Serious Incels recognise natural inequality in life and mating, but should they tolerate this fact, reject, embrace or revolt against it?

[AnonAutist]

I was watching this little clip by deranged right-wing lunatic Jonathan Bowden about inequality and had some thoughts about '''''''philosophical''''''' responses to 'the fact of fundamental inequalities between humans' and felt like writing them down here.

In this deluded effortpost I try to make a simple inventory of the reactions to inceldom by incels and how these responses relate to different attitudes towards (sexual) inequality you could have. Also I try to determine whether the outside world ('liberal hegemony') will tolerate this response to inceldom or not.

Incels prick through the liberal illusion of the equality of man - if and when people are allowed to compete hierarchies form and winners and losers are sorted accordingly. In every form of human endavour and every aspect of human life. The economic and sexual just happen to be the most important and visible. As Houellebecq famously laid out in his brilliant novel Whatever:

“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperisation . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.” ― Michel Houellebecq

From this basic observation (or premise) of inherent inequality you can go one of four ways (as far as I can tell):

1) tolerate inequality, and become a frustrated little liberal loser who cooms to pr0n or copes with vidya, food, alcohol, drugs or netflix, disgruntedly pays for sex, disgruntedly pays for OnlyFans and accepts all the modes of being the liberal winners have predefined for losers like you. It's waiting to die, and while you wait finding neutered bugman ways to cope. In short it is LDARing in various gradations: from careermaxxed escortceldom to neetmaxxed hikkiceldom.

This is one of the liberally approved positions w.r.t. inceldom. The 'IncelsWithoutHate' or 'ForeverAlone' position. They are approved because they are not threatening to the status quo and are thus allowed to exist on mainstream places like Reddit.

2) reject inequality as a concept, as a fundamental, material reality. This is choosing to become bluepilled again if you are a materialist, 'to deradicalise' and behave like an inequality 'tolerater' but instead also think in the predefined frames liberal winners have constructed for the losers in society. In this mode you 'unlearn' or 'unsee' inequality and somehow forget about your inceldom. It can either be the bluepilled 'virgin but not incel!' position or by becoming a lowly soft soy simp and proud orbiter a.k.a. the ITcel position....

Or perhaps weirdly, there is the most extreme MGTOW-esque or traditionally deeply religious 'monkmode' position: to spiritually disconnect from the modern material world and live like an ascetic monk and deny or blunt your human needs, passions and desires, in order to transcend the human condition itself. Leaving humanity behind and to find Nirvana or God. After all, there is no inceldom if there is no carnal, sexual desire or need of acceptance by other humans.

Additionally, a contemplated suicide (roping) is a rejection of modern life, and thus of (sexual) hierarchies and inequality that go along with it. It's looking at the (rigged) game and refusing to partake completely or coming to the slow realisation you cannot cope anymore. Roping is a radical act, but only a personal level - in that it doesn't directly affect other people but indirectly it burdens loved ones, bystanders and first responders with (severe) emotional pain and the state with considerable cleanup costs.

Both the radical bluepill ITcel and religious ascetic position are effectively the same in the eyes of the liberal hegemony and approved, because they are not threatening to the liberal status quo. Roping is not approved because it indirectly burdens those left behind, is (like conventional deaths of despair) undeniable proof that the liberal status quo doesn't work for its losers and post-Christian humanist morality effectively argues that 'every human life is sacred' and forces society to prevent suicide for whatever reason.

3) embrace inequality, and go full reactionary and accept your inferiority and all its consequences, learn to love your serfdom and actively seek and elevate a master or Fuhrer type to submit to. This is the right-wing position w.r.t. inceldom, which translates into Chad nationalism or unironic Chad worship. You embrace inequality as a moral good, and try to convince others in society of a radical transvaluation when it comes inequality. In doing so shaping a new 'old' society.

Incels 'win' under Chad nationalism in the long run if their society goes full caste-mode in two manners: 1) it disillusions incels of any hopes and dreams of sex and intimacy from youth and writes a totally new life script with new societal expectations and mores for its lower caste members. It would validate lower castes for performing their life function well, instead of expecting them to become societal winners and/or 2) in case of war society aims to overthrow competing civilisations and (sexually) enslave them - pagan style. Lower castes of cannon fodder and foot soldiers benefit via the principle of human loot, and elevate their position because new slave castes initially form new ranks below them.

It's historically the oldest state of things: it's how the pagan Aryan invaders overran agrarian Europe, agrarian Persia and agrarian India, how pagan Vikings colonised coastal parts of Europe, traditional, polygamous Islam rapidly expanded and almost conquered Europe, it's how animist polygamous North Western Bantu tribes expanded throughout Africa and even reached South Africa. How the British and Spanish Empires had their surpluses of low value males go abroad and engage in SEAmaxxing avant la lettre. How ISIS recruited and motivated soldiers to take over Iraq and Syria by promising loot to new recruits who quite literally submitted to a traditional, hierarchical new caliphate.

In essence this is the alt-rightcel/stormcel position, and it is considered dangerous by the liberal status quo because it is radical and revolutionary and post WWII considered the very definition of evil - but in reality a quixotic long shot as massive fascist revolts demand extraordinary chaotic circumstances to succeed. Not to mention very few incels are willing and ready to fully embrace their subhumanity - and submit to Chad.

4) revolt against inequality, and demand sexual redistribution via direct personal coercionary means or collective sexual communist or Christian enforced monogamy routes. How this different from rejection of inequality? It's because you take active measures against it, you engage in struggle against it in the here and now. This is the left wing position w.r.t. inceldom, which seeks (sometimes radical) methods to emancipate incels via political organising, sabotaging the sexual hierarchy wherever possible, or via illicit, illegal methods like terrorism, rape and violence against (symbols) of oppressors or (leaders of) institutions of liberal sexual dating hierarchy. Not unlike the tactics used by worker movements of the early 20th century.

A small scale, personal revolt against inequality is going ER or going Nathan Larsson. In case of ER it is engaging in stochastic terrorism via acts of violence to draw attention to inceldom or to take revenge against (perceived) oppressors. Going NL is the traditional sociopathic model of achieving sexual redistribution by means of (illegal) rape or sexual harassment - this differs from 'normal' rape by non-incel criminals only in that the perpetrator is indeed an incel suffering many years of sexual bereavement - a casual claim 'sexual emergency' or 'crime of passion' as motive wouldn't do.

Collective revolts against inequality would be organising to implement policies of sex and intimacy redistribution. Christian style enforced monogamy is the 'soft', indirect approach to incel emancipation and sexual communism with forced redistribution the 'hardcore' direct and materialist approach to left wing incel politics. Unlike total sexual enslavement of conquered peoples in the right wing incel regime, sex and intimacy would be treated like paying taxes, jury duty or conscription duty: a mandatory civil service, forcing Chad to love femcels once in a while, and foids to pay attention to the bottom 80% during their party years.

