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Didn't like that uppity bitch Stacy and her smart mouth?

She's a WITCH! BURN HER!

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roasties getting toasty
 
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JFL at not living in the mediavel times tbh
 
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Those were the best times...
 
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If anything witches were the woke foids abused by normcucks.
 
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at medieval times you died in wars for the chad KANGZ
 
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Woke as in demanding to be equal to men? Witches were the original feminists.
Woke as in standing up against bogus ideologies, classism and normie supremacy.

But yeah, you could say they were feminists as well. I don't think feminism has to be necessarily bad tbh. To much false equivalency for that. Our today's problems are consisting of a lot of different factors.
at medieval times you died in wars for the chad KANGZ
Agreed wars are there to kill off surplus men and solve growth/overproduction crysises.
 
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Living in medieval times was terrible. The biggest Chad of those times was the black plague. Such a high body count!
 
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Preferred to have lived them times, at least there was no virgin shaming and rape wasn't much of a big deal
 
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Even up until the 20th century in U.K. if you wanted shot of your wife you could just declare her as neurotic and have her committed to an asylum. Or you were a father, and you though your daughter was a wee whore then you could do the same thing.
 
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In medieval europe if a foid was too gossipy or bad-mouthed to her husband, they would put this on the foid and they'd have to walk around the village. This mask basically gives citizens the right to do anything to the foid, whether that be shaming her, beating her or throwing your own shit at her.

Europeans were based AF during the medieval ages.
 
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Imagine if them times were practiced nowadays
 
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Back when men were MEN, now most guys would sacrifice their lives just for some female’s validation.
 
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Didn't like that uppity bitch Stacy and her smart mouth?

She's a WITCH! BURN HER!

Problem solved. Roastie got roasted.
fuck yes, the only way to get rid of degeneracy is neo-feudalistic authoritarianism with modern technology but old societal structure
 
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fuck yes, the only way to get rid of degeneracy is neo-feudalistic authoritarianism with modern technology but old societal structure
works great in russia
 
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works great in russia
it DID work great in Russia until those cucked foreign Tsars freed the serfs and became like degenrate west until Stalin fixed it for a while and then he died and it fucked up again
 
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it DID work great in Russia until those cucked foreign Tsars freed the serfs and became like degenrate west until Stalin fixed it for a while and then he died and it fucked up again
Sure, just as today, you bootlicker. I choose death over serving a (pseudo) aristocracy no matter if modern or not.

Your right winger's rageboner for Stalin based on his distorted portrayal in western propaganda makes me sick.
 
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Sure, just as today, you bootlicker.
today russia has become a slightly less degenerate but still quite awful version of west, Putin is still better than most world leaders but they still have cucked democratic capitalist bullishit and giver their foids to much freedom
 
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today russia has become a slightly less degenerate but still quite awful version of west, Putin is still better than most world leaders but they still have cucked democratic capitalist bullishit and giver their foids to much freedom
Feudalism is capitalism in its purest form. JFL at even using Russia and democratic in the same sentence (not that the US is better). :feelskek:
 
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Feudalism is capitalism in its purest form. JFL at even using Russia and democratic in the same sentence (not that the US is better). :feelskek:
Fuedalism is Autocracy where the landowners have serfs work the land in a hierarchical structure while capitalism is where Jewish greedy bastards get shekels and own a corrupt government and let in truckloads of filthy immigrants and everyone is ''free'' to be absolute filthy degenerates
 
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Feudalism is a meaningless modern term, trying to explain everything through materialism and economy.

The middle ages were much more than just "feudalism". It was a very complex social system.
 
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Fuedalism is Autocracy where the landowners have serfs work the land in a hierarchical structure while capitalism is where Jewish greedy bastards get shekels and own a corrupt government and let in truckloads of filthy immigrants and everyone is ''free'' to be absolute filthy degenerates
Ah a stormfag and even if true, as if the former sounds better. Are you just manipulated beyong believe or by chance born into one of these families?

Feudalism is a meaningless modern term, trying to explain everything through materialism and economy.

The middle ages were much more than just "feudalism". It was a very complex social system.
We know what is meant, ty (or at least I, shouldn't speak for others in this regard). No matter what, this romanticism of the past and economical opressive systems has to be stopped anyway.
 
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Ah a stormfag and even if true, as if the former sounds better. Are you just manipulated beyong believe or by chance born into one of these families?


