Serious Incel Forums do not cause violence.

[Deleted member 23682]

just a quote:

WHAT THE FUCK?

ARE WE TOXIC?

OR ARE WE NICE GUYS?

MAKE YOUR MIND UP.

where the FUCK do people get the nice guys thing from

He says everything in the blackpill wiki crumbles when you look into it and his example was pretty much: "that's true.... but...." He didnt deny it was true he just said that dark triad men are manipulative and are unhappy with their situation but ignored the actual point like IT always do.

If incels are dangerous then Muslims are too. Go harass Muslims. Just Because there are few Muslims who are more extreme doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists.

We're literally the most obscure site on the planet. It's so easy to just ignore us and leave us alone. But IncelTears enjoy bullying us.

And making this site go down would do nothing. You think people go ER from someone saying 'go er' or because of anything said on this forum? Do you not think it's because of things that happen to the person in the real world that they go ER? Saying that this site should be taken down is like saying video games shouldn't be allowed because they cause violence.

If anything IT is more likely gonna cause violence than this forum. Lityerally a bullying platform and everyone on there admits it.

 

[LooksAreLife]

Incel forums do not cause violence, ugliness does.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

And making this site go down would do nothing. You think people go ER from someone saying 'go er' or because of anything said on this forum? Do you not think it's because of things that happen to the person in the real world that they go ER? Saying that this site should be taken down is like saying video games shouldn't be allowed because they cause violence.

Tbh there are a lot of outcast males that latch onto obscure groups before writing their manifestos and comitting violent acts even if they never really had anything to do with those groups.
It was hard enough for previous men's rights groups to distance themselves from people who claimed violence in their name before, but it is especially difficult when there have been a lot of references that appear to condone violence even if said in jest.
That hasn't usually been a fixture of previous men's rights groups and so it was more difficult to pin accusations of violence on them in a convincing way, but people that are determined to shut down communities like this have found ample evidence that is suggestible of condoning violence whenever edgy jokes or references to a beta uprising are brought up.
It is not ideal, but this is how groups out to get people in these communities are like. They look for the slightest things to use to crack down on communities they don't like.
Questionable statements condoning or joking about violence give them plenty to work with since they are actively looking for such things.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Thats the longest non shit post i have seen him write.

New record.

Why no one answer your threads jfl ?

They eventually will. He has a lot of orbiters.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Tbh there are a lot of outcast males that latch onto obscure groups before writing their manifestos and comitting violent acts even if they never really had anything to do with those groups.
It was hard enough for previous men's rights groups to distance themselves from people who claimed violence in their name before, but it is especially difficult when there have been a lot of references that appear to condone violence even if said in jest.
That hasn't usually been a fixture of previous men's rights groups and so it was more difficult to pin accusations of violence on them in a convincing way, but people that are determined to shut down communities like this have found ample evidence that is suggestible of condoning violence whenever edgy jokes or references to a beta uprising are brought up.
It is not ideal, but this is how groups out to get people in these communities are like. They look for the slightest things to use to crack down on communities they don't like.
Questionable statements condoning or joking about violence give them plenty to work with since they are actively looking for such things.

yes but it is flawed logic. saying "Go ER" does not cause people to kill.

you honestly think if a chad read "Go ER", he would go ER? no.

when someone goes ER, they are doing it not because of some bullshit on a forum, but because they are angry about something in their own personal life. someone being an incel is a condition that has been put on them. looking at ER, for example, he probably snapped when he heard his sister getting fucked, not because he posted on PUAhate

They eventually will. He has a lot of orbiters.

i do?

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

i do?

Yeah tbh.

 

[Deleted member 27159]

Incel forums are what keep people from violence. It’s a great place to cope and talk to like minded individuals about the struggles of inceldom. It’s extremely retarded to say that it causes violence just because someone say “go er”. It’s even worse than the argument of video games causing violence

 

[Sleeper]

No, society causes violence.

 

[Justice Bao]

ER gone ER before incel forum existed. we dont know if AM read incel forums.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

ER gone ER before incel forum existed. we dont know if AM read incel forums.

AM claimed to read 4chan

 

[Deleted member 27204]

yes but it is flawed logic. saying "Go ER" does not cause people to kill.

you honestly think if a chad read "Go ER", he would go ER? no.

when someone goes ER, they are doing it not because of some bullshit on a forum, but because they are angry about something in their own personal life. someone being an incel is a condition that has been put on them. looking at ER, for example, he probably snapped when he heard his sister getting fucked, not because he posted on PUAhate

It's not so much that it is the sole thing that drove them to do it, but it gives them an excuse to later on say when questioned that they found things on this site like "go ER" that trivialized actions that they later performed so that they can say that they were inspired by this.