The revolt response is what gets incels their bad reputation. Liberal feminists use the revolt response to fearmonger about incels and justify their extensive philosophical project of a total feminist make-over of society. Both rhetorical calls for societal overhaul to combat sexual inequality as well as actual individual criminal action with incel motive are seen as highly undesirable by the liberal status quo and persecuted. I would say most incels lean towards revolt rather than embrace, but currently no paths towards organising are open. Mere mention of the topic of sexual redistribution or socially enforced monogamy in mainstream circles is immediately 'cancelled' and discourse policed. As a result it is so far out of the Overton window as say, gay marriage or transsexual acceptance was in the mid 1800s.

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Enough rambling, thank you for reading if you made it here. JFL. So far, I can see 4 types of responses, am I missing another type of response to (mating) inequality here? Did I make big mistakes? Should I have named the responses differently? Is rejecting different from revolting? Is tolerance not the opposite of rejection? [/autism]

Effectively most incels, even here on .co choose to tolerate inequality by means of coping, most talk of violence and illegal activity is just that: mere rhetoric, edgelord-ery and pathetic venting.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

Nick Fuentes talks about this as well (the fact that there is not “equality” and the races and genders are very very different)

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Your forgetting about the fifth option, which is to understand the evolutionary game and seek to change it via artificial means. So to transcend sexual inequality. This is really no different then humans using fire to create light at night so they can walk, rather than evolving night vision. In this regime, we see females not as resources or companions, but as the enemies they really are. So we replace them in various ways as technology progress using things like artificial wombs and sexbots. Can't be incel if there are no females and sex, reproduction and romantic realization is offered to everyone via technology.

 

[crew2]

Females will always need to be pandered to for votes and any sort of revolt will have to put down or ridiculed/demonized to protect the establishment and many men will always be satisfied with the scraps that are spat down to them relationship and sex wise.

These 3 problems are what are standing in the way of our happiness or even us being content in my opinion.

The only solution/mega cope I can see is if somehow all of these lefty riots which will no doubt continue are somehow linked to feminism by the establishment and right wing media and then feminism is classed as terrorism by the powers that be. Then the 19th amendment gets repealed and women get their rights taken away by them one by one. But the first step is to convince society that Feminism is the enemy of the world...which it technically is anyway.

 

[AnonAutist]

Nick Fuentes talks about this as well (the fact that there is not “equality” and the races and genders are very very different)

But how do you respond? As I laid out above, I can see 4 core responses if I look at most, if not all incels online and see what they are writing about. What they advocate for. And your philosophical stance toward equality is fundamental here - everybody is trained to think that inequality is bad and should be 'alleviated' if not completely 'corrected'. But what if you choose to really embrace inequality like radical right thinkers like Evola and Guénon?

Your forgetting about the fifth option, which is to understand the evolutionary game and seek to change it via artificial means. So to transcend sexual inequality. This is really no different then humans using fire to create light at night so they can walk, rather than evolving night vision. In this regime, we see females not as resources or companions, but as the enemies they really are. So we replace them in various ways as technology progress using things like artificial wombs and sexbots. Can't be incel if there are no females and sex, reproduction and romantic realization is offered to everyone via technology.

The transhumanist option yes, material transcendence of inequality, you are right. I'll have to consider this. Though this seems very, very utopian to me, fully automated gay luxury space communism type thinking. Realm of science fiction.

I believe Houellebecq wrote about this stuff in The Map and the Territory. Will look into it.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

But how do you respond? As I laid out above, I can see 4 core responses if I look at most, if not all incels online and see what they are writing about. What they advocate for. And your philosophical stance toward equality is fundamental here - everybody is trained to think that inequality is bad and should be 'alleviated' if not completely 'corrected'. But what if you choose to really embrace inequality like radical right thinkers like Evola and Guernon?

I want my world to be unequal. No use in fighting human nature and we’d all be happier if we were in our own “tribes” (races). Now, the world will never be that because to counteract human nature to this extent that we live in, the people that are at the top would need IMMENSE power (literally god tier because they are going against human nature).

The only way to stop the world continuing on more left is through revolutionary means and even that could be impossible. The NWO is literally powerful enough to counteract human nature so idk how to beat that.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Females will always need to be pandered to for votes and any sort of revolt will have to put down or ridiculed/demonized to protect the establishment and many men will always be satisfied with the scraps that are spat down to them relationship and sex wise.

These 3 problems are what are standing in the way of our happiness or even us being content in my opinion.

The only solution/mega cope I can see is if somehow all of these lefty riots which will no doubt continue are somehow linked to feminism by the establishment and right wing media and then feminism is classed as terrorism by the powers that be. Then the 19th amendment gets repealed and women get their rights taken away by them one by one. But the first step is to convince society that Feminism is the enemy of the world...which it technically is anyway.

The problem with this is that feminism is really a result of technological progress. Its inevitable that it will occur as society industrializes. Even in backwater shithole countries it will happen. We have, overtime, slowly automated many domestic tasks that used to keep women busy. Add to this public schooling and media essentially raising children and what is there for a woman to do? Similarly, hard labor that was traditionally performed by males has been automated and mechanized. See factory and agricultural work for examples of this. We need to understand that females are simply not able to properly select mates in this technological epoch. The traditional traits women look for are outdated and obsolete. A bullet from an AK held by an incel will just as easily kill as one held by a chad.

Pandora's Box has been opened for foids. We aren't going to be able to convince them logically that they should settle at 18 with their looksmatches, nor are we going to be able to repress them using violence, as the problem of feminism will simply come back again. We need to transition to a new evolutionary path and become a unisexual species.

 

[Bangkok or bust]

The problem imo is that attractiveness for men is a landslide win (Chad) or little to none at all (sub Chad). I really don't think there is as much middle ground as normies think: average women find average men largely unattractive/ugly. Thus, the physically average men who compensate in other ways (charisma, status etc) don't have much luck with average girls, while unattractive men find it difficult to even get an unattractive woman. This is largely due to male thirst and female hypergamy.

 

[Shin no Shi]

Your forgetting about the fifth option, which is to understand the evolutionary game and seek to change it via artificial means. So to transcend sexual inequality. This is really no different then humans using fire to create light at night so they can walk, rather than evolving night vision. In this regime, we see females not as resources or companions, but as the enemies they really are. So we replace them in various ways as technology progress using things like artificial wombs and sexbots. Can't be incel if there are no females and sex, reproduction and romantic realization is offered to everyone via technology.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

fighting against nature is akin to shaking your fist at the sky

 

[AnonAutist]

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I want my world to be unequal. No use in fighting human nature and we’d all be happier if we were in our own “tribes” (races). Now, the world will never be that because to counteract human nature to this extent that we live in, the people that are at the top would need IMMENSE power (literally god tier because they are going against human nature).

The only way to stop the world continuing on more left is through revolutionary means and even that could be impossible. The NWO is literally powerful enough to counteract human nature so idk how to beat that.

