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Of course where would would be without iphones and funko pops. America is more than capable of being self sufficient, the country is fucking huge. You just dont want to be forced back to live with your fellow shitskins

America was self sufficient

The Jews moved all the companies off shore

I could care less if all the whites wanted to make their own state

I’m just saying the quality of life in it would be terrible :feelsjuice:
 
not less NOTHING

See me above post
Ok so nothing is made here then why do we need minority's working in our border's if we just get everything we need from trade from other nations or company's working abroad?
Why not just have whites staff the few needed jobs instead and return ethnics to there homelands if we don't need them to produce anything. If anything you're making a ethnostate seem even more practical.
You're literally making no since
 
Ok so nothing is made here then why do we need minority's working in our border's if we just get everything we need from trade from other nations or company's working abroad?
Why not just have whites staff the few needed jobs instead and return ethnics to there homelands if we don't need them to produce anything. If anything you're making a ethnostate seem even more practical.
You're literally making no since
No you just don’t see what is going on all the jobs here are service

Plus whites don’t like doing meanial labor that’s why you ship Mexicans up every summer to pick food

Read all my posts if you don’t got a better picture of what I’m saying then, then an ethnostate with you in it would fail miserably :feelsjuice:
 
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No you just don’t see what is going on all the jobs here are service

Plus whites don’t like doing meanial labor that’s why you ship Mexicans up every summer to pick food
Whites want to be paid a fair wage, theyll do anything if the pay is right
 
Plus whites don’t like doing meanial labor that’s why you ship Mexicans up every summer to pick food
Man mexicans don’t actually do anything, they’re just imported to vote Democrat. The farmers are all white and in the Midwest. I’d be a farmer ffs. I wanna be on some land with a car and a rifle in the back donating the local fascist militia food with my wife producing my kids in the basement, can’t a nigga just have that?
 
Plus whites don’t like doing meanial labor that’s why you ship Mexicans up every summer to pick food
More like jews want to lower wages.
Either way whites have done menial labor for centuries even in this country. You mean to tell me if there was decent pay that a white's wouldn't do it? I know plenty of whites who would do or have done farming, construction, landscaping, and tons of other blue collar work.
Why do we need Hispanics to do it for us other then companies driving down wages?
 
Why won’t shitskins read my post :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: :feelsUnreal: This isn’t civilized in any sense
Theyre not here to debate or engage. Of course you are correct, though like the parasites they are they know it is not in their immediate interest to have to go back where they came from so they fling shit on the wall and hope we give up. The same liberal order that empowers women with infinite value in the sexual marketplace is the same liberal order that enables our country to be filled with these bitter shitskins. This is a problem that will never be reconciled on this forum
 
wont read fuck off stormcuck
 
Man mexicans don’t actually do anything, they’re just imported to vote Democrat. The farmers are all white and in the Midwest. I’d be a farmer ffs. I wanna be on some land with a car and a rifle in the back donating the local fascist militia food with my wife producing my kids in the basement, can’t a nigga just have that?
You could but it would be a decrease in the standard of life that’s all I’m saying
 
Whites are immigrants to America. If you want your white ethnostate ,go back to Europe first.
 
Whites are immigrants to America. If you want your white ethnostate ,go back to Europe first.
I mean, I personally I see rightful land ownership goes to who ever fought and won a war for the land or through diplomatic agreement i.e buying it like in the Louisiana purchase.
French and British fought and negotiated with the natives for the land and thus it's was there's and then white Americans fought the British for the land and independence and thus it's ours.

That being said I'm sure most white nationalist including me would be more then willing to leave for Europe if all the countries where for whites only.
 
I mean, I personally I see rightful land ownership goes to who ever fought and won a war for the land or through diplomatic agreement i.e buying it like in the Louisiana purchase.
French and British fought and negotiated with the natives for the land and thus it's was there's and then white Americans fought the British for the land and independence and thus it's ours.

That being said I'm sure most white nationalist including me would be more then willing to leave for Europe if all the countries where for whites only.
By that logic ,every powerful nation can just take land from weaker nations and genocide the native people there. And we are just OK with that.
And stronger persons can take weaker persons' land too and kill the weaker ones. As long as he fought the weaker one and won against him.
 
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By that logic ,every powerful nation can just take land from weaker nations and genocide the native people there
I mean yes, that has happened many of times through history. That's how rome got so big is that they conquer the tribes of the region and then integrate the people into roman society and thus erasing there history.
And we are just OK with that.
That's just how history go's unfortunately, there are victors and losers.
When was the last time you heard of France vs the last time you heard savoy?
 
