[Serious] Inceldom might not actually be increasing, studies show

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It’s honestly unknown if inceldom is increasing or not. Healthline writes a good article about this. It says that the percentage of men who said they haven’t had sex in the past year has increased to 30% in the 2010s. But I doubt it’s because of hypergamy or tinder. According to oldcels on here, hypergamy is nothing new, and has existed decades ago too. And only like 3% of Americans use Tinder (7 million Americans). In fact, the increasing delay of adulthood, excessive internet and social media use, and less frequent risky activity (eg less frequent driving, less frequent drinking) might be the cause of this all. It seems people are growing up a lot slower these days and as sex reportedly became less common among youngsters, so did drinking, driving, etc. less adolescents are driving and less drink alcohol. Also, social media has made a lot of men stay to themselves and be a replacement for sex for them.


Twenge said that young adults may be having less sex because they’re taking longer to progress to adulthood.

“This includes the postponement of not just sexual activity but also other activities related to mating and reproduction, including dating, living with a partner, pregnancy, and birth,” she said. “However, these reproductive trends have not occurred in isolation; instead, they are part of a broader cultural trend toward delayed development. For example, adolescents in the 2010s were also less likely to drive, drink alcohol, go out without their parents, and work at paid jobs compared with adolescents in previous decades.”


however, many believe that the ambiguity of the word “sex” and “sex partner” might cause the “increase” in inceldom.

Here’s a quote:

Kristen Mark, PhD, MPH, a sex and relationships researcher and director of the Sexual Health Promotion Lab at the University of Kentucky, told Healthline that while the study bases sexual inactivity on the survey question, “About how often did you have sex during the last 12 months?,” it does not provide a clear definition of sex.

“Some participants may have interpreted the terms have sex and sex partners using a definition of vaginal intercourse (or sex partners as referring only to relational partners), whereas others may have considered sex to include oral sex or mutual masturbation,” said Ueda.

“It’s possible that young men are having less penis-in-vagina intercourse but not actually engaging in less sexual activity,” Dr. Mark said. “So one of the potential explanations for a perceived decline in sexual activity is actually an increase in sexual diversity and acceptance of sexual variety.”

Cyndi Darnell, a clinical sexologist and sex therapist, agreed.

“While heteronormative assumptions of what constitutes so-called real sex remain the defining feature of sex, we omit all the other kinds of things people enjoy as sex,” Darnell told Healthline. “If we include sex with other genders, masturbation, oral sex, and anal sex, I am not sure the stats would say young men are having less sex. Perhaps they’d say young men are having more sex that’s pleasure-focused rather that replaying heteronormative scripts.”

although it seems excessive social media use might be a factor some studies show social media use causes more sexual activity
 
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Interesting article. But I doubt that any male thought "I got a blowjob, wowzeee, time to lie on this anonymous survey".
 
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And only like 3% of Americans use Tinder (7 million Americans).
Women gassing each other up on social media like twitter and instagram and encouraging them to leave or end a relationship because "they could do better" is enough to fill the gap.

In fact, the increasing delay of adulthood, excessive internet and social media use, and less frequent risky activity (eg less frequent driving, less frequent drinking) might be the cause of this all. It seems people are growing up a lot slower these days and as sex reportedly became less common among youngsters, so did drinking, driving, etc. less adolescents are driving and less drink alcohol. Also, social media has made a lot of men stay to themselves and be a replacement for sex for them.
Just grow up bro!
 
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I don't know about inceldom but sexlessdom is certainly on the rise.
Almost every 40+ man is sexless as fuck(not incel) unless they fuck hookers.
Some non incel men are just normies who lucked out once or twice( and hence not incel) but they are sexless as fuck now.

@Personalityinkwell @mylifeistrash @Ropemaxx do you guys agree with this?
 
