[Blackpill] Racepill Part 4 (bbc meme DEBUNKED)

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Todays blackpill (racepill) class brought to you by 13k will be about debunking bbc meme and distinction between stated and revealed racial preferences

We see a lotta people on this forum saying “just be black theory”, women lust after black men” “I know women who cant stop praising how attractive black men are”. Is there any truth to it ? or these women just LIE to virtue signal ?

Lets see.

This study will break down on how blacks men/females fare with white people in dating scene in detail. I’ve done the dirty work for you and read the full study. As always I will be sharing main TAKEAWAYS and in the end of this thread you will see the sources and link to the full PDF version of study.

“Black/White Dating Online: Interracial Courtship in the 21st Century”

Gerald A. Mendelsohn, Lindsay Shaw Taylor, Andrew T. Fiore, and Coye Cheshire
University of California, Berkeley


The goal of the current research was to further our knowledge of interracial dating by examining concurrently the stated and revealed preferences of Black and White users of a major online dating site. The study is based on a nationwide sample of more than a million participants who were seeking a date with a member of the opposite sex.

The major questions to be addressed follow:

1. To what extent do Black and White daters state an interest in dating (a) members of their own race, and (b) members of a race/ethnicity other than their own?

2. To what extent do Black and White daters initiate contact with persons of their own race and of a race/ethnicity other than their own? In particular, what are the relative rates of Black–Black, Black–White, White–White, and White–Black contacts initiated by participants?

3. To what extent do Black and White daters reciprocate contacts they have received online

Race. As part of their personal profile, users indicated their own racial/ethnic identification by selecting one from among a list of labels provided by the site. For this article, we selected only those who self-identified as African American/Black or Caucasian/White.

The Results:
The results for stated and revealed preferences are shown in Tables 1–3.

Preferences
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In sum, Whites more than Blacks and women more than men stated a preference for a partner of their own race/ethnicity. Black males were least selective in the sense that the majority of them stated no preference in regard to the race/ethnicity of a potential partner. White females, half of whom sought a partner of their own race/ethnicity, were the most selective of the four Race/Gender groups.

2-Contacts Initiated
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The most striking feature of the table is the difference between the behavior of the White and the Black users. An overwhelming majority (85% for females and males combined) of the contacts initiated by Whites were to Whites and a correspondingly small percent (3%) were to Blacks.

What about users who stated no racial or ethnic preferences? Was their stated indifference to race and ethnicity reflected in their behavior? The answer for Whites is that it was not, for even among those who specified no preference, contacts to Whites predominated greatly and contacts to Blacks were at a low level irrespective of age. In contrast, a majority of the contacts initiated by Black users in the category any were to members of races or ethnicities other than their own, including Whites.

3-Percent of Contacts Reciprocated
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Black users, in fact, were as a group more likely to reciprocate a message from a White person than from a Black person, White users who stated an indifference to race and ethnicity nevertheless reciprocated at a higher rate to Whites than to Blacks or others, but Blacks, both male and female whose stated preference was any reciprocated at a higher rate to Whites and others than to Blacks.

Young White individuals who stated an indifference to the race or ethnicity of a partner were, in fact, highly selective in their revealed preferences; 85% of the contacts they initiated were to Whites and 3% to Blacks. Were they hypocritical, alert to the realities of the social world, striving for political correctness, attempting an optimizing strategy of self-presentation?


The Conclusion

We analyzed personal profiles and records of communication for more than a million nationwide users of a major online dating site. Overall, Blacks, especially Black men, proved more open to cross-race dating than did Whites. More than 80% of the contacts initiated by Whites were to Whites, with only 3% to Blacks. This sharp difference held for men and women and even for those who stated no racial or ethnic preference in their profiles. Blacks were 10 times more likely to contact Whites than Whites were to contact Blacks.

There was, however, an inconsistency between stated and revealed preferences for women: Women who stated no preference in regard to race/ethnicity nevertheless revealed in their behavior a strong same-race/ethnicity preference.

Together, the above studies suggest that (1) individuals’ decisions about who interests them as a potential date are strongly influenced by considerations of race/ethnicity, and (2) what individuals say they want can differ from what their behavior reveals about their preferences. This distinction between stated and revealed preferences will be of central concern in the current research.

To summarize, on both measures of revealed preference, Black users showed more interest in cross-race dating than did White users. This was the case for men and women, for the young and even for those (in the category any) whose stated preferences indicated an indifference to a partner’s ethnicity


Sources:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270940618_BlackWhite_dating_online_Interracial_courtship_in_the_21st_century
https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/ppm-a0035357.pdf





 
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hey prof, can you do a racepill on mixed race(black/white) ethnics pls?
 