Whites are immigrants to America. If you want your white ethnostate ,go back to Europe first.
I'm actually not against dissolving the USA and giving natives their own little shithole homeland (Although it would collapse because indians are entirely reliant on the US and white peoples money), then moving the aryans to the Northwest (northwest territorial imperative), the south can have both blacks and whites but in segregation like jim crow, and the rest of the US can idk just be the same.
By that logic ,every powerful nation can just take land from weaker nations and genocide the native people there. And we are just OK with that.
Yes, might makes right. If your tribe has 500000 BC technology and I rek you with 3 guys and build the biggest economic and industrial hubs ontop of your hut I should be able to keep it. This is America, not Native America. No indians at the founding fathers convention. We fucking raped some tribes people living in huts with clubs, boo hoo.
 
Yes, might makes right. If your tribe has 500000 BC technology and I rek you with 3 guys and build the biggest economic and industrial hubs ontop of your hut I should be able to keep it. This is America, not Native America. No indians at the founding fathers convention. We fucking raped some tribes people living in huts with clubs, boo hoo.
I agree, morals aren’t real and might does make right. But you should of killed off all ethnics and have the world for yourself. Then we ethnics could maybe spiritualmaxx in the spiritual plane.

You could have an all white earth.
 
If whites were less civil and less empathetic, the entire world would be white.
 
i don't care if polish women is dating ethnic man, but i wouldn't want to date women who was 'used' by them
 
Whites are immigrants to America. If you want your white ethnostate ,go back to Europe first
Whites pioneered and conquered america. The idea that whites were mere immigrants is meant to delegitimize our claim to the land.
By that logic ,every powerful nation can just take land from weaker nations and genocide the native people there. And we are just OK with that.
And stronger persons can take weaker persons' land too and kill the weaker ones. As long as he fought the weaker one and won against him.
Spoken like a true asshole ignorant of all history before this century.
The only reason ethnics aside from the Natives are in this country was to fill labor shortages

no, theyre here to lower wages and dilute/displace the White population
 
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On this forum, like any other forum or community, there are progressive agents of judaism present in order to dissuade white incels (and incels in general) from the far right.
I'm here because I'm an incel. I don't know why you're here but count me out for your race war or whatever you're on about.
 
you cant be a nationalist if ur race is shit and the biggest goys out their, fuck it, the only way is a techno master race, or better yet utter destruction of being itself, im tired of the torment of social approval and torturous thinking and how everything that is good contradicts another thing that is good, idk we are all slaves to social approval, fuck
if u hate everything and everyone, even our own white people, why dont u just sui?

personally i dont think our genes are that much better than other genes, but our culture is and i just hate islamic culture and and orthodox jews and communism thats why i am anti immigration

but i dont mind ethnics, women will always choose superior genes anyway, so if they actually 'pollute' our genetics, foids will take care of it by neglecting them the next few generations
if we do eugenics i say we rather chemically castrate all bullies and mentally disabled people (IQ lower than 1 SD from average).
but just the men.
the foids we keep for breeding for the remaining men.
 
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They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do).

Who do you think you are, to decide who has the right to live and who has the right to die ? Mentally disabled people have the right to live. Anyone saying things like you do have severe mental problems on a psychopath-style. you have no empathy and you believe you can decide who is a human and who is not. That's disgusting. i don't know which way you've followed to gain such putrid ideas, but I don't recommend anyone to become so narcissic and lacking empathy like you.

Even more ridiculous and cope at a continental-scale when you believe far-right at power would grant you anything more. They would spit on your face and say go to work. You're so immature about so many things that I come to the conclusion that your brain stopped evolving at age 11.
 
Who do you think you are, to decide who has the right to live and who has the right to die ? Mentally disabled people have the right to live. Anyone saying things like you do have severe mental problems on a psychopath-style. you have no empathy and you believe you can decide who is a human and who is not. That's disgusting. i don't know which way you've followed to gain such putrid ideas, but I don't recommend anyone to become so narcissic and lacking empathy like you.
it’s only natural. You are the cruel one, for wanting to keep such specimens alive.