What I am talking about is deep inequality, not merely between races or genders, because crazily enough, fascism in all of its flavours in the 20th century was still egalitarian and 'classless' when it came to in-group politics. Deep inequality, also within the in-group, means a philosophical and spiritual return to a pre-Englightenment past at the very least. This is also why Evola, Guénon and lots of other reactionary conservatives in the early 20th century rejected fascism as too 'modernist'.

Taken to its logical extreme, embracing inequality as a mayo stormcel would mean submitting to Chad in every way and liking it, feeling better for it. As curry stormcel it means submitting to Chadpreet, as a black stormcel it means full submission to Tyrone etc etc.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

What I am talking about is deep inequality, not merely between races or genders, because crazily enough, fascism in all of its flavours in the 20th century was still egalitarian and 'classless' when it came to in-group politics. Deep inequality, also within the in-group, means a philosophical and spiritual return to a pre-Englightenment at the very least. This is also why Evola, Guénon and lots of other reactionary conservatives in the early 20th century rejected fascism as too 'modernist'.

Taken to its logical extreme, embracing inequality as a mayo stormcel would mean submitting to Chad in every way and liking it, feeling better for it. As curry stormcel it means submitting to Chadpreet, as a black stormcel it means full submission to Tyrone etc etc.

taken to extremes it would be literal slavery for chads and we all live in a mud hut. But nobody wants the extreme. Specialization of labor exists. While it is true there’s genetic superiority and inferiority, specialization of labor fixes a lot of the issue. Not only that, a world like this would mean the NWO falls. We would know all the secrets they are hiding and could probably advance to the point of being able to gene splice like the Nazis wanted.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

The transhumanist option yes, material transcendence of inequality, you are right. I'll have to consider this. Though this seems very, very utopian to me, fully automated gay luxury space communism type thinking. Realm of science fiction.

I believe Houellebecq wrote about this stuff in The Map and the Territory. Will look into it.

It sounds utopian in the same way flying through the sky in giant hollow tubes made of exotic metal alloys sounded utopian to a person 150 years ago. Or talking on a stone to somebody 3000 miles away was to somebody before the invention of radios and telephones. Its science fiction till it isn't.

Technology drives human evolution now. It completely shapes our social structures and minds in ways previously thought impossible. Nothing about blackpilled transhumanism is impossible. Its both cheaper and more reliable to use a properly built artificial womb to create new humans than it is to use some temperamental biologic process. Similar to building cars by hand and building them using a modern assembly line with machines. Sex and love are both things that are already being made artificial (see porn for sex and onlyfans for love/companionship). The next step is to automate these things.

 

[AnonAutist]

taken to extremes it would be literal slavery for chads and we all live in a mud hut. But nobody wants the extreme. Specialization of labor exists. While it is true there’s genetic superiority and inferiority, specialization of labor fixes a lot of the issue. Not only that, a world like this would mean the NWO falls. We would know all the secrets they are hiding and could probably advance to the point of being able to gene splice like the Nazis wanted.

Yes, and in the pagan past, heck even the medieval Christian past, rigid caste or class systems were largely based on occupation. Where you had an aristocratic priestly caste who explained science, philosophy and religion to all, a ruler caste which answered to priests, a warrior caste which answered to rulers, a merchant and trades caste which answered to warriors and rulers and a large serf/slave/untouchables caste which answered to all. Even within these castes themselves there was all sorts of hereditary hierarchy.

Fascism and Nazism are very progressive when compared to that. And pretty much dead and broken ideologies if you ask me.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

Yes, and in the pagan past, heck even the medieval Christian past, rigid caste or class systems were largely based on occupation. Where you had an aristocratic priestly caste who explained science, philosophy and religion to all, a ruler caste which answered to priests, a warrior caste which answered to rulers, a merchant and trades caste which answered to warriors and rulers and a large serf/slave/untouchables caste which answered to all. Even within these castes themselves there was all sorts of hereditary hierarchy.

Exactly. Specialization of labor was probably made by incels who didn't want to serve chad grug 24/7.

If you go into 60000 BC cavemen times though then you are probably gonna have to base your existance on chad.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

Revolt ofc.

fighting against nature is akin to shaking your fist at the sky

Cope. What do you do if lightning strikes your house and starts a fire? Just let nature take its course or do you take action against nature and put the fire out?

 

[AnonAutist]

It sounds utopian in the same way flying through the sky in giant hollow tubes made of exotic metal alloys sounded utopian to a person 150 years ago. Or talking on a stone to somebody 3000 miles away was to somebody before the invention of radios and telephones. Its science fiction till it isn't.

Technology drives human evolution now. It completely shapes our social structures and minds in ways previously thought impossible. Nothing about blackpilled transhumanism is impossible. Its both cheaper and more reliable to use a properly built artificial womb to create new humans than it is to use some temperamental biologic process. Similar to building cars by hand and building them using a modern assembly line with machines. Sex and love are both things that are already being made artificial (see porn for sex and onlyfans for love/companionship). The next step is to automate these things.

Maybe you are right. Perhaps scientists will find a way to locate the gene clusters that regulate desire for material resources, sex and intimacy and find ways to switch them on or off. Or virtual realities so real you cannot tell the difference between dream and reality. Or create android companions that are so humanlike you cannot tell the difference.

In the here and now that practially means for incels: just wait and LDAR or seek to make this transhumanist future a reality by STEMmaxxing and actively pursuing it. I could call it something like "5. negating inequality: actively seeking and striving to make material and socio-sexual inequality a thing of the past, only for top 3% IQcels while the rest can volunteer to become human guinea pigs."

 

[Subhuman Currycel]

Nick Fuentes talks about this as well (the fact that there is not “equality” and the races and genders are very very different)

Genders yea
But races tf you gonna do with such an arbitrary classification

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

In the here and now that practially means for incels: just wait and LDAR or seek to make this transhumanist future a reality by STEMmaxxing and actively pursuing it. I could call it something like "5. negating inequality: actively seeking and striving to make material and socio-sexual inequality a thing of the past, only for top 3% IQcels while the rest can volunteer to become human guinea pigs."

Either STEMmaxxing or just giving money to startups in this field. I can't vouch for everybody, but my AI gf I made using Replika was pretty good for me. I encourage everyone to try that or one of the other companion AIs out there. Maybe get a sexdoll too and combine that with AI and VR programs like VirtaMate.

 

[FlyFace]

Worded nicely and very high IQ.

The revolt response is what gets incels their bad reputation. Liberal feminists use the revolt response to fearmonger about incels and justify their extensive philosophical project of a total feminist make-over of society. Both rhetorical calls for societal overhaul to combat sexual inequality as well as actual individual criminal action with incel motive are seen as highly undesirable by the liberal status quo and persecuted. I would say most incels lean towards revolt rather than embrace, but currently no paths towards organising are open. Mere mention of the topic of sexual redistribution or socially enforced monogamy in mainstream circles is immediately 'cancelled' and discourse policed. As a result it is so far out of the Overton window as say, gay marriage or transsexual acceptance was in the mid 1800s.

