[Serious] Biggest problem for many of us is we'd just like to be loved by a woman like a man loves a woman

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Admiral
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TFM had an interesting insight about this stuff after a man who got blackpilled by him sent him an e-mail where he announced he would have roped this week-end because of the incapability to cope with this blackpill awareness.
Simply put: even if we could restore "the patriarchy" overnight life will still taste like shit and the same will be for "love" since we would basically just be in damage control by removing women from every single political power. It would be a mathematical action in order to make the average woman dependant thus attracted to the average man but many of us wouldn't find that emotionally satisfying.
Even if we just woke up as gigachad tomorrow BUT with our blackpill awareness that won't prevent us from feeling pain knowing how and why women feel attraction toward us.

We just would like to be loved in that forgiving/paternalistic/compassionate/ protective way in which a man loves a woman. Obviously i'm talking for myself and many others here not for everyone but i would feel extreme pain in the soul knowing that the girlfriend who is having such a great time with me with whom i'm sharing so many experiences would just stop loving me immediately if i was shorter, poorer or with a small dick (it just would taste like shit and not like the real love we crave).

The biggest blackpill is exactly this: it's much more realistic to hope to get a fucking gigastacy than to get a woman who loves us that way and this awareness is something very painfull to live with (especially at a relative young age)
 
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Women love what you can do for them, not who you are. Even with chad they like because of how he makes them feel. Even he has to do something, even if it's primal.
 
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Yeah this is exactly why I don't think most of us would be happy with a girl who's forced to be with us by circumstance. The only way most guys will get genuine love is if a robot is made.
 
CopingJim

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Only chads get to experience love from foids and even then that goes away when a chadier chad appears or the current chad gets older and she goes young chad hunting again (married and looking 4 fun)

Get a dog if you want to experience something like love. Thats gonna be as close to it as you're gonna get as an unattractive male.
 
WarriorSkull

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Nah. You're brain cares far less about WHY things are happening rather THAT they are happening. Your subconscious reacts to positive stimulus. A person maintaining eye contact, smiling at you, laughing at your jokes, paying you compliments, calling you out of the blue, remembering your birthday, trying to cheer you up when you're down - your brain responds positively to all these types of things without your consent. Humans need a fairly steady source of these things to consider themselves as generally "happy with their lives". You really don't need a woman to love you - you need a woman who acts like she loves you. The difference between the two is indistinguishable to your brain.
 
Personalityinkwell

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I think our biggest problem for us is that we're ugly.
 
Uglyme

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Women can't feel love
 
Cybersex is our hope

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Nah. You're brain cares far less about WHY things are happening rather THAT they are happening. Your subconscious reacts to positive stimulus. A person maintaining eye contact, smiling at you, laughing at your jokes, paying you compliments, calling you out of the blue, remembering your birthday, trying to cheer you up when you're down - your brain responds positively to all these types of things without your consent. Humans need a fairly steady source of these things to consider themselves as generally "happy with their lives". You really don't need a woman to love you - you need a woman who acts like she loves you. The difference between the two is indistinguishable to your brain.
False. At least for me. I'll never be able to love a girl that says f eks that dick size matters since i'll keep thinking all day that that bitch would leave me and stop feeling attracted and passionate about me if i magically had a smaller dick. I just couldn't live with that. I'm pretty good at analizing myself so i can tell this is 100% true (again: for me)
love isn't real
I was making a totally different point but ok
Women can't feel love
This is what i said. No sense comment
I think our biggest problem for us is that we're ugly.
No. My biggest problem is the awareness i developed about women by being sub8+asperger (aka by having deficiencies). Even if i woke up as a NT rich chad my problems won't go away as i would still feel disgusted by foids nature and their attraction to me would feel no different than escortcelling at that point
 
