up, kiddo”, or when people are so reductionist to the point that they say we incels are just frustrated because we can’t get laid and begin talking about how this is some justification for why prostitution should be legalized, when in fact just because something is illegal it doesn’t mean it is impossible to find, prostitution, much like illegal drugs, is not that difficult to find if you are actually looking for it, these people forget about the deepest existential question that is in fact what really desolate the incels, these people just say this because they have had the privilege of having had their emotional needs fulfilled and reassured by this they have taken the liberty of dissociating one thing with the other, and having had their emotional needs fulfilled they begin to only think about sex and their sexual desires instead of the more basic, humane, problem. In the last case people just assume that if someone is rejected by everyone they have ever approached, then that means they are some type of freaks that should just lay down and rot, after all the word of the people have been ushered, and the word of the people is law. But jokes aside, I wish to talk about one opinionated person in particular, Natalie Wynn the transexual woman of the YouTube channel ContraPoints, in her video about incels () to which many people took to be a pondered, even perhaps conciliatory, stand on the question of inceldom, yet, although better than the majority of the expositions of the topic she still makes fundamental mistakes about incels, in particular in the part about how the black pill is just catastrophizing, or how she exposed it as being defined by psychotherapists as “A cognitive distortion where anxiety or depression leads you to infer apocalyptic conclusions from mundane setbacks and anxieties.”, every incel reading this might instantly see where the problem in that is, it only gets worse when she gives the first example of such a situation, she says to consider a person that is late for work and that from that they get to the conclusion that they and their hole family are going to die because of that, later on she tries to show how the black pill is just another scenario of catastrophizing, except that it isn’t as simple, consider first her first example, sure one person who once got late may not get fired because of that, but what about someone that is always late ? In fact forget the whole scenario where this person is employed in the first place, this scenario is already too reassuring to begin with, consider instead someone that is unemployed and has always been and the reason that that is so is amongst other things that they seem to always get late to their work interviews, let’s say that happens because they live in a city that has a serious problem of traffic congestion, since this person has not been able to get a job until now it would not be strange if they accepted that their chances of being able to get a job are low, and if they aren’t able to get a job soon they and their family are soon enough starve to death, of course this put in this way has a simple solution, just wake up early!, but let’s talk about something more real, in Brazil there has been a economic crisis that has subsisted over the last five or so years, and that has generated a somewhat new class of labor force categorization, roughly speaking there are the employed, the unemployed and the dismayed (in portuguese “desalentados”) that have given up on looking for a job and that according to the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics) has estimated to be around 4.8 millions of Brazilians in the last year (2018) estimates. Which only demonstrates how giving up at situations of an overwhelming number of rejections is not some type of silly catastrophizing, it is something more close to a natural reaction towards this ubiquitous presence of rejection, but let’s go back to Natalie's description of the black pill, she begins with saying that experiences of rejection and isolation, where she doesn’t quantify this, making it seem as if it is just some experiences of rejection and isolation and not the only thing one has experienced, then she says one might infer that one’s unattractive to women, what may seem a plausible inference from someone that has had some experiences of rejection but is quite certain for someone who only has experienced this, then she goes on to say that from this one may conclude that they will be attractive to any woman, which again is a very big jump for someone who has had some experiences of rejection, but it is not that big of a inference jump for someone who was only experienced rejection, she then goes on to say things that are not inferences but deductions from the last inference in points 4-You will be forever alone; 5-You will always be Unhappy; and 6-Women did this to you. And then she goes on to talk about some points that can try to explain why would things be in such a way as to allow someone to come at those previous conclusions, that is points 7-feminism empowered women to do this to you; 8-The social trends that made this possible are only getting worse; And then there is that last conclusion that I will take the liberty of rewriting as 9-Humanity itself, as understood to be the association of every human being as equally “human” and therefore equally deserving of existence, nutrition, education, housing, friendships and love; is therefore Doomed. Having reach this conclusion is it really that strange if someone were to begin to think that the only thing that one can do in this overwhelming scenario where one is faced with nothing more than the perception and understanding of impotence towards the status quo of things ? That figuratively, in this scenario of powerlessness, the only thing one can do is to lie down and rot ? She then goes on to make rampant generalizations about how incels could stop being incels, or how she puts it “Mom the shit out of them.”, if they just socialized more, made some friends, ..., and many more standard discriminatory assumptions that people in general make and that they think they have the solution to. But to be frank I don’t dislike completely her video, compared to what other people have said she is almost comprehensive in this video, and if it were not for her latest video on Beauty (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mspMJTNEY) I would probably not being criticizing her now, but in this video she simply tries to justify why when she makes a plastic surgery it is alright, but when it is an incel that does one it is not because of the pressures of society, it is purely because they want to have sex with women and that they think that by doing that they will have their lives become meaningful, not because perhaps they would wish some amount of love in their dispassionate lives, but then again there is that one frase Natalie said in her penultimate video, what was it again ? .... oh, right it was that it’s “just a privileged person with a platform punching down at a politically besieged group he understands nothing about.” (here it has to be noted that her video on Incels is her most seen video.), after all if you can point out to people that never had a relationship how meaningless it all is and how it wouldn’t bring any meaning into your life anyway, is it alright for her then if we just faced every couple head on and said that their affection towards one another is really just a delusion that their relationship will foster them with any meaning in their shallow meaningless lives, just like a proper cynic would do ? I suspect not !


Another problem with Natalie exposition is that a part of the reason that she went through plastic surgery was because she wanted to be more beautiful and attractive, and how she wanted to look more like a woman, but that doesn’t seem to be ethically acceptable, if we were to consider a person who doesn’t like their ethnicity and would wish to make themselves look more like a ethnicity they liked more, would it be ethical to allow this person to pass trough treatments for skin whitening and facial reconstruction just to look more like a given ethnicity, would it not only be the expression of a societal racism that was then internalized by this person, and shouldn’t they be stopped and made understand that ethnicity is simply not something that should characterize anyone as this or that, and that they can in fact be whatever they want without having to reshape themselves to serve the perception of other people ? In this case shouldn’t Natalie just keep herself the way she was because of the same reasons ? What is it that really matters how one sees one’s self or how others see them or how one changes the way they see themselves based on how other people see them? These are difficult questions, but they are questions that demand answers as soon as possible because they are of fundamental importance to guarantee that everything is coherent. You see there was this very famous British mathematician called G.H. Hardy that, tell the stories, hated to look at his own face in the mirror and every time he would travel, he would ask for the hotel to cover all mirrors in his quarters with towels so that he wouldn’t have to keep staring at his own face. Some people today would certainly say that the cause for that is a psychological disorder and that he should go to a psychologist and solve that



Having faced several rejections, the majority of which didn’t provide any constructive criticism, although there were several instances of conveyed disgust, one still has to hear criticism of this sort: “Your belief that you will never find anyone who would love you is absurd, you cannot give up, you just have to keep trying even if it takes a hundred or a thousand tries, once you find someone who accepts you that will be all that will matter and all those rejections will be meaningless.”. Although it is sad to burst the bubble of such a Happy go lucky though, we have to face the facts nevertheless, and the fact is that the more rejections one has the lowest are his chances of actually being accepted by someone, it is just basic probability theory, considering that for any given person the number of attempts to get a girlfriend is too low to estimate the exact probability of him being accepted at any given occasion, we have to use the best expectation of such a result that we can make with the limited number of trials such a person has experienced, and the way to do that is with Bayesian probabilities, that is by the use of Bayes’ Law to update the initial expectations. To better illustrate this I will present an example, let us say that a young and naive boy would like to find the probability of him being accepted or rejected by a girl when he confesses, because he is very naive his first expectation is that there is as much chance of him being accepted as there is of him being rejected as he thinks to himself: “I don’t think there is any particular reason for me being rejected as also there isn’t any for me being accepted.”, and then he experiences his first rejection and says to himself: “Well, although that was sad, according to my expectation that was as probable as any other outcome”. As time goes on he finds that all five of his confessions ended in rejections and thinks to himself that the chances of that would be about 3.1% with the assumptions he had made, it can be that he was just unlucky, but he decides to make use of Bayes’ Law to update his expectation values of acceptance and rejection, since those trials can only result in discrete combinations of yes or no answers and because the number of possible candidates is so large that we can make the small approximation that there is reposition, which implies the need of the use of a binomial distribution to represent the chances of being accepted in a given number of trials, which when put into Bayes' Law, with the use of the Product Law of probabilities, can then be easily shown to be proportional to the initial guess of distribution of the acceptance (or conversely of the rejection) times a beta distribution with a normalization factor, I took the liberty of plotting the graphs for a given initial distribution of the acceptance probability and its evolution as one keeps getting rejected, in blue we have the probability density of the acceptance probability and in green we have the cumulative of such a probability density:




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As one can see there is a clear tendency of the distribution to the right, that means that with every rejection the expected probability of a acceptance gets smaller and smaller, parting from a very conservative initial expectation distribution for the probability of an acceptance with a mean on 50% chance, we get that 15 consecutive rejections, and no acceptance since the beginning, later we have a 70% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 10%; and 20% of chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 2%.

Should one get 20 consecutive rejections with no acceptance since the beginning, we get that there is a 70% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 7%; with a 20% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 1%. It can be shown that this distribution uniformly converges to a class of distributions so called (Bounded) Pareto Distributions, which are sometimes mistakenly said to have the 80% to 20% rule, but this is only the case for exactly one Pareto Distribution and need not be the one we are getting.



I had a friend that once told me he had 34 consecutive rejections since he had begun trying to get a girlfriend, so only for curiosity I made the calculations and there is a 90% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 7%; and a 20% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 0.7% that is to say that there is a 1/5 chance that on average* only 1 girl out of the next 142 girls he decides to declare to will accept., (*) considering as if the 0.7% were a larger concentration of probabilities, which is not the case, for it is in the 0% that there are bigger concentrations of probabilities. That may not seem soooo bad but we have to consider that we begun with a very naive and unrealistic guess at what the distribution of the acceptance probability would be like, had we begun with a homogeneous distribution or a distribution that was more centered at rejection we would have gotten way worse results. One funny paper that should not be taken as serious because the writer is too picky and his calculations are imprecise and uses outdated data is the paper entitled "Why I will never have a girlfriend" by Tristan Miller wich can be found at his web site at https://logological.org/girlfriend. So if we can take anything from the last exposition is that it doesn't matter if my probabilities are precisely correct what really matters is that if one person were to be completely rational about it's prospects of finding a girlfriend the weight of all the rejections he had ever witnessed are in fact evidences that his chances are not any good, and that with every rejection his percieved chances of success can only get worse.
 
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An intellectual reflection on inceldom Part 2.