View: https://youtu.be/gwNQqnEYMXw

Watch this whole video and tell me that’s someone who is better off alive than dead. You fucking can’t. I have empathy for those that have not fucked me over and I have empathy for the people I want to euthanize. Killing the ones who are nothing but breathing corpses is the humane thing, but as for coal burners or progressives I have no empathy towards them and would have no problem being the person to deal with it.
Even more ridiculous and cope at a continental-scale when you believe far-right at power would grant you anything more.
They would, hence why I support them.
They would spit on your face and say go to work.
No, but they would tell everyone to work. I don’t care about working, as long as I have a wife and the nation is white and right (which will all be true).
You're so immature about so many things that I come to the conclusion that your brain stopped evolving at age 11.
Cope, you’re deluded. Your nation right now is being ran over by non whites and you are sitting here in complete delusion. How do you feel that migrants are moving in by the millions, leeching off of welfare and your tax money while killing your fellow countrymen and eroding your history? When the progressive paramilitaries show up to kill all the whites I hope you think long and hard before they chop your head off or make you kneel for BLM about how “b-b-but atleast I’m not a Nazi!!!”.
 
I just don't understand how can people take pride in something that they have no part in or any influence but just coming out from some cunt's vagina by some genetic accident.
 
Because Whites aren't the most superior in every aspect. You could argue Jews are superior to Whites because there's a lot of Jews that have lots of money and are in positions of power. That doesn't make sense though. You could argue that East Asians are superior in the East, and superior intellectually. There are many factors that determine what makes one group of people better and more successful than another. I don't think White people are superhumans.
 
On this forum, like any other forum or community, there are progressive agents of judaism present in order to dissuade white incels (and incels in general) from the far right. Weather that be Fascism (Which doesn't have to be race based hint hint ethnics reading), White/Racial nationalism, or any other collection of far right beliefs. In this thread I will be debunking the ones I've seen. "This isn't inceldom dicussion" it is, because similar race/political threads have been made, and this is going to be a launching point into another thread about why all incels should join the bulwark against progressivism and why all incels should have far right leanings. Think of this thread as a launching platform and as a prologue to a bigger thread. With all that said, I advise you even if you disagree with my viewpoints to read the thread because your arguments could be here.


Argument #1: "Your race/your women/your people don't like you"
This argument comes from a place of (I think) literal translation but its false, and its insane how far this argument has gone being false. Collectivist ideologies do not agree with ALL of the collective. Communists in a communist society will disagree with some workers, same with fascism. Nationalists (regular) do not like the progressives in the collective. Just because I want an ethnostate doesn't mean I want everyone from my race in my ethnostate and everyone in my race will agree with my ethnostate. Which is why white nationalism (or any racial nationalism) is literally anti 95% of the white (or of any races) population. It is not suppose to be a blanket on all whites, just the white nationalism whites.

The reason its called white nationalism isn't because white nationalists agree with every white person in existence, but because they want a nation of just whites. If their rules involve the genocide of 99.9% of white people in existence but the .1% all live in the collective and can still be an ethnostate then they are still white nationalist. You can apply this to any racial nationalism btw. Most whites hate me and any far right person yes, but they are not white nationalists or far right, and any far right ideology involves a purging of the "most whites" (progressives).


Argument #2: "Society hates you! Why are you on their side?"
Again, this is an argument taken from a literal translation and is more for regular nationalists but I'll still debunk it and its pretty much for the same reasons argument #1 is false. Just because you are a nationalist doesn't mean you like the current society. You do like the concept of your nation but not the way its heading or has headed. Most nationalists are actually insurrectionary because they understand their nation (heritage and values) are being eroded. being a nationalist simply means you like the concept of your nation and its foundation. French nationalists longing to go back to the politics and social attitudes of the french revolution for example, or American nationalists wanting to go back to a "golden age" like the 50's. I don't think I need to explain why I hate society but I can guarantee you it is the furthest from right wing you can get as of currently.

Argument #3: "You are simping for Aryan women/Women/you're a tradcuck/something about women."
Unlike the last 2 arguments I don't really know where this one came from, my guess is that this was astroturfed to the further right after the whole conservative tradthot lauren southern problem. I should say that most far right (note: NOT regular right i.e conservatives or nationalists) see women as stupid and they want to repeal women's rights (see white sharia). Although there are a few fascistic or far right groups that are cucks for women, they are not all and not even a majority. The "tradthot" problem is not far right but is more align with conservatism and nationalism and regular right wing politics. This is why a majority of right wing organizations are entirely men.

