One thing we barely speak about: The libido gap AKA Where are all the women gone?

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The longer I suffer from inceldom and the more often I see the disparities in initiation of contact by females and males, the more I think the key issue is the different strength in sex drive, which leads to chad being able to monopolize women. Based on the 80 20 rule male sex drive must be four times as high.
So every time chad needs to fuck he fucks one of four available women, who needs to fuck on that day, while every of these 5 parties get perfectly satisfied in this arrangement.

Think about it. It actually makes sense and can explain female chadlust.
When you coomed a lot and your sexdrive lowers, you temporarily can't really get off in a satisfying way, UNLESS some really attractive woman comes around. But if you didn't coom in a while you'd take any uggo. (What basically also explains todays simp problem: High sexdrive × extreme lack of sex. The less sex men get, the more cucked servants by instinct they become. Together a gigantic downward spiral)

How do I explain monogamous chad relationships of the past? Well you know this in between state, when you can coom, but you don't really have to, but on the other hand it doesn't really feel bad either? So they probably found a middle ground for a while, but ultimately this means a slow but steady declining libido of the women without longer recoverey phases. The more a woman is ravaged by chad, the stronger is her libido burned through. Ineviteably she wil even be unsatisfied with chad at some point, not even talking about the chances for some normie after that point.
What about normie relationships of the past? Well they were purely based on economic incentives aka whoredom. Don't dilude yourself about things like female love lol, it never ecistef in the first place (Take the bromance pill) I mean you can still love your government gf and even befriend her; a whore is a whore in the end).

This implies we somehow could commodify access to females in an honest, open, fair and non coercive way. Because lets be honest, that's how females fared in the past and how society found some vague stability, maybe not always in the most fair way though. Is this rape under extortion by threat of financial destruction? I think not, if you see how countless women push this behavior beyond the raw necessities and cherish this lifestyle. There is definitely room for morally just economic intervention and professional GFs.

"Yadayada the value of labor by their body", YES lolbert, but what about the exchange value of my body and time? Cuck if you are not a socialist, especially at least if not a rodgerist one. These natural mismatches of value, birthing normal men into a slave class like state is not acceptable. Neither is forcing women into this role by reactive physical violence. A middle ground has to be found...

This gets even more supported when you look at the ok cupid stats iirc. Most of the men get squeezed into the first quarter of the atteaction graph. (There is the libido gap again male attraction /4 = female attraction.)

Probably water is wet. But maybe this can lead to some new perspectives.

Maybe the solution is some endocrinologocal or physical intervention. I read that trannies get a lot more horny on T overal (No matter if lesbian or homo ones). Same for foids by enlarging the clitorises by vacuumpumping or by topic steroid use, especially DHT. There might simply be a design mismatch with an outdated evolutionary purpose of natural selection.
This could at least help a few more incels, who don't make the cut even after looksmax being adressed by health insurance and also stop the slow attraction burn out.

Afterthought: This also explains how normie males are happy to be beta providers and how there are almost no older incels; We all know how the male sexdrive lowers after 30...

Overall this all really can only lead us down a very dark road if lest unadressed...
 
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The longer I suffer from inceldom and the more often I see the disparities in initiation of contact by females and males, I think the key issue is the different strength in sex drive which leads to chad being able to monopolize women. Based on the 80 20 rule male sex drive must be four times as high.
So every time chad needs to fuck he fucks one of four available women, who needs to fuck on that day, while every of these 5 parties gets perfectly satisfied.

Think about it. It actually makes sense and can explain female chadlust.
When you coomed a lot and your sexdrive lowers, you can temporarily can't really get off un a satisfying way, UNLESS some really attractive woman comes around. But if you didn't coom in a while you'd take any uggo. (What basically also explains really way todays simp problem. High sexdrive × extreme lack of sex. So the less sex men get the more feminist by instinct they become.)

This gets even more supported when you look at the ok cupid stats iirc. Most of the men get squeezed into the first quarter of the atteaction graph. (There is the libido gap again male attraction /4 = female attraction.

Probably water is wet. But maybe this can lead to some new perspectives.

