[Discussion] Is morality objective or subjective?

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subjective.

In times of war you could kill and be considered a hero

In times like this, you'd spend the rest of your life in guilt and PTSD cuz society told you its wrong
 
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I'm too low iq for this
 
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I'll just say I agree with BlackPillPress on this one
 
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Objective. Subjective leads to woman saying hypergamy and polygamy with tall white 6'5 henry cavill FWB moggers and cheating on low tier men and divorce raping them and leeching their money is gender equality.
 
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subjective.

In times of war you could kill and be considered a hero

In times like this, you'd spend the rest of your life in guilt and PTSD cuz society told you its wrong
Yep. Depends on the culture you grew up in. People would be publicly tortured/executed back then and the entire town would show up to gawk and to be entertained. Nowadays we think of that as barbaric behavior.
 
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Subjective. Everyone has their own values and their own ideas about what is right and wrong. The only way it could be objective is if there were some universal standard that applied to everyone
 
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Subjective, it's all fucking subjective.
 
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Objective morality does not exist.
 
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Why?
Well, first, you have to understand one simple thing: There is no universal, omnipresent (inherent) meaning of life; thereby there is no objective reason to life, and neither is there an objective meaning to it.
Consequentially, everything (including morality) is, by extension, entirely subjective.
People create these illusory subjective concepts of 'meaning' and 'morals' despite the fact these concepts never existed until humanity existed, whereby humans subjectivity processed the world around them and then subjectively determined what is morality based on their subjective reality.
'Objective morality' is nothing but a mixed-pool of human emotions and cultures; it's entirely founded on subjectivity within itself.
This is easily demonstrated by the fact that if you were to gather a group of a thousand people who believe in 'objective morality' and ask them what thirty of their 'objective morals' are, you'd get vastly different results for each individual.
Likewise, if were you ask a thousand incels who believe in objective morality and ask them what thirty of their 'objective morals' are, you'd (yet again) get conflicting outcomes.
Any 'objective morales' that one possesses are, in actuality, entirely subjective and are heavily influenced by a variety of factors wherein said 'objectivity' becomes subjectivity.
 
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Morality is a social construct. In nature there is no concept of morality, there is just survival and reproduction.

Oh and if you ever debate a vegan (they love appealing to morals and justifications for actions in their arguments) never cling on to morality, because you will always lose the debate. Instead appeal to nature, and how far they are removed from it.
 
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Objective. Subjective leads to woman saying hypergamy and polygamy with tall white 6'5 henry cavill FWB moggers and cheating on low tier men and divorce raping them and leeching their money is gender equality.
objective because what is good is what is sustainable, and was is sustainable is objective.
what is also objective is the means of achieving that goodness.
of course peoples goals will vary form bad to good, but what is good from the eyes of the people who are living a good way view good as objective.
if a non good person follows a bad path, that doesn't make morality subjective, for what is good still remains.
 
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Actions can be either objectively beneficial or detrimental to the wellbeing X number of people. Generally morality is enhancement the wellbeing of people who are beneficial and detrimental actions are moral when aimed at people who are detrimental that seek to limit their detriment to others. So the justice system is moral and so can be warfare if it opposes a greater evil. An opinion that doesn't do either of these things is purely subjective and based on culture.
 
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Depends on whether you're religious or not I think
 
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Objective. Seems people in this thread are confusing morality with social norms. Morality is what separates us from animals so people appealing to the animal kingdom are wrong
Subjective. Everyone has their own values and their own ideas about what is right and wrong. The only way it could be objective is if there were some universal standard that applied to everyone
You cant think of any universal standards that apply to everyone? For instance no one wants to be robbed or else that wouldnt be robbery. No one wants to be raped or it wouldnt be considered rape if that were so, it would be considered love making. No one wants to be murdered or it would be considered assisted suicide. I could go on but yes, there are universal principles when it comes to how people behave and that is what governs morality
 
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For Islamists its objective, for secular cucks it subjective.
 
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For Islamists its objective, for secular cucks it subjective.
Its objective for everyone whether they understand it or not
 
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Morality is only real in the minds of people. Take away people and it does not exist.
 
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Objective. Seems people in this thread are confusing morality with social norms. Morality is what separates us from animals so people appealing to the animal kingdom are wrong

You cant think of any universal standards that apply to everyone? For instance no one wants to be robbed or else that wouldnt be robbery. No one wants to be raped or it wouldnt be considered rape if that were so, it would be considered love making. No one wants to be murdered or it would be considered assisted suicide. I could go on but yes, there are universal principles when it comes to how people behave and that is what governs morality
But where do the words murder, rape, robbery come from? You’re just appealing to the use of words, the question is where the words come from.
 