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I always knew that BBC theory was bullshit. In the area where I'm from, no woman would had ever wanted anything to do with black guys 10 years ago. But as the jews promoted the BBC meme since the early 2010's, I started to notice this phenomenon of ugly black guys making out with above 6 white women almost everyday around 2015-2016.
 
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I always knew that BBC theory was bullshit. In the area where I'm from, no woman would had ever wanted anything to do with black guys 10 years ago. But as the jews promoted the BBC meme since the early 2010's, I started to notice this phenomenon of ugly black guys making out with above 6 white women almost everyday around 2015-2016.
 
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Very good read and does indeed completely disprove the "Just be black" meme, though that was never a meme based on reason anyways.

I have to say, this is the one study that seems to present a more balanced rate for responses more in line with what I would have expected before some of the studies I read before on the topic. Whites obviously initiate with their own race more than blacks do even when they both say they'd date any race, but something that is intriguing about this study is that it seems like when black males and females did initiate with whites, they ended up getting a higher reciprocation rate with whites than with their own race.
While the study seems criticial towards whites for virtue signalling about how they don't prefer a certain race but then overwhelmingly pursue their own when it comes to initiating, it's worth mentioning that white men and women only reciprocated responses from their own race at a 3% higher percentage than they reciprocated blacks.

This entire study shows a far more liberal ideal of dating than I thought any of the race related studies would show tbh. I think if you're a non-subhuman snow bunny chaser then this is good news.
If you're subhuman at all? Forget about it, it's still the skewed percentages we see in every online study regardless of race, the top % of males will still be the only ones catching black and white tail and we subhumans remain virgins nonetheless. Shocker.
 
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hey prof, can you do a racepill on mixed race(black/white) ethnics pls?
according to stats being white/black is better than being full black in dating market
i will make a study / racepill thread about it tho
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Very good read and does indeed completely disprove the "Just be black" meme, though that was never a meme based on reason anyways.

I have to say, this is the one study that seems to present a more balanced rate for responses more in line with what I would have expected before some of the studies I read before on the topic. Whites obviously initiate with their own race more than blacks do even when they both say they'd date any race, but something that is intriguing about this study is that it seems like when black males and females did initiate with whites, they ended up getting a higher reciprocation rate with whites than with their own race.
While the study seems criticial towards whites for virtue signalling about how they don't prefer a certain race but then overwhelmingly pursue their own when it comes to initiating, it's worth mentioning that white men and women only reciprocated responses from their own race at a 3% higher percentage than they reciprocated blacks.

This entire study shows a far more liberal ideal of dating than I thought any of the race related studies would show tbh. I think if you're a non-subhuman snow bunny chaser then this is good news.
If you're subhuman at all? Forget about it, it's still the skewed percentages we see in every online study regardless of race, the top % of males will still be the only ones catching black and white tail and we subhumans remain virgins nonetheless. Shocker.
you are mistaken. You read "white female initiator" to find that number.
If a white female initiate the contact first, it is obvious that they are gonna reciprocate. Thats why white-black difference is low.
But when you look at black male initiator. You will see the gap is much more even for young white women who are supposedly liberal.
 
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Also something I found worth noting that the study didn't mention, it seems as though black men were absolutely the most genuine when stated they'd date any race. There seems to be this stereotype that black men, or at least black incels, only chase after white women.
But while the young black men who did state they would date any race did intiate with white women more often than black women, they also had the highest percentage of the bunch to initiate with non black or white (A whopping 24% of their initiation was with non-blacks or whites if i'm reading that stats correctly). This is in comparison to black women, white women and men who all had 11-13% initiation with non-blacks or whites.
So young black men with a racial preference of "any" percentage of initiation was 45% white, 31% black and 24% other. That's by far the most equal split of the groups in the study, and is far more closer to the ideal split of percentages if you're truly trying to date color blind.

you are mistaken. You read "white female initiator" to find that number.
If a white female initiate the contact first, it is obvious that they are gonna reciprocate. Thats why white-black difference is low.
But when you look at black male initiator. You will see the gap is much more even for young white women who are supposedly liberal.
I think I read it right? Under black male initiatior it states that when both state a preference for any race white women reciprocated 25% of black male initiation while black women reciprocated 20%. For a stated preference of "same and other" both white women and black women reciprocated 21% of black male initiation.

On the whole it says at the bottom that whites reciprocated 19% of the contacts received from whites and 16% of the contacts received by blacks, which is interesting given that whites initiate at a much higher percentage with their own race.

Again, this seems to me like a more liberal ideal view of how dating should be, with the only thing that might go against liberal beliefs is the fact that whites absolutely do not initiate with other races whatsoever, but they still reciprocated contacts received by other races at a comparable rate.
 
