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I've changed my mind about prostitutes

Robo Sapien

Robo Sapien

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I think guys on this website give paying for sex a bad wrap, and I honestly don't think it should have a bad wrap. One has to realize that men pay for sex no matter what. Some men pay for sex with genetic currency (looks), others with social currency (friends who can perform favors), and the rest through resource-based currency (money, gifts). No matter what, you're triggering that primal rewards center of the brain when she allows you to have sex with her.

I bring all of this up because I think those who have the resources should consider building families in non-conventional ways until transhumanist technologies exist, i.e. the artificial womb and sex robots. I think those of us who can afford it should consider prostitutes for our leisure, surrogates for childbearing, and nannies for raising our children. This is of course a strategy that can only be implemented by those who make sufficient money. Nevertheless, I think this is a viable substitute until legitimate artificial technologies exist. Let's just say that you want the ideal life of sex and friends. What would this entail? For starters, what does the ideal woman do for her mate? I believe we can break these down into discrete tasks.

An ideal woman:
  1. Is the maid
  2. Is a nanny/babysitter
  3. acts as a surrogate
  4. Is a psychologist/relationship coach you can take outside for walks and dinner dates.
  5. Is an escort
  6. Is a teacher/tutor for your children.
  7. Is the primary chef for the family.

So let's break down how much all of this costs.
  1. Average salary of a maid is $24,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  2. A nanny's average salary is roughly $30,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  3. A surrogate costs roughly $40,000 - $50,000 per child depending on how many accommodations you want for your child.
  4. psychologist/relationship coach: $20,000 - $30,000 per year
  5. An escort if you were to pay for the average escort ($200 * 2 hours a session) * 2 times a week = 800 a week * 26 weeks a year (every other week) = $20,800 per year
  6. A teacher's low salary $30,000 per year
  7. chef's salary is ~$30,000 per year

So let's say that you plan on having 3 children over 10 years and raising them until they are 20 years old. That means that over 30 years, the average cost of that child is $5,000. So, per year your total would come out to $159,800. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible.

Now, you can cut cost by merging the maid, the baby sitter, and the tutor into one position that pays a livable wage of $50,000 - $60,000 USD. Most women would jump at the opportunity to make that much money and as a bonus she could live in your house and have living expenses paid for. This would save you roughly 30,000 USD, and you can cut the chef position. Which is an additional 30,000 USD. This could reduce the cost to 100,000 USD a year. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible. Ultimately, I think this is only a temporary solution and for richcels. Men who clearly make over 200K or 300K a year. This is a very small percentage of the population, but anyone can invest in a good portfolio and save 10 years worth of money to afford this. I ultimately think this is a temporary solution to some of our problems.
 
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Damn, you've done your research. Although I wouldn't personally do it, this is a thread that deserves to be spread.
 
An escort fucks other men. Fucking an escort is cucked.
 
Damn, you've done your research. Although I wouldn't personally do it, this is a thread that deserves to be spread.

Should be considered as Incels
I think guys on this website give paying for sex a bad wrap, and I honestly don't think it should have a bad wrap. One has to realize that men pay for sex no matter what. Some men pay for sex with genetic currency (looks), others with social currency (friends who can perform favors), and the rest through resource-based currency (money, gifts). No matter what, you're triggering that primal rewards center of the brain when she allows you to have sex with her.

I bring all of this up because I think those who have the resources should consider building families in non-conventional ways until transhumanist technologies exist, i.e. the artificial womb and sex robots. I think those of us who can afford it should consider prostitutes for our leisure, surrogates for childbearing, and nannies for raising our children. This is of course a strategy that can only be implemented by those who make sufficient money. Nevertheless, I think this is a viable substitute until legitimate artificial technologies exist. Let's just say that you want the ideal life of sex and friends. What would this entail? For starters, what does the ideal woman do for her mate? I believe we can break these down into discrete tasks.

An ideal woman:
  1. Is the maid
  2. Is a nanny/babysitter
  3. acts as a surrogate
  4. Is a psychologist/relationship coach you can take outside for walks and dinner dates.
  5. Is an escort
  6. Is a teacher/tutor for your children.
  7. Is the primary chef for the family.

So let's break down how much all of this costs.
  1. Average salary of a maid is $24,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  2. A nanny's average salary is roughly $30,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  3. A surrogate costs roughly $40,000 - $50,000 per child depending on how many accommodations you want for your child.
  4. psychologist/relationship coach: $20,000 - $30,000 per year
  5. An escort if you were to pay for the average escort ($200 * 2 hours a session) * 2 times a week = 800 a week * 26 weeks a year (every other week) = $20,800 per year
  6. A teacher's low salary $30,000 per year
  7. chef's salary is ~$30,000 per year

So let's say that you plan on having 3 children over 10 years and raising them until they are 20 years old. That means that over 30 years, the average cost of that child is $5,000. So, per year your total would come out to $159,800. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible.