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I don't know about inceldom but sexlessdom is certainly on the rise.
Almost every 40+ man is sexless as fuck(not incel) unless they fuck hookers.
Some non incel men are just normies who lucked out once or twice( and hence not incel) but they are sexless as fuck now.

@Personalityinkwell @mylifeistrash @Ropemaxx do you guys agree with this?
I live in the USA and I'm not even sure if anyone even has sex anymore unless it's a fit, tall male with a large penis fucking a landwhale.

Obesity seems to have exponentially increased from 2019. Everything is fucked.
 
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No I think less men are drinking and driving and having secs because foids deny them sex and they don’t have access to parties because foids lock them out of partying and just invite chads to the parties. And men don’t drive as much cause no life and nowhere to go
 
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Dude ofc its increasing. It has been increasing rapidly ever since 2008 when tinder etc became popular.
 
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If inceldom isn’t increasing then this will make me more radicalised. I’m banking on more people becoming incels so we can overthrow hypergamy (amongst other things). If more people aren’t becoming incel then I really don’t know what to do.
 
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No I think less men are drinking and driving and having secs because foids deny them sex and they don’t have access to parties because foids lock them out of partying and just invite chads to the parties. And men don’t drive as much cause no life and nowhere to go
this

men rot in their basements as a consequence, not a choice
 
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I don't know about inceldom but sexlessdom is certainly on the rise.
Almost every 40+ man is sexless as fuck(not incel) unless they fuck hookers.
Some non incel men are just normies who lucked out once or twice( and hence not incel) but they are sexless as fuck now.

@Personalityinkwell @mylifeistrash @Ropemaxx do you guys agree with this?
dont know dont care about men 40+ tbh
but yeah sexlessness is on the rise
 
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Cope article. They say the symptoms are not due to the disease and something else must be the cause as usual.
 
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Almost every 40+ man is sexless as fuck(not incel) unless they fuck hookers.
truth.Every 40+ male I know is either drinking his ass off or married to a single mom jfl after 40 you are basically nothing unless super rich or good looking
 
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truth.Every 40+ male I know is either drinking his ass off or married to a single mom jfl after 40 you are basically nothing unless super rich or good looking
Yup that's why marriage doesn't work. These oldcels can't fuck neither hookers nor their wives. They lost in the end atleast us Incels can cope with hookers and more freedom
 
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It seems people are growing up a lot slower these days and as sex reportedly became less common among youngsters, so did drinking, driving, etc. less adolescents are driving
@LastGerman i spotted another brutal drivers license pill
Yes, there is even an official statement to this, yet some people do not take it serious and they think, this is a joke. More and more men just cannot drive anymore. This is a new phenomenon and I am the one who is observing it.
 
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It’s honestly unknown if inceldom is increasing or not. Healthline writes a good article about this. It says that the percentage of men who said they haven’t had sex in the past year has increased to 30% in the 2010s. But I doubt it’s because of hypergamy or tinder. According to oldcels on here, hypergamy is nothing new, and has existed decades ago too. And only like 3% of Americans use Tinder (7 million Americans). In fact, the increasing delay of adulthood, excessive internet and social media use, and less frequent risky activity (eg less frequent driving, less frequent drinking) might be the cause of this all. It seems people are growing up a lot slower these days and as sex reportedly became less common among youngsters, so did drinking, driving, etc. less adolescents are driving and less drink alcohol. Also, social media has made a lot of men stay to themselves and be a replacement for sex for them.


Twenge said that young adults may be having less sex because they’re taking longer to progress to adulthood.

“This includes the postponement of not just sexual activity but also other activities related to mating and reproduction, including dating, living with a partner, pregnancy, and birth,” she said. “However, these reproductive trends have not occurred in isolation; instead, they are part of a broader cultural trend toward delayed development. For example, adolescents in the 2010s were also less likely to drive, drink alcohol, go out without their parents, and work at paid jobs compared with adolescents in previous decades.”


however, many believe that the ambiguity of the word “sex” and “sex partner” might cause the “increase” in inceldom.