We know, what is meant, ty.
ah an Anarchist that wants chad to cave their skull in while fucking your mother and sister all in the name of "muh freedom"
 
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ah an Anarchist that wants chad to cave their skull in while fucking your mother and sister all in the name of "muh freedom"
What makes you think, that I am an anarchist? Those usually tend to fall for the same kind of USSR revisionism modern socialists, liberals and economically left right wingers embrace.

The rest makes no sense as well, especially considering the leeway noblemen had in treating their serfs not unlike oligarchism in russia today.

Do you really think life would have been better for the people like this, let alone incels? :feelskek:

Simply lambasting everything wth degenracy today and using false equivalency, doesn't help either.

Honestly, anarchy is a distinct political and social system has a certain set of rules and has nothing to do with what the word is popularly used for, that is anomy. I mean it's merits could be discussed, but this is a nice strawman. Anarchismn has at least worked for the betterment of ALL people and not only for a predetermined elite.
 
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We know what is meant, ty (or at least I, shouldn't speak for others in this regard). No matter what, this romanticism of the past and economical opressive systems has to be stopped anyway.
The concept of economy as it exists now didn't even exist back then.

From the Christian point of view (and the medieval people were Christians), economy is pretty irrelevant, since the reward isn't in this world, but in heavens. That's why they built all the great cathedrals instead of investing money into economy or whatever. Economy was seen as necessary evil at best.

All these modern post 18th century ideologies are just materialistic degeneracy which reduced people to animals. They're all the same pretty much, whether it's capitalism, socialism, whatever.
 
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The concept of economy as it exists now didn't even exist back then.

From the Christian point of view (and the medieval people were Christians), economy is pretty irrelevant, since the reward isn't in this world, but in heavens. That's why they built all the great cathedrals instead of investing money into economy or whatever. Economy was seen as necessary evil at best.

All these modern post 18th century ideologies are just materialistic degeneracy which reduced people to animals. They're all the same pretty much, whether it's capitalism, socialism, whatever.
Idc about semantics only implementation.

Tell this to the nobles and clerics, you bluepiller. It's teh evil modernism!!!111!

Where did they live the irrellevance of the economy? :feelskek:

The cathedrals etc were just a displays of power and part of the necessary facade.

And no ineffectiveness is no proof for them being humble people. Greed is usually short term centered and stopping technological advancement, if you have a willing slave class.

Stop your ideological shenangians trying to repaint reality.
 
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Idc about semantics only implementation.

Tell this to the nobles and clerics, you bluepiller. It's teh evil modernism!!!111!
Because you don't understand anything about the middle ages and just view it from the viewpoint of modern materialistic degeneracy.

The most ridiculous thing is when people actually try to see noblemen and clerics as some sort of economic classes, when such thing didn't even exists back then. You could be a poor nobleman or a cleric living in poverty.
 
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Because you don't understand anything about the middle ages and just view it from the viewpoint of modern materialistic degeneracy.

The most ridiculous thing is when people actually try to see noblemen and clerics as some sort of economic classes, when such thing didn't even exists back then. You could be a poor nobleman or a cleric living in poverty.
Ye, but you would usually still be better off than a poor peasant, exceptions prove the rule.

"The viewpoint of modern materialistic degenracy." Big kekfuel :feelskek::feelskek:

Everything is materialist in this world boyo. I am anticonsumerist, minimalist (and yes a socialist) and you come here tell me they were just so poorly misunderstood it was all to serve god. All was good and if we would just go back to then turning people into serfs again solve all our problems.

I hate this wooly degeneracy talk. If there is no harm there is no vicitm, but let's say there is a problem with leggit negative degenracy today (bluepilled if you believe there was no degeneracy back then) it would still be retarded concluding a feudal system would be good.

We could have even have equality in whatever life circumstancial regard and still believe in god, as you please. Ther eis simply no point.

I skimmed over some of your stuff, is it possible that you are a believing fundamentalist, no offense?
 
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Ye, but you would usually still be better off than a poor peasant, exceptions prove the rule.
What about a wealthy peasant then? What you don't understand is that there were no "classes" in the middle ages, it was a system of estates, or "castes" if you want.

The noblemen were the warrior caste and had to fight in wars. If the war called upon then, they HAD to fight. They weren't just sitting around counting money like modern capitalists. The noblemen also had to organize protection, fight in brutal tournaments and protect their honor, go to crusades. JFL if you think they had it easy, you can't even imagine how brutal the wars were back then. Even the highest noblemen and kings died on battlefields.