Having come to this conclusion that past experiences suggest that any next attempt will probably not be successful and that by each rejection the percieved possibility of success will also diminish one begins to pounder when enough is enough, that is, at which point should one just give up. This matter brings to my mind a interesting topic, you see I live in Brazil, and from 1964 to 1985 Brazil was a Military dictatorship and when we study about this period in school the main thing we talk about is about the way in wich the regime implemented torture as a method of interrogation on vast scales and one of the most popular methods of torture was the Pau de Arara ( macaw's perch ) in wich a person was tied upside down by their knees and wrists, the main purpose of this technique is to put a person in a state of continuous discomfort and agony although more bland at any given moment than more traditional torture techniques, of couse there were occasions in which the Pau de Arara was used in combination with other torture techniques that were more intense in comparison, but even in cases were it was the sole method of torture there are accounts of completely innocent people alleging being part of terrorist organizations that had the intent of replacing the military dictatorship with another form of dictatorship, the dictatorship of the proletariat, those were the armed socialist/communist guerrilla groups in the euphemistically called "armed struggle" (Luta armada), and in fact there was not only that but there are also reports of completely innocent, not involved, people alleging that not only themselves were a part of such terrorist groups, but also that other family members, equally as innocent and not involved, were also a part of such groups, that is to say, not only there were people so affected by the Pau de Arara torture technique that they were accepting authorship of crimes that they didn't commit but they were also selling family members and close ones with the only purpose of getting rid of the torture through a quick execution. It is perplexing what people are capable of in situations were they are continually subjected to suffering for long periods of time. One may think that this type of torture is considerably mild in relation to the other torture techniques, one might even think that if it were they in that situation they would never do such a thing as those people did, and that perhaps would be true if they were subjected to only a couple of hours or so, but what about days ? or weeks ? or even months ? would they be so sure that they wouldn't be hoping for one thing, and one thing only, for it all to end ?



Now I wish to talk about something that has made me feel really discomforted, this is how some people have taken the notions of female rights and have tried to imply that those are really universal, so much so that people have begun to cal them the Human Rights of sexual and reproductive health and rights (what is this ? Is it edible ?), and how this has nothing to do with strictly women's rights. They usually include things like how it is the right of all to make decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination , coercion and violence, which seems to be really redundant because people already have the right not to be coerced which is already a generally well accepted right, so much that it is part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, after this it is basically women's rights, which by themselves is nothing bad, women do need certain rights associated with their reproductive capabilities and no one on their right minds would deny that, what is problematic is this false narrative that reproductive rights can be something that can be universalized to women and men. Some declarations become painfully hypocritical such as declaration number 7 of the WAS Declaration of Sexual Rights: “The right to the highest attainable standard of health, including sexual health; with the possibility of pleasurable, satisfying, and safe sexual experiences.” and another problematic one is number 12 that says “The right to decide whether to have children, the number and spacing of children, and to have the information and the means to do so.”. So here we enter a bizarre territory because in the modern world if a man wishes to have a child he will have to begin a relationship with a woman and at some point they may decide together to have children and it is all well and good, now if a woman wants to simply have a child she may go to one of those sperm banks, the thought of which would make Heinrich Himmler open a smile from ear to ear, there they can select the sperm from a selection of donors all categorized by their height, weight, hair color, hair type, eye color, skin color, ascendency, nose type, IQ, ..., and so on. So where a man needs to basically constitute a family if they wish to have children, a woman may just go to a sperm bank and carefully select, with all the spirit of a Nazi, how half of their children genetics will be like, and no one seem to problematize this. Can there really be said that men have the same reproductive rights as women ? If a man wished to have something analog to what the sperm banks are to women, would they have the right to assume full juridical responsibility over the child that was created ? Should he ? Should anyone ?



Another interesting situation worth talking about, mainly because of the imagery involved, takes place in the animal world, some time ago I was watching one of those wild life documentaries, the sort that are broadcast in the animal planet or in the BBC, and they were narrating the courtship behaviours of some small primate, the name of which I unfortunately can't seem to remember,it just so happens that courtship in that species occurs in a very specific time of the year and involves the unpaired male monkeys climbing a tree and from the height of the tree they display themselves to any interested female that might appear, once a female selects her mate, through visual selection, she climbs the tree and goes to the same branch to encounter her selected male before any other female decides to do the same, after they both are paired they leave the tree. The interesting thing is that even though there were roughly the same number of males and females, there were still some number of males standing on branches at dusk and according to the narrator there are always males that are left unpaired because the remaining females, faced with the leftover choices, find it better to wait to the next year or so when new males reach maturity to then choose a mate, and the leftover males find themselves also having to wait for another year to be selected. As the narrator was exposing those habits of this monkey species the camera had focused on one of the leftover monkeys, and althought I may be biased to think this way and probably be anthropomorphizing the monkey, I must say that he stood there on the branch facing forward for a time and then after some time he begun to look to the sides and I could swear that I saw on his face a look of despair from the realization that he would not be choosen on that day, that he had been judged unfit for reproduction, and that all his hopes and/or instincts where just crumbling to pieces right in front of him and he then got very agitated at having to face those prospects. Having had this imagery exposed to me i begun to think, well since that monkey had already been judged unfit once it probably will not be any more easy in the next year were he will have to compete with younger monkeys, in fact it will probably be more difficult, and probabilistic there is no reason to think that he will ever be able to be choosen especially given that monkeys in the wild are expected to have at most 15-20 years. At risk of anthropomorphizing the monkey again, would it really be that weird if one of those rejected monkeys simply decided to not wanting to have to bear the anxiety and humiliation involved in those mating rituals and instead to go do any other thing that proves to be more useful to him ? If this seems to be too anthropomorphic then we can simply go directly to the main question, what then about humans ? Should a human see himself in the same situation of that monkey, which we as incels can better appreciate for we are in a sense that monkey, would he be wrong to simply give up on that ? To weave a parallel with the end of the last paragraph, should we be obliged to keep ourselves within this torturous cycle of rejections ? Or will we be seen as Pathetic Weasels ? And if that is so where lies the guilt in the monkey, and where lies the guilt in us ?



One of the most meaningfull philosopher to any given incel would probably be Arthur Schopenhauer, he would be the closest amongst the great philosophers to an philosopher who would understand inceldom, with one very important remark: he was a hypocrite, even though he could somewhat contemplate that wich we are facing, and that he had come to the conclusion that asceticism was that wich all had to adopt if so they desired to free themselves from suffering, he never had the will to actually hold any practice of asceticism. But since even a broken clock is right at least two times a day, we have to consider his arguments and reflections and judge them by their values not by his actions. This weird inversion of thought is particularly interesting, for those that seem to be afflicted by the shortcomings that are through us manifested in the world, or as he says: "This great intensity of willing is in and by itself and directly a constant source of suffering, firstly because all willing as such springs from want, and hence from suffering. Secondly because, through the causal connexion of things, most desires must remain unfulfilled, and the will is much more often crossed than satisfied. Consequently, much intense willing always entails much intense suffering. For all suffering is simply nothing but unfulfilled and thwarted willing, and even the pain of the body, when this is injured or destroyed, is as such possible only by the fact that the body is nothing but the will itself become object. Nor for [this] reason much intense suffering is inseparable from much intense willing.", the rise of asceticism as in: "By the expression asceticism, which I have already used so often, I understand in the narrower sense this deliberate breaking of the will by refusing the agreeable and looking for the disagreeable, the voluntarily chosen way of life of penance and self-chastisement for the constant mortification of the will. " and the understanding of that as a way to free ourselves from this very interaction of us with the world that brings us so much suffering as in his summary: "Therefore, destined originally to serve the will for the achievement of its aims, knowledge [what I have called consciousness] remains almost throughout entirely subordinate to its service; this is the case with all animals and almost all men. However, we shall see in the third book how, in the case of individual persons, knowledge can withdraw from this subjection, throw off its yoke, and , free from all the aims of the will, exist purely for itself, simply as a clear mirror of the world; and this is the source of art. Finally, in the fourth book we shall see how, if this kind of knowledge reacts on the will, it can bring about the will's self-elimination, in other words, resignation. This is the ultimate goal, and indeed the innermost nature of all virtue and holiness, and is salvation from the world. ".



Such a stance is really commendable, for consider all those ignorant people, like those in this episode of Real Time with Bill Maher: () especially at the 2:40 minute mark, that think that the problem of incels is that we are not able to have sex through the development of a relationship with a girl and that all our problems would be solved if we just hired a prostitute or/and just contended ourselves that this is the only way in which we would ever be close to that which is, I belive, what the majority of us desires, that is, a fully fledged romantic relationship. Imagine what it would be like to simply dismiss such a notion with only such an assertion as that of Marcus Aurelius: "as for sexual intercourse, it is only the friction of a piece of gut and, following a sort of convulsion, the expulsion of some mucus." or the impetus of Saint Thomas Aquinas when he allegedly drove away, by wielding a fire iron, a prostitute that his brothers had hired to seduce him and take his chastity away, making him no longer elegible to be a catholic priest. A unrelated topic that I have just remembered is that in the last years there has been an increase in the acceptance of the idea that human beings are not monogamous by nature and the practices of polyamory, open relationships and casual relationships are on the rise (as can be seen in especially at 9:14 and at ) and the very notion of social enforcement of monogamy (as in the Custodian of the Patriarchy article https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html and it's subsequent discussions), we as incels can appreciate that to even be able to reach a romantic relationship with someone can be one of the hardest things in life and that if and when any of us should be gratified with such privilege that it should be treated with the utmost care and reverence, for it is to us a very rare situation and one we may hardly imagine occurring a second time, and then there are those privileged ones to wich relationships come and go all the time and as a means of justifying their own greed, lust and degenerate behaviours; It is the apex of a self-centered, self-serving attitude that only cares for one's own gratification and avoidance of any responsibility.



In Mathematics and Economics there is a game theory problem know as the stable marriage problem in which there is an equal number of men and women, each with their own preference list of members of the opposite sex, all of which are monogamous and share the notion that a relationship with any given person is better than no relationship at all, we then pose the question if there are any configurations of marriages in which every marriage is stable, stable in the sense that even if in any given marriage, one, or even both of the members of the couple finds that they would be better off married with another given person, they are unable to change their partner because the other person is already with someone they would rather be to begin with. This problem was solved by Lloyd Shapley and David Gale in 1962, not only solving the existence problem but also coming up with an algorithm, the Gale–Shapley algorithm, to arrive at one such stable configuration which granted Shapley with the 2012 Nobel Prize in Economics (Gale had already died in 2008). It is important to know that the fundamental mechanism that ensures stability is monogamy, should that be removed then no stable arrangement exists at any given time, so that if we were to consider the time evolution of such system it would be chaotic, being better described by attractors and repellors in dynamical systems, and this is chaos, and it does not need to be a randomly almost homogeneous distribution, if anything we can be sure that there will be people with a very dense amount of partners and some with a vacuous amount. Humans tend not to react well with chaos especially if they are always on the losing end.