Maybe the solution is some endocrinologocal or physical intervention. I read that trannies get a lot more horny on T overal (No matter if lesbian or homo ones). Same for foids by enlarging the clitorises by vacuumpumping or by topic steroid use, especialky DHT. There might simply be a design mismatch with an outsated evolutionary purpose of natural selection.
Yup. Because mean have more testosterone and thus bigger libido for evolutionary reasons we feel the need to pass on our genetics as much as possible, which is why we find more women attractive, it's a way to keep men pumping the semen and the human population up. But for women due to their lower-sex drive they can only feel satisfied by the top percent. But if women were as horny as men they'd be willing to date down in looks-level to fulfil their urges, just like men.
 
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That is the conclusion I came to as well. Add in modern women are on birth control pills which..for most women.. seem to dramatically lower their drive for sex.

Aka on birth control pills they can still have sex and even enjoy it somewhat, but its not the same drive/hunger as when they are not on birth control pills.
 
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You're absolutely right, there is a difference in libido. That difference, combined with the willingness of foids to fuck men who haven't given them commitment (they're willing to because birth control means there are no obvious consequences to them), is really all that's needed to explain the current situation.

Programmercels can simulate this easily. Basically, you're going to have a class that represents a human. Its properties will include a randomly chosen sex and sexuality, and randomly chosen attractiveness and libido. The game is played in "rounds" and is very simple. For each round, a certain number of hetero males and a certain number of hetero females decide they want to play (and this is determined by their libido). Those who want to play are sorted by attractiveness and the two most attractive ones pair off, followed by the next two, and so on.

You just keep track of who has sex with whom, and from this simple program you get just about everything we see in society. The 80/20 rule just naturally falls out.

I've played with many other variables too, including monte carlo algorithms to add people to the game, and age preferences (with foids preferring men their own age and men preferring young foids) and with that you get cat ladies, lol. But the only variables needed to produce 80/20 and incels is the difference in libido and asortative matting.

I even did a version of this that modeled children in order to show that you have more female ancestors than male ancestors. This was in a discussion where people were saying that was impossible because at every generation you had exactly one mother and one father thus the numbers must always be equal. But no. The same man appears in multiple places in your family tree - and that happens many times.
 
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You're absolutely right, there is a difference in libido. That difference, combined with the willingness of foids to fuck men who haven't given them commitment (they're willing to because birth control means there are no obvious consequences to them), is really all that's needed to explain the current situation.

Programmercels can simulate this easily. Basically, you're going to have a class that represents a human. Its properties will include a randomly chosen sex and sexuality, and randomly chosen attractiveness and libido. The game is played in "rounds" and is very simple. For each round, a certain number of hetero males and a certain number of hetero females decide they want to play (and this is determined by their libido). Those who want to play are sorted by attractiveness and the two most attractive ones pair off, followed by the next two, and so on.

You just keep track of who has sex with whom, and from this simple program you get just about everything we see in society. The 80/20 rule just naturally falls out.

I've played with many other variables too, including monte carlo algorithms to add people to the game, and age preferences (with foids preferring men their own age and men preferring young foids) and with that you get cat ladies, lol. But the only variables needed to produce 80/20 and incels is the difference in libido and asortative matting.

I even did a version of this that modeled children in order to show that you have more female ancestors than male ancestors. This was in a discussion where people were saying that was impossible because at every generation you had exactly one mother and one father thus the numbers must always be equal. But no. The same man appears in multiple places in your family tree - and that happens many times.

Hehe good point about how the family tree works, took me a second to understand it when I read your paragraph.

Great work on how the math works.. this is how nature selects for elite men thus improving the genetics from among the survivors, and utilizes all available females to maximize birth rate.
 
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I mean the middle part seems kinda sad for romancevel, who are still to ugly, but we have to stop being bluepilled and stop seeing what has always having been a commodity anyway now being administratively commodified as being disgusting; at least on an organizational level.
Society will find its ways to reframe the situation into a better digestable copeable narrative.

Overal for most people a scenario like might be the best compromise.
 
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You're absolutely right, there is a difference in libido. That difference, combined with the willingness of foids to fuck men who haven't given them commitment (they're willing to because birth control means there are no obvious consequences to them), is really all that's needed to explain the current situation.

Programmercels can simulate this easily. Basically, you're going to have a class that represents a human. Its properties will include a randomly chosen sex and sexuality, and randomly chosen attractiveness and libido. The game is played in "rounds" and is very simple. For each round, a certain number of hetero males and a certain number of hetero females decide they want to play (and this is determined by their libido). Those who want to play are sorted by attractiveness and the two most attractive ones pair off, followed by the next two, and so on.