Here’s a quote:

Kristen Mark, PhD, MPH, a sex and relationships researcher and director of the Sexual Health Promotion Lab at the University of Kentucky, told Healthline that while the study bases sexual inactivity on the survey question, “About how often did you have sex during the last 12 months?,” it does not provide a clear definition of sex.

“Some participants may have interpreted the terms have sex and sex partners using a definition of vaginal intercourse (or sex partners as referring only to relational partners), whereas others may have considered sex to include oral sex or mutual masturbation,” said Ueda.

“It’s possible that young men are having less penis-in-vagina intercourse but not actually engaging in less sexual activity,” Dr. Mark said. “So one of the potential explanations for a perceived decline in sexual activity is actually an increase in sexual diversity and acceptance of sexual variety.”

Cyndi Darnell, a clinical sexologist and sex therapist, agreed.

“While heteronormative assumptions of what constitutes so-called real sex remain the defining feature of sex, we omit all the other kinds of things people enjoy as sex,” Darnell told Healthline. “If we include sex with other genders, masturbation, oral sex, and anal sex, I am not sure the stats would say young men are having less sex. Perhaps they’d say young men are having more sex that’s pleasure-focused rather that replaying heteronormative scripts.”

although it seems excessive social media use might be a factor some studies show social media use causes more sexual activity
Academic cope, girls are still fucking more, thus study can't explain that away
Yes, there is even an official statement to this, yet some people do not take it serious and they think, this is a joke. More and more men just cannot drive anymore. This is a new phenomenon and I am the one who is observing it.
I never gave a shit about cars except as a kid
 
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I don't know about inceldom but sexlessdom is certainly on the rise.
Almost every 40+ man is sexless as fuck(not incel) unless they fuck hookers.
Some non incel men are just normies who lucked out once or twice( and hence not incel) but they are sexless as fuck now.

@Personalityinkwell @mylifeistrash @Ropemaxx do you guys agree with this?
Cope. Most 40 year old men are married and sexually active very few are incel
No I think less men are drinking and driving and having secs because foids deny them sex and they don’t have access to parties because foids lock them out of partying and just invite chads to the parties. And men don’t drive as much cause no life and nowhere to go
nope. Men just wanna go on social media all day and watch YouTube videos instead of socialize
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men rot in their basements as a consequence, not a choice
no. Men just are addicted to Facebook, youtube, etc and are less into sex. Also testosterone levels dropped and men thus have less interest in sex
Academic cope, girls are still having intercourse more while men are having oral sex, thus study can't explain that away

I never gave a shit about cars except as a kid
 
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Cope. Most 40 year old men are married and sexually active very few are incel

nope. Men just wanna go on social media all day and watch YouTube videos instead of socialize

no. Men just are addicted to Facebook, youtube, etc and are less into sex. Also testosterone levels dropped and men thus have less interest in sex
Imagine thinking 40 year old married men are getting it from their wives. They are banging younger and hotter chicks.

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This sounds like the typical academic left-wing cope to explain away things they don't agree with using magical thinking.
 
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According to the world data, for the past 50 years and still now, the male population is growing, while the female population is lowering. To this add those terrorist femtards promoting hate between males and females, then you get the point that incels are growing up in number.
 
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interesting article. the idea that teenagers are growing up slower does not sound right to me though. maybe it's just because I go to a mostly ethnic public school, but sex isn't even considered an important life event or "coming of age" moment. it's a casual activity like going to a restaurant or watching a movie together.

if a couple wasn't having sex, people would think it's weird and assume that there are problems in their relationship. saying that you've never had sex with your girlfriend is almost like saying you've never hugged or kissed her
 
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Men are giving up more and more because women won't give them sex. Men crave getting laid and having relationships. Men dont have as much incentive to go out and party
 
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This sounds like the typical academic left-wing cope to explain away things they don't agree with using magical thinking.
No they make good points, many men will become volcels and spend all day on social media instead of going out and getting a relationship, and many men might not have intercourse and stick to oral sex
 
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oh, so i'm not incel, im just growing up slower? jfl
 
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oh, so i'm not incel, im just growing up slower? jfl
Just because the study is hard to believe doesn’t make it false
 
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Just because the study is hard to believe doesn’t make it false
just wait bro, you'll find someone eventually :lul:

you should know they will never admit that women could be responsible for anything bad. it's always the man's fault.
 