We then get to the subject of terrorism and mass shootings, before anything I would like to express my total disapproval of violence, nothing can ever justify the use of violence against another person, no discrimination, no offense, not even another act of violence may ever make that wich is absolutely wrong anything other than absolutely wrong, and all shooters and killers are (to use a portuguese expression) the scoria of society (a escória da sociedade), they are the lowest anyone can ever go and the worst of all of us humans. Taking from the great brazilian philosopher Márcia Tiburi , sarcasm intended, who developed the exquisite idea of the existence of a "logic of theft" (in portuguese: , translated transcript: Márcia Tiburi: "but people, ... heh ... It is also complicated to say I'm in favor or I'm against, if I say I am in favor, for example, let's say I am in favor of theft. " interviewer: "Are you in favor of theft ? " Márcia Tiburi: "[why] not ? I think like so: there is a logic of theft ... a logic in theft, there is something I need, I was contaminated by capitalism or so ... or I ... [you] should begin to think from the point of view of the inversion ... " interviewer scornfully points out: "I'm already begun ... so ..." Márcia Tiburi: "So ... then ... I will not talk in terms of what I am in favor, because ... There are many things that are so absurd that if you were to look at the internal logic of the process you would say: ... You know, this would be fair inside such an unfair context. [...]" ) , we may ourselves try to trace the "logic of incel terrorists" (ugh, what an abject subject), to do so we go back to the 18 century when Goethe Published The Sorrows of Young Werther that told the history of a desolate young man that had to face large amounts of discontentment towards love, because of a particular unfulfilled love experience that little by little becomes the superlative origin of his suffering and at the end of the book he kills himself, the history of young Werther contained in Goethe's book was the trigger to a wave of mass suicide amongst young men in Europe that identified with the history of young Goethe, from there we go through the philosophical movement of existencialism, arriving finally at Jean-Paul Sartre when in his play No Exit where he ushered the iconic phrase "Hell is other people", from this point onwards that which had majorly been internalised in the self begun to be externalised to the other, the idea that if one were to be by himself he would be emotionally fine, it is only because of the existence of the other that at times entice and at others disdainfully signalizes the incompleteness of the self. So when an frustrated person begins to fixate themselves into the reason of their frustration, much like the young Werther, they can sometimes find themselves in feedback loops of frustration and as the day closes they see themselves pretending to have lived at day time and then going to sleep at night, this can get to the point that to them there exists one purpose in life and one purpose only, that is to quench the source of their frustration, and when this prospect appears to manifest itself as impossible they get to the point of questioning the very life they live or that they will ever live, that is, are they alive or are they just living dead, and if so they might as well be dead, this is the suicidal resolution, many may simply stop at this point and simply take their own lives, and many do, but some may take it to another conclusion, if death is the only solution to this predicament that I have been afflicted with, why not to take out part of this system that has brought so much suffering to me before I go ? And so is born the terrorists and mass shooters, for in their mind they have nothing to lose since they have become so obsessed with the object of their frustration that everything else becomes meaningless.



Still on this topic of psychiatric and/or psychological problems, one can point out that incels may get psychologically worse if they are consulted by a particular type of Psychologist, those are the ones adherents to the practice of Freudian psychology, this pseudoscience that finds it's ultimate expression on Freudian psychoanalysis is particularly damaging in it's one-dimensional evaluation of people's behaviour, depending only and making everything be about their sexual frustrations or achievements, this type of obsessive focus on one given point of one's life may, through their suggestions, bring into existence problems which weren't there in the beginning; As Nietzsche has once said "[...] when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.", also since I entered this topic I might as well point out why did I call Freudian psychology a pseudoscience to begin with, firstly it is because of the recurrent use of ad hoc hypotheses what was once pointed out by Nobel Prize winning physicist Richard Feynman in his Messenger Lectures on "The Character of Physical Law", more specifically at his last lecture entitled "Seeking New Laws" in which he says: "[...] A hates his mother, the reason is, of course, because she didn't caress him or love him enough when he was a child. Actually, if you investigate, you find out that as a matter of fact, she did love him very much. And every thing was all right. Well, then, it's because she was overindulgent when he was young. So by having a vague theory, it's possible to get either result. Now wait, the cure for this one is the following. It would be possible to say if it were possible to state ahead of time how much love is not enough, and how much love is overindulgent exactly, then there would be a perfectly legitimate theory, against which you could make tests. It is usually said when this is pointed out, that how much love and so on, oh, you're dealing with psychological matters, and things can't be defined so precisely. Yes, but then you can't claim to know anything about it.", the second reason is because it puts too much importance on the sexual aspects of life, and altough this may be useful in many ways to those self-serving bastards, to the majority of the population this becomes dubious at best and to the vast majority of the celibate clergy just plainly wrong.



Adjoining to the last topic we may consider the way the media has been portraying incels as unstable and psychotic, using the examples of the 2014 Isla Vista killings and the Toronto van attack, as way to justify the argument that all incels are a threat and that these unsocialized, squarish, virgins that no one ever had any sympathy for to begin with, and that they all should just be fired from their jobs or even incarcerated by preventive detention. Not only that but now every massacre that happens gets blamed on incels before any information is even available about the perpetrators, as I said before I live in Brazil and throughout the time it tookme to write this text a massacre has happened in Brazil in a State school in the city of Suzano in the State of São Paulo, the massacre became know as the Suzano school shooting and before anyone could know anything about the perpetrators the Vice Media site www.vice.com posted an article (in portuguese: https://www.vice.com/pt_br/article/...-homini-sanctus-marcello-valle-silveira-mello) connecting that massacre with incels and the 2014 Isla Vista killings, and the Toronto van attack, it is not know if this was done out of ignorance or bad faith, considering that the police has not at any moment until now stated any relation between the shooters intentions and any amorous frustration on the part of the shooters, which has become the somewhat caracteristic reason for the so called incel killers, the only thing that has been alluded is the possible access of both killers to a channel called Dogolachan which is a generic dark web channel where all type of degenerates gather (although by this site standards, we also leave a lot to be desired in the sense of civilized discussions), but any way the people there are not necessarily incels, so much that the great societal debate has been focused mainly around bullying and the influence of violent video games. So we may from this case and from many others like this, infer that there is an agenda to vilify incels, and that this is pushed mainly by progressive leftist media, and in a sense this is really what we would expect, the left is famously know to advocate for the increase of state intervention on the economical life of people and to use policies of sexual liberation as a bargaining chip, obviously we have nothing to gain from those, we are the dots outside of the curve to them, we are the contradictory in their almost hippie ideal of free love, we are the rejected ones, the ones that should not exist, and yet, here we are; It is only to be expected that they would like to crush our dignity, to mock our suffering, to invalidate our perspective, to detain us and to put us away, we the pieces that don't fit anywhere in their jigsaw puzzle image of society.



Immanuel Kant was a Prussian philosopher with not only a very interesting philosophy, but also a very interesting life history, Kant lived his whole life unmarried and whithout any romantic relationships, it is almost certain that he died as a virgin, don't be fooled by the recent historical revisionism of his life, it is the work of those who can't accept that anyone could live such an ascetic life, they are doing the same thing that they have tried to do to Newton when they begun to speculate that he was in fact gay and because of that kept his relationships in secret, they speculate this without any evidence to back it up, back to Kant we may ask ourselves how come the man that materializes through his writings, the very same that mesmerized Schopenhauer with his life story, Schopenhauer which by the way was 16 years old when Kant died, and the man that modern historians try to paint him as are so different ? Anyways when studying Kant's life I came in contact with the myth that he used to have a very strict daily routine, and that housekeepers would set their clocks by the time he set out to walk in the park, when I read that I thought to myself what a delightful habit to have perhaps I should try it myself, and in the next day i decided to take a walk in the closest park to my home, arriving there I walked for about 20 minutes until in the middle of the path I saw a used condom in the ground right in my front, it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen with my own eyes, what is the problem with people ? why is it that modern western society has become so demoralized ? Think of how Kant would have reacted, have people in the last 200 years forgotten the meaning of the categorical imperative, or even of simple hygiene, has everyone degraded themselves to a point where everything is hedonism ?



I once was having a conversation with a friend and I was talking about what would be the right thing to do in a given situation, he simply answered that the right thing for one given person to do was that which gave them the most amount of pleasure, I retorted saying that if that were the case there would be no acts of generosity in the world, he retorted back saying that they would still exist, because people that realise acts of generosity are mainly doing so to feel better about themselves, when he said that I stopped for a couple of seconds and answered that he had to be a very crooked person to just blatantly defend Psychological hedonism, and later I was shocked to find out that his position was almost unanimously holded by my other friends. Don't get me wrong people are motivated by what motivates people, that is of course a tautology, now to go from there to say that what motivates people is always pleasure, is just wrong, let's say that I can't find my car keys because of the mess that is my house, therefore I'm motivated to organize my house so that I may find my keys, someone might say that I am only organizing my home for the pleasure of getting my keys, to which my cynical response is: "of course, because every time I have ever picked my keys I have always got a surge of pleasure, haven't I ? ", they may then back off and say that in fact the key is just a necessary step to be taken to be able to arrive at the location were the pleasure in fact lies, to which the obvious response is: "what if I am going to someone's funeral ? It seems to me that you have quite the bad taste in jokes to be implying that I would feel pleasure for other people's death.", having been cornered they might resort to say that in fact I have just organized my room because I didn't wan't to have to experience the agony of not finding my keys and therefore it would just be my desire to avoid pain, to which one can finish by saying "That may be the case, but then again I could have just taken a tranquilizer instead of having to clean and organize an entire room.".



At the end of the day one might try to imagine what it would be like to achieve the ultimate psychological hedonist desire, that is, to maximize the amount of pleasure and minimize the amount of pain, some people might think that this would be their ideal lives, perhaps having a well paying job and a happy and united family, to live in a very safe city, etc ; But that isn't really maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain, something like that would be like being confined in a safe room with enough provisions to last a life time while having a surgically implanted releaser of a cocktail of pleasure inducing chemicals, like dopamine and oxytocin, attached directly into the brain with an outside button to regulate the release of those chemicals; Yet we can't look at something like that and not be nauseated, disturbed, agonized and sad, it is the most pure image of a dystopia. I remember having read that in some old experiment a team of biologists had once done something similar to that to some lab rats, and if I remember correctly they just kept pressing this button all day long, they would not eat, neither would they sleep, they would just keep pressing the button until they died of cardiac arrest, or starved themselves to death, or died of dehydration, or even just exhaustion.



As far as definitions go, people are motivated by what motivates them, if you want to call that pleasure that is your choice, one could say any other thing and it would be equaly valid, my choice would be to say that people are motivated by what they perceive to be the right thing to do, for some people that might be achieving pleasure, to others it might be achieving order, to others yet it might be achieving high ethical standards, and to others it might be achieving the most logical resolution, and so on.



I would like to point out that we as incels are, nevertheless, a minority, and as such we should take advantage of all those privileges that all those other minority groups claim to themselves, like how in debates minorities would evoke the power struggle between the majority that tries to impose their dominance and the minority that tries to resist the imposed subjugation and how they use this to justify their narrative, or how they try to invalidate other people's arguments by discrimination, by pointing out that those arguments are coming from a specific group (like the usual "you white, middle class, heterosexual, cisgender, with college education, ... "), we should equally point out that the majority of the criticism that we incels recive come from people that think they know our situation better than we ourselves, they who haven't experienced being alone for five consecutive years in the entirety of their adult lives, in my country it has become popular to use the idea of a "place of speech" (lugar de fala), derived from the writings from french intellectuals such as Foucault and Bourdieu, it is the idea that only those which are immersed in a given social locus of an opressor-oppressed dynamics, making only valid the expressions from those in the situation of being oppressed, we again should take this argumentative advantage and use in our own benefit not only as a means to reinforce our narrative but also as a way to block that argumentative nonsense from those people that are not in our situation, a majority which never experienced anything that even resembles that which we have, and that think of themselves as so enlightened that think they know better than ourselves that which we are passing trough, and in their seamlessly infinite wisdom seem to always have an advice for what is our problem and for what we should do about it; Another thing we should be using in our favor is the idea of political correctness, I will explain what I mean by that, in many articles (such as in and https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n06/amia-srinivasan/does-anyone-have-the-right-to-sex ) incels have been called unfuckable and all sorts of mocking denominations to try to make a joke out of us, how dare they do so ? They don’t have any moral or even ethical entitlement to simply disregard us like that, so we should just use of political correctness to enforce at them the minimal amount of respect towards we fellow human beings. And from this we can escalate towards things like political representation, rights against discrimination, acceptance campaigns, etc. This strategy is such that if it were to succeed we would only have to gain from that, and were that to fail, we would “only” be undermining all those narrative privileges of other minorities from within.



