[Serious] If incels don't need therapy, how do we fix our minds?

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Anyone seen that survey that means to challenge the idea that incels need therapy?

There's a lot wrong with society. But there's a lot wrong with us too. There's a lot wrong with people like Alek Minassian, who will kill because of whatever demons there are in him. I don't think most of us would hurt people over our inceldom, but there's plenty wrong with our brains even if we don't hurt people.
ER and AM are simply the products of a toxic gynocentric society that empowers women over men and celebrates female degeneracy. They wouldn't have done what they did had they been born 150 years ago, even though is a good chance they would not have been able to obtain partners back then either because of being non-neurotypical.

It's hard to imagine that either of them would have killed anyone had they not had to spent their entire lives witnessing female degeneracy, both in real-life and in popular culture. Their mental illness may have contributed to their inceldom and alienation from society, but it's modern women's contemptible behavior that drove them to do what they did. No doubt some murderers are born evil and would murder and kill regardless of the time period they were born in, but I don't think this is a fair assessment about most the so-called misogynistic killers.

Keep in mind that not all of these murderers are mentally ill in the first place. For example, Ted Bundy was neither mentally ill nor born evil. He didn't pick his victims arbitrarily. He targeted a very specific type of modern, sexually liberated woman. If he were truly evil, he would have preyed on the innocent along with the degenerate.

In many things, we are flat out wrong.
Could you elaborate on this? Do you believe the bluepill is correct about certain things?

So what's to be done about that, if not therapy? An incel who isn't a danger to people doesn't need to be monitored. But he should address the ills in his mind somehow. He should, if nothing else, be able to admit he's fucked up in the head. I can admit this about myself. I can admit that I am not mentally healthy. I don't think I want to be. But I can admit I'm wrong.
26% of Americans ages 18 and older suffers from a diagnosable mental disorder. Women are more likely to be mentally ill than men. Why specifically do you suggest that incels should engage in psychological self-flagellation by acknowledging being "fucked in the head" when mentally ill women would never be expected to do the same thing? There are plenty of women that are significantly more mentally ill than the average incel, yet they all look down on us as inferiors. Many incels would be able to have a positive influence on such women's lives if they were open to dating them.
 
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You sound very masochistic OP. Are you larp of the same coin (different side) of the same Edge lording?
I'm probably not the edgiest of the Incels on Dotco, but I think I run pretty afoul of the common man's law. I mean I go on Twitter, and I'm like "That's no good."

Could you elaborate on this? Do you believe the bluepill is correct about certain things?
It's wrong to kill because of your inceldom, and it's wrong to make excuses for killers. I can accept that Minassian was compelled by his mental illness to kill in the name of whatever he believed. And I can agree that the world is pretty rotten. But the world does not deserve Minassian's wrath. There's a difference between saying "I understand why he did it, but it's still wrong" and "He had no choice, the world asked for it."

If you kill, and your motive was "Argh the damned femorloids," that's mental illness. Something's wrong with the way you think.

26% of Americans ages 18 and older suffers from a diagnosable mental disorder. Women are more likely to be mentally ill than men. Why specifically do you suggest that incels should engage in psychological self-flagellation by acknowledging being "fucked in the head" when mentally ill women would never be expected to do the same thing? There are plenty of women that are significantly more mentally ill than the average incel, yet they all look down on us as inferiors. Many incels would be able to have a positive influence on such women's lives if they were open to dating them.
I never said women shouldn't have to admit they're fucked in the head. I would very much like that. But the topic that came up was "Are incels fucked in the head?" Yeah I think we are.
 
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It's wrong to kill because of your inceldom, and it's wrong to make excuses for killers.
It is wrong to kill or advocate violence in the name of inceldom only because doing so is illegal. Making excuses for killers isn't wrong. Most people recognize that it was necessary to kill and maim tens of thousands of women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avert the greater evil of prolonging World War II. The pilots who dropped the atomic bombs are killers in the literal sense of the word, but no one views them as such. Everyone understands that they had a "good excuse".