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according to stats being white/black is better than being full black in dating market
i will make a study / racepill thread about it tho
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noice. tag me when you make the mixed racepill.
 
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Also something I found worth noting that the study didn't mention, it seems as though black men were absolutely the most genuine when stated they'd date any race. There seems to be this stereotype that black men, or at least black incels, only chase after white women.
But while the young black men who did state they would date any race did intiate with white women more often than black women, they also had the highest percentage of the bunch to initiate with non black or white (A whopping 24% of their initiation was with non-blacks or whites if i'm reading that stats correctly). This is in comparison to black women, white women and men who all had 11-13% initiation with non-blacks or whites.
So young black men with a racial preference of "any" percentage of initiation was 45% white, 31% black and 24% other. That's by far the most equal split of the groups in the study, and is far more closer to the ideal split of percentages if you're truly trying to date color blind.


I think I read it right? Under black male initiatior it states that when both state a preference for any race white women reciprocated 25% of black male initiation while black women reciprocated 20%. For a stated preference of "same and other" both white women and black women reciprocated 21% of black male initiation.

On the whole it says at the bottom that whites reciprocated 19% of the contacts received from whites and 16% of the contacts received by whites, which is interesting given that whites initiate at a much higher percentage with their own race.

Again, this seems to me like a more liberal ideal view of how dating should be, with the only thing that might go against liberal beliefs is the fact that whites absolutely do not initiate with other races whatsoever, but they still reciprocated contacts received by other races at a comparable rate.
true, difference for reciprocated is small. But it is huge when you look at contact initiators. Even women who say they would only date people from other races, initiate contact with white men at 15%. ridiculous. lying whores.
 
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true, difference for reciprocated is small. But it is huge when you look at contact initiators. Even women who say they would only date people from other races, initiate contact with white men at 15%. ridiculous. lying whores.
Yeah, that's the thing that puts a hole in it as a complete reassurance of what you would expect a liberal dating scene to be.
But even still I had a far more pessimistic view of it than the one I walk away from this study with. You still cant believe a god damn thing women say though.
 
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BBC theory only exists because of a tiny handful (literally like 2 or 3) of basement dwelling turbo autists psychotically hellbent on spamming it everywhere they can and using 100+ alt accounts to do so. It's what they do 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Of course facts and statistics are going to debunk it. Okcupid studies have also confirmed the same thing, and they also show indian men have it the worst.

It's been posted many times before but for those who haven't seen it:


Despite overwhelming evidence against it, there are actually a lot of suggestible low-IQcels on lookism who have been influenced by these psychotic giga-aspie spammers.
 
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What about the non-dating scene, i.e. just pure hookups? If you go on any porn engine, you will find hundreds of thousands of amateur shot white woman / black male videos, but virtually nothing in any other category e.g. black woman white male.

The one thing black men do have going for them is the exotic/bbc meme which SOME women at least have to fall for. They may be trash in terms of relationship material, but does it have an effect on them for just sex?
 
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also show indian men have it the worst.
Does it?
With every race, except for Indian women, Indians seem to get an equal or better reply rate than blacks (Even with black women).
 
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What about the non-dating scene, i.e. just pure hookups? If you go on any porn engine, you will find hundreds of thousands of amateur shot white woman / black male videos
You do realize that pornography is all staged, right? These women are paid thousands of dollars to do these scripted scenes for a virtually exclusively male audience.

Using porn as an example of female preference is like using WWE matches as examples of real life fights.
 
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You do realize that pornography is all staged, right? These women are paid thousands of dollars to do these scripted scenes for a virtually exclusively male audience.

Using porn as an example of female preference is like using WWE matches as examples of real life fights.
 
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You do realize that pornography is all staged, right? These women are paid thousands of dollars to do these scripted scenes for a virtually exclusively male audience.

Using porn as an example of female preference is like using WWE matches as examples of real life fights.
You also have to know that like 90% of these "Amateur videos" aren't amateur. They are people who got paid to record an amateur looking porn.
 
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I thought you were a troll when you said you were 14 in your sig but after looking at your youtube channel, holy shit you are 14.

Why are you here? You literally just hit puberty. You have to give yourself some time to verify you are an incel, man.
 
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Of course the most left wing "anti-racist" demographic (white women) are actually the most concerned about the race of their partner.

That being said I literally see black man/white woman couples every day. The problem with this study is that it doesn't take into account individual looks (probably impossible to do, but still) or income/education. A woman that is looking for a partner (at times, a betabux even) is going to be a lot more choosy about income and education vs if she's just looking for some dick. Blacks are the poorest and least educated demographics, so for these kinds of women they're already ruled out to begin with.