We now go back to matters of ethics and morality, as I have discussed before it is only when people, otherwise not mentally ill, have already come to see suicide as the only solution to their lives that they then may go into killing sprees, and then having a realistic image of how we, the ones which did not partake at such diabolical violence, respond to those barbarities. I if it was up to me to describe what this would be like, I would say that in such a Oppenheinian dilemma no description would be better than that of the own Oppenheimer (Robert Oppenheimer was the director of the Manhattan Project to develop the atomic bomb and when asked to describe the moment of the first detonation test he said: “We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, other people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.”). This description is obviously not that of an perfect ethical group of people, but it is a realistic description of the real world, and before anyone tries to say that I am making a apology to mass murderers, I have a very neat example of how apologetically worse other minorities are willing to go to push forward their cause, one such example is one of my country’s binational film cooperation with France, the film Madame Satã tells the story of a queer transgender cold blooded serial murderer that once said “ I didn’t kill him, it was the bullet.” and “ my act of firing only opened a hole in him, who really killed him was god.”, and they portray him as a poor victim of his circumstances in the film even going to such lengths as to exalt his image as that of a dignified person that only by the hellish reality of which he was immersed that made him take such actions. It is this hypocrisy, the same of those that glorify figures like Che Guevara, and so many others mass murderers only because they can somewhat identify themselves with they or with their situation, and when the same type of pathological things happens with incels, then suddenly it is the end of times and people begin to persecute an entire subsection of society because they glorify murderers, as if this nefarious practice never had happened in so many other subsections of society. So even murderer can be pardoned or even glorified if it is for the “right” cause, or in the “righteous” circumstances.



To end this already long text I decided to make a proposal to all fellow incels, so long as we desire that which, as every shred of evidence has indicated, is not achievable we will continue to be in a subservient state towards those which are the sources of our suffering, almost like in Hegel’s master-slave dialectic, to break this tendency we have to make a weird inversion of thought and accept the systemic rejection targeted at us, and to understand that any group of individual that may have rejected us, and in doing so may have hurt our feelings, are only the instantiations of a much greater problem. Many people would say that almost by Occam's Razor, if you have two possibilities to explain a phenomenon such as : "if a given person is rejected by everyone he has ever proposed to, then the problem lies in him, not in the other people" and "if a given person is rejected by everyone he has ever proposed to, then the problem lies in a systematic discrimination of those with the same characteristics of the person, and do not care for the individual merit or demerit", obviously the first frase is a more simple proposition, and therefore by Occam's Razor should be the preferential explanation, and yet, although this may really be the case for a section of incels, that is, there are certainly incels that only are incels because they behave unethically and fail to show the smallest amount of kindness towards others and so on, but I don't think anyone really advocates in favor of those people, in fact, the great indignation from us incels come not from a irrational feeling of deserving something just because we exist, but from the verification that no matter how much ethical, sympathetic, and nice one may try to hold himself to be, nothing of that seems to make any diference at the end of the day, when people that have not gone through such lengths end up being able to partake in a relationship, showing that in practice being a well behaved and nice person is, if anything, a second rate attribute when considering someone's attractiveness. Going back to the Occam's Razor problem, considering the first phrase to be right, so that ultimately means that one's self reflection is a meaningless exercise if it means that at last instance it doesn't matter if one thinks he is behaving properly what only matters is how other people come to see a person, and this is problematic for a very simple reason, consider any and all regimen of exception, for example Nazi Germany or Apartheidied South Africa, can one really make the point that if a jew in nazi germany found itself being accused, by literally all of the menbers of that society, of his own existence being improper to the progress of society, then he should perhaps take notion of the scale of the number of people that have made that comment and consider if all those people aren't really right and that he really is part of the problem and not the other way around, and the same thing for a black person in Apartheid, or an armenian in the Ottoman Empire, and so on, and so forth. Clearly one cannot simply take other people judgments about themselves as the ultimate indicator of one's inadequacy, for every systematic discrimination may be translated into a individual inadequacy problem, that is, one nazi may face a jew and say "if only you had been born as a Aryan, you wouldn't need to pass through this." or a white person may face a black person in the Apartheid regime and say "if only you had been born white you wouldn't need to pass through this." or a ottoman turk may have faced an armenian and said "if only you were turk you wouldn't need to pass through this."; Therefore in this nefarious sense the two phrases are one and the same, but I will not take this road and I will consider that the vast majority of people are able to take self reflections upon their behaviours and decide if the opinion of others is valid or not, and yet an ever larger number of people seem to identify as incels, is it really intellectually honest to consider that all those people are incels because they are just blatantly inadequate ? And to do so, nevertheless, whithout any analysis of case studies that may or may not show this ?



Even then, taking the liberty to express my own stance on the situation, I have several examples of friends that are some of the most considerate, sympathetic and mindful people I have ever met and they too have been rejected by everyone they have ever declared themselves to, could then one really say that it was because of their abject personalities, or bluntness, or unethical behaviours ? Because if so, I am sorry to say that in all my life I have never met such great towering pillars of composure, that would then seem to be needed for one to be in a relationship, and be informed that I know quite some people that are or have been in a relationship.



Then again one might say “why make such a fuss about other people not liking you, one should only live by oneself and not depend on others for ones own happiness, if someone comes along that actually likes you for what you are, then great, but otherwise you shouldn’t be sad or angry by other people’s choices, after all those are things that are beyond your capabilities to influence, you should only focus to be the best of yourself and this will suffice to be happy, for it will be the greatest reward one could ever desire.”, to me this is one of the most constructive ways to arrive at the so called “black pill”, that is, the complete acceptance of one’s hopelessness when it comes to relationships, and to me this almost completely stoic view accomplishes at the same time a virtuous way to give up on



And so, nevertheless, we have to face the reality of our situation and know that we cannot really do anything about it, for if we did that would be coercion in one way or another, we can only accept it and in this weird invertion of thought of our acceptance, to develop our own notion of our worth, ideally dedicating ourselves to living a life of virtue, so that even if someone may pity us, we may then proclaim: "You pity me ? It is I who should be pitying you, if only I didn't think that to be disrespectful to begin with.", we have to take the role of the Cynic that lives under the bridge and that flashes his lantern at anyone and everyone, always searching and vociferating it's search for a single example of a truly honest person, and he does this not because he thinks that he will actually find an absolutely honest person, but because he knows that by doing that he exposes the hypocrisies of society and makes people aware of their own flaws, and in doing that he disrupts the self righteous thoughts of others. We in our predicament must face the truth that life isn’t fair and needs not to be fair, and with that thought in mind, let us not make anyone’s life any fairer, let us be the great equalizers, maintaining, whenever in our power, a fair amount of misery in other people’s lives, accentuating, of course, towards those people that live those privileged lives, that don’t know the hustle of living without the empathy of anyone, at least they should know the antipathy of some.



Another aspect which I wish to denounce in this text is about the instrumentalisation of critical thinking in contemporary society, which can be seen in its utmost contrast in Academia where postmodernists have parameterized the act of thinking critically through the so called “Critical Theory” from the Frankfurt School, and from this parametrization they were able to instrumentalize critical thought to serve only to deconstruct morality and to rationalize acts of selfishness, all under the banner of freedom, people are able of the most intricate argumentative juggling just to get their way with things and to not feel even slightly at fault, when in fact true critical thinking would also question the plans and the actions committed by people and not only locally critique restrictions and norms that may have a unperceived holistic importance in the grand scheme of things, in a sense there is a lack of the sort of realism that is conveyed by the aphorism "You can’t eat your cake and have it too.", too much has been done to justify the actions of people who usufruct of their desires from an ever greater amount of sources, and that at the same time seek the minimal amount of responsibility, so much that people seem to only be critical of their responsibilities, and never of their desires and actions, which can easily be seen in the majority of criticisms in general, it is always the imposition of others morals upon some, or it is the suffocating norms of society, and so forth and so on. When it is in the individual setting that criticism should be more pronounced, it is relatively easy to find problems in exterior things, but not so much in ourselves, and when people are faced with occasions where their personal objectives collide with that which is ethical, instead of making ample use of critical thinking to deconstruct their objectives and then come to terms with ethics, they either forget ethics all together or they try to distort ethics in such a way as to allow, or even imply, the actions that work in favor of their objectives. It is all very much dishonest and self centered, but then again, so are people in general.



Consider now the trends that society has been following in the last years, it becomes increasingly evident that the path we are taking is not one of order and virtue, but instead one of hedonism. Consider how no one talks about what the virtuous thing to do would be, we only talk about what would be the pleasurable thing to do, this tendency towards hedonism is highly pathological and in what follows I will try to explain why.

The problem with considering the maximisation of net pleasure as the main goal in existence is that at no moment there were, is, or will be a uniformity in the distribution of the attainability of pleasure, that is to say, that different people will always have different amounts of pleasure in their life and if we consider many of the possible sources of pleasure it becomes clear why, if we consider things like love for example we see that it is by its own nature exclusionary, this is in accordance with natural selection and more intimately related with the notion of sexual selection, one funny way one can realize this is by watching the film Crumb (1994) were there is a scene were Robert Crumb recalls his youth experiences in the 60’s and comments on how the image that was passed onwards of the 1960’s and it’s movements and his own memories of them are so dissonant, people have been made to believe that the movements of counterculture of the 60’s, such as the Hippies, embraced the different and how they were proponents of free love and etc. It becomes clear from Crumb's description that they didn’t embrace the different as much as they embraced a very particular type of different, and how the so called free love wasn’t so free after all, if something those movements were nothing more than the exposition of flashy ideas utilized by some people to facilitate and legitimize their abuse of other people and of other people to achieve their desire of being abused. So even in a environment where it was publicly stated that equality should be pursued as much as possible, it still happened that some people were more “equal” than others, which, amongst other things, means that whenever people set pleasure as their main objective, some people are able to reach more pleasures than others, and so we get a distribution, some would say that it is a Pareto distribution, of how much pleasure on average different people are experiencing, since there are finitely many people there must exist a global minimum and this minimum must be very low in general. Now we arrive at a critical point of the reasoning, some people within a neighborhood of this minimum will become much infuriated at this discrepancy between people that they begin to stop feeling pleasure from the small sources that are accessible to them and in their search for maximizing their pleasure might face that there exists pleasure at taking out the pleasure of other people, of robbing others of their pleasures, to christian people this is basically Cain and Abel where as for more laic people this can be seen in the French Revolution for example. So here we get that hedonism in it’s search of the maximization of pleasure will invariably fail at achieving that because the distortions it creates will in turn create a lot of suffering when the leveling of those same pleasures come by the hands of those which the pleasure of ending the pleasure of others becomes their main source of pleasure, and so hedonism is, by itself, destroyed.



To summarize, incels are those people that are able to best see the world of romantic relationships as it really is, for we are exterior to this world and because we cannot gerrymander our positive experiences with our negative ones in such a way as to make us content with ourselves and with the world as it is, for we don’t have any positive experience to superimpose over our negative ones, and to us remains only to accept this gruesomeness and to swallow this caustic reality, for we don’t have, and probably never will have, the positive experience which would allow us to retroactively disregard all of our negative experiences and to make all seem much more fair than it had really been, just like how a gambler might quite suddenly change his view on the fairness of a game if after a long chain of losses he finally wins a little, of course nothing compared to what he had lost previously, but then he convinces himself that all those losses were just unluckiness and that since he had won now, he will have way more chances to win again. Nevertheless even if we were to achieve such a positive experience, it does not change the legitimacy of the criticism from those which were forsaken of such privilege, even if those people were hypothetical to begin with, which they are not.
 
