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Serious Incels, CuckTears, and free speech: why another term of Trump would harm American incels' civil liberties

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This should be a short read.

If every individual spoke with the sophistication and eloquence of a Harvard dean, there would be little, if any, discourse surrounding the limitations of expressive conduct. That, however, is not the case; such a world would be a very boring one indeed. As a consequence, some of the most contentious cases surrounding free expression involve conduct that is unpopular and uncouth. How a society responds to crude, obnoxious, or even morally reprehensible forms of dissent is generally a bellwether for other facets of their approach to individual and political rights.

See, over the past two weeks, I have read no less than fifty comments on CuckTears suggesting that Nathan Larson (a burgercel who is the administrator of *********) deserves to be arrested, imprisoned, raped, beaten, tortured, maimed, or otherwise executed. I could not help but notice the irony of those statements coming from ostensibly woke SJWs, whose dismissive stance on civil liberties mirrors those of scumbag authoritarians like Edwin Meese and John Yoo (who served during the Reagan and Bush administrations respectively).

At the same time, there seems to be a sizeable number of fellow incels who are misguidedly applauding the Trump administration's crackdown on the George Floyd protests this year -- earlier in D.C. and now in Portland. I'm sure it excites some of you to see your political opponents -- people of colour and femoids in particular -- tear-gassed, beaten, and arrested by unmarked federal agents. But I'm not so sure that it is prudent to approve of such a relationship between the citizen and the state, where law enforcement has free rein to escalate and employ excessive force in order to create a chilling effect on freedom of assembly.

What neither soycucks nor incels understand is that the political winds don't necessarily blow in their favour, and that's why it's important to err on the side of preserving individual rights, even for individuals whose views you find repugnant, excepting only the most narrowly tailored scenarios. For example, the executive should not be able to suppress dissent simply by labelling (with little or no judicial input) a broad and loosely organized subculture as "terrorism", as Trump tried to do with Antifa on Twitter, and as CuckTears wants the FBI to do with incels.

This brings me to the Supreme Court. As the digital sphere encompasses an increasingly significant aspect of everyone's lives, it will be inevitable that more questions surrounding the limits of online speech and privacy will reach the court's docket. Indeed, some already have; see Elonis v. United States (2015) for a case involving a man whose violent rap lyrics and Facebook posts garnered the FBI's attention*. The candidate who wins the 2020 election could fill Ginsburg's and Breyer's seat, considering that both are in their 80s, shifting the court's direction for a generation.

Following Trump's unhinged Twitter responses earlier this month to Trump v. Mazars (2020) and Trump v. Vance (2020), two cases involving his tax returns, I am no longer convinced that Trump, if elected to a second term, would nominate principled originalists such as Neil Gorsuch. Instead, his nominees would probably be political hacks and ideological extremists who take an unnaturally deferent and dangerously broad view of executive authority, who don't care about the separation of powers nor due process. That could place at risk the liberties of the one-third of incels.co members who live in the United States.

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*It remains to be seen whether adding "in Minecraft" to the end of a sentence affects federal prosecutors' ability to establish mens rea in cases involving "threats to injure in interstate commerce".


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I felt compelled to make this thread because a friend of mine reminded me that William J. Brennan Jr. died on this day 23 years ago.

Brennan was one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in American history (writing 1,360 opinions during his term), and a staunch defender of freedom of expression, due process, and civil rights. He authored the majority opinion in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964) and Dombrowski v. Pfister (1965), and took part in the per curiam opinions in Watts v. United States (1968) and Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969). These cases, among other decisions by the Warren Court, significantly reinforced First Amendment protections -- concerning the legal boundaries of libel, the "chilling effect", threats, and incitement respectively. Later on, Brennan was one of the more frequent dissenters in the more conservative Burger and Rehnquist Courts, most prominently in the death penalty cases of the 1970s. Near the end of his tenure, he authored the majority opinion in Texas v. Johnson (1989) and U.S. v. Eichman (1990), two decisions which legalized flag desecration.

Even more controversially, Brennan also wrote the dissenting opinion in Osborne v. Ohio (1990), where he argued that the private possession of child pornography ought to be protected by the First Amendment. (thoughts @Mainländer @Edmund_Kemper @mylifeistrash ?)