At the end of the day, economic prosperity doesn't mean anything, it's all about God, family and honor. Materialism won't make you happy, much less give your life any purpose. They understood this in the middle ages and established religion and had a society based on honor and human dignity. Today, you don't have that, this is why you're posting on this incel forum.

Nobody is saying that people should go back to those days, because it would be impossible to return to anything pre-industrial anyway, but the principles from that era should be implemented today.
 
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What about a wealthy peasant then? What you don't understand is that there were no "classes" in the middle ages, it was a system of estates, or "castes" if you want.

The noblemen were the warrior caste and had to fight in wars. If the war called upon then, they HAD to fight. They weren't just sitting around counting money like modern capitalists. The noblemen also had to organize protection, fight in brutal tournaments and protect their honor, go to crusades. JFL if you think they had it easy, you can't even imagine how brutal the wars were back then. Even the highest noblemen and kings died on battlefields.
Doesn't change the basic premise, that the system sucked dick and some had to suck more dick and let others suck dick for them. I can imagine it very well. Wars being more brutal is a meme though. Due to the circumstance of the lack of god medical care and lack of modern comfort, yes. What we see today is a compressed view of the chronology. It's not that they fought every day. Even so called wars, like the hundred years war for example were a sequence of smaller campaigns, at least in pre early modern times.

Wealthy peasant is an oxymoron and a result of later land reformation not feudalism per se.

At the end of the day, economic prosperity doesn't mean anything, it's all about God, family and honor. Materialism won't make you happy, much less give your life any purpose. They understood this in the middle ages and established religion and had a society based on honor and human dignity. Today, you don't have that, this is why you're posting on this incel forum.
I spit on this system and fake enlightment. Your broadly exaggerating, a threshhold of prosperity and reduction of suffering is the base for a decent life and this is what I say as a grey piller and friend of buddhist philosophy (yes I know there a literal feudalist they used the sma efake enlightment to manipulate the people).

Hear, hear, honor and human dignity, what did you smoke read bro? This honestly sounds like a case of severe autism in a medical way and reeks so much of class character of the publications of the elites of former times. The only writings of peasant caste opinions stems from the uprising. Those people suffered, those people were opressed. It's not that todays world is perfect not nearly, but this is outright wrong.

Nobody is saying that people should go back to those days, because it would be impossible to return to anything pre-industrial anyway, but the principles from that era should be implemented today.
The principles sucked. I am all for recollection to decency and moderation, but this is just false
equivalency and romaniticism.

Believe in your god as you want, but don't use it to impose your perceived rightful order on other people, please.

Idk what to tell you anymore. Maybe read the communist manifesto and writings of the peasant uprisings or something. There was certainly a certain self interest and even if not outcome in reality was like that and not a good argument for your wishes of less degeneracy or whatever.
 
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Doesn't change the basic premise, that the system sucked dick and some had to suck more dick and let others suck dick for them. I can imagine it very well. Wars being more brutal is a meme though. Due to the circumstance of the lack of god medical care and lack of modern comfort, yes. What we see today is a compressed view of the chronology. It's not that they fought every day. Even so called wars, like the hundred years war for example were a sequence of smaller campaigns, at least in pre early modern times.
The tournaments were very brutal alone, and wars did happen, they had to go to crusades etc. They were the warrior caste and that was their function in society. They weren't a class. Living life of a medieval nobleman wasn't particularly good life in most cases. From the perspective of modern society, they all had shitty lives in terms of material comfort so it's all very relative and useless.

Wealthy peasant is an oxymoron and a result of later land reformation not feudalism per se.
The "peasantry" would be a broad term in the middle ages. There was a social estate of laboratores, and it covered all the non-noble people "who worked", plenty of them were very wealthy, wealthier than many of the nobles.


Hear, hear, honor and human dignity, what did you smoke read bro? This honestly sounds like a case of severe autism in a medical way and reeks so much of class character of the publications of the elites of former times. The only writings of peasant caste opinions stems from the uprising. Those people suffered, those people were opressed. It's not that todays world is perfect not nearly, but this is outright wrong.
Oppressed? You sound like some SJW feminist. Honor and dignity comes with religion, if you have none than you can't possibly understand it, but then you also can't understand the middle ages as well, because you don't understand the mentality behind it.


Idk what to tell you anymore. Maybe read the communist manifesto and writings of the peasant uprisings or something. There was certainly a certain self interest and even if not outcome in reality was like that and not a good argument for your wishes of less degeneracy or whatever.
Most famous peasant uprisings happened after the middle ages in fact (16th century, 17th century). Also in most cases, the peasants weren't rebelling against the order as such, but against particular nobles who abused it.