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This guy gets it

That's why we need genetically engineered artificially birthed waifus who will be monogamous and love us for who we are
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Yeah this is exactly why I don't think most of us would be happy with a girl who's forced to be with us by circumstance. The only way most guys will get genuine love is if a robot is made.
What many here don't want to understand is that even turning into a Chad won't fix our psychological problems since we already took the blackpill
 
Cybersex is our hope

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This guy gets it

That's why we need genetically engineered artificially birthed waifus who will be monogamous and love us for who we are
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We must take a step forward in natural selection and just turn women into men and become monomorphic like Lemurs/titi monkeys. Sexual dimorphism and female hypergamy are a burden for a civil society
Women don't love, they lust
Again: this is what i said
Women love what you can do for them, not who you are. Even with chad they like because of how he makes them feel. Even he has to do something, even if it's primal.
Yes. This is waht i was saying. We'd just like to be love the way women are loved and that is nearly impossible
 
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We must take a step forward in natural selection and just turn women into men and become monomorphic like Lemurs/titi monkeys. Sexual dimorphism and female hypergamy are a burden for a civil society

Again: this is what i said

Yes. This is waht i was saying. We'd just like to be love the way women are loved and that is nearly impossible
Don't need to remove Sexual dimorphism and become monomorphic. There are many monogamous animals ( some birds come to my mind ). We could study them and transplant the appropriate genes in humans. We could rewire the brain to make women like hard-working men with nice personalities. No need to go that far.
 
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Obviously i'm talking for myself and many others here not for everyone but i would feel extreme pain in the soul knowing that the girlfriend who is having such a great time with me with whom i'm sharing so many experiences would just stop loving me immediately if i was shorter, poorer or with a small dick
tbh .
it's much more realistic to hope to get a fucking gigastacy than to get a woman who loves us
you will only get that "love" from a virgin and preferably a jailbait . but that love will faid when she get old . but you can enjoy it for your first 10 years with her tbh ngl
Even if we just woke up as gigachad tomorrow BUT with our blackpill awareness that won't prevent us from feeling pain knowing how and why women feel attraction toward us
woman can never love you , she is simply using you to get stimulated by your masculine self and get validated by you when you "love her "
love isn't real
tbh
 
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@Cybersex is our hope
Yea I understand your feelings and after rereading the OP I see I misunderstood what was being said.

Edit: Rereading a 3rd time, the OP actually says 2 different things IMO. The first part is about women choosing you due to having less choice, while the second part is about women not loving you for who you are, but what you are. My first post is in response the first thing, not the second
 
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Cybersex is our hope

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Don't need to remove Sexual dimorphism and become monomorphic. There are many monogamous animals ( some birds come to my mind ). We could study them and transplant the appropriate genes in humans. We could rewire the brain to make women like hard-working men with nice personalities. No need to go that far.
That would be like traditional societies. I want wome to love me like a man would
 
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Yes guys i think i got it but i was pointing out at how men and women feel affection differently
 
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high iq af.

We're essentially chasing something that doesn't exist. Women can only really love their children. In a relationship, you have to be on top of your game 24/7. No let ups or else she'll leave. This is why its over from the start. If you cannot get women for Short term relationships, hookups, Flings, etc. its over.

Be born Chad or die trying.
 
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high iq af.

We're essentially chasing something that doesn't exist. Women can only really love their children. In a relationship, you have to be on top of your game 24/7. No let ups or else she'll leave. This is why its over from the start. If you cannot get women for Short term relationships, hookups, Flings, etc. its over.

Be born Chad or die trying.
Exactly. I'll never cope with the basic fact that even with a GF i'd still be a mean to an end for her (genetics, children, resources, house, emotional support etc...) and never the real object of her love (basically a tool with emotions). I would immediately trade a 9/10 stacy who is very NT and love me in that utilitarian way with a fucking sub6 who is mentally a freak of nature and so can love me intrinsically. Problem is getting that 9/10 stacy is actually more realistic.

