[Discussion] Race and Joker (spoilers)

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Joker was better than Taxi Driver because of it's better developed themes on race.

Arthur and his white mother watch television with white comedians every night and Arthur longs to join them. He's a temporarily embarrassed millionaire who thinks he lives in a Just World which just hasn't noticed his virtue yet. His audience delusion scene is downright cringy. Arthur still believes in a meritocracy instead of a racist Chadocracy.
Part of the literacy canon of world civilization is the wish fulfillment trope of the Hidden Backup Prince who is raised dirt poor to teach him virtue and humility all to make him the better King. Common example would be Harry Potter or Cyrus the Great.
But this fantasy is broken when he enters the theater to meet Wayne. He's awed by the splendor of the stage and the high brow behavior of his 'fellow whites', but he knows how out of place he is when he gets brutally heightmogged by some corporate chad and is rejected by Wayne. He never gets to experience the rags to riches fantasy that was keeping him stable.

There's four African-American adults in the movie. All the female African-Americans are supposed to represent the possibility of ascending to a normie slave of the system rather than being a Chad ruler. He goes to a therapist in order to NTmaxx and be a wagecuck. He plays with young black children to express his humanity and make at least a single person happy. He tulpas a black single mother so he get the social validation and emotional crutch of having a walking incubator proof him. If these women could have helped him, the movie would have been some stupid bluepill nonsense like It's A Wonderful Life. But he gets brutally rejected by all avenues of NTmaxxing and social maxxing, proving that not only does the 'commanding heights' of society not give a fuck about him, but neither do 'normal humans'.

The only remaining African-American in the movie is the angry black protester with a clown mask who's on the tv for 2 seconds near the mid point. He represents the rage against society that Arthur represses. All throughout the movie he tells himself that 'it isn't political'. He keeps distancing himself away from the rage of Gotham's populace. But at the end of the movie, he fully accepts it, and is in turn saved by the people of Gotham. He dies and rises again, becoming their Christ against the Roman Empire built by the Waynes.


Joker is a movie about a white guy becoming a black guy.​
 
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Good observation. This white, repressed male/ black and female normies dynamic is also seen in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. I haven't thought about what it means. It could mean that those who are allegedly less privileged than the white man do not only stand above him, they also keep him down.

As a fun fact: there is a funny Easter egg. The billboard of a cinema in the move says "Zorro The Gay Blade". What could this mean?
 
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All very good points.

I've never liked comic book movies until Joker.

Why are villains, villains? Are they just naturally evil? That's how most superhero movies depict them. No one gives a second thought about them.

Joker's depiction of how crime and violence spreads is far more realistic. Mental health issues, class divisions, easy access to firearms. Some people are "uncomfortable" because they are asked to essentially humanize him.

Because, in this light, Batman is a fascist hell-bent on revenge for his parents' deaths. He protects his rich buddies, first and foremost. He is a self-appointed rich white Chad who decides that he has to violently guide the unwashed masses. The concept of a superhero is inherently undemocratic.
 
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Thanks for typing spoilers, just scrolled down without reading. Wrote this comment to thank you.
 
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All very good points.

I've never liked comic book movies until Joker.

Why are villains, villains? Are they just naturally evil? That's how most superhero movies depict them. No one gives a second thought about them.

Joker's depiction of how crime and violence spreads is far more realistic. Mental health issues, class divisions, easy access to firearms. Some people are "uncomfortable" because they are asked to essentially humanize him.

Because, in this light, Batman is a fascist hell-bent on revenge for his parents' deaths. He protects his rich buddies, first and foremost. He is a self-appointed rich white Chad who decides that he has to violently guide the unwashed masses. The concept of a superhero is inherently undemocratic.
In the kids show Spectacular Spider-Man, all the villains were omega males
 
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well thats one way to get an N word pass I guess
 
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All very good points.

I've never liked comic book movies until Joker.