Now, you can cut cost by merging the maid, the baby sitter, and the tutor into one position that pays a livable wage of $50,000 - $60,000 USD. Most women would jump at the opportunity to make that much money and as a bonus she could live in your house and have living expenses paid for. This would save you roughly 30,000 USD, and you can cut the chef position. Which is an additional 30,000 USD. This could reduce the cost to 100,000 USD a year. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible. Ultimately, I think this is only a temporary solution and for richcels. Men who clearly make over 200K or 300K a year. This is a very small percentage of the population, but anyone can invest in a good portfolio and save 10 years worth of money to afford this. I ultimately think this is a temporary solution to some of our problems.

Interesting. However the way they disrespect us on social media is absolutely shocking.
 
2 sessions a week for an escort is fucking awful and very below par. Most of them get one or two sessions a day. They make bank.
And $200 for 2 hours is dirt-cheap.
 
I think guys on this website give paying for sex a bad wrap, and I honestly don't think it should have a bad wrap. One has to realize that men pay for sex no matter what. Some men pay for sex with genetic currency (looks), others with social currency (friends who can perform favors), and the rest through resource-based currency (money, gifts). No matter what, you're triggering that primal rewards center of the brain when she allows you to have sex with her.

I bring all of this up because I think those who have the resources should consider building families in non-conventional ways until transhumanist technologies exist, i.e. the artificial womb and sex robots. I think those of us who can afford it should consider prostitutes for our leisure, surrogates for childbearing, and nannies for raising our children. This is of course a strategy that can only be implemented by those who make sufficient money. Nevertheless, I think this is a viable substitute until legitimate artificial technologies exist. Let's just say that you want the ideal life of sex and friends. What would this entail? For starters, what does the ideal woman do for her mate? I believe we can break these down into discrete tasks.

An ideal woman:
  1. Is the maid
  2. Is a nanny/babysitter
  3. acts as a surrogate
  4. Is a psychologist/relationship coach you can take outside for walks and dinner dates.
  5. Is an escort
  6. Is a teacher/tutor for your children.
  7. Is the primary chef for the family.

So let's break down how much all of this costs.
  1. Average salary of a maid is $24,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  2. A nanny's average salary is roughly $30,000 per year with 5 - 10 years experience.
  3. A surrogate costs roughly $40,000 - $50,000 per child depending on how many accommodations you want for your child.
  4. psychologist/relationship coach: $20,000 - $30,000 per year
  5. An escort if you were to pay for the average escort ($200 * 2 hours a session) * 2 times a week = 800 a week * 26 weeks a year (every other week) = $20,800 per year
  6. A teacher's low salary $30,000 per year
  7. chef's salary is ~$30,000 per year

So let's say that you plan on having 3 children over 10 years and raising them until they are 20 years old. That means that over 30 years, the average cost of that child is $5,000. So, per year your total would come out to $159,800. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible.

Now, you can cut cost by merging the maid, the baby sitter, and the tutor into one position that pays a livable wage of $50,000 - $60,000 USD. Most women would jump at the opportunity to make that much money and as a bonus she could live in your house and have living expenses paid for. This would save you roughly 30,000 USD, and you can cut the chef position. Which is an additional 30,000 USD. This could reduce the cost to 100,000 USD a year. Not cheap, but certainly not impossible. Ultimately, I think this is only a temporary solution and for richcels. Men who clearly make over 200K or 300K a year. This is a very small percentage of the population, but anyone can invest in a good portfolio and save 10 years worth of money to afford this. I ultimately think this is a temporary solution to some of our problems.

High IQ. I am looking forward to moneymaxxxing and buy a wife or hire some actor for wife-experience, and as for me, that's better than nothing. And you are in charge because you literally own her.
 
I think guys on this website give paying for sex a bad wrap, and I honestly don't think it should have a bad wrap. One has to realize that men pay for sex no matter what. Some men pay for sex with genetic currency (looks), others with social currency (friends who can perform favors)

I've tried to explain this very thing to so many blue pilled copers on this site that will literally tell you that female validation is more important than sex.

I even made the whole currency comparison before, multiple times, to different users:

E.g.1
You have a Low IQ narrow perspective (no wonder you think lacking resources is a decent strategy to gaining what you want from life), think of ones looks as just another currency (L) and the currency of regular money the US dollar ($). It isn't that Chad isn't paying, especially in the case of one night stands, its just that he is merely paying in a different currency up front.

Lets say a woman would only fuck you for $1000 but she'll fuck chad just for him buying her a $5 beer, from your perspective he got a huge discount of $995, in reality he merely paid using two currencies (unbeknownst even to him), he paid in L995 and $5.

YOU BOTH WERE CHARGED $1000, YOU WERE JUST LACKING IN ANOTHER CURRENCY (ANOTHER RESOURCE)

E.g.2
Yes and its not chad women are interested in, its his physical attractiveness, this line of argumentation I always find confusing because in the same way that you can say "they just want your money" we can also say in the case of chad "they just want his genes". In both cases its materialistic, just in chads case his "material worth" is "inherent to his being"

What would make me happy is to be able to have sex with women, that's it, I don't have any grand delusions in believing that love exists, based on the black pill I know it doesn't, everything is about a trading, in a sense even ones "looks" is just another "currency" being "bartered".

