[Discussion] does industrialization inevitably lead to incels?

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No but capitalism does
 
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Yes, because male labor becomes less valuable.
 
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Not necessarily industrialization or capitalism have, I'd say it is (social) liberalism and the liberal 'revolution' that have sowed the ideological seeds of the inceldom problem in the late 1800s and the sexual revolution of the late 1960s watered the seed and the social agenda of the neoliberal revolution of the 1990s made the incel plant bloom.

In the material world these changes in mindset and attitude were facilitated and enabled by increased societal wealth (welfare, no more subsistence working poverty) and improved (medical) technology (birth control, information technology, increased mass mobility).
 
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YES. Industrialization was the first step to modern soyciety. Read Ted Kaczynski's manifesto.
 
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The guy responding isn’t really providing a counter argument to the first guy. They could both be right and both seem plausible. No doubt it is multifactoral. It’s showing signs of stress from trying to adapt to an increasingly artificial environment, with each symptom (trannyism, feminism, leftism, etc) having some unique cause that itself is downstream of maladaptation.
 
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No. In fact monogamy is a necessary prerequisite for industrialization and modern progress. By giving every man a wife instead of forcing them to fight over the remnants from Chad's harem you're incentivizing stability in the system which is a requirement for the large scale capital investments that are a prerequisite to industrialize. A man with a wife and kids doesn't want to join a revolution or fight a war. They want to keep the system as it is and do their job. On the other hand an incel man has no attachment to the system as it is. They don't want to protect their wives from being raped by the rebels or blow up the system their kids would have to go to school in. They'll be ok with bombing govt buildings or suicidal attacks on factories.

Without monogamy men would rather destroy, fuck, and pillage than build a society. See: the total destruction of any Black owned businesses due to the entrenched hypergamy in the Black community. Endless robberies subsist instead and nobody ever wants to invest because their shit will just get stolen by men who don't have a family to provide for.

Monogamy is a necessity for capitalism and industrialization because the only the incentive of a stable family & a better future for kids will prevent widespread theft and attacks that would destroy the system.
 
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Not necessarily industrialization or capitalism have, I'd say it is (social) liberalism and the liberal 'revolution' that have sowed the ideological seeds of the inceldom problem in the late 1800s and the sexual revolution of the late 1960s watered the seed and the social agenda of the neoliberal revolution of the 1990s made the incel plant bloom.

In the material world these changes in mindset and attitude were facilitated and enabled by increased societal wealth (welfare, no more subsistence working poverty) and improved (medical) technology (birth control, information technology, increased mass mobility).
In pre-liberal societies around the world there were (still are) often deeply entrenched religious and class based regulations and traditions that managed the marriage market (there was no such thing as 'dating'). Sex and dating were linked to marriage and procreation and marriage and procreation were sacred activities crucial to the social order and therefore tightly guarded and regulated by religion. A person was a part of whole and bound to the whole via an extensive network of social relations and duties, he did not exist as an individual. The ideology of liberalism changed that and conceived of the idea of a free human being who is an individual before he is part of a whole.

The problem liberalism had for the longest time was the stubborn presence of religion and all sorts of material conditions most people had little or no control over (pregnancy, poverty, disease) which in practice prevented men and foids to be actually being 'emancipated'. As capitalism birthed the industrial revolution and started creating wealth and technology gave women control over their reproductive destiny - material realities made liberal emancipation possible in the West after WWII.

However traditions die hard so it took some time until we saw full liberalization and accompanying sexual and relational pauperization of low status males, I think the 1990s is where apt social commentators (like Houellebecq) starting recognizing it and describing it. People who were supposed to see this coming, like social scientists were obviously bluepilled on everything and have a delusional lefty liberal view of man so they are, and continue to be blind on the inceldom question.
 
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Capitalism leads to boomers. Boomers lead to feminism. Feminism lead to incels.
how do boomers with a different work ethic lead to feminism?
 