RIP based SCOTUScel
 
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I can see what you mean, but putting in someone as Biden I think would be more damaging. We need someone to keep those cucks in line. We can't let them take control or it can be even worse for us.
This politically correctness didn't get a huge push and the degrading with feminist, BLM, and other stuff if it wasn't for Obama. You really want someone that was 2nd in line to him to now have power? Especially with the way he's a mumbling fool? If it's not him, someone under him will pull the strings.
It can be damaging.
 
Do you think Trump is worse than Biden in terms of protecting our civil liberties? Countries like Canada are already labeling incels as terrorists, that will definitely happen here if Biden wins since he will be nominating a foid vp.
 
Do you think Trump is worse than Biden in terms of protecting our civil liberties? Countries like Canada are already labeling incels as terrorists, that will definitely happen here if Biden wins since he will be nominating a foid vp.

Yes. Biden is someone who respects the rule of law, judicial review, and congressional oversight.

Canada isn't "labeling incels as terrorists", they decided to charge one specific kid with terrorism after he ran around a massage parlour with a machete. Of course, everyone's making a bigger deal of it than they should.

Since POTUS has no legal authority to unilaterally declare any individual or entity as "domestic terrorists"*, I doubt that would happen. Especially in the case of vaguely defined online subcultures like ours (as opposed to organized groups like the Atomwaffen Division).

*The Secretary of State has the ability to designate entities as "foreign terrorist organizations", that's about it.
 
Fuck that shit. I would give up my house to the pigs if they needed it to take donut breaks inbetween brutalizing rioters. You give me a world without flag removals, statue removals, pancake mascot removals, then I win. Regardless of the repercussions.
 
Americans already are soys and cuckolds regardless who is president
 
I can see what you mean, but putting in someone as Biden I think would be more damaging. We need someone to keep those cucks in line. We can't let them take control or it can be even worse for us.

What do you mean by this?
 
What do you mean by this?
What I mean is whether Trump is good or bad, we need someone to keep the ones that can do even more damaging things to us from getting in office.
If we had someone else other than Biden I could see getting Trump out. With the options we have, putting Biden there and getting Trump out would do more damage to all of us.
 
Fuck that shit. I would give up my house to the pigs if they needed it to take donut breaks inbetween brutalizing rioters. You give me a world without flag removals, statue removals, pancake mascot removals, then I win. Regardless of the repercussions.

Why would you simp for a fucking statue?
 
Didn't read nor do I know anything about this topic but but biden or trump winning would be bad for us but trump less bad
 
I can see what you mean, but putting in someone as Biden I think would be more damaging. We need someone to keep those cucks in line. We can't let them take control or it can be even worse for us.
This politically correctness didn't get a huge push and the degrading with feminist, BLM, and other stuff if it wasn't for Obama. You really want someone that was 2nd in line to him to now have power? Especially with the way he's a mumbling fool? If it's not him, someone under him will pull the strings.
It can be damaging.
Do you think Trump is worse than Biden in terms of protecting our civil liberties? Countries like Canada are already labeling incels as terrorists, that will definitely happen here if Biden wins since he will be nominating a foid vp.

Biden authored VAWA, fanned suspicion of young men and a supposed epidemic of rape on college campuses (2) and denied the Tara Reade sexual assault allegations even after he said to "believe women when they allege they were sexual assaulted".

Additionally I hear he is going to pick a black female running mate and because he is old, if he dies while still in office she will take over.
 
My opinion on crimes and the relationship of government with crimes is clear: only things that actually harm and damage people should be crimes. Feelings, enjoying things, thoughts, opinions, etc, should not be crimes.

If someone says "I will commit a crime", the answer should be "if you do it, you'll face the consequences". Most criminals don't announce their crimes.
 
Why would you simp for a fucking statue?

It's not the statue. It's the oversensitivity to the statue. Nobody cared about the flags or the statues until now. It's an emotional overreaction, and those kinds of people don't deserve to win.
 
I agree with everything you wrote.
 
Biden authored VAWA, fanned suspicion of young men and a supposed epidemic of rape on college campuses (2) and denied the Tara Reade sexual assault allegations even after he said to "believe women when they allege they were sexual assaulted".

Additionally I hear he is going to pick a black female running mate and because he is old, if he dies while still in office she will take over.
This should be a short read.