Now, obviously, these killings are justifiable because they were legally sanctioned and the perpetrators did not violate any social norms. There have been, and still are some, societies where lethal violence against women who engage in fornication or adultery is legally sanctioned. So at least in some contexts, violence against the types of women that Elliot Rodger loathed is legal and justifiable.

I can accept that Minassian was compelled by his mental illness to kill in the name of whatever he believed. And I can agree that the world is pretty rotten.
Sex is a basic human need, and men who are deprived of it their entire lives or for prolonged periods often become angry and prone to experience violent thoughts and fantasies. This is perfectly normal, and it's been well-known throughout history that sexually frustrated men are a potential threat to society.
It is well documented that incels are much more likely to experience violent thoughts than sexually active men. The majority of the cohort of "love-shy" incels studied by Bryan Gilmartin reported experiencing violent thoughts, compared to only 12% of sexually active controls.

I asked each repondent: "Have you had fantasies during the past month in which you saw yourself as being very violent with some person or group?" Quite in spite of the fact that the love-shys were much more pacifistic and anti-war in their ideological belief systems than were the non-shys, it is most intriguing to note that fully 71 percent of the older love-shys and 66 percent of the younger ones answered "yes" to this question! And it becomes all the more intriguing when it is observed that only 12 percent of the self-confident non-shy men similarly answered "yes" (Gilmartin, 1985)

The vast majority of incels who experience violents thoughts will never act on them because of moral compunctions, fear, empathy, and the availability of porn. But there will always be a tiny few that do.

Elliot Rodger believed that women should not have the right to choose their own sex partners and viewed most women as depraved sluts who deserved to suffer and die. Can his murders be explained by his mental illness? Yes and no. His autism was a necessary cause, but not a sufficient one. Without his ideological conviction, born of personal experience, that most women are bad, he would not have done what he did.

Up until 1630, the majority of women convicted of witchcraft were prostitutes. The men who wanted them to burn for their depravity undeniably had similar views of women as ER and AM, and most of them certainly weren't mentally ill. The average modern woman is likely as depraved as the average 16th century witch.

But the world does not deserve Minassian's wrath.
That's your opinion, which is just as valid as anyone else's, but it's not a fact. I've seen some religious people argue that mankind deserves COVID-19 as punishment for its sins. I don't agree with their religious interpretation, but I certainly don't feel sorry for women who have lost their lives as a result of the virus. "Minassian's wrath" pales in comparison to the death toll of the coronavirus, but I can't say I feel sorry for most of his female victims either.

If you kill, and your motive was "Argh the damned femorloids," that's mental illness. Something's wrong with the way you think.
Not all incel killers were mentally ill. George Sodini had a high paying job and no one who knew him considered him to be mentally ill. Marc Lepine was never diagnosed with a mental illness. The desire to take revenge on society and/or women is not necessarily pathological.

Not all serial killers who are motivated by hatred of women are mentally ill either. Psychopathy and other dark-triad personality traits that tend to increase a man's likelihood of passing on his genes should not be considered mental illnesses. They are unpleasant features of human evolution and not bugs.
 
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It is wrong to kill or advocate violence in the name of inceldom only because doing so is illegal. Making excuses for killers isn't wrong. Most people recognize that it was necessary to kill and maim tens of thousands of women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avert the greater evil of prolonging World War II. The pilots who dropped the atomic bombs are killers in the literal sense of the word, but no one views them as such. Everyone understands that they had a "good excuse".

Now, obviously, these killings are justifiable because they were legally sanctioned and the perpetrators did not violate any social norms. There have been, and still are some, societies where lethal violence against women who engage in fornication or adultery is legally sanctioned. So at least in some contexts, violence against the types of women that Elliot Rodger loathed is legal and justifiable.



Sex is a basic human need, and men who are deprived of it their entire lives or for prolonged periods often become angry and prone to experience violent thoughts and fantasies. This is perfectly normal, and it's been well-known throughout history that sexually frustrated men are a potential threat to society.
It is well documented that incels are much more likely to experience violent thoughts than sexually active men. The majority of the cohort of "love-shy" incels studied by Bryan Gilmartin reported experiencing violent thoughts, compared to only 12% of sexually active controls.