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Anything that results in a rate of humans being born at a rate higher than the rate at which we die per generation results in the creation of more incels. But the truth is, incels have always existed since time immemorial. It's simply impossible to manage all the sex that happens in society so that only the best genes get through, but even if it was, a civilization cannot function properly without losers to carry it on their backs.

Who's going to flip the burgers and carry a rifle into combat?
  • The guy who simply walks out and gets eye-raped by every foid within viewing proximity? The guy who doesn't even have to get out of bed, and there will be blonde Stacies driving to his house to bang him?
  • Or the fucking average and below average Joes who constantly need to prove themselves in a vain effort for society to deliver on its promise of a crumb of pussy?
Being an alpha male gives you a higher probability of survival than the rest of the herd, sure, but nature is just too strong to take on alone. No, you need a pack of loyal, unwitting pawns to do your bidding. Sell them lies so they can fight and die for you while you bust a nut and eat grapes.
 
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That part about the dude suing them for no handjobs seems too based for Canada.
 
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No, but women opening their squaky mouths, and SIMPS listening is.
 
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No. And it does not has anything to do with Incels.

Incels exist in all times and ages. Inceldom is a natural phenomenon but it can also be man made and socially engineered like in the West today.

How do you explain ugly subhumans in Africa, India and China doing sex everyday and having literally dozens of children?

Do you think thwy are all Chads? Of course not. The reason why ugly men in the West can't get sex is not genes or technology/industrialization.

It's a result of giving social freedom to wahmen.
 
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No. And it does not has anything to do with Incels.

Incels exist in all times and ages. Inceldom is a natural phenomenon but it can also be man made and socially engineered like in the West today.

How do you explain ugly subhumans in Africa, India and China doing sex everyday and having literally dozens of children?

Do you think thwy are all Chads? Of course not. The reason why ugly men in the West can't get sex is not genes or technology/industrialization.

It's a result of giving social freedom to wahmen.
how do you explain ethnicels in majority white countries like America and Europe
 
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In pre-liberal societies around the world there were (still are) often deeply entrenched religious and class based regulations and traditions that managed the marriage market (there was no such thing as 'dating'). Sex and dating were linked to marriage and procreation and marriage and procreation were sacred activities crucial to the social order and therefore tightly guarded and regulated by religion. A person was a part of whole and bound to the whole via an extensive network of social relations and duties, he did not exist as an individual. The ideology of liberalism changed that and conceived of the idea of a free human being who is an individual before he is part of a whole.

The problem liberalism had for the longest time was the stubborn presence of religion and all sorts of material conditions most people had little or no control over (pregnancy, poverty, disease) which in practice prevented men and foids to be actually being 'emancipated'. As capitalism birthed the industrial revolution and started creating wealth and technology gave women control over their reproductive destiny - material realities made liberal emancipation possible in the West after WWII.

However traditions die hard so it took some time until we saw full liberalization and accompanying sexual and relational pauperization of low status males, I think the 1990s is where apt social commentators (like Houellebecq) starting recognizing it and describing it. People who were supposed to see this coming, like social scientists were obviously bluepilled on everything and have a delusional lefty liberal view of man so they are, and continue to be blind on the inceldom question.

This is the best explanation.
 
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how do you explain ethnicels in majority white countries like America and Europe
Short explanation: Ethnics complaining about not getting pussy, (and when they say pussy they mean white pussy), in MWC are volcels.

I don't go to China and complain about the lack of South American Amazon Native women. Of course there will be only ching chong foids there, any imbecile see that.

What the fuck are they still doing in those MWC like america?

Why they already didn't pack their shit and went to the places where their respective ethnicity is a majority and where their ethnic foids have no choice other than give them sex?

I tell you why. Because those MEC are shitholes, because its full of ethnics. Not only those fricking ethnics have room temperature IQ. They are also lazy as fuck.
 
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