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For the last months I have been reading and listening to several articles, jornalistic reports, podcasts, debates and interviews about the incel phenomenon in modern society, and even if the majority of them were highly against incels, I should point out that their argumentations were either wildly imprecise or relatively easy to deconstruct, but whenever there was an incel present they would not be any better at argumentations, which is somewhat understandable for even if one passes trought a very specific situation it does not mean they are some type of professional debater that will be able to defend the views that he has acquired trougth personal experience in a suficiently articulated and convincing argumentative speech. It is my hope that by sharing my reflections on this topic that I may strengthen the arguments of incels so that we can have a more productive participation on the societal debate about incels.



To begin this discussion we should observe that essentialy what inceldom is, is a symptom of the existence of sexual selection in the midst of human societal practices, I would say that to many people this is not so much of a problem to accept, and that would be true, but there is at least one group of people that this becomes somewhat of a taboo when they are beeing completely honest in the discussion, and those are the people that defend egalitarianism, sure what they usualy mean when they are defending egalitarian measures is that they don't agree with how in Captalism a person is arbitrarily born in either a rich family or a poor family and that the one born in a rich family has way more opportunities than someone born in a poor family, and how this makes many poor people work their entire lifes, many times not beeing able to leave poverty and reach the middle class while other people hardly work at all but have the privilege of beeing born into a rich family. On this note it is interesting to notice that what happened in every socialist country when they abolished Captalism and forcifully equalized the economy, instead of money being what people strived for, it became political power, for the political institutions would by then have become more stratified and with the most opportunities centralized around a political hierarchy of the state, and then again inequality emerged for those people with political power and those without, for people that were arbitrarily born into a more influent family and people that were born into a unrecognized family. Of couse, no coutry ever achieved this, but suposing one coutry were able to go trougth socialism without breaking, and were then able to implement comunism were there would be no state and therefore political power would then become equally distributed amongst the people what then would become the thing people would then strive for ? Well I am sure there could be many things but if I were to guess I would conjecture it would be sex, the differences in sexual hierarchies would be intensified creating caste systems where people that were arbitrarily born more attractive would be able to enjoy the status of a higher caste where they would have many opportunities and people that were born very unattractive would live lives as untouchables, members of the lowest caste were no opportunities would ever emerge. In this truly dystopian scenario, but nonetheless plausible for caste systems were very common in India and many other asiatic coutries, obviously there would never be any forced redistribution of sex, for it would be societal sanctioned rape which obviously is a crime ( even though every other forced redistribution of capital, and of political influence were also crimes, although one could argue that they were of different proportions) and therefore we would never really have any egalitarian utopia but only changes of through which medium inequality would arise.



All this talk about socialism and comunism has made me remember Slavoj Zizek’s article about incels (https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-moebius-strip-of-sexual-contracts/) and how he commits the hilarious mathematical error of saying things like "We would thus oppose the logic of universal human rights and the logic of social hierarchy as the two sides of a Moebius strip " when one of the most notorius characteristic of a moebius strip is that it only has one side, it gets even worse when after that he says "and focus on their point of intersection" (« Facepalm » ) what does he mean ??? the whole strip ??? And when you think it couldn't get any worse he begins to talk about turning and reversing shapes which only have one side, it's like some sort of mathematical torture, I know he is a specialist in Hegel and that makes him by consequence a specialist in meaninglessness and in utterly nonsensical things but this is too much. It is nothing more than the screaming example of double standards at play and nothing more, only then could he make a distinction of two things that are the same, that is, there can be no true equality if it doesn't encompass every significant thing in a person's life and that includes "politico-economic life and sex ". Although until here it may seem that I am advocating that there should be some type of enforcement of sexual partners, I would like to express how utterly appalling I think such thing is, and if you think that would be the only way to achieve equality of sexual relationships amongst everyone, then you are agreeing much more with the so called incel black pill than you are openly expressing. It is funny how the incel-normie situation resembles that of the lumpenproletariat - proletariat situation, much like how the proletarian class looks at the bourgeois class with envy, the proletarians at the same time despise and fear the lumpenproletarians for they may envy the proletarians, just like how the proletarians envy the bourgeois, and in doing so they may undermine the legitimacy of the proletarians in the class struggle and in this way prevent the Proletarian revolution.



This takes me to the question of "do incels belive they are entitled to sex ?" To which my answer would be : not any more than anyone else. I mean think for a minute, when an incel goes to declare himself to someone and ultimately gets rejected, the very rejection could only happen either because this person does not want to be in any relantionship ever, or because the person he declared himself to thinks they are entitled to someone better. Incels are not any more guilty, than they are victims of entitlement. And then one would say that there are no more reasons to belive that there should be any asymmetry between dating strategies of males and females, and that would perhaps be the case if humans layed eggs instead of adopting a gestational strategy in which the mother becomes vulnerable, which by itself, was a big problem since humans where nomadic for the greater part of our existence, and therefore there was evolutionary pressure to make females have higher standards whenever they would select their mates, to justify the risk they would have to pass through. Ok, so if this is something that has been this way since times immemorial why is inceldom a contemporary problem ? I would not say it is a contemporary problem, it is a problem which has been greatly amplified in comtemporary times in which everyone is having way fewer children because of the cost, and because it is only in contemporary times that we have seen the dismantlement of what feminists would call the patriarchy, and more conservative people would call the traditional family model and there is also the absolute abandonment of responsibility. Those things contribute first to women beeing more picky as a return to those more primordial instincts in these times in which it has become so expensive to have children, and along with the understanding that stability together with responsibility are in the decline, making women in general choose a much more select group of men, and beeing with any one of them by much less time. Creating a whole mass of women that have not been in many, if any, long therm relationships, a group of men that have relative easy acess to as many relationships as they desire and another group of men that have each time less and less chance of being in a relationship. Returning to the question of entitlement, if there is such a thing as a belief of entitlement to sex that is supported by a whole subsection of the population then we have to look for the origin of this belief, and although many people would go quite trigger happy to say that the source of this entitlement is this forum and others like it, I wouldn't be so sure of this, for a forum only reverberates opinions and narrative images that are already existent in society, this problem, if it exists at all, is much more profound than that, it has to do with the socialization process, and to better illustrate what I mean by saying that I will make reference to a personal experience, not because I think this will prove anything about how everyone behaves, for it is certainly statistically insignificant, nevertheless I belive this report will bring to light the superstructure of values and beliefs present in contemporary society that does much more to foster this entitlement than it does to sever it, that is to say that although statistically insignificant I belive my report not to be meaningfully insignificant.



When I was in High School I remember that in the first of a series of classes about sex education there were phrases profered such as "Since everyone in here will sooner or later have a sexual relationship ..." and "sex is a fundamental part of every healthy lifestyle" and many other like-minded sentences, since in my family I have an uncle that, differently from every other adult in my family, was not married and I remember the day that I, as a young boy, asked my mother why that was and she said that he was never able to date anyone and that he had given up on actively search for love, but she was sure that one day the right person would show up in his life. To me he was always an example of person living an alternative lifestyle, one that was as much valid as any other, for he was, and still is, one of the happiest people that I have ever know.



As I grew up I found out that he as a teenager studied in high school at morning and had began working part-time at evening, and once he had finished High school he began working full time in a factory and was living with my grandmother until he had saved enough money to buy his own house, but by his late twenties my grandfather died and he took the responsibility, as the oldest son, of economically helping my grandmother. Acording to my grandmother he never had had a girlfriend and she used to joke that because of that he had become grumpy. As time had passed he knew nothing but rejections in every declaration of love he had ever made, until he had enough of it and stopped caring about love all together. My uncle was what we would call today an incel. Today he is 78 years old and lives a simple retired life, he likes to buy old watches and repair them if so they need and then he sells them at slightly higher prices than for what he purchased, he goes on walks in parks and plays chess.



When I was having the first class in sex education and the teacher kept implying that sex was a inevitability, initially I thought about myself and how I have never had a girlfriend or even any type of close relationship with a girl and how I couldn't imagine my future self being any better than my then current self in this regard, and then I thought about my uncle and how his situation was the perfect counterexample of what that teacher had said, and then, having become somewhat troubled by what she was saying, I asked : "Teacher, you have been making several generalisations about how everyone will someday need to know all this information about sex, but what about those people that do not wish to have sex or what about the people that will never in fact be able to be in a sexual relationship ? Isn't this type of information useless to them ? I mean there are all kinds of important information about self preservation that we don't talk about, like airplanes or ships safety precautions or workplace safety procedures or even how to be careful about possible legal loopholes that might ruin someone's life, and yet we do not talk about these topics, probably because we do not think that they are applicable to everyone in here, so why is it that this classes are obligatory if there are people for which this information is useless and these classes are nothing more than lost time? and why is it that you have not mentioned abstinence as a prevention method ? " to which she answered : "It is important to learn about sex because even though presently you may not want to have sex, one day when you meet the right person this information will be useful, you may be doubting now about what I am talking but it is not as if we choose for whom we will fall for." this answer made me really unconfortable back then and reflecting about it made me realise that society as a whole is in large part to blame about people believing that they are entitled to sex, people feed hope of a better romantic future, many times in direct oposition to what every shred of evidence seems to indicate, to those who have difficulties with romance with talks like “ you don’t need to be worried about being rejected you just have to be yourself and one day someone who values you for what you are will appear.” and “you are a nice person you just need to wait until someone realises that.” and “ I’m sure that if you did X you would be much more in evidence and people would notice all the other great aspects about you” and “the right person for you is somewere out there you just have to find them” etc.



We drown people with all these hopes and promises and then we become infuriated if they ever complain about how they think life is unfair for not manifesting love to them as it does to the vast majority of other people, we say to they then “you are not entitled to sex” and “of course nobody will want you if you have that attitude” among other things, this is simply a image of how hypocrite and full of double standards society really is, in a first moment out of pity and some times as a form of doing away with a annoying situation, we offer this blind hope to those people in such a way as to make we not need to feel guilty with ourselves for our accomplishments and to not have to deal with any annoying and complicated thing as the romantic frustrations of another person, but in fact we don’t know if any of those promisses we made will ever be fulfilled and to begin with there is no way we can know about those things, and when all this hope we gave to those people backlashes we become offended or we laugh and ridicule that which we ourselves fostered.



That being said, I don’t tink there is anyone who actually thinks that they are entitled to sex in as much as there is people that recognise that intimacy is a type of fundamental human need and that people deserve to have such needs fulfilled. This understanding that intimacy is a fundamental human need can be very well observed in those people that go to psychologists and decide to talk about their romantic shortcomings, and the answer of the psychologist is never to say: “Get the hell out of my consultory! You are not entitled to sex or intimacy or romantic appreciation, if you have not yet understood this, I advise you to stop being a cry baby and deal with it !”. The problem about fundamental human needs and if these needs implicate rights is a difficult and important debate, especially for those that honestly hold a more egalitarian ethos, but it is not one that I will tackle in these reflections. To be completely fair then I will assume that someone that, trough the contrapositive of a belief arrive at another, that is to say, if someone believes that “I don’t deserve to live in solitude” it implies the belief that “I deserve companionship “, and since I consider that the original belief is as valid as the belief that “I don’t deserve anything “ that implies “I don’t deserve companionship “, leaves me to conclude that it is as fair to think that one does not deserve companionship as it is to think that one deserves.