It is a bit of gamble to think "go ER" does not influence people even if said in jest, especially if it is in response to a rage inducing incident where a person is disrespected and humiliated and feels like taking revenge like it sometimes used to be said on this site. It can easily be taken the wrong way.
A lot of the people that carry out these attacks "in the name of I.N.C.E.L." are also not right in the head and can't easily distinguish dark humor and ranting from actual calls to violence.
In any case even if people here plead that they weren't serious, the mere fact that there were jokes about violence able to be found on this site gives the media a lot to work with in making incels look bad and calling for their sites to be shut down.
What is even worse is that the media is determined to bring down groups that fight for men's rights in the legal realm by classifying them as violent incels and the fact that a lot of the rhetoric about men not being useful to society unforunately overlaps with a lot of what other men's rights groups talk about. This gives people without a sufficient background into this matter an inability to see the difference between these groups and gives people that want to conflate these groups an opening to indoctrinate them.
Post AM for example, much of the manosphere that had little to do with talking about "going ER" has been deplatformed and branded as extremists just as incels have. It is an unforunate, inevitable side effect of whenever an attack happens and it is pinned on incels.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

It's not so much that it is the sole thing that drove them to do it, but it gives them an excuse to later on say when questioned that they found things on this site like "go ER" that trivialized actions that they later performed so that they can say that they were inspired by this.

It is a bit of gamble to think "go ER" does not influence people even if said in jest, especially if it is in response to a rage inducing incident where a person is disrespected and humiliated and feels like taking revenge like it sometimes used to be said on this site. It can easily be taken the wrong way.
A lot of the people that carry out these attacks "in the name of I.N.C.E.L." are also not right in the head and can't easily distinguish dark humor and ranting from actual calls to violence.
In any case even if people here plead that they weren't serious, the mere fact that there were jokes about violence able to be found on this site gives the media a lot to work with in making incels look bad and calling for their sites to be shut down.
What is even worse is that the media is determined to bring down groups that fight for men's rights in the legal realm by classifying them as violent incels and the fact that a lot of the rhetoric about men not being useful to society unforunately overlaps with a lot of what other men's rights groups talk about. This gives people without a sufficient background into this matter an inability to see the difference between these groups and gives people that want to conflate these groups an opening to indoctrinate them.
Post AM for example, much of the manosphere that had little to do with talking about "going ER" has been deplatformed and branded as extremists just as incels have. It is an unforunate, inevitable side effect of whenever an attack happens and it is pinned on incels.

well yes, I agree, the media uses bullshit excuses to go after incels

and Alek Minassian was a false flag. just lol if you think he wasn't

 

[Deleted member 27204]

well yes, I agree, the media uses bullshit excuses to go after incels

and Alek Minassian was a false flag. just lol if you think he wasn't

Possibly, don't have enough info but the fact that the media jumped to the conclusion that incels were responsible because of one facebook post talking about an incel rebellion is pretty suspect.
The point is susceptible individuals that have a hard time in life and want to lash out sometimes find solace on these boards but then come across dark humor about violence and talk of a beta uprising that they take literally and go out and create mayhem in the actual world.
This has always been the case to some extent and is not completely avoidable anytime there is angry rhetoric.
However compared to other men's rights groups that have been more careful in their language, many incels have built up a reputation for not holding back and alluding to violence more openly, making it easier for the media to convince the public that they are guilty when they pin violent attacks on incels.
At this point edgy rhetoric and dark humor is part of incel culture but I am saying beware because it has a domino effect that takes out milder formal men's rights groups in the process and anyone else that might have legal clout to take on the status quo even if gradually.
There have been many posts in the early days of this forum saying that the reason that incels are at the forefront of the manosphere is because they didn't play nice. While this is true, it is also because incels make a convenient scapegoat that people can point to and easily find dark humor on their sites whereas it wasn't as possible with previous men's rights groups.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

The point is susceptible individuals that have a hard time in life and want to lash out sometimes find solace on these boards but then come across dark humor about violence and talk of a beta uprising that they take literally and go out and create mayhem in the actual world.

I disagree, many people would have already decided to kill before they saw a post on a forum and were the types to kill anyway. Elliot Rodger had already planned his day of retribution before he found puahate

what you are doing is buying the bullshit that the media suggests, that incel forums cause violence

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I disagree, many people would have already decided to kill before they saw a post on a forum. Elliot Rodger had already planned his day of retribution before he found puahate

You are right that many people who do these attacks have already decided ahead of time to carry out these attacks.
At the same time while it is definitely toeing the line and engaging in PR to more carefully scrutinize what is said on this site, it becomes more of a need because other than used for the purpose of venting, this site has sometimes ventured into talking about ways to change the world in the context of men's rights.
When this is done, edgy jokes about "going ER" become more damaging to the perception of incels and men's rights as a whole for a lot of cautious low status males that want to avoid trouble because rather than saying you are just shitposting to vent your frustrations, you have now in a lot of people's minds taken up the mantle of trying to change society and the jokes about violence give a lot of outsiders the impression that you advocate action IRL to change society violently to better line up with your objectives.

Sometimes it seems like a lot of users can't really decide what they want to do:

do they want to cope, vent, and make edgy jokes about women and engage in dark humor about violence,
or do they actually want to take up the mantle of fighting for men's rights or making a serious change IRL?

It is very confusing and of course there isn't 100% consensus on this, but so many of the posts on this site about the direction where society is headed, how men are considered disposable by society begin to veer away from coping and venting and more to the activism side of things and what's more a lot of people applaud it and advocate for the thread that contains this info to be pinned.
Suddenly the idea that incels are just shit posting, memeing and venting becomes a lot more implausible and people that want to demonize incels have more of a reason to point to incels and say that they are plotting violence to disrupt society when they joke about "going ER".