I asked each repondent: "Have you had fantasies during the past month in which you saw yourself as being very violent with some person or group?" Quite in spite of the fact that the love-shys were much more pacifistic and anti-war in their ideological belief systems than were the non-shys, it is most intriguing to note that fully 71 percent of the older love-shys and 66 percent of the younger ones answered "yes" to this question! And it becomes all the more intriguing when it is observed that only 12 percent of the self-confident non-shy men similarly answered "yes" (Gilmartin, 1985)

The vast majority of incels who experience violents thoughts will never act on them because of moral compunctions, fear, empathy, and the availability of porn. But there will always be a tiny few that do.

Elliot Rodger believed that women should not have the right to choose their own sex partners and viewed most women as depraved sluts who deserved to suffer and die. Can his murders be explained by his mental illness? Yes and no. His autism was a necessary cause, but not a sufficient one. Without his ideological conviction, born of personal experience, that most women are bad, he would not have done what he did.

Up until 1630, the majority of women convicted of witchcraft were prostitutes. The men who wanted them to burn for their depravity undeniably had similar views of women as ER and AM, and most of them certainly weren't mentally ill. The average modern woman is likely as depraved as the average 16th century witch.



That's your opinion, which is just as valid as anyone else's, but it's not a fact. I've seen some religious people argue that mankind deserves COVID-19 as punishment for its sins. I don't agree with their religious interpretation, but I certainly don't feel sorry for women who have lost their lives as a result of the virus. "Minassian's wrath" pales in comparison to the death toll of the coronavirus, but I can't say I feel sorry for most of his female victims either.



Not all incel killers were mentally ill. George Sodini had a high paying job and no one who knew him considered him to be mentally ill. Marc Lepine was never diagnosed with a mental illness. The desire to take revenge on society and/or women is not necessarily pathological.

Not all serial killers who are motivated by hatred of women are mentally ill either. Psychopathy and other dark-triad personality traits that tend to increase a man's likelihood of passing on his genes should not be considered mental illnesses. They are unpleasant features of human evolution and not bugs.
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Tbh you can't really compare most incels to alek or any other anomaly. There's tons of incels that aren't exactly mentally unhealthy. However tbh in general most People, even non-incels I guess would qualify as mentally unhealthy in this case. Lots of "normal" people absolutely love to hear of the deaths of people like us. Extermination of the ugly and unwanted, they love it. And then have an open chance to just collect their virtue points while they're at it by acting like they give a shit.
 
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1. Therapy will give the same normie advice you see on Instagram quotes most likely.

2. Therapy requires the one getting therapy to be cooperative as well. I don't see most of the site here doing that, they'd be too stuck up in their own ideals to think they could change anything.

3. All incels are men, and men going to therapy is usually frowned upon. I know I'll feel less prideful if I go to therapy rather than just dealing with it on my own.
 
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Tbh you can't really compare most incels to alek or any other anomaly. There's tons of incels that aren't exactly mentally unhealthy. However tbh in general most People, even non-incels I guess would qualify as mentally unhealthy in this case. Lots of "normal" people absolutely love to hear of the deaths of people like us. Extermination of the ugly and unwanted, they love it. And then have an open chance to just collect their virtue points while they're at it by acting like they give a shit.
Minassian is an anomaly yes, but I think even the common incel is fucked up in the head.

It is wrong to kill or advocate violence in the name of inceldom only because doing so is illegal. Making excuses for killers isn't wrong. Most people recognize that it was necessary to kill and maim tens of thousands of women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avert the greater evil of prolonging World War II. The pilots who dropped the atomic bombs are killers in the literal sense of the word, but no one views them as such. Everyone understands that they had a "good excuse".

Now, obviously, these killings are justifiable because they were legally sanctioned and the perpetrators did not violate any social norms. There have been, and still are some, societies where lethal violence against women who engage in fornication or adultery is legally sanctioned. So at least in some contexts, violence against the types of women that Elliot Rodger loathed is legal and justifiable.