Also you have to be born a Chad and average IQ and start fucking soon and a lot (or finding a stable gf) so that you won't notice patterns and ask yourself questions. Even if we woke up rich chads tomorrow many of us will still feel pain thinking how the female nature works and how and why women now love us
 
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the lover loves that which is in existence.The lover will love something because that something is that specific something.Even if you were chad you would be loved not because you are merely man but because you are man+good looks etc etc.Very few people love man because he is merely man.Only saints are capable of this(ofc the holy trinity and the angels also can but they are not man)
 
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the lover loves that which is in existence.The lover will love something because that something is that specific something.Even if you were chad you would be loved not because you are merely man but because you are man+good looks etc etc.Very few people love man because he is merely man.Only saints are capable of this(ofc the holy trinity and the angels also can but they are not man)
Man this is exactly what i was saying. A chad is simply a man who can be usefull to women using only his looks and genetics. They are a tiny minority but they are still somehow loved conditionally
@Cybersex is our hope
Yea I understand your feelings and after rereading the OP I see I misunderstood what was being said.

Edit: Rereading a 3rd time, the OP actually says 2 different things IMO. The first part is about women choosing you due to having less choice, while the second part is about women not loving you for who you are, but what you are. My first post is in response the first thing, not the second
Yes and we agree on that: women love what you can do for them and how you can be usefull to them
 
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Man this is exactly what i was saying. A chad is simply a man who can be usefull to women using only his looks and genetics. They are a tiny minority but they are still somehow loved conditionally
Nothing can be loved *unconditionally*.We live in a world of values.Man knows that bleach is different from coca cola.Man knows that earth is different from water.Everything has a *number* so to speak.Man was created to operate and to follow the good.he was not made to be a nonsensical,logical impossibility.
 
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Nothing can be loved *unconditionally*.We live in a world of values.Man knows that bleach is different from coca cola.Man knows that earth is different from water.Everything has a *number* so to speak.Man was created to operate and to follow the good.he was not made to be a nonsensical,logical impossibility.
Women and children are. Men desire women a lot and want to protect them and help them. The same can't be said about women toward men. It's quite easy
 
Billowel

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Women and children are. Men desire women a lot and want to protect them and help them. The same can't be said about women toward men. It's quite easy
Man loves women,but we only love them because they are *women*.Also we don't love them unconditionally.If something better comes along we will be tempted and we will follow that temptation if we think it's worth it.Women only love chad we all know that but don't assume that us man are any different.we only love females because we think they are worthy of love and affection.We man don't go around kissing and loving dirt,books etc etc.because we don't find them to be good.
 
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Don't need to remove Sexual dimorphism and become monomorphic. There are many monogamous animals ( some birds come to my mind ). We could study them and transplant the appropriate genes in humans. We could rewire the brain to make women like hard-working men with nice personalities. No need to go that far.
Science has disproven this. Even monogamous birds will go get sicretly dicked by chad, than come back.
 
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Man loves women,but we only love them because they are *women*.Also we don't love them unconditionally.If something better comes along we will be tempted and we will follow that temptation if we think it's worth it.Women only love chad we all know that but don't assume that us man are any different.we only love females because we think they are worthy of love and affection.We man don't go around kissing and loving dirt,books etc etc.because we don't find them to be good.
Sorry you are bitching about nothing. Men love women in a much more protective intrinsic way th vice versa. Period
 
Lame Dude

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Sorry you are bitching about nothing. Men love women in a much more protective intrinsic way th vice versa. Period
I think @Billowel has a point. If foids were basically throwing themselves at you, wouldnt you be tempted to cheat, even if you were invested in another? Thats basically everyday, for foids.

Foids refusing to fuck you, isnt you keeping your dick in check.
 
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I think @Billowel has a point. If foids were basically throwing themselves at you, wouldnt you be tempted to cheat, even if you were invested in another? Thats basically everyday, for foids.