Why are villains, villains? Are they just naturally evil? That's how most superhero movies depict them. No one gives a second thought about them.

Joker's depiction of how crime and violence spreads is far more realistic. Mental health issues, class divisions, easy access to firearms. Some people are "uncomfortable" because they are asked to essentially humanize him.

Because, in this light, Batman is a fascist hell-bent on revenge for his parents' deaths. He protects his rich buddies, first and foremost. He is a self-appointed rich white Chad who decides that he has to violently guide the unwashed masses. The concept of a superhero is inherently undemocratic.
Astute observation tbh.
 
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Joker was better than Taxi Driver because of it's better developed themes on race.

Arthur and his white mother watch television with white comedians every night and Arthur longs to join them. He's a temporarily embarrassed millionaire who thinks he lives in a Just World which just hasn't noticed his virtue yet. His audience delusion scene is downright cringy. Arthur still believes in a meritocracy instead of a racist Chadocracy.
Part of the literacy canon of world civilization is the wish fulfillment trope of the Hidden Backup Prince who is raised dirt poor to teach him virtue and humility all to make him the better King. Common example would be Harry Potter or Cyrus the Great.
But this fantasy is broken when he enters the theater to meet Wayne. He's awed by the splendor of the stage and the high brow behavior of his 'fellow whites', but he knows how out of place he is when he gets brutally heightmogged by some corporate chad and is rejected by Wayne. He never gets to experience the rags to riches fantasy that was keeping him stable.

There's four African-American adults in the movie. All the female African-Americans are supposed to represent the possibility of ascending to a normie slave of the system rather than being a Chad ruler. He goes to a therapist in order to NTmaxx and be a wagecuck. He plays with young black children to express his humanity and make at least a single person happy. He tulpas a black single mother so he get the social validation and emotional crutch of having a walking incubator proof him. If these women could have helped him, the movie would have been some stupid bluepill nonsense like It's A Wonderful Life. But he gets brutally rejected by all avenues of NTmaxxing and social maxxing, proving that not only does the 'commanding heights' of society not give a fuck about him, but neither do 'normal humans'.

The only remaining African-American in the movie is the angry black protester with a clown mask who's on the tv for 2 seconds near the mid point. He represents the rage against society that Arthur represses. All throughout the movie he tells himself that 'it isn't political'. He keeps distancing himself away from the rage of Gotham's populace. But at the end of the movie, he fully accepts it, and is in turn saved by the people of Gotham. He dies and rises again, becoming their Christ against the Roman Empire built by the Waynes.


Joker is a movie about a white guy becoming a black guy.​
His relationship with the black woman who lives on his floor was limited to a brief encounter in the elevator, and her later finding him in her apartment and asking that he leave. All the rest was delusional / imaginary. He apparently kills the fifth identifiable black adult he encounters - his female therapist at the mental hospital.
I'd watch it again if I were you.
 
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All very good points.

I've never liked comic book movies until Joker.

Why are villains, villains? Are they just naturally evil? That's how most superhero movies depict them. No one gives a second thought about them.

Joker's depiction of how crime and violence spreads is far more realistic. Mental health issues, class divisions, easy access to firearms. Some people are "uncomfortable" because they are asked to essentially humanize him.

Because, in this light, Batman is a fascist hell-bent on revenge for his parents' deaths. He protects his rich buddies, first and foremost. He is a self-appointed rich white Chad who decides that he has to violently guide the unwashed masses. The concept of a superhero is inherently undemocratic.
High IQ response tbh. Fundamentally this is what it boils down to.
 
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His relationship with the black woman who lives on his floor was limited to a brief encounter in the elevator, and her later finding him in her apartment and asking that he leave. All the rest was delusional / imaginary. He apparently kills the fifth identifiable black adult he encounters - his female therapist at the mental hospital.
I'd watch it again if I were you.
He tulpas a black single mother so he get the social validation
 
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