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just wait bro, you'll find someone eventually :lul:

you should know they will never admit that women could be responsible for anything bad. it's always the man's fault.
Nope. Most men are volcels now.
 
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Nope. Most men are volcels now.
Thats really accurate, zoomers know its over and dont even bother with sex anymore, to much hassle, to much risk.
 
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It's very tough to precisily define inceldom to begin with. Are only kissless virgins incels? Only virgins? Only virgins outside of escorts? After which age? How long do you have to go without sex to be an incel? How hard do you have to try not to be considered volcel? How low must your standards be, and how does it relate with your own looks level?

All questions impossible to answer 100% accurately.
 
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Thats really accurate, zoomers know its over and dont even bother with sex anymore, to much hassle, to much risk.
No they all just would rather go on social media all day
no lol. why would men want to be sexless?
because not everyone craves sex the way we do
 
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No they all just would rather go on social media all day
Do you have data for this? I find this explanation doesn't explain things like Onlyfans. If men would more interested in social media, why would they pay large chucks of their income on e-thots?
 
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Do you have data for this? I find this explanation doesn't explain things like Onlyfans. If men would more interested in social media, why would they pay large chucks of their income on e-thots?
Only fans doesn’t have even quarter as many as users as YouTube Facebook twitter etc. also, watching porn doesn’t mean you want sex. Some volcels still like porn. When people get so addicted to social media they avoid socializing and thus are celibate
 
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It's very tough to precisily define inceldom to begin with. Are only kissless virgins incels? Only virgins? Only virgins outside of escorts? After which age? How long do you have to go without sex to be an incel? How hard do you have to try not to be considered volcel? How low must your standards be, and how does it relate with your own looks level?

All questions impossible to answer 100% accurately.
I've never been interested in defining or enforcing the terms of inceldom. Anything that can be conceptualized as an identity for the self or others is always a waste of time. The point is that is interesting is that relations between men and women are steadily degrading and we have evidence of this when observing the cultural trends of PUA -> MGTOW -> INCEL. We could obviously trace that lineage back through the decades and add more branches to the tree for various related offshoots, but the trend seems obvious to me that things are moving in a negative direction.
 
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I've never been interested in defining or enforcing the terms of inceldom. Anything that can be conceptualized as an identity for the self or others is always a waste of time. The point is that is interesting is that relations between men and women are steadily degrading and we have evidence of this when observing the cultural trends of PUA -> MGTOW -> INCEL. We could obviously trace that lineage back through the decades and add more branches to the tree for various related offshoots, but the trend seems obvious to me that things are moving in a negative direction.
Yeah, for me, the incel movement is mainly about that as well. Not about hate, or about violence, or about looks theory even. It's about the fact men, especially ugly men, have been dealt a terrible hand in the west nowadays and society still treats us as if we were privileged somehow.
 
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Only fans doesn’t have even quarter as many as users as YouTube Facebook twitter etc. also, watching porn doesn’t mean you want sex. Some volcels still like porn. When people get so addicted to social media they avoid socializing and thus are celibate
OnlyFans is largely used for surrogate experiences that men would normally have with GFs. Why else would "exclusive" content sell? Women sell intimacy on OnlyFans. If men were volcel, why would they desire intimacy to the point of buying it?

Do you have any hard data to backup the notion that men prefer retweets and likes to actual real female companionship?
 