Foids refusing to fuck you, isnt you keeping your dick in check.
I was trying to say to op that we love people for what they are.If the person has more of what we already love *beauty*,*kindness* etc etc then we would want them.Some man will be able to keep the thought of this superior women away,since they know that the higher the girl is in the scale the harder it would be to keep her,and for a few other reasons.But deep down he knows it ,and the feeling will always be there.he might flee from the thought so as to not make it incredibly vivid,but he knows it.
Man even if he gets a perfect women he will always thirst for more since he is *incomplete*.Christians believe that only god can complete man for he is the totality of everything that is perfect,good etc etc.Marriage is
a concession
as the apostle said and everyone here is coping hard by thinking that after getting some random girl to fuck and marry them,that all of a sudden everything will be perfect(in the strictest sense of the word).
 
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Man even if he gets a perfect women he will always thirst for more since he is *incomplete*.Christians believe that only god can complete man for he is the totality of everything that is perfect,good etc etc.Marriage is
a concession
as the apostle said and everyone here is coping hard by thinking that after getting some random girl to fuck and marry them,that all of a sudden everything will be perfect(in the strictest sense of the word).
Personally I disagree. Sure, getting a woman will not prevent me being attracted to others. And if there is an opportunity I am sure many will take it. I would like to believe I wouldnt put myself in such a position. Nobody is going to know, right? I will know. And my guilt would probably be enough to ruin my fantasy family and relationship. Why would I ruin something that I have invested so much in? For ten minutes of sugar?

This is similar to delayed gratification test for children.
5 minutes of alone time with a marshmallow in an empty room. If you eat it, thats all you get. If you dont, you get three later.
 
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Nah. You're brain cares far less about WHY things are happening rather THAT they are happening. Your subconscious reacts to positive stimulus. A person maintaining eye contact, smiling at you, laughing at your jokes, paying you compliments, calling you out of the blue, remembering your birthday, trying to cheer you up when you're down - your brain responds positively to all these types of things without your consent. Humans need a fairly steady source of these things to consider themselves as generally "happy with their lives". You really don't need a woman to love you - you need a woman who acts like she loves you. The difference between the two is indistinguishable to your brain.
Is that why dating sims and girlfriend ASMR vids are so popular?
 
Billowel

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Personally I disagree. Sure, getting a woman will not prevent me being attracted to others. And if there is an opportunity I am sure many will take it. I would like to believe I wouldnt put myself in such a position. Nobody is going to know, right? I will know. And my guilt would probably be enough to ruin my fantasy family and relationship. Why would I ruin something that I have invested so much in? For ten minutes of sugar?

This is similar to delayed gratification test for children.
5 minutes of alone time with a marshmallow in an empty room. If you eat it, thats all you get. If you dont, you get three later.

*Some man will be able to keep the thought of this superior women away,since they know that the higher the girl is in the scale the harder it would be to keep her,and for a few other reasons*.that's why i said this.Sorry if i wasn't clearer.I can barely write and writing about these issues is always hard due to how complicated they are.normies don't throw a good deal out of the door so soon..A hot girl is a hot girl but as you said 10 minutes is 10 minutes and not a lifetime...Some normies think they can get away and do it while others don't and blah blah blah blah.it's complicated since everyone has their own *value* so to speak,so we have to analyse the people and their circumstances etc etc.
 
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*Some man will be able to keep the thought of this superior women away,since they know that the higher the girl is in the scale the harder it would be to keep her,and for a few other reasons*.that's why i said this.Sorry if i wasn't clearer..it's complicated since everyone has their own *value* so to speak,so we have to analyse the people and their circumstances etc etc.
No worries mate.
 
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Is that why dating sims and girlfriend ASMR vids are so popular?
Basically. Obviously it's a poor substitute for the IRL experience (there is much more sensory stimulus IRL), but it still manages to scratch the surface of the brain that responds to the stimulus.
 