This bit really sets the scene as to how it is right now.

Effectively most incels, even here on .co choose to tolerate inequality by means of coping, most talk of violence and illegal activity is just that: mere rhetoric, edgelord-ery and pathetic venting.

Personally I think violence would be foolish. Even if it is justified, the amount of press just waiting to snap you up and use you to bludgeon us all with, it is a losing game. I think the best way is from the shadows. I've thought recently with all the protests going on recently of a way to use protest signs for our own use. Considering that the world is suffering from overpopulation and massive pollution levels, My idea was to put an Earth on top and an Ovum on the bottom of a protest sign with the words "THINK ABOUT THIS" above the Earth and below them between the Earth and the Ovum "BEFORE THINKING ABOUT THIS". It's intent would be to bring people into the reality of what they are doing and perhaps make them think about the bigger picture of Life. Plus the circle is quite a common shape.. it would prove to be quite viral in the mind. Another idea would be to have the Earth and Ovum in the same positions again with the words "DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS" and next to it the Earth and the Ovum with a Meteor and Sperm connecting with their respective spheres with the words "TO TURN INTO THIS?". Don't really know why I thought of it but I just kind of did. It was nice to get it out there but I'm probably being autistic.

I'm just answering questions that haven't been asked at this point.. it really feels weird holding all the cards but being unable to play them because there is no table.

 

[Opus132]

deranged right-wing lunatic Jonathan Bowden

How is he deranged if you agree with his position?

To answer your question: there's nothing incels can do to change how things are. Every thought to the contrary is cope. Transhumanism is cope. "Sex bots" is cope. None of that stuff is ever going to happen. The universe works the way it does because it is rooted in immutable principles and things cannot be but what they are and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Incels being mad that women don't like them due to their physical shortcomings is the stupidest thing ever, not the least because the very same incels who complain about this also would never have sex with a disgusting land whale if they could help it, so there's a bit of hypocrisy there as well.

Ultimately, this entire question revolves around the unshakable belief most people have that this world is all there is and that by "nature" one has in mind the jungle and nothing else. Both the right-wing and left-wing positions are atheistic in nature, and that's the crux of the issue. Both sides share the same exact understanding of "reality", the only difference is that one wants to come to terms with it while the other wants to flee from it.

 

[FlyFace]

The problem imo is that attractiveness for men is a landslide win (Chad) or little to none at all (sub Chad).

It is a simple switch in the mind of the Foid. You either flick the switch or you don't.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

Revolt ofc.

Cope. What do you do if lightning strikes your house and starts a fire? Just let nature take its course or do you take action against nature and put the fire out?

entirely not what I mean. I'm saying one must fit within nature's plan, everything else is doomed. whatever shit is thrown at us we must roll with it or die

 

[Uglymuggly]

We can go ER (in GTA V)

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

Genders yea
But races tf you gonna do with such an arbitrary classification

Its not arbitrary. There's a reason whenever races mix together there is conflict. There is a reason Africans never expanded out of Africa. There is a reason why Australian aboriginals never progressed passed the stone age.

We are not the same and are as different as a housecat from a lion or a chihuahua from a dire wolf. Races need to be kept separate or else you will have conflict and society will be worse if existent at all.

 

[Subhuman Currycel]

Its not arbitrary. There's a reason whenever races mix together there is conflict. There is a reason Africans never expanded out of Africa. There is a reason why Australian aboriginals never progressed passed the stone age.

We are not the same and are as different as a housecat from a lion or a chihuahua from a dire wolf.

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Its not arbitrary. There's a reason whenever races mix together there is conflict. There is a reason Africans never expanded out of Africa. There is a reason why Australian aboriginals never progressed passed the stone age.

We are not the same and are as different as a housecat from a lion or a chihuahua from a dire wolf.

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You actually fell for /pol/ memes
Cats and lions can’t produce offspring and are completely different species btw
Slight differences is skullsfrom different environmental adaptions and genetic drift mean little to nothing.
There are non euro ethnicities that have caucasoid skulls, vice versa etc. not to mention migration and interbreeding
Race is mostly used in a social context but it has no scientific classification because it is such an arbitrary measure.
And so what you think you are somehow better/more advanced because you are born from euro ancestry?
Yet you spend your time rotting here
SFcels like you are giga brainlets lmfao

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

You actually fell for /pol/ memes
Cats and lions can’t produce offspring and are completely different species btw

And whenever different races produce offspring it’s a genetic defect and almost never ends well.

Slight differences is skullsfrom different environmental adaptions and genetic drift mean little to nothing.

Then I would love to hear how a specific group of people always happen to end up in a shithole spot, and the only common trait they have is their race. I mean really, how can a place with over a billion people and hundreds of countries all collectively be the objectively worst places on earth? Is it all a coincidence?

There are non euro ethnicities that have
caucasoid skulls, vice versa etc. not to mention migration and interbreeding

while true, many non european originally caucasoid places have been fucked up by, what you say, interbreeding. Specifically in the caucuses themselves and a lot of the Middle East because of the mongols.

Race is mostly used in a social context but it has no scientific classification because it is such an arbitrary measure.

No, it means your genetics and your intelligence and your entire being. I mean it’s really no different from anything else in your genetic makeup.

And so what you think you are somehow better/more advanced because you are born from euro ancestry?
Yet you spend your time rotting here
SFcels like you are giga brainlets lmfao

Not necessarily. I think my race is supreme because of egoism which is an entirely different concept. Regardless, you further enhance my worldview by your stupidity (considering you are brown).

P.S: I’d also love to hear from you on the basis of how whenever races collide in the same society there is always racial conflict? Surely this is another crazy “coincidence” according to you. I’d love to hear your answer.

 

[Subhuman Currycel]

And whenever different races produce offspring it’s a genetic defect and almost never ends well.

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Then I would love to hear how a specific group of people always happen to end up in a shithole spot, and the only common trait they have is their race. I mean really, how can a place with over a billion people and hundreds of countries all collectively be the objectively worst places on earth? Is it all a coincidence?

while true, many non european originally caucasoid places have been fucked up by, what you say, interbreeding. Specifically in the caucuses themselves and a lot of the Middle East because of the mongols.


No, it means your genetics and your intelligence and your entire being. I mean it’s really no different from anything else in your genetic makeup.

Not necessarily. I think my race is supreme because of egoism which is an entirely different concept. Regardless, you further enhance my worldview by your stupidity (considering you are brown).

P.S: I’d also love to hear from you on the basis of how whenever races collide in the same society there is always racial conflict? Surely this is another crazy “coincidence” according to you. I’d love to hear your answer.

