In the new penology, everything is about figuring out how dangerous you are to the public, by virtue of your inceldom and other risk factors

Leucosticte

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You may have noticed, incels are in a lot of ways being treated like criminals. The press focuses on the dangers incels pose and how these risks need to be managed by, e.g., restrictions on incels' freedom to associate with one another and share their ideas online.

This reflects a larger trend that was described in Malcolm M. Feeley and Jonathan Simon's "The New Penology". Back in the old days, the government was focused on the question of whether you had actually committed a crime. If so, you needed to be punished so as to deter crime; send a message about what society's standards are; and keep you from gaining an unfair advantage by harming the community and infringing others' rights for personal gain.

The new philosophy is that society should be divided into risk groups, with different groups having differing levels of freedom. The more dangerous you're considered to be, the more restrictions will be placed on your liberty. Whether you've actually committed a crime yet is irrelevant, except inasmuch as it provides a clue as to how likely you are to commit a crime in the future. Basically the government is playing the role of an investor who's analyzing what he should put his money into, to get the best return and minimize his losses; if you're deemed to be a high crime risk, then the government will want to invest funds in confining you in a prison or mental hospital as soon as they find some excuse to do so.

So for example, suppose you're arrested under suspicion of having jaywalked, or committed some other petty offense. The magistrate and/or the pretrial services department will conduct a risk assessment and on that basis decide whether you can be released on bail. You might be held in jail for months even though you haven't been convicted of a crime, or even accused of any major offense, because guilt or innocence, or fault for having committed a deviant act or harmed the community is not their main concern; they're focused on how much of a danger you pose of committing FUTURE crimes. If they happen to know you've been active on incel forums, that could theoretically be used against you in any kind of bail or sentencing hearing, even though being active on an incel forum isn't a crime. That's the kind of stuff that can end up in pretrial services reports, presentence reports, and similar documents, if someone (e.g. a family member) informs them about it.

It's the same way with the mental health system. You have to be careful what you say to shrinks, because it all gets written down in the therapy notes that shrinks use to cover their asses, and those documents could be subpoenaed someday to determine what level of risk you pose to the public.

(Betabuxxes have even more to worry about, because family courts are even more concerned -- obsessed, really -- with risk factors than the criminal courts are, and it's more likely that the average betabuxx will get hauled into family court at some point than criminal court. When betabuxxes complain, "This false rape accusation put a permanent black mark on my record" what they mean is that they've been assigned to a higher risk category that they can't get out of, and it's going to potentially have some detrimental effects on their lives.)

Why do you think the cops always want to subpoena incel sites' webhosts and registrars and find out who the site owners, admins, and mods are? They want to open files on these individuals, assess what kind of danger they pose to the public, and start building a case for shutting them down and taking away their freedom. From their perspective, it's all about risk management. Probably they have files on every notable figure in the incel community, because they have nothing better to do than compile that kind of information, to justify their salaries.

By the way, you know how the government is always bragging about how they make sure to drug test every prisoner and probationer, and give those who test positive extra prison time? The purpose of that is not even to deter drug use, or send a message that drug use is deviant and wrong, or find out which people use drugs so they can be offered drug treatment and successfully rehabilitated. The goal, as always, is just to gain more information that can be used to put people in a risk category. Drug users are considered to be at higher risk of committing more crimes, so therefore they're to be locked up longer, for the protection of the public.

Child pornography offenses are the same way. Looking at child pornography is not harmful to kids in and of itself, but it's considered a sign that you pose a risk of someday molesting a kid. That's why the courts throw child porn offenders in prison for years and force them to register as sex offenders and have monitoring software installed on their computers and be on supervised release for the rest of their lives.

We're heading into Minority Report-land, where pretty much anything that the fearmongering press and academics can say is evidence of danger becomes a quasi-crime. Already, to own a gun is considered toxic masculinity potentially indicating maybe you're going to assault femoids. (Check out this list of red flags of domestic abusers.) So your Second Amendment rights are abrogated by some feminist theorist who decided to label your behavior as "risk-relevant." Other rights will be abrogated too, including your First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, etc. rights.
 
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The US Constitution died with the Patriot act 17 years ago and it's continuing to get gangraped.
 
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How Dare you criticize the beautiful government we have, you know I think
Everybody should emprace the wonderful policies the government emposes on us,
Letting everyone get to be safe from those potential criminal monster-freaks,
People ought to be more grateful nowadays
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Mewcel

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Good reason to avoid psychiatrists
 
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:ha..feels:
How Dare you criticize the beautiful government we have, you know I think
Everybody should emprace the wonderful policies the government emposes on us,
Letting everyone get to be safe from those potential criminal monster-freaks,
People ought to be more grateful nowadays
:ha..feels::ha..feels::ha..feels::ha..feels:
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Leucosticte

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Thought the same, i'm just joking.
I know, I was just trying to seem like a harmless autist to get my own assessed risk level reduced. Of course, those reading may say, "How foolish that he would reveal his intentions, so that now we know what he's up to" but that too is just intended to throw them off. This continues through an infinite number of levels.
 
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This is gold. Thanks for sharing.
 
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I know, I was just trying to seem like a harmless autist to get my own assessed risk level reduced. Of course, those reading may say, "How foolish that he would reveal his intentions, so that now we know what he's up to" but that too is just intended to throw them off. This continues through an infinite number of levels.
 
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This legal philosophy has taken place since years in many countries in Europe. Some people have been accused for minor criminal offence, for a few months to less than 5 years, but were released much latter, or are in prison for life, unknowkn release date, because the constitute a "severe threat to society". Meanwhile, some serious violent thyrones were in special programs, walked free, had free pocket money, free large flats, had many "specialists around them" and costed hundreds of thousands of euros to the state. Nothing new in the horizon.
 
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