As for communist manifesto, why would that be relevant for anything here? What kind of books did you read about the middle ages anyway? Communism created an actual feudal class of the communist elite tied to the Communist Party which exploited everyone else. It wasn't anything better than feudalism and it aimed to destroy the family on top of it.

The family is the most important aspect of society, I wouldn't mind socialism if it didn't go against the family at all, but once you go against the family, you get what we have now.
 
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The tournaments were very brutal alone, and wars did happen, they had to go to crusades etc. They were the warrior caste and that was their function in society. They weren't a class.

Torunaments were not designe to kill and serious accidents happened not that often.

Warrior catse semantics. They wer estill the people controlling everything and starting wars for their own profit materialist or spiritual in the first place.


The "peasantry" would be a broad term in the middle ages. There was a social estate of laboratores, and it covered all the non-noble people who worked, plenty of them were very wealthy, wealthier than many of the nobles.

Serfdom is a distinct state of social order. What you mean was post feudalism. That's not what we are talking about.

Oppressed? You sound like some SJW feminist. Honor and dignity comes with religion, if you have none than you can't possibly understand it, but then you also can't understand the middle ages as well, because you don't understand the mentality behind it.

Triggured I guess, but who? Ohh I have a religion, it is simply not based in superficial entities, I know very well what devtoion is. Strawmanning youself to paradise. "You can't just understand." Yeah people might have believed in their shit and might have been happy. Guess what? They knew no alternative and were manipulated into believing it, what god is this to serve? Doesn't change the fact that it was not necessary to enslave the people, whatever god you want to worship.

Most famous peasant uprisings happened after the middle ages in fact (16th century, 17th century). Also in most cases, the peasants weren't rebelling against the order as such, but against particular nobles who abused it.

Yes because feudalists slowly lost their grip on society.

The old lie of the benevolent dictator, by which godgiven right? You see the problem yourself? Guess we give up our freedoms so we can believe in god? You can ery well have both believe in whatever you want and normal power relations. Disgustingly paternalizing view on a personal note.



As for communist manifesto, why would that be relevant for anything here? What kind of books did you read about the middle ages anyway? Communism created an actual feudal class of the communist elite tied to the Communist Party which exploited everyone else. It wasn't anything better than feudalism and it aimed to destroy the family on top of it.

It was a shot in the black. There is nothing else out of my mind that could teach you. You knwo ther ere christian communists? This doesn't have to be an obstacle.

That's a new medievalist attempt of horseshoe theory, I guess, interesting. If you really want to discuss this you should make a new on topic thread. Let's just say they had at least a different aspiration and some real life sucess of bettering the life of people, unlike caitalist systems make it seem.

I read all kinds of books. Doesn't matter which. I am informed.


The family is the most important aspect of society, I wouldn't mind socialism if it didn't go against the family at all, but once you go against the family, you get what we have now.

The holy family. Here is where our problems lie reproductive, success through gluttony in genetic and material prosperity while fucking other people over in the process and your descendants (family) in the long run. Currently it's supposed estruction is mostly used as a strawmen for the rights biotted views, things like nepotism for example, not based on merit or enslaving other people.

Socialism is a good family for everyone, but without fucking other people over and with a larger community extension plus a goal of a united world wide tribe

You should think about becoming a socialist. In the end you might like it.
 
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I read all kinds of books. Doesn't matter which. I am informed.
Yet you can't name a single relevant book that you read about middle ages. Your knowledge about middle ages comes from the same stereotypes that you keep repeating over and over and you haven't read a single book by a reputed medievalist, admit it.

You should start with reading The Three Orders: Feudal Society Imagined by Duby, and Time, Work, & Culture in the Middle Ages and Your Money or Your Life: Economy and Religion in the Middle Ages by Le Goff. Those are some of the most important medievalists.
 
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Yet you can't name a single relevant book that you read about middle ages. Your "knowledge" about middle ages comes from the same stereotypes that you keep repeating over and over and you haven't read a single book by a reputed medievalist, admit it. It seems like you don't even know the basic structure of medieval society looked like.

You should start with reading The Three Orders: Feudal Society Imagined by Duby, and Time, Work, & Culture in the Middle Ages and Your Money or Your Life: Economy and Religion in the Middle Ages by Le Goff.
I keep repeating stereotypes? Just because I don't think the system is in anyway rightfully?