Argument #4: "Well if (facists/whitenationalists/nazis/etc.) cared about you, they would throw foids your way!"
This assumes that they are in power when they are not. It should not be a surprise to you that the Nazi party of America, with 5,000 members, cannot give its members foids to fuck. That's because it's a small 5,000 member group (90-95-99% male) and not the nation. When they do get into power this argument can be used, but it will not need to be used as these ideologies when they get into power will distribute women as per their manifesto points.

Argument #5: Eugenicism. "Well you're subhuman/you support eugenics/nazis are eugenicists etc."
This argument comes from historical revisionism and a grouping of the far right. The nazis were not really eugenic, I mean one look at their cabinet will tell you that. They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do). Even if the nazis were insanely eugenicist and really did want only blonde hair blue eye 6'7 giants and they killed everyone else, that still doesn't take away non nazi far right groups. I mean even fascism in its form doesn't advocate for eugenics, and neither does certain sects of national socialism. It definitely doesn't come near white nationalism either. You are conflating the nazis to mean every single hyper right wing group, something liberals frequently do.

And with that last sentence I will actually leave off on this. All of these arguments are to an extent astroturfed by progressives, especially arguments 1 and 5, and it's kind of weird to see something that I expect to see on buzzfeed or vice be argued about on here. It really does make you think...What else on this forum could have a progressive or liberal origin? You're not ready for that, but I can tell you that there's more progressive and liberal influence here than you like to think.

If you're wondering why "politics is cope" isn't here, I will be making a seperate thread talking about how politics isn't a cope and how we all should be bulwarks against progressivism.

Any other arguments I am free to answer for and debunk, although knowing the people here many of you will look at the title and type something already covered in the thread. @ting people I've seen using these arguments and other farrightcels to confirm
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Good post but you are assuming several things, the most important one is the willingness of the far right to do woman distribution or any other help at all for the incel cause, which I have never seen the far right do, you are assuming every male or a big number of them in the far right want that but will stay silent about that until they all take the power.

Even if all this assumption ends up being right, people ends up doing different actions from their ideology when in practice, in the ethnostate most males will just want more than one woman if they have the chance and will end up fucking over low status males, inceldom comes from before even there was any problem with races, money or jews, genetic studies show that we only descend from a few males, throught time there were massive wipe out of the male population or acumulation of woman to a single man, this repeats several time throught history.

Ultimatelly if most far right males want redistribution of woman making propaganda that is not sincere with the ultimate goal of the political movement is a very jewish behavior, lying will only work in a mass media system like the one we have now, I personally will never lie as it seems contraproductive when trying to fix a problem as it will only lead to the generation of more problems to fix.

It looks to me that the far right have no interest in incel issues and you are trying to get in and maybe shift their interest to yours which you could have done in whatever other place but you are more confortable there in the far right sphere or you just care more about your race than your own needs or you are oblivious about these needs.
 
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These are some good points, but you're not going to change the minds of brainwashed monkeys. They're hopeless.
 
I just don't understand how can people take pride in something that they have no part in or any influence but just coming out from some cunt's vagina by some genetic accident.
Its human nature to take pride in your heritage and honor your ancestors. Only this sick materialistic world we live in today where people only concern themselves with frivolities has that notion started to deteriorate
 
Its human nature to take pride in your heritage and honor your ancestors. Only this sick materialistic world we live in today where people only concern themselves with frivolities has that notion started to deteriorate
Nonetheless human nature or not it is dumb and very lame coping mechanism.
 
I am already right leaning and hate progressivism. But there is a completely different set of reasons why white nationalism can never work
 
Why specifically race? I wouldn't mind if all men that aren't at least 110 IQ or above + blackpilled (or the ability to become blackpilled once exposed to it) would be painlessly euthanized. They are basically NPC's to me. However, if someone is both 110 IQ and blackpilled (or could be blackpilled when exposed to the blackpill) I consider that man a human being. Regardless of race.

I can relate more to an ugly incel 4/10 PSL black that is +110 IQ and blackpilled than a mindless narcissistic low IQ NPC white Chad. Imo guns, germs and steel perfectly explains why some races developed more advanced civilizations. Its pure evolution because of different climates. Put a group of subsaharan nomads somewhere in central Europe for a few thousand years and they'd be high IQ.

Foids on the other hand are irredeemable because of their hypergamic nature and after several millenia of forced looksmatch monogamy they still evolved (it probably takes tens of thousands of years to evolve, if it's possible at all).
 