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Power is law. Power is morality. He who can't be questioned. Challenged or changed defines morality. So morality itself doesn't exist in a natural sense. But artificially it can.
 
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But where do the words murder, rape, robbery come from? You’re just appealing to the use of words, the question is where the words come from.
Of course the words are tools to describe the world around us. Wtf does appealing to the use of words even mean
 
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Its objective for everyone whether they understand it or not
You provided only three very obvious black and white examples. However as incels it's the contested areas that have screwed us because of the decisions made by secular cucks. Whatabout public nudity and what constitutes public nudity and porn?
 
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You provided only three very obvious black and white examples. However as incels it's the contested areas that have screwed us because of the decisions made by secular cucks. Whatabout public nudity and what constitutes public nudity and porn?
Not sure what youre asking though public nudity and porn are both immoral
 
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Public nudity and porn may be offensive to some people but is offending certain people immoral? You may offend a foid with your damn ugly face but it doesn't mean you're doing anything particularly wrong.
 
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Public nudity and porn may be offensive to some people but is offending certain people immoral? You may offend a foid with your damn ugly face but it doesn't mean you're doing anything particularly wrong.
Porn isnt just offensive, it attacks the minds of men and exploits the women involved for profit.
 
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Porn isnt just offensive, it attacks the minds of men and exploits the women involved for profit.
Foids want to fuck chad anyway, if they actually get paid for it that's all the better for them. It's like being paid to eat a chocolate cake. Some men want their mind attacked as well.



That's put a smile on her face look.
 
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Not sure what youre asking though public nudity and porn are both immoral
According to secularcucks it's a womans choice and she can do so if she pleases, it's not a question of morality. Just go out on a friday night in any western city centre after covid is over.It only becomes public nudity is she shows her nipples and pussy, everything else is fair game.
 
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According to secularcucks it's a womans choice and she can do so if she pleases, it's not a question of morality. Just go out on a friday night in any western city centre after covid is over.It only becomes public nudity is she shows her nipples and pussy, everything else is fair game.
It will only be immoral if you can explain the harm a woman going out to get fucked by chad causes to someone else. It's not immoral for them to fuck someone they find sexually desirable and not us who they don't. That's the natural order of things. Female peacocks will fuck the male peacock with the longest tail feathers and therefore the best genes.
 
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Foids want to fuck chad anyway, if they actually get paid for it that's all the better for them. It's like being paid to eat a chocolate cake. Some men want their mind attacked as well.



That's put a smile on her face look.
What does any of that have to do with morality
 
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Cucked mindset. Women should be the property of responsible husbands
not exploiting foids is cucked.
foids should be put in forced labour and used only for economic gain and controlled reproduction in labs
 
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What does any of that have to do with morality
You have to be able to demonstrate the overall negative consequences of an action for it to be immoral. You tried to do that by saying it's exploitation for the foid but that's not necessarily the case. They're doing what they would do anyway (fucking chad) and being paid. That's a win win for them. And there are men want to pay to see her get fucked so that's just a transaction of a service, so again there are no negative repercussions.
 
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not exploiting foids is cucked.
foids should be put in forced labour and used only for economic gain and controlled reproduction in labs
Epic. Lets start with all the foids in your family then
You have to be able to demonstrate the overall negative consequences of an action for it to be immoral. You tried to do that by saying it's exploitation for the foid but that's not necessarily the case. They're doing what they would do anyway (fucking chad) and being paid. That's a win win for them. And there are men want to pay to see her get fucked so that's just a transaction of a service, so again there are no negative repercussions.
Are you implying that as long as a service is provided that the service could not be immoral? Im not sure that follows. Also the common denominator with women in porn is that they were abused as children, same with sex workers. It is exploitation. Its also kind of cucked you cant intuitively see the negative consequences of foids fucking every guy they see. Do i need to spell that one out for you as well?
 
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Subjective
The positive and negative impact of certain actions are objective though. If I punched you in the face that would cause you objective pain and would not be to your benefit that's not a subjective thing. That would be an immoral action unless there was a positive outcome to you being punched in the face, say you were trying to rape a woman. So I've come in there and defended her and the overall result would then be moral even though I still punched you in the face. I probably still wouldn't get a shag though.
 
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The positive and negative impact of certain actions are objective though. If I punched you in the face that would cause you objective pain and would not be to your benefit that's not a subjective thing. That would be an immoral action unless there was a positive outcome to you being punched in the face, say you were trying to rape a woman. So I've come in there and defended her and the overall result would then be moral even though I still punched you in the face. I probably still wouldn't get a shag though.
Morally though what made you punch me in the face? Was it justified? Justification comes with morality. And justification is subjective
 
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Objective
Just because you choose lesser evil, doesn't make it good