Another story from when I was in High School is about one day in which we, the students, were handed a survey about our future aspirations and some of the questions were in multiple choice format, in particular one of those questions were “What is your most important objective in life ?”, amongst the answers were things like having a successful career, having a comfortable life with many travels trough the world, living a balanced life with no lack’s and no excess, and also there was a option that said “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, initially I had read this sentence with a certain disregard, perhaps because at that time I already had a notion, based on what I had witnessed by then, of how my future would be like, and It had made the very notion of “establishing a family” as not something one could ever strive for, that is to say, it wasn’t anything that one could ever direct any work or effort towards, people would just live their lives and dedicate themselves to their ambitions, and only if one such people had the luck of meeting with someone that not only they liked but that also liked them in return, would then one be able to “establish a family”, in a sense this were a random event that could or could not occur within one's person lifetime, it is not something that has a continuous progression and therefore it is not something that one could rush towards as a objective, because there isn’t even any direction to rush towards. In my mind only those emotionally needy people would choose that option, those people that don’t seem to be able to be alone for any amount of time, and that always seem to be dating someone, and that make periodic references to their significant other and how they wished they were together in that specific moment. These people seem to be afraid of being alone or of even loneliness itself, it is the type of people that would say that their biggest fear is to die alone, and in saying that forgets that in life the majority of people are born alone and die alone, and they kind of contemn the lives of those people that live their entire life in solitude. With my disregard towards people that would choose the alternative “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, I openly expressed my opinion about what I thought of that to my two best friends, it so happened that one of them had chosen that option in his survey, we then entered a discussion about how in my opinion that was a pathetic objective, and my friend rightly pointed out that what is important to each person is subjective which put me in a position where I had to concede that he had won the argument, and although in that moment I still didn’t think that objective to be worthy of being the most important to anyone, that for me was still the aspirations of cattle not of (mostly) rational human beings, but as time went on I began to see from new points of perspective this aspiration and began to not think so lowly of people who thought of constituting a family as their main objective in life and in fact at some point I began to accept that as valid as any other objective people might have in life, things like thinking about how according to several economists one of the main factors that move the economy is in fact the establishment of families, which generates many demands that in turn creates jobs to increase the supply and in this way equilibrates prices, other perspective that was quite enlightening was that of looking towards my own parents to which I am indebted for the rest of my life for having cared for me throughout my whole childhood and adolescence and how they sacrificed many things in favor of securing better opportunities in life to me and my siblings, than that which they themselves had, and they did that because their biggest objective in life is the well-being of their family, having benefited myself from such a life ambition how could I criticize others that may wish to follow the same objective ?



Obviously I can’t. And so I have come to terms with people who have their main ambition in life “to marry, establish a family and have kids.”, but immediately we arrive at a problem, take this friend of mine as a example, my social life in High School was mainly interacting with people who had the same problems to fit in with the rest of the class as myself, and this friend of mine was not different in this sense, I have kept in contact with the majority of my friends of High School and with my two best friends, and even now many years after we graduated High School and University none of us has ever had any relationships, even my friend which his biggest dream is to marry and constitute a family wasn’t able to even have a girlfriend in all of this time, so, even though it is not my life, I still think we have to reflect about this cases in which a person begins to see the years and years go by and their humble, if I may say so, life's dream appearing to be every time farther and farther away of being realized, can someone really be angry at the thought of someone in this situation gets disenchanted with life, and sometimes by doing so, begins to resent people in general ? Since I am talking so much about High School let me make an analogy with one of my particular experiences in High School, do any of you know how it feels like when you like something let’s say an group sport like soccer or basketball for example, but every time people would make the teams you were always the last one to be selected ? Well I know very well how this feels because that last person to be selected was always me, I used to like to play volleyball with my family in a volleyball court that was close to home, I never was very athletic but I liked to play, but as I began to play volleyball, any sport really but I liked volleyball in particular, in PE class in Middle School and High School I was always the last one to be chosen for any team and during the game all my teammates always treated me as some type of dead weight that they had to carry, and it was by observing their behavior towards me that little by little I not only stopped liking volleyball, but it became the sport that I hated, and still hate, the most. The feeling of being treated as if you are incapable of any positive collaboration to the victory of the team, the sporadic occasions in which a member of your team noticed how sad you were at not being able to participate in the game and purposely let you touch the ball, only to make themselves feel better for what they were doing, as if that was some act of charity they were performing. It all got to my nerves at some point and all I could feel every time I played volleyball was how little my classmates thought of me.


One can make a parallel between my description of the games of volleyball on my School years to what happened to my friend that had as his main ambition in life “to marry, establish a family and have kids.” in his adult life, except that in life no one is obligated to accept you just because you have offered yourself, so were you to be the last to be selected, in fact you just wouldn’t be selected at all, and that is what happened to him ( it also happened to me ). And sometimes when his Parents or his work colleagues noticed how lonely he were they would try to arrange to him a date with some women, and when he ultimately didn’t succeed at making a girlfriend, they would go to him and criticize him for letting such a chance let go like that, as if they were doing some type of charity to him. Could you really get mad at him for resenting those people who always seemed to reject him and also those people that felt bad for seeing the contrast between their lives and that of my friend and “mercifully” decided to offer him some time of emotional charity by arranging a date with some single woman they knew, only to not have to witness the loneliness of others.



Another topic that I have been thinking about was about how we model our understanding of the existence of incels in society, and since I have been watching several lectures of Jordan Peterson, I have been interested in the Jungian idea that at the most primitive and/or fundamental level we human beings model the world trough the use of archetypes, it then stimulated me to think about which character would best represent the incel archetype ? Thinking about it quite meticulously it came to mind at least two stories that had major characters that we would today categorize as incels, those would be The Hunchback of Notre Dame’s Quasimodo and Cyrano de Bergerac’s Cyrano. Although Each of the stories have their own qualities and defects, through the semiotics of inceldom both characters are the representation of one societal occurrence, that is the utterly bankruptcy of Ethics at the predilection of Aesthetics, and as such I ultimately would have to choose Quasimodo as the better representative of the incel archetype, given the genius of Victor Hugo there is actually a passage in which Quasimodo leaves two vases in the window of Esmeralda’s room “One was a very beautiful and very brilliant but cracked crystal vase. It had allowed the water with which it had been filled to escape, and the flowers which it contained were withered. The other was an earthenware pot, coarse and common, but which had preserved all its water, and its flowers remained fresh and crimson. I know not whether it was done intentionally, but Esmeralda takes the withered flowers from the crystal vase and presses them passionately on her heart for the entirety of the day.”. This symbolism represents almost perfectly the incel conundrum, this behavior of Esmeralda is the behavior of the vast majority of females, and although we cannot say that every incel can be described as a person that is internally akin to vibrant flowers that remained fresh and crimson, even if we were to exclude those that are morally corrupt, which seem to be homogeneously distributed trough all social groups, there would still be those that have scarred hearts from their previous failures, although the vast majority of incels have been naive and hopeful at some time in their lives, this naivety progressively becomes a presupposition of malice and this hope becomes scorn, that is to say, can one honesty believe that a unkept flower in a uncracked earthenware pot would not shrivel, dry and die ? Given that it’s necessities were not being fulfilled in a very long time (perhaps even never) ?



The usual reading of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, from my experience, looks with disdain towards the indirect rejection he suffers from Esmeralda, some people look at that and categorize it as a simple sexist instance of “it’s tragic because he didn’t get the girl”, where the situation is not anywhere that straight up, to quote Jordan Peterson on rejection: “It is a real judgement, at best it would be like: while I don’t mind your physical presence, your genes should definitely not survive another generation”, and if that was all perhaps that would be okay, but that is not all that happens, Esmeralda chooses Phoebus instead of choosing Quasimodo or even not choosing anyone at all, she rejects Quasimodo despite all of his good intentions and chooses Phoebus regardless of his egotistical intent. Why does she do that ? This has already been answered in these reflections, it is because se makes an aesthetic judgement and not an ethical one, Quasimodo is judged for his ugly and deformed appearance, of which he had virtually no choice, and Phoebus is judged for his handsomeness, of which he had been gifted without having done anything to deserve such blessing. Other people see that as a pathetically obvious result: “what did he expect ? Esmeralda is way out of his league, he should just accept that and hope that he finds someone that is just as ugly and deformed as himself, if that is even possible, and why should I even care for such a story ? The vast majority of the population, including myself, is neither deformed or that ugly and never have passed or will pass though such a life.”, whilst ignoring it’s own connotation as wildly discriminatory and sickly eugenic, much like Plato in his Republic: “It follows from our former admissions that the best men must mate with the best women in as many cases as possible, while the opposite should hold of the worst men and women; and that the offspring of the former should be reared, but not that of the latter, if our flock is going to be an eminent one. And all this must occur without anyone knowing except the rulers ... So then, we will have to establish by law certain festivals and sacrifices at which we will bring together brides and bridegrooms, and our poets must compose suitable hymns for the marriages that take place. ... I imagine that some sophisticated lotteries will have to be created, then, so that the inferior man of that sort will blame chance rather than the rulers at each mating time. ... And presumably, the young men who are good at war or at other things must —among other prizes and awards — be given a greater opportunity to have sex with the women, in order that a pretext may also be created at the same time for having as many children as possible fathered by such men.”, this is said by Plato, one of the most influential philosophers of the western world, so it is not that strange that people with such eugenic thoughts still exist and many times do not even realize the dangerous similarities between these two views, to simply accept this imposed hierarchy is not any better than to be like sheep that cannot begin to fathom the intentions of the shepherd.



That leaves us to think why is it exactly that almost every decision one can make is subjectable to ethics, with the notorious exception of romantic/sexual judgments, it is at this intersection between a unscrupulous pursuit of one’s desire and a prudent restriction towards ethical conduct, that the intellectual dishonesty begins, because there are considerable interests at stake, therefore the very notion of ethics in the judgment of romantic partners is discarded and this rustic, amorphous, sometimes even mystical, and a priori unprincipled imagery of what is love is pushed forward as a means to justify partial/biased judgment and to crush dissent among those that are at the margin in this aspect of life. This imagery is propaganda, and just like any propaganda, it seeks to create a narrative that encourages complacency towards the present status quo and vilifies the desistance of pursuit of those success goals that have been dictated by the narrative. That is why there are people that having been exposed to the narrative that effort is not only necessary, but sufficient to achieve economical success, for example, these people that take contemporary society to be a complete meritocracy, can pass by a homeless person and not only they become incapable of being sympathetic towards the difficult situation that those in misery pass through every day, but take that as a just sentence, for if those people had been committed and hardworking they wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with, as they are it can only mean that they haven’t been those things, that they haven’t put enough effort to free themselves from poverty in which case they are only experiencing that which they deserve and one should only feel repugnance and aversion towards those people.