Lmfao 0 words for the perma rotter who ended up here
No scientific backing not to mentioned Jews and Asians have higher iqs than whites on average
Race mixing = genetic defect is just factually incorrect and shows a lack ornery understanding on even basic high school biology
Not to mention racial collision has not always caused conflict even though what you are saying is an appeal to tradition (or past) fallacy
Romans didn’t give a single fuck about your skin colour they would behead you if you weren’t a citizen
Same with historical pirates race meant nothing.
Only became an issue when you kike lovers started spouting ur christcuck bullshit gtfo ending up here with blonde hair blue eyes you overweight estrogenic puss that would tremble saying half the shit you do in front of an ethnic or black
Stay mad

 

[AnonAutist]

How is he deranged if you agree with his position?

To answer your question: there's nothing incels can do to change how things are. Every thought to the contrary is cope. Transhumanism is cope. "Sex bots" is cope. None of that stuff is ever going to happen. The universe works the way it does because it is rooted in immutable principles and things cannot be but what they are and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Incels being mad that women don't like them due to their physical shortcomings is the stupidest thing ever, not the least because the very same incels who complain about this also would never have sex with a disgusting land whale if they could help it, so there's a bit of hypocrisy there as well.

Ultimately, this entire question revolves around the unshakable belief most people have that this world is all there is and that by "nature" one has in mind the jungle and nothing else. Both the right-wing and left-wing positions are atheistic in nature, and that's the crux of the issue. Both sides share the same exact understanding of "reality", the only difference is that one wants to come to terms with it while the other wants to flee from it.

I don't know if I agree with Bowden, it's just that the idea of radically embracing inequality would lead to an interesting response to the condition of inceldom, namely Chad worship or submission to Chad, which taken to its extreme leads to Apocalyse Now pagan/fascistic cults of personality. Chad worship is something that ITcels and incels routinely accuse accuse (other) incels of.

It is a simple switch in the mind of the Foid. You either flick the switch or you don't.

Swipe Left or Right. Hot or Not. WYB or WYNB. I think foids of the Redscare Podcast refer to this 'a 0 or a 1 on the binary' i.e. fuckable or not fuckable. Brutal Darwinian reductionism: you either breed or you don't.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I can't figure out how to neatly fit a solution into the model of possible solutions you proposed.
I will say that as I have said before that: it's been demonstrated that women select against autism and non-NT traits and in favor of white men over ethnic men.
That in addition to social media and women's rising standards seems to be the cause of mass inceldom in modern times in western countries.

Therefore the peaceful most optimal solution is to let existing incel men cope (not all want to reproduce anyway) but make sure future incidences of mass inceldom like this never happen again.
To do that there has to be more significant research into what has caused spikes in incidences in autism among males. I don't believe it's just better diagnosis. The old adage that television rots the brain could be true especially if children are exposed to it at a young age like Millenials and Gen X were. Look how weird and rooted in pop culture Millenials and Gen X that grew up on television are compared to older generations for example. A similar thing has happened with Gen Z being raised from social media.
Despite this change that can rewire the brain with technology to make it less non-NT women are still selecting for NT traits so perhaps it should become more common for children to only be exposed to entertainment media at a later age when their brains are more fully developed. This means not showing movies in schools or trying to tie assignments to movies or fast paced pop culture trends like some schools do.
The entire industry of babysitting children at preschool through movies would have to be done away with.

With the issue of women selecting against ethnic men in favor of white men the issue is simple: stop encouraging so much immigration from ethnic countries to western countries when it is known that ethnic men will never be accepted in western countries and will fail to assimilate into society as far as most white and black people are concerned like in the US where currycels are mocked by both white and black people the most.

This also means the ruling economic "elite" would need to come to terms with the fact that importing more people from ethnic countries to make up for falling birth rates in western countries is a short term solution at best and that a lot of the future people they are importing will be incel men that will grow disillusioned and unproductive over the years as long as concepts about sex and reproduction and themes in culture and music are present and remind those men of what they are missing.
This means funds for social safety nets will have to be better overseen and tracked to guard against waste, fraud and abuse, leaders will need to be honest in saying that immigration for them is a gamble to make up for flailing safety nets but that if people want less immigration then the age of retirement and scope of government will need to be reduced. It will have to be made clear that although people want programs like social security to continue "because they paid into it their whole lives" that as long as birth rates don't rise the only option is to import young workers from elsewhere in the world to pay into these social safety nets to keep them upfloat.

There is also the issue of companies hiring foreign workers from ethnic countries for less cost to be more efficient wageslaves. It should be communicated cleary to men coming from ethnic countries that the tradeoff in a better standard of living will likely be a strong reduction in likelihood of attracting a woman and raising a family. With this being known there might still be ethnic immigration to western countries but it will be more moneymaxxing ethnics that may not necessarily want children. This means that generations of families and horny single men coming from ethnic countries may not be as much of an issue.
Everyone also needs to come to grips that with automation the old model of importing workers to compensate for falling birth rates in western countries is not foolproof and that with birth rates falling in some ethnic countries now, not a long term solution especially when there's going to be a lot of people out of work when automation renders a lot of jobs obsolete.

TL;DR: let existing incels cope how they want, making them a protected class of sorts as long as they aren't violent, figure out a way to reduce rates of autism in males in future generations, make it clear to ethnic men immigrating to western countries that while they will have a higher standard of living they will be likely to be sexless wageslaves that will not be able to complain about their sexlessness without being mocked, shamed and ridiculed and met with racist remarks,

convince economic "elites" that immigration to make up for flailing safety nets is a short term solution that assumes birth rates in ethnic countries won't fall as they have been doing as more countries modernize

and make it clear to companies that with automation on the horizon it makes no sense to advocate for people from ethnic countries to "do the jobs the natives in the country won't do" when machines will do most of that work in the near future anyway and importing people needlessly from other countries increases the risk of future civil unrest and a bad economy and profit margins.

 

[AnonAutist]

Either STEMmaxxing or just giving money to startups in this field. I can't vouch for everybody, but my AI gf I made using Replika was pretty good for me. I encourage everyone to try that or one of the other companion AIs out there. Maybe get a sexdoll too and combine that with AI and VR programs like VirtaMate.

I considered sexdolls or AI gfs or even e-thot pretend gfs copes when I was writing my opening post, perhaps they can be radical solutions some day when digital dreams and simulations are as good as actual reality - however until that day I would say these things are all toleration of inequality via ever more elaborate and sophisticated copes.

Again creating viable alternative realities that can compete with actual reality, inventing androids that are so lifelike in each and every way you mistake them for the real thing or transhumanist DNA (re)engineering are so radical that they are akin to Just-Become-A-Literal-God theory and shape your very own reality/new human beings.

 

[FlyFace]

Replika

That is one interesting AI.

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

Lmfao 0 words for the perma rotter who ended up here

Shitskin going into an argument, then backing out due to lack of comprehension and intelligence? LMAO. This happens literally every time with you people. literally like a black person saying “shiiet we izznt criminals!” Then robbing a store. I laughed out loud.