And no by itself I don't think incel forums cause violence. The heated rheotric that is employed on forums like this is more tied to frustrations that result from experiences IRL. What I am saying is that the easily found heated rhetoric and jokes about violence on this site makes it more easy for disturbed people that want to commit violent attacks in any case to lash out to justify what they are doing under the guise of "going ER". It also makes it easier for the media to point to these jokes and proclaim that it was encouragement to commit violence since the context of edgy humor will be lost on a lot of outsiders who don't know anything about incels besides what the media has told them.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I disagree, many people would have already decided to kill before they saw a post on a forum and were the types to kill anyway. Elliot Rodger had already planned his day of retribution before he found puahate

what you are doing is buying the bullshit that the media suggests, that incel forums cause violence

This tbh. Also generally it's the people who don't post edgy shit that you should worry about. Think about this, if someone had any intention of being violent, why would they begin posting somewhere like this in the first place? Why potentially put themselves on the radar of organizations like the FBI? Thinking about it now, it's actually weird how ER posted on puahate and youtube in the manner that he did.

You are right that many people who do these attacks have already decided ahead of time to carry out these attacks.
At the same time while it is definitely toeing the line and engaging in PR to more carefully scrutinize what is said on this site, it becomes more of a need because other than used for the purpose of venting, this site has sometimes ventured into talking about ways to change the world in the context of men's rights.
When this is done, edgy jokes about "going ER" become more damaging to the perception of incels and men's rights as a whole for a lot of cautious low status males that want to avoid trouble because rather than saying you are just shitposting to vent your frustrations, you have now in a lot of people's minds taken up the mantle of trying to change society and the jokes about violence give a lot of outsiders the impression that you advocate action IRL to change society violently to better line up with your objectives.

Sometimes it seems like a lot of users can't really decide what they want to do:

do they want to cope, vent, and make edgy jokes about women and engage in dark humor about violence,
or do they actually want to take up the mantle of fighting for men's rights or making a serious change IRL?

It is very confusing and of course there isn't 100% consensus on this, but so many of the posts on this site about the direction where society is headed, how men are considered disposable by society begin to veer away from coping and venting and more to the activism side of things and what's more a lot of people applaud it and advocate for the thread that contains this info to be pinned.
Suddenly the idea that incels are just shit posting, memeing and venting becomes a lot more implausible and people that want to demonize incels have more of a reason to point to incels and say that they are plotting violence to disrupt society when they joke about "going ER".

The issue is, even if we assume all of this is true, terrorist attacks don't produce positive change. It's not a battle which can be won, it's more like doing damage to the object of your hatred just to spite it. I would hope that anybody who even entertains the idea of "rebelling" realizes this, it harms everybody involved, including whatever cause you believe you're advancing.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

or do they actually want to take up the mantle of fighting for men's rights or making a serious change IRL?

i think they do, but they don't know how. going ER does not do good for incels so obviously people are just shitposting when they say "Go ER"

 

[Deleted member 27204]

The issue is, even if we assume all of this is true, terrorist attacks don't produce positive change. It's not a battle which can be won, it's more like doing damage to the object of your hatred just to spite it. I would hope that anybody who even entertains the idea of "rebelling" realizes this, it harms everybody involved, including whatever cause you believe you're advancing.

If the motto of this site was

Incels.co: we are here to cope, not change the world, because it is over

or something similar

then there wouldn't be as much confusion about shitposts, memes and hating on women for laughs as there is now and it would be seen as more of a board for venting and shitposting frustrations than anything else.

And I agree terrorist attacks don't produce positive change, if anything they set incels and many other low status males back further because now they are seen as public enemy number one and even more of a perceived threat to women and children than before.

The thing is again, there are still a lot of people on this site that veer away from venting and shitposting to joking about rebelling, how women's rights needs to be taken away, and how men are considered worthless by society and that you owe society nothing. Add to the that the fact that many posters here have talked about incels being at the forefront of the manosphere and have stickied topics with news about the manosphere such as mra and mgtow subs getting banned begins to call into question whether incels are just purely interested in venting or are instead plotting to change society in a foreceful way and are actively keeping up to date with current events to more effectively strategize.

It is this latter point and a need to talk about uniting the manosphere that is brought up on these forums that I believe tips law enforcement off. They might idly surveil you if you vent on an online forum, but when you begin to entertain actions to be taken IRL to change society is when they see more of a reason to crack down on people on this site.

i think they do, but they don't know how. going ER does not do good for incels so obviously people are just shitposting when they say "Go ER"

I am sympathetic to those that do want to improve society for low status males, I am only saying that because of the world we live in, incels aren't even given the benefit of the doubt when they shitpost about "going ER" or make crude jokes about women, especially when they have previously expressed a desire to change society to better suit their interests.

 

[NEETard]

Low effort reported

 

[FinnCel]

This place PREVENTS violence because we can vent our frustration here instead of keeping it inside us