Sex is a basic human need, and men who are deprived of it their entire lives or for prolonged periods often become angry and prone to experience violent thoughts and fantasies. This is perfectly normal, and it's been well-known throughout history that sexually frustrated men are a potential threat to society.
It is well documented that incels are much more likely to experience violent thoughts than sexually active men. The majority of the cohort of "love-shy" incels studied by Bryan Gilmartin reported experiencing violent thoughts, compared to only 12% of sexually active controls.

I asked each repondent: "Have you had fantasies during the past month in which you saw yourself as being very violent with some person or group?" Quite in spite of the fact that the love-shys were much more pacifistic and anti-war in their ideological belief systems than were the non-shys, it is most intriguing to note that fully 71 percent of the older love-shys and 66 percent of the younger ones answered "yes" to this question! And it becomes all the more intriguing when it is observed that only 12 percent of the self-confident non-shy men similarly answered "yes" (Gilmartin, 1985)

The vast majority of incels who experience violents thoughts will never act on them because of moral compunctions, fear, empathy, and the availability of porn. But there will always be a tiny few that do.

Elliot Rodger believed that women should not have the right to choose their own sex partners and viewed most women as depraved sluts who deserved to suffer and die. Can his murders be explained by his mental illness? Yes and no. His autism was a necessary cause, but not a sufficient one. Without his ideological conviction, born of personal experience, that most women are bad, he would not have done what he did.

Up until 1630, the majority of women convicted of witchcraft were prostitutes. The men who wanted them to burn for their depravity undeniably had similar views of women as ER and AM, and most of them certainly weren't mentally ill. The average modern woman is likely as depraved as the average 16th century witch.



That's your opinion, which is just as valid as anyone else's, but it's not a fact. I've seen some religious people argue that mankind deserves COVID-19 as punishment for its sins. I don't agree with their religious interpretation, but I certainly don't feel sorry for women who have lost their lives as a result of the virus. "Minassian's wrath" pales in comparison to the death toll of the coronavirus, but I can't say I feel sorry for most of his female victims either.



Not all incel killers were mentally ill. George Sodini had a high paying job and no one who knew him considered him to be mentally ill. Marc Lepine was never diagnosed with a mental illness. The desire to take revenge on society and/or women is not necessarily pathological.

Not all serial killers who are motivated by hatred of women are mentally ill either. Psychopathy and other dark-triad personality traits that tend to increase a man's likelihood of passing on his genes should not be considered mental illnesses. They are unpleasant features of human evolution and not bugs.
Like these views, these are some fucked up views. If a journal was discovered with these writings, people would say "This is a fucked up individual, he needs help."

First, killing innocent people isn't wrong because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's wrong. Laws don't come into existence unless there's some ethic to base it off of. And those ethics have to be sound. That's why it's also not right to kill someone just because it's legal. If the ethic you're basing that law on is "Well they're cheaters, so they deserve to die," that's a fucked up ethic. We know better now. Cheaters are bad, but we don't kill them.

Second, no one said Hiroshima & Nagasaki wasn't the unjust killing of innocents. They don't "excuse" it, it's still horrible, it's just we weren't as socially responsible as we are back then. Today we still kill innocent people with drone strikes, but we try not to. We understand that this collateral damage is price that cannot be repaid. We don't say "Welp, their deaths were justified." No, it's as cold and horrible as any other time an innocent person is killed.

Third, you can't blame society for the ills of disturbed men. It's not society's responsibility to make disturbed men happy. It's a disturbed man's responsibility to not commit atrocities. That's like saying "If you don't want your house burned down, make sure to pay protection money to the mob." It's the mob that's wrong. Not the people who won't kneel to them. So we engineer a system that punishes the mob.

Fourth, if your thinking is "Women are depraved sluts who deserve to die," that's fucked up thinking. And there's really only two explanations for that. Either you're not well and you need help, which is what I believe, or you're an evil monster and deserve to be put away or otherwise kept from hurting people. Which is what IncelTears believes. But those are the only two ways. Just because you have a job doesn't mean you aren't fucked in the head. Being "high functioning" doesn't mean your thoughts aren't disturbed.

Fifth, so how do we determine who does and doesn't deserve to suffer?