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TFM had an interesting insight about this stuff after a man who got blackpilled by him sent him an e-mail where he announced he would have roped this week-end because of the incapability to cope with this blackpill awareness.
Simply put: even if we could restore "the patriarchy" overnight life will still taste like shit and the same will be for "love" since we would basically just be in damage control by removing women from every single political power. It would be a mathematical action in order to make the average woman dependant thus attracted to the average man but many of us wouldn't find that emotionally satisfying.
Even if we just woke up as gigachad tomorrow BUT with our blackpill awareness that won't prevent us from feeling pain knowing how and why women feel attraction toward us.

We just would like to be loved in that forgiving/paternalistic/compassionate/ protective way in which a man loves a woman. Obviously i'm talking for myself and many others here not for everyone but i would feel extreme pain in the soul knowing that the girlfriend who is having such a great time with me with whom i'm sharing so many experiences would just stop loving me immediately if i was shorter, poorer or with a small dick (it just would taste like shit and not like the real love we crave).

The biggest blackpill is exactly this: it's much more realistic to hope to get a fucking gigastacy than to get a woman who loves us that way and this awareness is something very painfull to live with (especially at a relative young age)
The ancient Greeks accepted homosexuality for a reason.
 
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I think @Billowel has a point. If foids were basically throwing themselves at you, wouldnt you be tempted to cheat, even if you were invested in another? Thats basically everyday, for foids.

Foids refusing to fuck you, isnt you keeping your dick in check.
Again: i was talking about how men and women feel a different kind of love so he really is bitching about nothing. Never talked about cheating
 
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Problem is I want to respect my waifu, and femoids deserve no respect
 
Cybersex is our hope

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I was trying to say to op that we love people for what they are.If the person has more of what we already love *beauty*,*kindness* etc etc then we would want them.Some man will be able to keep the thought of this superior women away,since they know that the higher the girl is in the scale the harder it would be to keep her,and for a few other reasons.But deep down he knows it ,and the feeling will always be there.he might flee from the thought so as to not make it incredibly vivid,but he knows it.
Man even if he gets a perfect women he will always thirst for more since he is *incomplete*.Christians believe that only god can complete man for he is the totality of everything that is perfect,good etc etc.Marriage is
a concession
as the apostle said and everyone here is coping hard by thinking that after getting some random girl to fuck and marry them,that all of a sudden everything will be perfect(in the strictest sense of the word).
Yes but i was talking about biology making an average man feeling the need to protect a woman whil viceversa doesn't simply happen
 
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Your view is on point and true but women just don't want us and I don't believe love exists anymore due to modern society.
 
Cybersex is our hope

Cybersex is our hope

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Your view is on point and true but women just don't want us and I don't believe love exists anymore due to modern society.
Love from women to men never existed it's just that in the past women were kept in check so the illusion of love for men was possible
 
JohnWickCel

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Yeah I know some guys on here just want sex but I just want to hold a girl.
 
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Yeah I know some guys on here just want sex but I just want to hold a girl.
I want both.
I’ve never been interested in casual hookups but I’d love to have a loving, caring, sweet partner that I get to have sex with.
 
Personalityinkwell

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I want both.
I’ve never been interested in casual hookups but I’d love to have a loving, caring, sweet partner that I get to have sex with.
hows the weight loss going
 
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hows the weight loss going
Not great, I didn’t really get started until the beginning of this week. Now I’m finally back under 200 pounds after going back to the gym, eating less and I feel a little better. But I only went for two days because the inactivity caused me to be in a lot of pain after my sessions.
 
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Not great, I didn’t really get started until the beginning of this week. Now I’m finally back under 200 pounds after going back to the gym, eating less and I feel a little better. But I only went for two days because the inactivity caused me to be in a lot of pain after my sessions.
200 pounds? Sheesh whats your height?
 
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I want both.
I’ve never been interested in casual hookups but I’d love to have a loving, caring, sweet partner that I get to have sex with.
Me too. I would like to add that foids who are silly about having sex with you don’t actually wont you. Thes fuck chads within minutes.
 
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