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OnlyFans is largely used for surrogate experiences that men would normally have with GFs. Why else would "exclusive" content sell? Women sell intimacy on OnlyFans. If men were volcel, why would they desire intimacy to the point of buying it?

Do you have any hard data to backup the notion that men prefer retweets and likes to actual real female companionship?
It’s simple, they’re so sucked into social media they can’t actually go out in the real world
 
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No they all just would rather go on social media all day

because not everyone craves sex the way we do
the majority of men crave sex, lol...why do yout think porn is a multi-billion dollar industry? why do you think there are so many simps/whiteknights? do you really think guys would rather be on social media than get laid? thats so bluepilled.
 
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the majority of men crave sex, lol...why do yout think porn is a multi-billion dollar industry? why do you think there are so many simps/whiteknights? do you really think guys would rather be on social media than get laid? thats so bluepilled.
White knights aren’t doing it to get laid, they do it because they are brainwashed SJWs. Also, many men aren’t actually into sex. Look it up. It’s more common than you think. When men get super addicted to social media, they avoid the real world and thus become celibate. Watching porn doesn’t mean they want sex.
 
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White knights aren’t doing it to get laid, they do it because they are brainwashed SJWs. Also, many men aren’t actually into sex. Look it up. It’s more common than you think. When men get super addicted to social media, they avoid the real world and thus become celibate. Watching porn doesn’t mean they want sex.
white knights and simps do it so they can get female validation/approval. the vast majority of men are into sex...thats how we evolved. the male sex drive is strong. if men watch porn it's because they get turned on/aroused from watching it. if they are aroused by sex then chances are they want to have sex. if women weren't hypergamous, the porn industry would mostly die because men would actually be getting laid so wouldnt have to resort to porn to get off. idk where you get this idea that lots of men do not want to have sex. there is simply no evidence for it.
 
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Remember that things are always worse than they seem.
We might never have enough incels to get human rights
 
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No I think less men are drinking and driving and having secs because foids deny them sex and they don’t have access to parties because foids lock them out of partying and just invite chads to the parties. And men don’t drive as much cause no life and nowhere to go
This.
 
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white knights and simps do it so they can get female validation/approval. the vast majority of men are into sex...thats how we evolved. the male sex drive is strong. if men watch porn it's because they get turned on/aroused from watching it. if they are aroused by sex then chances are they want to have sex. if women weren't hypergamous, the porn industry would mostly die because men would actually be getting laid so wouldnt have to resort to porn to get off. idk where you get this idea that lots of men do not want to have sex. there is simply no evidence for it.
False. Studies have shown many men who watch porn are very sexually active. Also, some men don’t feel like being in dating. They just spend all day on social media posting about politics and chatting on forums and thus never talk to anyone irl.

also, porn has existed for a long time, I doubt without hypergamy it wouldn’t exist
 
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False. Studies have shown many men who watch porn are very sexually active. Also, some men don’t feel like being in dating. They just spend all day on social media posting about politics and chatting on forums and thus never talk to anyone irl.

also, porn has existed for a long time, I doubt without hypergamy it wouldn’t exist
if these men had fulfilling sex lives they wouldnt need to watch porn. these 'sexually active' men could have a fat gf or starfish sex from their betabuxx wife. this is why they watch porn to make up for that. if these men were sexually fulfilled they likely wouldnt watch porn. without hypergamy porn would exist but would be significantly decreased.
 
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if these men had fulfilling sex lives they wouldnt need to watch porn. these 'sexually active' men could have a fat gf or starfish sex from their betabuxx wife. this is why they watch porn to make up for that. if these men were sexually fulfilled they likely wouldnt watch porn. without hypergamy porn would exist but would be significantly decreased.
Nope. Many men who are chads also watch porn
 
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I have actually seen a few guys (in their 20s) in college who basically don't drive so I believe that part. People don't value moving away from depending on parents as much these days.
 
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