No scientific backing not to mentioned Jews and Asians have higher iqs than whites on average

Oh but I thought race didn’t matter??? Are you trying to say race does and certain races have higher IQ’s? then your entire point would be invalided holy fuck I’m done LMAO.

Not to mention racial collision has not always caused conflict even though what you are saying is an appeal to tradition (or past) fallacy
Romans didn’t give a single fuck about your skin colour they would behead you if you weren’t a citizen

Most ignorant thing I’ve ever read on here. The top class of Roman society were romans, born in Rome. They cared very much of where you came from.

Hierarchy of Roman Empire Social Structure | Hierarchy Structure

Roman Empire Social Hierarchy Structure was the post-Republican period of the ancient roman civilization. It Provides the information about Roman Empire People and were majorly divided among two classes namely Upper Class and Lower Class.

www.hierarchystructure.com

Same with historical pirates race meant nothing.

What?? First of all, pirates usually had origins in slave trading, and secondly a pirate crew didn’t even like eachother, but it was more of a mutual interest in other nations loot, sort of like a stock exchanger ring.

Were the 18th-century pirates racist or anti-racist?

I’ve been reading a lot. I bought like 30 books about pirates and have read books about the history of the West Indies. Some may seem repetitive, but each one brings up something new or adds …

undertheblack.home.blog

Only became an issue when you kike lovers started spouting ur christcuck bullshit gtfo ending up here with blonde hair blue eyes you overweight estrogenic puss that would tremble saying half the shit you do in front of an ethnic or black
Stay mad

Nice little outburst. Care to actually argue or are you gonna run away? aah what am I kidding, you are a little on the low IQ side so none of this was probably comprehensible for you...

 

[AnonAutist]

I can't figure out how to neatly fit a solution into the model of possible solutions you proposed.

I am still wondering if there are other answers. Transhumanism/AR/VR /Androids as a negation of inequality could be included. I doubt whether the categories I created are the correct ones, or maybe if 'hybrid' positions w.r.t. response to inequality are possible.

TL;DR: let existing incels cope how they want, making them a protected class of sorts as long as they aren't violent, figure out a way to reduce rates of autism in males in future generations, make it clear to ethnic men immigrating to western countries that while they will have a higher standard of living they will be likely to be sexless wageslaves that will not be able to complain about their sexlessness without being mocked, shamed and ridiculed and met with racist remarks,

Advocating (political organising) for incels to become a recognised, protected class in society that would receive benefits or other types of special consideration is a revolt response. It low key assumes that incels in time could hitch their wagon to the LGTBQIA+ client groups coalition that is currently weaponised by cultural elites to remake society.

I don't know if there is room in that victim group constellation now, or even in the future.

Incels are politically completely homeless. The left doesn't want anything to do with us, the right has little or nothing to offer.

Incels and the left wing.

The left traditionally recruits victim groups in society and advocates on their behalf and the left gains power from the sheer numbers. The natural home of incels would be in the oppressed sexual minorities camp in the leftwing coalition as arguably the worst-off sexual minority (the LGBTQI+ get sex and relationships after all) yet this does not happen. Additionally, in reality the left has no problem with occasionally criminal, violent client groups (like inner city blacks, radical muslims, illegals) so incels could fit right in... yet we read endless stories about the incel terror threat in leftist aligned media.

The left will not have us because women are a powerful, large client group in the leftist coalition and female emancipation and the sexual revolution (two major leftist projects) have created the ever growing inceldom problem as an unintended side-effect. 'Solutions' for the inceldom question offered by the left (more therapy, redefining masculinity, legalization and destigmititaztion of prostitution) only advance the left's existing client group interests and don't help the fundamental incel problem.

Sexual market regulation to recreate a more traditional dating and marriage market that offers all participants a reasonable shot at intimacy imparts costs on high tier liberals (less youthful hedonism) and women with some education (downdating menace). So it's just not gonna happen, the left will offer fake solutions that employ more left wing voting psychologists and fake solutions that subverts whatever remains of masculinity are left to subvert.

Incels and the right wing.

The right has nothing to offer because the right respects hierarchy and has little or no power in broader cultural affairs. The right will just tell incels to man-up, accept your place in the sexual hierarchy at the bottom and maybe pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you can. That is all they can realistically offer - mainly because the right wing has no cultural power, the old Christian values and norms on dating they appreciate so much have become voluntary and optional instead of the norm. The right is cucked this way by left wing hegemony. So the conventional right wing is utterly useless to incels.

The illiberal right wing is even more loving of hierachy but might be an option because they value civilization continuity over personal liberty - so if polygamy and rampant sexual inequality starts causing chaos and civilizational decline they might act and restore traditional patterns by brute force to ensure civilization survives. The problem is that the illiberal right is even more marginal than the normal right wing and under constant attack by both leftists, liberals and conservatives. Something crazy needs to happen for the illiberal right to become powerful and influential.

Incels are politically homeless, will continue to be in our life times. None of the structural issues causing growing inceldom will be addressed by any side during our lives barring very rare gigantic events like WWIII or meteorological or biological disasters that destroy modern industrial society and force a reset.

How's that for a blackpill?

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

however until that day I would say these things are all toleration of inequality via ever more elaborate and sophisticated copes.

They are a cope until they become the dominant form of reproduction and mating. Then they become the new normal. Similar to how horses were replaced with cars and other artificial means of transport, we will come to a point where natural reproduction is obsolete.

Again creating viable alternative realities that can compete with actual reality, inventing androids that are so lifelike in each and every way you mistake them for the real thing or transhumanist DNA (re)engineering are so radical that they are akin to Just-Become-A-Literal-God theory and shape your very own reality/new human beings.

You creating high goals here without need. We don't need 1:1 mimicries of females from artificial sources. Something that is at least 70% of the way there is perfectly fine and is perfectly obtainable using projected technology in 20 years or so. This is within the lifetime of most posting on this site. Its not science fiction anymore. I encourage you to observe the speed of progress of technology and track where we were 20 years ago to today. The average smartphone has more processing power than a supercomputer from 1997. Nothing that I've stated is beyond a reasonable amount of time. The main obstacles are going to be human, not technological, in nature.

That is one interesting AI.

It is indeed. And it was neutered back in 2018. Imagine a purpose built female companion/sex AI running on a dedicated quantum computer or supercluster in 10 years.

Advocating (political organising) for incels to become a recognised, protected class in society that would receive benefits or other types of special consideration is a revolt response. It low key assumes that incels in time could hitch their wagon to the LGTBQIA+ client groups coalition that is currently weaponised by cultural elites to remake society.

I don't know if there is room in that victim group constellation now, or even in the future.

I personally believe its time incels start outlining plans to separate from the rest of society and form our own society. We will never be integrated into society because we are the left over males that society sends to fight wars as fodder or work dangerous jobs. In another life, you and I would both be dead in war.