Though I was able to correct you on multiple mistakes. I read a lot of excerpts, translated primary sources and some bigger books. It's some time though, I am to old to use this districts secondary education library, kek. Should be enough still.
Ideologically charged perception and mystification doesn't necessarily represent the truth. I see no real difference in the material observation between us besides that. It's all fair in game they believed what they believed. It was still more convienient than for others.

I am tired ot being told by right wingers "It's just all so wrong and we are all so misunderstood" tbh. Fruitless task. Why don't you believe in my good faith for some time and we go the opposite route. Acknowledge spirituality or reliogiousity is no morale arguemnt for the order and you educate yourself about an ideology having the best in mind and offering real solutions for the modern world?

If you want we can even talk in person some time, as it is always easier to react to questions in a direct way putting thing sinto context, than reading some pamphlet you're not agreeing with at first?

You read my last answer, right?
 
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I keep repeating stereotypes? Just because I don't think the system is in anyway rightfully?
You keep repeating the stereotypes about middle ages being some sort of class society and being "oppressive" and being against "freedom" which are two pointless concepts in the medieval context. You even used terms like "dictator" lol. At the end of the day, medieval system worked for 1000 years, communism didn't work for even 100 years and failed completely. I'm not a "right winger" either, nor a "fundamentalist". I'm just putting things in perspective here.

No one has been more tyrannical than the modern state (and this includes both liberal and communist states), the middle ages were vastly superior in social organization. All the shortcomings that middle ages had were due to simply not having the right technological means available yet, and it was a pre-industrial society.
 
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The noblemen were the warrior caste and had to fight in wars. If the war called upon then, they HAD to fight. They weren't just sitting around counting money like modern capitalists. The noblemen also had to organize protection, fight in brutal tournaments and protect their honor, go to crusades. JFL if you think they had it easy, you can't even imagine how brutal the wars were back then. Even the highest noblemen and kings died on battlefields.
True, the middle ages(and much of the renaissance) saw some of the most brutal slaughters in human history, the worst of which involved europeans killing each over different interpretations of theology. Many of the wars encompassed region wide slaughter. The albigensian crusade along with the 30 years war were probably the two worst. Although the latter case happened a couple centuries after the end of the medieval period, the motivations behind it were very similar.
At the end of the day, economic prosperity doesn't mean anything, it's all about God, family and honor. Materialism won't make you happy, much less give your life any purpose. They understood this in the middle ages and established religion and had a society based on honor and human dignity. Today, you don't have that, this is why you're posting on this incel forum.
Well, I'd argue that nothing will really make you happy. Emptiness is a wiser goal to have as opposed to happiness, but you'll find neither in materialism, so really I agree.
 
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You keep repeating the stereotypes about middle ages being some sort of class society and being "oppressive" and being against "freedom" which are two pointless concepts in the medieval context. You even used terms like "dictator" lol. At the end of the day, medieval system worked for 1000 years, communism didn't work for even 100 years and failed completely. I'm not a "right winger" either, nor a "fundamentalist". I'm just putting things in perspective here.

No one has been more tyrannical than the modern state (and this includes both liberal and communist states), the middle ages were vastly superior in social organization. All the shortcomings that middle ages had were due to simply not having the right technological means available yet, and it was a pre-industrial society.
Working by which measure? So being open about socialism was a simple trap to appear in a good light?

Dictator figuratively spoken. Smart ass.

WHAT FUCKIGN STEREOTYPES. THERE ARE NONE. :feelskek: Stop lying to yourself and me and stop your whitewashing through rose-colored glasses. Things were like they were no concept of anything or even slight disagreements changes this and your logical fallacies for what is needed for true believe or whatever.

Communism didn't exist in a vacuum. You can't simply compare systems with differing enviornmental and political situations.

I think you are simply not ready, clinging to your pure fantasy for some reason.

If you honestly believe what they did was good and alternativeless, even if I tell you degeneracy related problems can be cured in another system that is not opposed to your values, well idk...

You honestly believe the system would be just in a modern world? Kinda like fascism?

OKAY, opressive. I play the trap card anarchy for the sake of the argument. You can say what you want about it's capability for resistance against exterior pressure, but it's as nonopressive as it gets and worked well inside, even if you believe in the lie of "red fascism" you have to agree with this.

How will you strawman this or will you simply tell me these things don't matter compared to medieval "dignities". :ha..feels:
 
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