If every individual spoke with the sophistication and eloquence of a Harvard dean, there would be little, if any, discourse surrounding the limitations of expressive conduct. That, however, is not the case; such a world would be a very boring one indeed. As a consequence, some of the most contentious cases surrounding free expression involve conduct that is unpopular and uncouth. How a society responds to crude, obnoxious, or even morally reprehensible forms of dissent is generally a bellwether for other facets of their approach to individual and political rights.

See, over the past two weeks, I have read no less than fifty comments on CuckTears suggesting that Nathan Larson (a burgercel who is the administrator of *********) deserves to be arrested, imprisoned, raped, beaten, tortured, maimed, or otherwise executed. I could not help but notice the irony of those statements coming from ostensibly woke SJWs, whose dismissive stance on civil liberties mirrors those of scumbag authoritarians like Edwin Meese and John Yoo (who served during the Reagan and Bush administrations respectively).

At the same time, there seems to be a sizeable number of fellow incels who are misguidedly applauding the Trump administration's crackdown on the George Floyd protests this year -- earlier in D.C. and now in Portland. I'm sure it excites some of you to see your political opponents -- people of colour and femoids in particular -- tear-gassed, beaten, and arrested by unmarked federal agents. But I'm not so sure that it is prudent to approve of such a relationship between the citizen and the state, where law enforcement has free rein to escalate and employ excessive force in order to create a chilling effect on freedom of assembly.

What neither soycucks nor incels understand is that the political winds don't necessarily blow in their favour, and that's why it's important to err on the side of preserving individual rights, even for individuals whose views you find repugnant, excepting only the most narrowly tailored scenarios. For example, the executive should not be able to suppress dissent simply by labelling (with little or no judicial input) a broad and loosely organized subculture as "terrorism", as Trump tried to do with Antifa on Twitter, and as CuckTears wants the FBI to do with incels.

This brings me to the Supreme Court. As the digital sphere encompasses an increasingly significant aspect of everyone's lives, it will be inevitable that more questions surrounding the limits of online speech and privacy will reach the court's docket. Indeed, some already have; see Elonis v. United States (2015) for a case involving a man whose violent rap lyrics and Facebook posts garnered the FBI's attention*. The candidate who wins the 2020 election could fill Ginsburg's and Breyer's seat, considering that both are in their 80s, shifting the court's direction for a generation.

Following Trump's unhinged Twitter responses earlier this month to Trump v. Mazars (2020) and Trump v. Vance (2020), two cases involving his tax returns, I am no longer convinced that Trump, if elected to a second term, would nominate principled originalists such as Neil Gorsuch. Instead, his nominees would probably be political hacks and ideological extremists who take an unnaturally deferent and dangerously broad view of executive authority, who don't care about the separation of powers nor due process. That could place at risk the liberties of the one-third of incels.co members who live in the United States.

------------------
*It remains to be seen whether adding "in Minecraft" to the end of a sentence affects federal prosecutors' ability to establish mens rea in cases involving "threats to injure in interstate commerce".


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I felt compelled to make this thread because a friend of mine reminded me that William J. Brennan Jr. died on this day 23 years ago.

Brennan was one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in American history (writing 1,360 opinions during his term), and a staunch defender of freedom of expression, due process, and civil rights. He authored the majority opinion in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964) and Dombrowski v. Pfister (1965), and took part in the per curiam opinions in Watts v. United States (1968) and Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969). These cases, among other decisions by the Warren Court, significantly reinforced First Amendment protections -- concerning the legal boundaries of libel, the "chilling effect", threats, and incitement respectively. Later on, Brennan was one of the more frequent dissenters in the more conservative Burger and Rehnquist Courts, most prominently in the death penalty cases of the 1970s. Near the end of his tenure, he authored the majority opinion in Texas v. Johnson (1989) and U.S. v. Eichman (1990), two decisions which legalized flag desecration.

Even more controversially, Brennan also wrote the dissenting opinion in Osborne v. Ohio (1990), where he argued that the private possession of child pornography ought to be protected by the First Amendment. (thoughts @Mainländer @Edmund_Kemper @mylifeistrash ?)