Lets say we treat looks as a literal currency 'L' and compare it to the US dollar '$'.

Now here's the scenario:

A 10/10 Chad has L10000 and $5000
A 4/10 Incel has L3000 and $100000

I'd say they both have an equal chance of getting a 5/10 foid to fuck them, because its basically just a comparison of the variation between the two currencies, how much 'L' is equal to 1 '$'. I don't know, but this is how I look at things. Love doesn't exist, people don't fall in love with eachother, they fall in love with what eachother HAS TO OFFER (genetics included).

ITS ALL JUST BARTERING

At the end of the day, the reason why men who advocate for paying for sex get hate is because the men who are against it ARE EGOISTS, they want to "feel desired", "feel special" or "better than" other people, so they can never truly give up on the concept of egotistically based sexual pursuits.

There are two kinds of hunters:

OBJECTIVE HUNTER: One who hunts for survival and/or personal gain, he values:
Food (eats the meat of the hunted animal)
Selling meat and/or various animal parts for money
Etc

SUBJECTIVE HUNTER: One who hunts "for sport", he values:
Amount of kills
Size/quality of the animal killed
Handicaps used during the hunt to show off his hunting prowess - "I used X rifle with no scope"
Etc

The so called incels and black pillers against paying for sex, are blinded by their ego, they are stuck in the "subjective hunter" mindset and they don't seem to get that such a mindset is only "maintainable" by attractive men. PUA culture is all about the "subjective hunt", that is why they treat looks like its a "handicap mechanic" that allows them to show off their "hunting prowess".

"Look at me, I'm short and balding........... but if I have "game" and I use the right social queues, say the right words, wear the right clothes, approach the right way, etc I can overcome all that and still get laid, because I'm so skilled"

Its all BS, all these guys against prostitution need to stop wasting their time here and go join looksmax.org or some PUA forum or something because they are still blue pilled and they'll find more like minded egotistical idiots on such sites

I bid them farewell, enjoy the hunt, enjoy the endless quest to bask in your own greatness, and revel in your skill.
 
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I've tried to explain this very thing to so many blue pilled copers on this site that will literally tell you that female validation is more important than sex.

I even made the whole currency comparison before, multiple times, to different users:

E.g.1


E.g.2


At the end of the day, the reason why men who advocate for paying for sex get hate is because the men who are against it ARE EGOISTS, they want to "feel desired", "feel special" or "better than" other people, so they can never truly give up on the concept of egotistically based sexual pursuits.

There are two kinds of hunters:

OBJECTIVE HUNTER: One who hunts for survival and/or personal gain, he values:
Food (eats the meat of the hunted animal)
Selling meat and/or various animal parts for money
Etc

SUBJECTIVE HUNTER: One who hunts "for sport", he values:
Amount of kills
Size/quality of the animal killed
Handicaps used during the hunt to show off his hunting prowess - "I used X rifle with no scope"
Etc

The so called incels and black pillers against paying for sex, are blinded by their ego, they are stuck in the "subjective hunter" mindset and they don't seem to get that such a mindset is only "maintainable" by attractive men. PUA culture is all about the "subjective hunt", that is why they treat looks like its a "handicap mechanic" that allows them to show off their "hunting prowess".

"Look at me, I'm short and balding........... but if I have "game" and I use the right social queues, say the right words, wear the right clothes, approach the right way, etc I can overcome all that and still get laid, because I'm so skilled"

Its all BS, all these guys against prostitution need to stop wasting their time here and go join looksmax.org or some PUA forum or something because they are still blue pilled and they'll find more like minded egotistical idiots on such sites

I bid them farewell, enjoy the hunt, enjoy the endless quest to bask in your own greatness, and revel in your skill.

I agree in large part, though with a caveat. This isn't just about sex. This is also about the guy being able to have a family and raise children if he'd like. The reason I support surrogates instead of trying to pay a woman to be your wife is that the probability of being cucked increases the less attractive you are. Unless you pay a woman directly to have your children through the force of law, you're highly likely to be cucked. It is perhaps for the best that men pay for women to have and raise their kids, as it's the only way I see women being loyal to unattractive men.

As for the egoism, yeah, unfortunately most people are egotistic.
 
As for the egoism, yeah, unfortunately most people are egotistic.

Yeah but I'd at least expect incels of all people to have moved past such a low level mindset, it really surprised me when I first came to this forum and after some months began to realize most of the so called incels/black pillers on this site are just Chads trapped in an incels body, they aren't logical, they don't really care about the black pill, they just cling to it because it makes them feel different or special, and its really the only thing they have, if they ascended they'd start making fun of incels and pretending like they never were on to begin with, just wolves in sheeps clothing all waiting for their chance to "ascend" so they can join the "cool kids". Truly and untrustworthy lot.
 

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