If anyone thinks that this is only exaggeration and a way to justify an inferiority complex, or as people in my country say a mutt complex, if you think so I suggest to you to make a thought experiment, imagine you had to cheer up Quasimodo that was sad because of his loneliness, could you honestly tell him things like “You just have to keep trying to find your soulmate, she is definitely out there.”, would you really think that was the case for someone that deformed ? And if you would say that what makes you think that this situation is any different from that which was jokingly pointed out by George Carlin in one of his jokes about prisons where he said something like “Everybody more or less agree that we need more prisons, some people even scream 'BUILD MORE PRISONS ! ... but not in here.' “. It is like those people that keep saying how people should be seeking love because they believe that society is full of bitter and resentful people , but then feel insulted if anyone they don’t fancy ever declare romantic feelings towards them. This characterizes a insidious cycle where society at large advocates for love as a fundamental element of having a successful life, and then there is a number of people that fail at that, and then society reaffirms love and then surprisingly enough more people seem to fail and then not only society reinforces this idea of love, they condemn those that fail at it, this is what is happening in Japan where an ever increasing number of men are not able to find female romantic partners, which then reflects negatively in the number of births which then begins to affect the economy of the country, another bizarre phenomenon that is happening there is that the number and popularity of female aimed brothels, or as they call it there Host clubs, that although also exist in the male oriented forms, they don’t reach the ridiculous proportion that the female oriented Host Clubs have achieved where there are literally huge billboards promoting the most popular “hosts”(gigolos) outdoors in clear day light , and then some people begin to complain that this situation is unique to Japan and that the situation on the vast majority of the world is different from that, and that may be true presently, but what they fail to see is that the demographics of present day Japan accurately represents the projections for the immediate future of all developed countries and that it already began to show in developing countries as well, so we would better learn what can be learned from Japan's situation because we will pass trough that soon enough.



Returning to how ethics has lost to aesthetics in the dating landscape, we may depart from a rational ethical analysis from what we experience in our failed attempts at dating, and the most recurring basis for rejection is not behavior or education or dedication, these things only achieve critical importance once two people have already begun dating, the thing that really works like a filter is attractiveness, which fundamentally means looks, knowing this we may begin this ethical analysis by asking what it means to exert judgment on other people mainly trough aesthetics, and that is, what makes anyone more aesthetically pleasing than another person ? Is it the actions that one chooses to take ? Is it the way one thinks about things ? Is it the behavior one upholds ? Is it the personality one has developed throughout his life ? Or is it one's physical appearance which was primarily defined by his genetics at the moment of birth, and secondly by the environment in which he grew up, both of which are random events in which one doesn’t have any influence over ?



Supposing one has honestly answered those previous questions can anyone say that the physical appearance is not a fundamental factor towards attractiveness ? If one still doesn’t agree then imagine yourself honestly telling that to Quasimodo, that is, if you were even capable of that. Still in this topic of attractiveness, a strange phenomenon that has been happening since about the 1990's when the percieved beauty standards for males changed radically. Generaly it is women that complain about the unattainability of such ideals, what is obviously a statistically and ethical valid complaint and one that I will take as a given, yet although unattainable they can hardly be said to be unfeminine, if for anything, the unattainability of such female standards arises from the exaggeration of the feminine to unrealistic levels, where as the contemporary beauty standard for males is almost entirely unmasculine in it's nature. The common feature shared by most male models of female oriented magazines is that, with the exception of their musculature and their jawbone that tend to be accentuated, they resemble some type of androgynous angel-like figure, having therefore more feminine traits in opposition to those biologically induced by characteristic masculine hormones like testosterone. In conclusion while women complaints of beauty standards are based in the fact that the cutoff region of what is considered attractive in the multivariate distribution of feminine aspects is so narrow that they become unrealistic, although the variables of the distribution are in principle still comparable throughout, if not all, the vast majority of women; Where as with men the problem lies in the fact that there is a break between men who have in their appearance those feminine dimensions capable of mustering an androgynous look, which has become attractive as of late, and those who doesn't have this dimension to them, and in this discrete, discontinuous classification we have men being forsaken not because they don't lie within some range on the scales of attractiveness, but because they are not even on many of those scales to begin with, that is, some times it is not only because someone is on the lower strata that they are rejected in favor of someone else, sometimes it is just because they aren't even comparable in the first place, and this is a big problem because, may people like it or not, there are way more people that look like Quasimodo than there are people that look like angels anyway.



One fascinating exemple of how ethics becomes mixed with aesthetics occurs when a feminist calls all men pigs (or at least some portion of men), is the identification of a men with the figure of a pig a ethical judgement or an aesthetical one ? It almost seems as if the problem was not the actions perpetuated by those men but their aesthetics, that those actions would be somewhat acceptable, were practiced by some Christian Grey of Fifty Shades of Grey instead of some random creep. Still talking about those feminists, there is much talk about how women should just wear whatever they want and that they shouldn't be demurred by any possible sexual aggressor, after all the guilt of any aggression is always of the aggressor (which is a correct assessment, of course), nevertheless it should be pointed out that this type of discourse has many times promoted debauchery and demoted prudency, and this is a problem because, although the guilt of the aggression is of the aggressor, we have to remember ourselves that sexual impulses are not triggered by rationality and logic (hah, we wish that were the case, imagine if things were so simple and reasonable as solving numerous logic problems from a set of "propositional calculi" « See what i did there ? » ), but by instinct, so that it only takes a person with bad judgement for a tragedy to happen, is it really okay to encourage women to make themselves preferential prey to those molesters ? One thing is to envision an idealized society, another one entirely is to advocate unprudent behaviour in the real world. In the extreme end of feminism we find organizations such as Femen wich proclaims to fight against the malice of the patriarchy, only to do so with malice of their own and to fight malice with malice can only increase the total amount of malice in the world.



So we have people judging other people mainly trough randomly assigned traits, considering, of course, that even those who can improve themselves into becoming more attractive have first to have the potential to become more attractive, and this potential is equally randomly assigned. We have then to ask ourselves if this is ethical, which it is not, for it is an arbitrary judgment, and knowing that we must ask ourselves what can be done to remedy this unjust behavior, obviously we could not force or coerce people to change this, for it would be equally not ethical, the only thing we can really do is to accept the way things are and to take our own judgment upon this unethical situation. One thing that I have seen recently that has made me a little irritated was this, rather vulgar, video by BuzzFeed (), the guy in the video is certainly not a very ethical person by what is portrayed of him thinking, but for a second forget what he thinks and what he does in his privacy, no one else in the real world would know that to begin with, what I think is the most irritating thing is the part where he buys a watch to gift to the coworker that he belives he is developing feelings for, even if it is in his own twisted way, and when he finally goes to give the gift to her, he freezes and is not able to say anything and she gets uncomfortable with that and walks away, at the next moment we see him in the HR being scolded for inappropriate behaviour, since when does trying to give a watch to someone constitutes inappropriate behaviour ? It is as Roger Scruton has once said (), as society is tending towards becoming less and less civilized, romantic relationships begin to stop requiring a previous period of courtship and become each time more dreadfully direct, or how Roger Scruton said “Nowadays, of course, sexual harassment just means sexual advances made by the unattractive, who are the majority, so you know, there is a huge injustice in this.”.



Going back to the topic of how incels are seen by society, we may spend days and days arguing about how every time there is, for a lack of a better word, a public exhibition of the subject there is always a permeating hypocrisy of some sort, either they think we are just “bad losers” in a way, that just because we aren’t able to date anyone we think it is alright to be whining about how we couldn’t achieve that which we wished, and how this is only because the world is unjust and so on, when in fact the majority of them revert right back to this state whenever their established relationships crumble, and in this moment they don’t think that in fact they are just whining and that they should just “buckle up, kiddo”, or when people are so reductionist to the point that they say we incels are just frustrated because we can’t get laid and begin talking about how this is some justification for why prostitution should be legalized, when in fact just because something is illegal it doesn’t mean it is impossible to find, prostitution, much like illegal drugs, is not that difficult to find if you are actually looking for it, these people forget about the deepest existential question that is in fact what really desolate the incels, these people just say this because they have had the privilege of having had their emotional needs fulfilled and reassured by this they have taken the liberty of dissociating one thing with the other, and having had their emotional needs fulfilled they begin to only think about sex and their sexual desires instead of the more basic, humane, problem. In the last case people just assume that if someone is rejected by everyone they have ever approached, then that means they are some type of freaks that should just lay down and rot, after all the word of the people have been ushered, and the word of the people is law. But jokes aside, I wish to talk about one opinionated person in particular, Natalie Wynn the transexual woman of the YouTube channel ContraPoints, in her video about incels () to which many people took to be a pondered, even perhaps conciliatory, stand on the question of inceldom, yet, although better than the majority of the expositions of the topic she still makes fundamental mistakes about incels, in particular in the part about how the black pill is just catastrophizing, or how she exposed it as being defined by psychotherapists as “A cognitive distortion where anxiety or depression leads you to infer apocalyptic conclusions from mundane setbacks and anxieties.”, every incel reading this might instantly see where the problem in that is, it only gets worse when she gives the first example of such a situation, she says to consider a person that is late for work and that from that they get to the conclusion that they and their hole family are going to die because of that, later on she tries to show how the black pill is just another scenario of catastrophizing, except that it isn’t as simple, consider first her first example, sure one person who once got late may not get fired because of that, but what about someone that is always late ? In fact forget the whole scenario where this person is employed in the first place, this scenario is already too reassuring to begin with, consider instead someone that is unemployed and has always been and the reason that that is so is amongst other things that they seem to always get late to their work interviews, let’s say that happens because they live in a city that has a serious problem of traffic congestion, since this person has not been able to get a job until now it would not be strange if they accepted that their chances of being able to get a job are low, and if they aren’t able to get a job soon they and their family are soon enough starve to death, of course this put in this way has a simple solution, just wake up early!, but let’s talk about something more real, in Brazil there has been a economic crisis that has subsisted over the last five or so years, and that has generated a somewhat new class of labor force categorization, roughly speaking there are the employed, the unemployed and the dismayed (in portuguese “desalentados”) that have given up on looking for a job and that according to the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics) has estimated to be around 4.8 millions of Brazilians in the last year (2018) estimates. Which only demonstrates how giving up at situations of an overwhelming number of rejections is not some type of silly catastrophizing, it is something more close to a natural reaction towards this ubiquitous presence of rejection, but let’s go back to Natalie's description of the black pill, she begins with saying that experiences of rejection and isolation, where she doesn’t quantify this, making it seem as if it is just some experiences of rejection and isolation and not the only thing one has experienced, then she says one might infer that one’s unattractive to women, what may seem a plausible inference from someone that has had some experiences of rejection but is quite certain for someone who only has experienced this, then she goes on to say that from this one may conclude that they will be attractive to any woman, which again is a very big jump for someone who has had some experiences of rejection, but it is not that big of a inference jump for someone who was only experienced rejection, she then goes on to say things that are not inferences but deductions from the last inference in points 4-You will be forever alone; 5-You will always be Unhappy; and 6-Women did this to you. And then she goes on to talk about some points that can try to explain why would things be in such a way as to allow someone to come at those previous conclusions, that is points 7-feminism empowered women to do this to you; 8-The social trends that made this possible are only getting worse; And then there is that last conclusion that I will take the liberty of rewriting as 9-Humanity itself, as understood to be the association of every human being as equally “human” and therefore equally deserving of existence, nutrition, education, housing, friendships and love; is therefore Doomed. Having reach this conclusion is it really that strange if someone were to begin to think that the only thing that one can do in this overwhelming scenario where one is faced with nothing more than the perception and understanding of impotence towards the status quo of things ? That figuratively, in this scenario of powerlessness, the only thing one can do is to lie down and rot ? She then goes on to make rampant generalizations about how incels could stop being incels, or how she puts it “Mom the shit out of them.”, if they just socialized more, made some friends, ..., and many more standard discriminatory assumptions that people in general make and that they think they have the solution to. But to be frank I don’t dislike completely her video, compared to what other people have said she is almost comprehensive in this video, and if it were not for her latest video on Beauty (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mspMJTNEY) I would probably not being criticizing her now, but in this video she simply tries to justify why when she makes a plastic surgery it is alright, but when it is an incel that does one it is not because of the pressures of society, it is purely because they want to have sex with women and that they think that by doing that they will have their lives become meaningful, not because perhaps they would wish some amount of love in their dispassionate lives, but then again there is that one frase Natalie said in her penultimate video, what was it again ? .... oh, right it was that it’s “just a privileged person with a platform punching down at a politically besieged group he understands nothing about.” (here it has to be noted that her video on Incels is her most seen video.), after all if you can point out to people that never had a relationship how meaningless it all is and how it wouldn’t bring any meaning into your life anyway, is it alright for her then if we just faced every couple head on and said that their affection towards one another is really just a delusion that their relationship will foster them with any meaning in their shallow meaningless lives, just like a proper cynic would do ? I suspect not !