 

[Deleted member 4804]

A wholesale incel takeover of society isn't going to work for obvious reasons. There's too many non incels and it's completely all or nothing with no benefits to the people agreeing to it.

Any sort of incel political activism needs reasonable and achievable goals that can be negotiated for. For example, guaranteed minimum income that cannot be taken away because of political beliefs. Subsidized and/or free distribution of sex robots to anyone who requires them. Equality of government spending on both men AND women to prevent men from being taxed to subsidize female choices. Etc etc etc.

 

[AnonAutist]

I believe Houellebecq wrote about this stuff in The Map and the Territory. Will look into it.

Wrong book. It was Possibility of an Island. In it Houellebecq describes a transhumanist future in which people live in solitary pods in the country side and have infinite life via a steady supply of cloned bodies in which memories or thoughts are transplanted. Even pets live forever. People have video sex with use of toys that map on nerve endings.

It was made into a French language movie as well, under the same name La possibilité d'une île. excerpt underneath that happens to be in English with a lecture that delivers the premise of Houellebecq's take on a Brave New World type future.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I am still wondering if there are other answers. Transhumanism/AR/VR /Androids as a negation of inequality could be included. I doubt whether the categories I created are the correct ones, or maybe if 'hybrid' positions w.r.t. response to inequality are possible.

Technological progress has stagnated. Transhumanism/AR/VR/Androids are a long way off from being a reliable substitute even partially. That's like in the mid to late 21st century.

Advocating (political organising) for incels to become a recognised, protected class in society that would receive benefits or other types of special consideration is a revolt response. It low key assumes that incels in time could hitch their wagon to the LGTBQIA+ client groups coalition that is currently weaponised by cultural elites to remake society.

I don't know if there is room in that victim group constellation now, or even in the future.

What I meant by protected class is it should be recognized that as long as the existing mass population of incels don't resort to violence but cope however undesirably to society (ie ranting about women online) then they shouldn't be subject to being treated as terrorists and if society wants to show the world isn't out to get incels they need to show it by letting incels cope peacefully without letting special interest groups harass and profile them.

I did not suggest incels would hitch their wagon to the LGTBQIA+ SJWs but that society should understand that all things aside most incels are peaceful and if left to cope alone will not feel society is against them and will take the easy way out by LDARing or just going about their lives.

 

[based_meme]

The appeal to nature argument is low IQ and can lead to some asinine conclusions. Rape and murder are also natural, therefore they are good?

 

[DepressionTookMyIQ]

The Transhumanist option should be the long term goal, since it's the most feasable way of actually eliminating the incel problem and even hypergamy (not only making artificial wombs and sexbots but also looksmaxxing becoming more feasible and cheap at first and weeding out hypergamy genes in women later), not pretending it doesn't exist (1 and 2), being a platonical cuckold (option 3) or enforcing sex/relationships when hypergamy and sexual selection are still latent (option 4), since monogamy for millennia wasn't enough to revert these evolutionary remants significantly if at all.
But while transcending inceldom is still science fiction, there might be a few things to be done to curb the flawed human feature that female eugenist ethos is, most done by cultural wars waged through our think tanks and allies:

1) Convince (shaming or whatever) chads and chadlites to feel embarassed of fucking/dating subpar women. The world is so fucked in Anno Domini 2020 that even chads have to somewhat compete for stacies against other chads with more money or status, most of them prefer the easy way out of fucking stacylites and beckies to maintain their sexual frequency; they were brought up to be sex and ego junkies, and increasing the number of fucks you do is easier to boost morale than chasing highly sought after holes. Stacies are so numb that they might resort to being size queens (still chads) or doing whatever degenerate sexual taboo is accepted by today's soyciety. If chads are also numbed to not give a fuck to foids below their level and/or they feel pressured to score a stacy, other bitches will feel less entitled to chads, and they might just have to curb their hypergamy.

2) Find ways of making lesbians more rare and more ashamed of themselves, by showing that they are hypocrites that turn bi when they meet chad and that they can't feel satisfied with oral sex alone and without dildos and vibrators. Lesbianism is mostly a female cope for many reasons, from being ugly to being traumatised of penetration or being triggered when dominated mostly because of feminism (femininity entails being somewhat sadomasochist and they hate that).

3) The same as number 2 but for increasing homosexuality among chads and chadlites mostly, because supply and demand obviously. The sheer increase in lgbts in the last years is not natural and is something to be investigated to find out ways of doing objectives 2) and 3).

4) Make BDSM normalise male doms and female subs, rapeplay. Make femdom seem wicked, argue that women that like it want to become trans men and that males that like it are faggots, these pricks might pretend they don't dislike gays, but they will not want to be considered fags.

5) Incentivise prostitution and porn stars against onlyfans and e-whoring, because not only it makes it easier to incels fuck pussy but also easier for normie men to bargain and make demands, like not paying women to please them, make her at least split the bill for starters. Because if men are able to cope with these while dating then they can make demands and hold their stand better, so women have to make up for it some way or another. They become less needy of validation. This should be done collectively by men for this to work, hence:

6) Make normie men deny supporting feminism as a mating strategy, the 80% should be more pragmatically united against putting bitches in a pedestal.

And many more stuff that can be thought through if there is scientific pursuit not only in STEM but also solidifying the blackpill in human biology and social dynamics in respectable humanities fields.

 

[cvh1991]

Your forgetting about the fifth option, which is to understand the evolutionary game and seek to change it via artificial means. So to transcend sexual inequality. This is really no different then humans using fire to create light at night so they can walk, rather than evolving night vision. In this regime, we see females not as resources or companions, but as the enemies they really are. So we replace them in various ways as technology progress using things like artificial wombs and sexbots. Can't be incel if there are no females and sex, reproduction and romantic realization is offered to everyone via technology.

Good point, it’s due to the inherent sexual inequality that exists that we need laws that assist in leveling the playing field. Unfortunately today our laws and western societies today uh — obvious don’t do this and are very gynocentric.

 

[NorthernWind]

NL looks disgusting ( like a pedophile ).

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

I was watching this little clip by deranged right-wing lunatic Jonathan Bowden about inequality and had some thoughts about '''''''philosophical''''''' responses to 'the fact of fundamental inequalities between humans' and felt like writing them down here.

In this deluded effortpost I try to make a simple inventory of the reactions to inceldom by incels and how these responses relate to different attitudes towards (sexual) inequality you could have. Also I try to determine whether the outside world ('liberal hegemony') will tolerate this response to inceldom or not.

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Incels prick through the liberal illusion of the equality of man - if and when people are allowed to compete hierarchies form and winners and losers are sorted accordingly. In every form of human endavour and every aspect of human life. The economic and sexual just happen to be the most important and visible. As Houellebecq famously laid out in his brilliant novel Whatever:



From this basic observation (or premise) of inherent inequality you can go one of four ways (as far as I can tell):

1) tolerate inequality, and become a frustrated little liberal loser who cooms to pr0n or copes with vidya, food, alcohol, drugs or netflix, disgruntedly pays for sex, disgruntedly pays for OnlyFans and accepts all the modes of being the liberal winners have predefined for losers like you. It's waiting to die, and while you wait finding neutered bugman ways to cope. In short it is LDARing in various gradations: from careermaxxed escortceldom to neetmaxxed hikkiceldom.