You just keep track of who has sex with whom, and from this simple program you get just about everything we see in society. The 80/20 rule just naturally falls out.

I've played with many other variables too, including monte carlo algorithms to add people to the game, and age preferences (with foids preferring men their own age and men preferring young foids) and with that you get cat ladies, lol. But the only variables needed to produce 80/20 and incels is the difference in libido and asortative matting.

I even did a version of this that modeled children in order to show that you have more female ancestors than male ancestors. This was in a discussion where people were saying that was impossible because at every generation you had exactly one mother and one father thus the numbers must always be equal. But no. The same man appears in multiple places in your family tree - and that happens many times.
Very nice representation of how this plays out. The beginning of the game where people pair-up with their looks match before eventually only the top 20% also makes sense, just leaving a reply so I can keep this for later
 
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The longer I suffer from inceldom and the more often I see the disparities in initiation of contact by females and males, the more I think the key issue is the different strength in sex drive, which leads to chad being able to monopolize women. Based on the 80 20 rule male sex drive must be four times as high.
So every time chad needs to fuck he fucks one of four available women, who needs to fuck on that day, while every of these 5 parties get perfectly satisfied in this arrangement.

Think about it. It actually makes sense and can explain female chadlust.
When you coomed a lot and your sexdrive lowers, you temporarily can't really get off in a satisfying way, UNLESS some really attractive woman comes around. But if you didn't coom in a while you'd take any uggo. (What basically also explains todays simp problem: High sexdrive × extreme lack of sex. The less sex men get, the more cucked servants by instinct they become. Together a gigantic downward spiral)

How do I explain monogamous chad relationships of the past? Well you know this in between state, when you can coom, but you don't really have to, but on the other hand it doesn't really feel bad either? So they probably found a middle ground for a while, but ultimately this means a slow but steady declining libido of the women without longer recoverey phases. The more a woman is ravaged by chad, the stronger is her libido burned through. Ineviteably she wil even be unsatisfied with chad at some point, not even talking about the chances for some normie after that point.
What about normie relationships of the past? Well they were purely based on economic incentives aka whoredom. Don't dilude yourself about things like female love lol, it never ecistef in the first place (Take the bromance pill) I mean you can still love your government gf and even befriend her; a whore is a whore in the end).

This implies we somehow could commodify access to females in an honest, open, fair and non coercive way. Because lets be honest, that's how females fared in the past and how society found some vague stability, maybe not always in the most fair way though. Is this rape under extortion by threat of financial destruction? I think not, if you see how countless women push this behavior beyond the raw necessities and cherish this lifestyle. There is definitely room for morally just economic intervention and professional GFs.

"Yadayada the value of labor by their body", YES lolbert, but what about the exchange value of my body and time? Cuck if you are not a socialist, especially at least if not a rodgerist one. These natural mismatches of value, birthing normal men into a slave class like state is not acceptable. Neither is forcing women into this role by reactive physical violence. A middle ground has to be found...

This gets even more supported when you look at the ok cupid stats iirc. Most of the men get squeezed into the first quarter of the atteaction graph. (There is the libido gap again male attraction /4 = female attraction.)

Probably water is wet. But maybe this can lead to some new perspectives.

Maybe the solution is some endocrinologocal or physical intervention. I read that trannies get a lot more horny on T overal (No matter if lesbian or homo ones). Same for foids by enlarging the clitorises by vacuumpumping or by topic steroid use, especially DHT. There might simply be a design mismatch with an outdated evolutionary purpose of natural selection.
This could at least help a few more incels, who don't make the cut even after looksmax being adressed by health insurance and also stop the slow attraction burn out.

Afterthought: This also explains how normie males are happy to be beta providers and how there are almost no older incels; We all know how the male sexdrive lowers after 30...

Overall this all really can only lead us down a very dark road if lest unadressed...
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There is definitely a difference in male and female libido. People pretend female libido is as high as male libido but this is false. Otherwise we would see more attractive women with unattractive men, not only in relationships but also casual hook-ups, but we don't. We only see the opposite happening. Why? Because males have way higher libido than females do.
 
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I get what your saying, but your very bad at expressing your thoughts/opinions coherently, reads like a mess tbh