There is literally no reason for white men to not be far-right.

Also not everything is about sex. Even if I would always be incel, I would rather be incel in a based conservative ethnostate than in this degenerate Jewish society.
 
Imagine if we had a society where the races were territorially segregated. No more whites stealing the women of asian men, no more blacks stealing the women of white men.
 
So there are German Jews, Danish Jews, Russian Jews, Polish Jews etc. ...
Wrong, by Jews' own admission, there are Jews living in Germany, Jews living in Denmark, Jews living in Russia, Jews living in Poland etc...

Jews have no loyalty to their country, only to their ingroup, whether it's religious or genetic is irrelevant
 
Anything that goes against LOGOS is unnatural, therefore contrarian leftism is a mental illness.
 
Wrong, by Jews' own admission, there are Jews living in Germany, Jews living in Denmark, Jews living in Russia, Jews living in Poland etc...

Jews have no loyalty to their country, only to their ingroup, whether it's religious or genetic is irrelevant
These days I see no distinction being made between a Jew and someone of entirely European descent ... even in DNA-tests they put "Jews" in the "European" category.

In Europe the average person considers "Jewish" to be a religion, not an ethnicity, so they think it's just like being a Christian or a Muslim. So there are German Jews, Danish Jews, Russian Jews, Polish Jews etc. ...

That's the general opinion over here, so I wonder what it's like in the US.

^ copy pasted cause you were too lazy to read, don't mention it.
 
These days I see no distinction being made between a Jew and someone of entirely European descent ... even in DNA-tests they put "Jews" in the "European" category.

In Europe the average person considers "Jewish" to be a religion, not an ethnicity, so they think it's just like being a Christian or a Muslim. So there are German Jews, Danish Jews, Russian Jews, Polish Jews etc. ...

That's the general opinion over here, so I wonder what it's like in the US.

^ copy pasted cause you were too lazy to read, don't mention it.
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The Jews thrive on you not identifying them. That’s why naming them is so important, when you lump them with a bigger race that’s exactly what they want. That’s why the people here to adamant that they’re somehow white (despite being closer to Arabs genetically) are so dangerous.
 
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The Jews thrive on you not identifying them. That’s why naming them is so important, when you lump them with a bigger race that’s exactly what they want. That’s why the people here to adamant that they’re somehow white (despite being closer to Arabs genetically) are so dangerous.
It always depends on the individual Jew.

I wouldn't think this guy was Jewish if I didn't have a good eye for the Jewish look:

Shahak


Most people would consider him a German, a true "aryan", blonde, tall, blue-eyed, White skin ... but he is a Jew, and you can see it in the eyes. The look is a bit sneaky. He's predominantly nordic, but still a Jew.

Gnther


This man, on the other hand, is no Jew but an Armenian.

Race never equals nationality or ethnicity, which is why even DNA-tests are to be taken with a grain of salt. For example, I'm 35% Greek according to a DNA-test, but I'm still (dark) blonde and blue-eyed. DNA-tests can not test your race, and your race is far more important than whatever some Jew says about your ancestry informative markers.

(All these DNA-testing companies are owned by Jews, as we know) ...
 
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Who do you think you are, to decide who has the right to live and who has the right to die ? Mentally disabled people have the right to live. Anyone saying things like you do have severe mental problems on a psychopath-style. you have no empathy and you believe you can decide who is a human and who is not. That's disgusting. i don't know which way you've followed to gain such putrid ideas, but I don't recommend anyone to become so narcissic and lacking empathy like you.

Even more ridiculous and cope at a continental-scale when you believe far-right at power would grant you anything more. They would spit on your face and say go to work. You're so immature about so many things that I come to the conclusion that your brain stopped evolving at age 11.
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it’s only natural. You are the cruel one, for wanting to keep such specimens alive.

View: https://youtu.be/gwNQqnEYMXw

Watch this whole video and tell me that’s someone who is better off alive than dead. You fucking can’t. I have empathy for those that have not fucked me over and I have empathy for the people I want to euthanize. Killing the ones who are nothing but breathing corpses is the humane thing, but as for coal burners or progressives I have no empathy towards them and would have no problem being the person to deal with it.

holy fuck that video is disturbing as fuck and it takes a lot to disturb me :feelswhat: absolutely disgusting. look at that faggot milking the retard being 'compassionate' for youtube views. he needs to be beaten and the retard euthanized. the fuck is wrong with normies
 

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