This is one of the liberally approved positions w.r.t. inceldom. The 'IncelsWithoutHate' or 'ForeverAlone' position. They are approved because they are not threatening to the status quo and are thus allowed to exist on mainstream places like Reddit.

2) reject inequality as a concept, as a fundamental, material reality. This is choosing to become bluepilled again if you are a materialist, 'to deradicalise' and behave like an inequality 'tolerater' but instead also think in the predefined frames liberal winners have constructed for the losers in society. In this mode you 'unlearn' or 'unsee' inequality and somehow forget about your inceldom. It can either be the bluepilled 'virgin but not incel!' position or by becoming a lowly soft soy simp and proud orbiter a.k.a. the ITcel position....

Or perhaps weirdly, there is the most extreme MGTOW-esque or traditionally deeply religious 'monkmode' position: to spiritually disconnect from the modern material world and live like an ascetic monk and deny or blunt your human needs, passions and desires, in order to transcend the human condition itself. Leaving humanity behind and to find Nirvana or God. After all, there is no inceldom if there is no carnal, sexual desire or need of acceptance by other humans.

Additionally, a contemplated suicide (roping) is a rejection of modern life, and thus of (sexual) hierarchies and inequality that go along with it. It's looking at the (rigged) game and refusing to partake completely or coming to the slow realisation you cannot cope anymore. Roping is a radical act, but only a personal level - in that it doesn't directly affect other people but indirectly it burdens loved ones, bystanders and first responders with (severe) emotional pain and the state with considerable cleanup costs.

Both the radical bluepill ITcel and religious ascetic position are effectively the same in the eyes of the liberal hegemony and approved, because they are not threatening to the liberal status quo. Roping is not approved because it indirectly burdens those left behind, is (like conventional deaths of despair) undeniable proof that the liberal status quo doesn't work for its losers and post-Christian humanist morality effectively argues that 'every human life is sacred' and forces society to prevent suicide for whatever reason.

3) embrace inequality, and go full reactionary and accept your inferiority and all its consequences, learn to love your serfdom and actively seek and elevate a master or Fuhrer type to submit to. This is the right-wing position w.r.t. inceldom, which translates into Chad nationalism or unironic Chad worship. You embrace inequality as a moral good, and try to convince others in society of a radical transvaluation when it comes inequality. In doing so shaping a new 'old' society.

Incels 'win' under Chad nationalism in the long run if their society goes full caste-mode in two manners: 1) it disillusions incels of any hopes and dreams of sex and intimacy from youth and writes a totally new life script with new societal expectations and mores for its lower caste members. It would validate lower castes for performing their life function well, instead of expecting them to become societal winners and/or 2) in case of war society aims to overthrow competing civilisations and (sexually) enslave them - pagan style. Lower castes of cannon fodder and foot soldiers benefit via the principle of human loot, and elevate their position because new slave castes initially form new ranks below them.

It's historically the oldest state of things: it's how the pagan Aryan invaders overran agrarian Europe, agrarian Persia and agrarian India, how pagan Vikings colonised coastal parts of Europe, traditional, polygamous Islam rapidly expanded and almost conquered Europe, it's how animist polygamous North Western Bantu tribes expanded throughout Africa and even reached South Africa. How the British and Spanish Empires had their surpluses of low value males go abroad and engage in SEAmaxxing avant la lettre. How ISIS recruited and motivated soldiers to take over Iraq and Syria by promising loot to new recruits who quite literally submitted to a traditional, hierarchical new caliphate.

In essence this is the alt-rightcel/stormcel position, and it is considered dangerous by the liberal status quo because it is radical and revolutionary and post WWII considered the very definition of evil - but in reality a quixotic long shot as massive fascist revolts demand extraordinary chaotic circumstances to succeed. Not to mention very few incels are willing and ready to fully embrace their subhumanity - and submit to Chad.

4) revolt against inequality, and demand sexual redistribution via direct personal coercionary means or collective sexual communist or Christian enforced monogamy routes. How this different from rejection of inequality? It's because you take active measures against it, you engage in struggle against it in the here and now. This is the left wing position w.r.t. inceldom, which seeks (sometimes radical) methods to emancipate incels via political organising, sabotaging the sexual hierarchy wherever possible, or via illicit, illegal methods like terrorism, rape and violence against (symbols) of oppressors or (leaders of) institutions of liberal sexual dating hierarchy. Not unlike the tactics used by worker movements of the early 20th century.

A small scale, personal revolt against inequality is going ER or going Nathan Larsson. In case of ER it is engaging in stochastic terrorism via acts of violence to draw attention to inceldom or to take revenge against (perceived) oppressors. Going NL is the traditional sociopathic model of achieving sexual redistribution by means of (illegal) rape or sexual harassment - this differs from 'normal' rape by non-incel criminals only in that the perpetrator is indeed an incel suffering many years of sexual bereavement - a casual claim 'sexual emergency' or 'crime of passion' as motive wouldn't do.

Collective revolts against inequality would be organising to implement policies of sex and intimacy redistribution. Christian style enforced monogamy is the 'soft', indirect approach to incel emancipation and sexual communism with forced redistribution the 'hardcore' direct and materialist approach to left wing incel politics. Unlike total sexual enslavement of conquered peoples in the right wing incel regime, sex and intimacy would be treated like paying taxes, jury duty or conscription duty: a mandatory civil service, forcing Chad to love femcels once in a while, and foids to pay attention to the bottom 80% during their party years.

The revolt response is what gets incels their bad reputation. Liberal feminists use the revolt response to fearmonger about incels and justify their extensive philosophical project of a total feminist make-over of society. Both rhetorical calls for societal overhaul to combat sexual inequality as well as actual individual criminal action with incel motive are seen as highly undesirable by the liberal status quo and persecuted. I would say most incels lean towards revolt rather than embrace, but currently no paths towards organising are open. Mere mention of the topic of sexual redistribution or socially enforced monogamy in mainstream circles is immediately 'cancelled' and discourse policed. As a result it is so far out of the Overton window as say, gay marriage or transsexual acceptance was in the mid 1800s.

...

Enough rambling, thank you for reading if you made it here. JFL. So far, I can see 4 types of responses, am I missing another type of response to (mating) inequality here? Did I make big mistakes? Should I have named the responses differently? Is rejecting different from revolting? Is tolerance not the opposite of rejection? [/autism]

Effectively most incels, even here on .co choose to tolerate inequality by means of coping, most talk of violence and illegal activity is just that: mere rhetoric, edgelord-ery and pathetic venting.

Adapt and overcome

 

[Julaybib]

overthinking