Sixth, as sapient humans we are more than just the need to breed. That's why mental health is more than "But can he have sex?" You know what else is a part of nature? Empathy. Observed in study, even. Why is that never a standard of mental health we hold ourselves to? If even a shit-eating animal can love, shouldn't we be capable of love?
 
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Frothy Solutions is best fishermen on Incel.co. Best bait and greatest troller, and probably most fish hooked just in this thread. I'm not hungry right now thanks. Will be on my way.
Bro your posts are always so fucking bland and apologetic like you're trying to be some diplomat for the normies.
Basically on the polar opposite end of the spectrum from the edgelords posting nothing but IT bait for shock value, who are just as cringey.
@FrothySolutions thoughts?
 
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I can tell you from personal experience that therapy didn't really work for me, it did help me, just not with what it was meant to.
As for alternatives, i really have no clue. I don't even want to think of the notion of helping society until they help me, so yea that's their problem to contend with.
They have no solution at all. They're just here to hear me complain and say see you next week
Or to drug you up and then handwave your problems away, either way therapy is a scam.
 
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Minassian is an anomaly yes, but I think even the common incel is fucked up in the head.
Eh I wouldn't say most tbh. I mean everyone has mental illnesses nowadays because it's cool and trendy. But ignoring that most that I see are ignorant to their situation. Still pretty calm people even if they do suffer tbh.
 
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Eh I wouldn't say most tbh. I mean everyone has mental illnesses nowadays because it's cool and trendy. But ignoring that most that I see are ignorant to their situation. Still pretty calm people even if they do suffer tbh.
They're calm, but it's just, it's hard for me to pick out an incel on here that doesn't need some kind of help. And by "help" I don't mean "affection." I mean something's wrong with them.
 
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They're calm, but it's just, it's hard for me to pick out an incel on here that doesn't need some kind of help. And by "help" I don't mean "affection." I mean something's wrong with them.
tbh this place makes up less than 0.1% of all incels. But I guess ending up in the community is a result of acceptance of the situation. Most will probably be depressed someway or another.
 
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I have no mental problems and will never be even a slight threat to society. So my personality is fine. Only thing wrong with me is appearance.
 
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They're calm, but it's just, it's hard for me to pick out an incel on here that doesn't need some kind of help. And by "help" I don't mean "affection." I mean something's wrong with them.
Are you in therapy yourself?
 
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Anyone seen that survey that means to challenge the idea that incels need therapy?

There's a lot wrong with society. But there's a lot wrong with us too. There's a lot wrong with people like Alek Minassian, who will kill because of whatever demons there are in him. I don't think most of us would hurt people over our inceldom, but there's plenty wrong with our brains even if we don't hurt people. In many things, we are flat out wrong.

So what's to be done about that, if not therapy? An incel who isn't a danger to people doesn't need to be monitored. But he should address the ills in his mind somehow. He should, if nothing else, be able to admit he's fucked up in the head. I can admit this about myself. I can admit that I am not mentally healthy. I don't think I want to be. But I can admit I'm wrong.
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There's nothing wrong with my mind, i'm not some drooling retard that will hit people with a van. Therapy won't give us the help we really need, go fuck a hooker instead. What bullshit is this of monitoring bad thoughts? You sound like a foid studying us or some shit, get off of your high horse.
 
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So you're cured now?
No, the objective of my therapy was to help me achieve my goals. We never got to discuss what was wrong with me, probably because the things that are wrong with me today weren't manifested at the time. I'm fucked up now, but probably I wasn't as fucked up back then.
 
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Simple answer is we need incel therapists.
 
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In theory therapy can be good and useful, but what I've seen in my experience - and I've been to therapy many times - is that many therapists are crooks. They feel superior to their clients, and they love pushing nonsense on them, whether it's the spurious idea that mental problems are caused by bad chemistry of the brain, or advicing them to take a cocktail of psychiatric drugs that are proven to cause brain damage if taken long-term. In short, stay away from therapists unless you are certain that you can tell the difference between a good one and a bad one.
 
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“what will fix us” uhhh, I don’t know, Intimacy and affection? Have you read the title of this website, What kind of retard are you?
 
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Therapy is cope incels need pussy. If you’re therapist isn’t legitimately helping you get pussy you’re being scammed.
 