RIP based SCOTUScel
AWA was cosponsored by Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) and Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) in 1994 and gained support from a broad coalition of advocacy groups.[1][dead link] The Act passed through Congress with bipartisan support in 1994, clearing the United States House of Representatives by a vote of 235–195 and the Senate by a vote of 61–38, although the following year House Republicans attempted to cut the Act's funding.[2] In the 2000 Supreme Court case United States v. Morrison, a sharply divided Court struck down the VAWA provision allowing women the right to sue the accused in federal court. By a 5–4 majority, the Court overturned the provision as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act



Why it's bad:
View: https://www.facebook.com/MenGoingTheirOwnWay/posts/vawa-the-violence-against-women-act-is-joe-bidens-worst-shameelaine-epstein-form/719831654710200/

In today's domestic violence police state, it's expected the woman is the victim. All she has to do is call 911 and report her husband assaulted her. In many cases she conveniently fails to mention she slapped, punched, kicked or pummeled him to the point that he pushed her away. As a family law attorney for 17 years, I have experienced the DV system personally. Every example cited in this article has happened to one of my clients.

The stereotype that the man is always the abuser ensures he has no chance of being believed when he says he is the victim. The police take him to jail, and in many cases, he never goes home again.
 
Interesting
Thank you boyo
AWA was cosponsored by Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) and Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) in 1994 and gained support from a broad coalition of advocacy groups.[1][dead link] The Act passed through Congress with bipartisan support in 1994, clearing the United States House of Representatives by a vote of 235–195 and the Senate by a vote of 61–38, although the following year House Republicans attempted to cut the Act's funding.[2] In the 2000 Supreme Court case United States v. Morrison, a sharply divided Court struck down the VAWA provision allowing women the right to sue the accused in federal court. By a 5–4 majority, the Court overturned the provision as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act



Why it's bad:
View: https://www.facebook.com/MenGoingTheirOwnWay/posts/vawa-the-violence-against-women-act-is-joe-bidens-worst-shameelaine-epstein-form/719831654710200/

In today's domestic violence police state, it's expected the woman is the victim. All she has to do is call 911 and report her husband assaulted her. In many cases she conveniently fails to mention she slapped, punched, kicked or pummeled him to the point that he pushed her away. As a family law attorney for 17 years, I have experienced the DV system personally. Every example cited in this article has happened to one of my clients.

The stereotype that the man is always the abuser ensures he has no chance of being believed when he says he is the victim. The police take him to jail, and in many cases, he never goes home again.

Biden authored VAWA, fanned suspicion of young men and a supposed epidemic of rape on college campuses (2) and denied the Tara Reade sexual assault allegations even after he said to "believe women when they allege they were sexual assaulted".

Additionally I hear he is going to pick a black female running mate and because he is old, if he dies while still in office she will take over.

VAWA sucks, but then again the demographic most strongly hurt by VAWA are darktriadmaxxed Chads and normies who married foids with malfunctioning personality detectors. Not us. VAWA isn't directly responsible for due process failures, those were already a pre-existing issue involving local/state police departments.

Morrison wasn't a civil liberties case, but a federalism case -- more specifically, Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

If there's anything that I most disagree with Biden with, in the context of the incel community, it would be his initiative to have the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights' to apply Title IX to cases of campus sexual assault. It was clear the Obama administration failed to place sufficient procedural safeguards to protect due process rights of the accused. Thankfully that issue has been rectified by DeVos, the only thing she's done in her tenure as Ed Sec that made any sense.

I think the debacles involving VAWA and Title IX, if anything, demonstrate the need for reasonable jurists in the federal courts. That's something that the Trump administration I think will not provide.
 
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Thank you boyo



VAWA sucks, but then again the demographic most strongly hurt by VAWA are darktriadmaxxed Chads and normies who married foids with malfunctioning personality detectors. Not us. VAWA isn't directly responsible for due process failures, those were already a pre-existing issue involving local/state police departments.

Morrison wasn't a civil liberties case, but a federalism case -- more specifically, Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

If there's anything that I most disagree with Biden with, in the context of the incel community, it would be his initiative to have the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights' to apply Title IX to cases of campus sexual assault. It was clear the Obama administration failed to place sufficient procedural safeguards to protect due process rights of the accused. Thankfully that issue has been rectified by DeVos, the only thing she's done in her tenure as Ed Sec that made any sense.

I think the debacles involving VAWA and Title IX, if anything, demonstrate the need for reasonable jurists in the federal courts. That's something that the Trump administration I think will not provide.

The trump administration has recently been open to removing the sex selective male only requirement part of the military draft.

This news piqued my interest: such a thing hasn't been proposed since the Equal Rights Amendment.