Another problem with Natalie exposition is that a part of the reason that she went through plastic surgery was because she wanted to be more beautiful and attractive, and how she wanted to look more like a woman, but that doesn’t seem to be ethically acceptable, if we were to consider a person who doesn’t like their ethnicity and would wish to make themselves look more like a ethnicity they liked more, would it be ethical to allow this person to pass trough treatments for skin whitening and facial reconstruction just to look more like a given ethnicity, would it not only be the expression of a societal racism that was then internalized by this person, and shouldn’t they be stopped and made understand that ethnicity is simply not something that should characterize anyone as this or that, and that they can in fact be whatever they want without having to reshape themselves to serve the perception of other people ? In this case shouldn’t Natalie just keep herself the way she was because of the same reasons ? What is it that really matters how one sees one’s self or how others see them or how one changes the way they see themselves based on how other people see them? These are difficult questions, but they are questions that demand answers as soon as possible because they are of fundamental importance to guarantee that everything is coherent. You see there was this very famous British mathematician called G.H. Hardy that, tell the stories, hated to look at his own face in the mirror and every time he would travel, he would ask for the hotel to cover all mirrors in his quarters with towels so that he wouldn’t have to keep staring at his own face. Some people today would certainly say that the cause for that is a psychological disorder and that he should go to a psychologist and solve that



Having faced several rejections, the majority of which didn’t provide any constructive criticism, although there were several instances of conveyed disgust, one still has to hear criticism of this sort: “Your belief that you will never find anyone who would love you is absurd, you cannot give up, you just have to keep trying even if it takes a hundred or a thousand tries, once you find someone who accepts you that will be all that will matter and all those rejections will be meaningless.”. Although it is sad to burst the bubble of such a Happy go lucky though, we have to face the facts nevertheless, and the fact is that the more rejections one has the lowest are his chances of actually being accepted by someone, it is just basic probability theory, considering that for any given person the number of attempts to get a girlfriend is too low to estimate the exact probability of him being accepted at any given occasion, we have to use the best expectation of such a result that we can make with the limited number of trials such a person has experienced, and the way to do that is with Bayesian probabilities, that is by the use of Bayes’ Law to update the initial expectations. To better illustrate this I will present an example, let us say that a young and naive boy would like to find the probability of him being accepted or rejected by a girl when he confesses, because he is very naive his first expectation is that there is as much chance of him being accepted as there is of him being rejected as he thinks to himself: “I don’t think there is any particular reason for me being rejected as also there isn’t any for me being accepted.”, and then he experiences his first rejection and says to himself: “Well, although that was sad, according to my expectation that was as probable as any other outcome”. As time goes on he finds that all five of his confessions ended in rejections and thinks to himself that the chances of that would be about 3.1% with the assumptions he had made, it can be that he was just unlucky, but he decides to make use of Bayes’ Law to update his expectation values of acceptance and rejection, since those trials can only result in discrete combinations of yes or no answers and because the number of possible candidates is so large that we can make the small approximation that there is reposition, which implies the need of the use of a binomial distribution to represent the chances of being accepted in a given number of trials, which when put into Bayes' Law, with the use of the Product Law of probabilities, can then be easily shown to be proportional to the initial guess of distribution of the acceptance (or conversely of the rejection) times a beta distribution with a normalization factor, I took the liberty of plotting the graphs for a given initial distribution of the acceptance probability and its evolution as one keeps getting rejected, in blue we have the probability density of the acceptance probability and in green we have the cumulative of such a probability density:




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As one can see there is a clear tendency of the distribution to the right, that means that with every rejection the expected probability of a acceptance gets smaller and smaller, parting from a very conservative initial expectation distribution for the probability of an acceptance with a mean on 50% chance, we get that 15 consecutive rejections, and no acceptance since the beginning, later we have a 70% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 10%; and 20% of chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 2%.

Should one get 20 consecutive rejections with no acceptance since the beginning, we get that there is a 70% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 7%; with a 20% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 1%. It can be shown that this distribution uniformly converges to a class of distributions so called (Bounded) Pareto Distributions, which are sometimes mistakenly said to have the 80% to 20% rule, but this is only the case for exactly one Pareto Distribution and need not be the one we are getting.



I had a friend that once told me he had 34 consecutive rejections since he had begun trying to get a girlfriend, so only for curiosity I made the calculations and there is a 90% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 7%; and a 20% chance that the probability of being accepted is between 0% and 0.7% that is to say that there is a 1/5 chance that on average* only 1 girl out of the next 142 girls he decides to declare to will accept., (*) considering as if the 0.7% were a larger concentration of probabilities, which is not the case, for it is in the 0% that there are bigger concentrations of probabilities. That may not seem soooo bad but we have to consider that we begun with a very naive and unrealistic guess at what the distribution of the acceptance probability would be like, had we begun with a homogeneous distribution or a distribution that was more centered at rejection we would have gotten way worse results. One funny paper that should not be taken as serious because the writer is too picky and his calculations are imprecise and uses outdated data is the paper entitled "Why I will never have a girlfriend" by Tristan Miller wich can be found at his web site at https://logological.org/girlfriend. So if we can take anything from the last exposition is that it doesn't matter if my probabilities are precisely correct what really matters is that if one person were to be completely rational about it's prospects of finding a girlfriend the weight of all the rejections he had ever witnessed are in fact evidences that his chances are not any good, and that with every rejection his percieved chances of success can only get worse.
Bookmarked and will read again. The part where you spoke about the probability of rejections reminds me of when "uninstall" did his 1000 approaches, and of my own time approaching. When you make goals to approach 100 or even ten women, it is not easy, I once had a goal to approach as much as I could until I'd get a date. By the second day I decided to put it aside, not to say I didn't continue asking women out, but without taking your time it is very soul crushing, and will fuck your self esteem all the way up.
Good take on Jordan Peterson btw, I haven't seen him talked about too often here, but he's one of the few men out there who slightly understands our situation. It seems most of the people who dislike us aren't well educated, a lot of scholars are well aware of the rough times a man will go through because of his appearance and don't chalk everything up to personality or chance.

A bunch of people will call you autistic and retarded on this post OP, although many of them have the attention span of a special ed kid with ADHD, meaning they likely barely read your post at all. Good job on the post :feelsokman:
 
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Bookmarked and will read again. The part where you spoke about the probability of rejections reminds me of when "uninstall" did his 1000 approaches, and of my own time approaching. When you make goals to approach 100 or even ten women, it is not easy, I once had a goal to approach as much as I could until I'd get a date. By the second day I decided to put it aside, not to say I didn't continue asking women out, but without taking your time it is very soul crushing, and will fuck your self esteem all the way up.
Good take on Jordan Peterson btw, I haven't seen him talked about too often here, but he's one of the few men out there who slightly understands our situation. It seems most of the people who dislike us aren't well educated, a lot of scholars are well aware of the rough times a man will go through because of his appearance and don't chalk everything up to personality or chance.

A bunch of people will call you autistic and retarded on this post OP, although many of them have the attention span of a special ed kid with ADHD, meaning they likely barely read your post at all. Good job on the post :feelsokman:
I’ll read it after cause my brain is in vegetation hibernation at the moment. But I agree we need more quality well thought out constructive intellectual posts more often in this forum then the occasional drivel spam we encounter very so often which gets far more attention.
 
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I’ll read it after cause my brain is in vegetation hibernation at the moment. But I agree we need more quality well thought out constructive intellectual posts more often in this forum then the occasional drivel spam we encounter very so often which gets far more attention.
Sadly there's a lot more meme posters here, I think they all came from Reddit tbh.
 
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Good post. Read it all.

One suggestion tho, write all this on your personal blog and post the link in your bio.
 
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but there is at least one group of people that this becomes somewhat of a taboo when they are beeing completely honest in the discussion, and those are the people that defend egalitarianism,
People like to argue from how they think the world should be, not how the world is. High IQ post, will keep reading.
 
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therefore we would never really have any egalitarian utopia but only changes of through which medium inequality would arise.
Agreed. Good observstion
This takes me to the question of "do incels belive they are entitled to sex ?" To which my answer would be : not any more than anyone else. I mean think for a minute, when an incel goes to declare himself to someone and ultimately gets rejected, the very rejection could only happen either because this person does not want to be in any relantionship ever, or because the person he declared himself to thinks they are entitled to someone better. Incels are not any more guilty, than they are victims of entitlement.
Very interesting point. Entitlement is only an issue if it is the out group that is entitled. Also, it is a truism to say anyone feels entitled to anything. I think desire and aspiration necessarily lead to or stem from a sense of entitlement however small.
My uncle was what we would call today an incel. Today he is 78 years old and lives a simple retired life, he likes to buy old watches and repair them if so they need and then he sells them at slightly higher prices than for what he purchased, he goes on walks in parks and plays chess.
Good example of what we as a community can do after the blackpill. I've felt suicidal many times, but I am starting to see that there are things that I want to live for that are not woman related.
Could you really get mad at him for resenting those people who always seemed to reject him and also those people that felt bad for seeing the contrast between their lives and that of my friend and “mercifully” decided to offer him some time of emotional charity by arranging a date with some single woman they knew, only to not have to witness the loneliness of others.
One of IT's fundamental mistakes is thinking that the resentment and negative attitudes produce our failures in dating and not the other way around; that our failures beat us down.
 
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So if we can take anything from the last exposition is that it doesn't matter if my probabilities are precisely correct what really matters is that if one person were to be completely rational about it's prospects of finding a girlfriend the weight of all the rejections he had ever witnessed are in fact evidences that his chances are not any good, and that with every rejection his percieved chances of success can only get worse.
Never thought I'd see baysian stats on here. Also, it's funny how most of the people who say 'keep trying, it gets better' don't have the problem we do and haven't had the soul crushing experience of consecutive rejections. Mathematically, it's over.

Will read part 2 later
 
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19,000+ words. That's a lot to digest.
 
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Didn’t read
 
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OP was part of mk ultra, he knew too much so men in black kidnapped him and are keeping him at area 51
 
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>be greycel
>lurk beyond all possible limits
>become more enlightened than any other user
>make 4 posts
>mog every other forum user
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>profit.


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Best greycel thread of all time
 
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I’ll read it after cause my brain is in vegetation hibernation at the moment. But I agree we need more quality well thought out constructive intellectual posts more often in this forum then the occasional drivel spam we encounter very so often which gets far more attention.
What we need is mid-length posts. Anybody who needs to write an essay to get their point across generally isn't high IQ it's just mental masturbation. If they need to write that much then they know how to format it generally so it's readable. Mensa_IQcel is someone who's just using it to troll the forum/get reactions.
 
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I have no words. Thank you for sharing this. I hope you dont mind if i PM you.

Keep writing if you can please. Dont leave.
 
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Not digestible at all, try to be more concise next time.

I'm about to sleep so I will read later, hope it is high IQ.