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Anyone seen that survey that means to challenge the idea that incels need therapy?

There's a lot wrong with society. But there's a lot wrong with us too. There's a lot wrong with people like Alek Minassian, who will kill because of whatever demons there are in him. I don't think most of us would hurt people over our inceldom, but there's plenty wrong with our brains even if we don't hurt people. In many things, we are flat out wrong.

So what's to be done about that, if not therapy? An incel who isn't a danger to people doesn't need to be monitored. But he should address the ills in his mind somehow. He should, if nothing else, be able to admit he's fucked up in the head. I can admit this about myself. I can admit that I am not mentally healthy. I don't think I want to be. But I can admit I'm wrong.
Therapy doesn't work, someone posted extensive scientific literatire on here about it before.
As for what to do, either just lay down and rot, rope, or psychedelics.
@FrothySolutions , maybe @Copexodius Maximus is talking about my thread, where I talk about doing psychedelics as the best scientifically based cope out there . If you mean another thread... do you remember the title, @Copexodius Maximus ?
 
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No, the objective of my therapy was to help me achieve my goals. We never got to discuss what was wrong with me, probably because the things that are wrong with me today weren't manifested at the time. I'm fucked up now, but probably I wasn't as fucked up back then.
Then go back to therapy you hypocrite, you.
 
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Third, you can't blame society for the ills of disturbed men. It's not society's responsibility to make disturbed men happy. It's a disturbed man's responsibility to not commit atrocities. That's like saying "If you don't want your house burned down, make sure to pay protection money to the mob." It's the mob that's wrong. Not the people who won't kneel to them. So we engineer a system that punishes the mob.
That mob has helped to build that house. We all have obligations forced on us. All countries have taxes, many have military services for men. The "system" you are referring to that "punishes the mob" is compromised of the collective power of all men, many of which are incels.

Incels are a part of this system as conscious beings with feelings, not as robot slaves. When they are not satisfied anymore they won't cooperate. Responsibilities and ethics are social constructs, unless you believe in God, and they depend on cooperation. They don't mean anything to somebody who has taken enough abuse and lived without basic human needs to the point where they would rather be dead than alive.
 
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Third, you can't blame society for the ills of disturbed men. It's not society's responsibility to make disturbed men happy. It's a disturbed man's responsibility to not commit atrocities. That's like saying "If you don't want your house burned down, make sure to pay protection money to the mob." It's the mob that's wrong. Not the people who won't kneel to them. So we engineer a system that punishes the mob.
I somewhat disagree with this notion not in the "government mandated GF" way, but many people seem to recognize bullying as a large factor in these retribution attacks. Some even say on Twitter "should have been bullied harder" or something. When you recognize something as a cause and are unwilling to do or exert anything to curb that you aren't be constructive. I don't think you really have a right to complain about anything.

Bullies are the most financially, socially, and romantically successful people in society. They have the highest confidence and self-esteem. They constantly win in life. Yet they built many of thing by tearing down and destroying others. They commit crimes against people yet society protects them because of their genetics and the fact they're concerned about their "future" while they simultaneously force people to drop out of high-school and completely ruin their futures.

I do not believe that society has zero responsibility in such situations.
 
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Then go back to therapy you hypocrite, you.
I never said go to therapy, I said admit that you're fucked up. I'm not going to therapy, but I know I need... something.

I somewhat disagree with this notion "government mandated GF" way, but many people seem to recognize bullying as a large factor in these retribution attacks. Some even say on Twitter "should have been bullied harder" or something. When you recognize something as a cause and are unwilling to do or exert anything to curb that you aren't be constructive. I don't think you really have a right to complain about anything.

Bullies are the most financially, socially, and romantically successful people in society. They have the highest confidence and self-esteem. They constantly win in life. Yet they built many of thing by tearing down and destroying others. They commit crimes against people yet society protects them because of their genetics and the fact they're concerned about their "future" while they simultaneously force people to drop out of high-school and completely ruin their futures.

I do not believe that society has zero responsibility in such situations.
Sounds like society should stop rewarding bad behavior.
 

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