Meanwhile Biden hasn't addressed this issue and has instead only talked about things like undoing Trump's ban on transgender people serving in the military.
 
Trump is going to win because he's a REAL MAN. He has the vote of every fucking white man who owns a gun. All you have to do is mock some normie's penis size and call him a fag, and they will be peer pressured into voting Trump.
 
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Trump is going to win because he's a REAL MAN. He has the vote of every fucking white man who owns a gun. All you have to do is mock some normie's penis size and call him a fag, and they will be peer pressured into voting Trump.

Low-inhib white trash love the guy for some reason.
The trump administration has recently been open to removing the sex selective male only requirement part of the military draft.

This news piqued my interest: such a thing hasn't been proposed since the Equal Rights Amendment.

Meanwhile Biden hasn't addressed this issue and has instead only talked about things like undoing Trump's ban on transgender people serving in the military.

Why hasn't he done it after three years and a half?
 
Why hasn't he done it after three years and a half?

His base is full of right wing tradcucks that would object to that.

I didn't expect him to do anything about it, but things are so bad for males in general that even rumors that a president is planning to take a closer review at the sex selective draft sounds optimistic to me compared to a president that does not even discussing the issue and leaves everything as is.

But since there hasn't been any solid action on the matter a president only taking a closer look at the issue isn't enough to get my vote.
 
Yes. Biden is someone who respects the rule of law, judicial review, and congressional oversight.

Derp


Are you joking? Democrats only pretend to care about principles and laws when it's convenient for them.
 
His base is full of right wing tradcucks that would object to that.

I didn't expect him to do anything about it, but things are so bad for males in general that even rumors that a president is planning to take a closer review at the sex selective draft sounds optimistic to me compared to a president that does not even discussing the issue and leaves everything as is.

But since there hasn't been any solid action on the matter a president only taking a closer look at the issue isn't enough to get my vote.

The U.S. just needs to do away with the selective service system entirely
 
The U.S. just needs to do away with the selective service system entirely

The idea of the National Coalition for Men (NCFM) challenging the idea of a sex selective draft in a court is because feminists have given lip service to getting rid of the selective service system and unsurprisingly haven't not taken any real action to abolish it.

As you know, society unfortunately only addresses issues when women start to get affected. If the draft is applied equally to both sexes, it provides an indirect pathway for the selective service system to be done away with entirely.
This is not the case if women continue to benefit from being exempt from even signing up for the draft unlike men.
 
The idea of the National Coalition for Men (NCFM) challenging the idea of a sex selective draft in a court is because feminists have given lip service to getting rid of the selective service system and unsurprisingly haven't not taken any real action to abolish it.

As you know, society unfortunately only addresses issues when women start to get affected. If the draft is applied equally to both sexes, it provides an indirect pathway for the selective service system to be done away with entirely.
This is not the case if women continue to benefit from being exempt from even signing up for the draft unlike men.

There was actually a lawsuit working its way up the federal courts in which a judge in favour of the NCFM. Unfortunately, Roy Den Hollander killed the NCFM lawyer handling the case. Bummer.
 
There was actually a lawsuit working its way up the federal courts in which a judge in favour of the NCFM. Unfortunately, Roy Den Hollander killed the NCFM lawyer handling the case. Bummer.

I know the timing couldn't of the death of the NCFM lawyer Marc Angelucci couldn't have been worse and if you look at his manifesto Roy Den Hollander had become another delusional tradcuck.

See what he says about the men's rights movement on page 97
 
Trump does whatever Israel wants and thats all I need to know about that cuck
 
I know the timing couldn't of the death of the NCFM lawyer Marc Angelucci couldn't have been worse and if you look at his manifesto Roy Den Hollander had become another delusional tradcuck.

See what he says about the men's rights movement on page 97

He was always a cuck, I read part of his longer, 2000-page manifesto compilation. Hollander wrote hundreds of pages about the 6'1 Russian prostitute he married. He even uploaded her nudes onto the internet.

Here, have a read:

I think in the last 10 years of his life, he went insane. He was saddled with credit card debt, filed for Chapter 7, all the while embarking on a one-man anti-feminist crusade, and when he lost cases (because his arguments were shit, I mean why tf would anyone go pro se in federal court) he would sue opposing counsel and even judges. For someone with a JD from George Washington U and an MBA from Columbia, his life was a mess.
 
You think (((biden))) is on our side @PPEcel
 

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