And I've KNOWN several (usually trashy) white women that literally stated outright that black men are better hung, better in bed, etc. But most of them know that when it's time to buy a house and raise kids, a big dick won't do anything so many of them settle for betas. The BBC thing is definitely not ruled out.
 
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And I've KNOWN several (usually trashy) white women that literally stated outright that black men are better hung, better in bed, etc. But most of them know that when it's time to buy a house and raise kids, a big dick won't do anything so many of them settle for betas. The BBC thing is definitely not ruled out.
So what you're saying is that if i'm black, have a big dick and good education/income, this shit should be easy for me?
 
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What about the non-dating scene, i.e. just pure hookups? If you go on any porn engine, you will find hundreds of thousands of amateur shot white woman / black male videos, but virtually nothing in any other category e.g. black woman white male.

The one thing black men do have going for them is the exotic/bbc meme which SOME women at least have to fall for. They may be trash in terms of relationship material, but does it have an effect on them for just sex?
those vids exist because it's a big fetish. And literally the only reason it's a popular fetish among fappers is because racism.

I can't get off anything other than brute black men corrupting petite cute white girls. It's like destroying something beautiful, sacred white women.

not to mention, shitloads of those """""amateur"""""" bbc/white videos are staged. Producers know that "amateur" vids are more popular amoung fappers. only a very small percentage of those "amateur bbc" videos are actually amateur.
 
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So what you're saying is that if i'm black, have a big dick and good education/income, this shit should be easy for me?
If you're looking for a one night stand or fuck buddy? Income/education doesn't matter. Especially if you aim for working class white women as opposed to SWPL's (who are frankly a lot less fun and a lot more bullshit anyways).

But yeah I mean if you're looking for a wife especially among SWPL women the idea that an average white dude with an average dick and just a HS diploma really has it so much better is complete bullshit. I know LOTS of guys like this and they can't get laid and are lucky to get a GF (who usually ends up cheating anyways)
 
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according to stats being white/black is better than being full black in dating market
i will make a study / racepill thread about it tho
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Good info, most of my black friends are mixed race/mulatto, they are some of the cockiest people I have ever met and rightfully so, they have good looks and probably MOGa majority of my white friends
 
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those vids exist because it's a big fetish. And literally the only reason it's a popular fetish among fappers is because racism.

I can't get off anything other than brute black men corrupting petite cute white girls. It's like destroying something beautiful, sacred white women.

not to mention, shitloads of those """""amateur"""""" bbc/white videos are staged. Producers know that "amateur" vids are more popular amoung fappers. only a very small percentage of those "amateur bbc" videos are actually amateur.
Yea i agree with all this. Blacked gets bought up from time to time, but i always felt that shit was targeted at white men with bbc fetish. Its pretty fuckin racist when you think about it.
 
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according to stats being white/black is better than being full black in dating market
i will make a study / racepill thread about it tho
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that gif is brutal btw jfl that hurt

and :feelsautistic::feelsautistic::feelsgah: lightskin for the win boyo get mogged, still over tbh tbh
 
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Yea i agree with all this. Blacked gets bought up from time to time, but i always felt that shit was targeted at white men with bbc fetish. Its pretty fuckin racist when you think about it.
exactly, people with the fetish/belief think that lots of girls like that so they get this false sense of "girls love bbc" then @13k drops the racepill stats kek
 
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Debunk JBW next
 
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An absolutely sane thread.
 
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An absolutely sane thread.
remember when weed was so adamant you'd clean up tinder ? he swiped right all day long and could only get 1 black match LOL
and still writes shit like "skin color doesnt matter, its about BONES"
truly amazing. I guess nothing can make you see the truth if you just dont wanna accept it.
you have better bones than him, why didnt you get any matches then ?
 
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If you're looking for a one night stand or fuck buddy? Income/education doesn't matter. Especially if you aim for working class white women as opposed to SWPL's (who are frankly a lot less fun and a lot more bullshit anyways).

But yeah I mean if you're looking for a wife especially among SWPL women the idea that an average white dude with an average dick and just a HS diploma really has it so much better is complete bullshit. I know LOTS of guys like this and they can't get laid and are lucky to get a GF (who usually ends up cheating anyways)

Bullshit.
An average white dude with an average dick and HS diploma is already tiers above a black in a similar situation just by virtue of being white. The only situation where is where there is a big preference for black guys over white guys, but we know how unlikely that is because women all have the same tastes.
 
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Sticky this shit.

I hate the BBC meme with a passion. It needs to die.
 
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BBC theory only exists because of a tiny handful (literally like 2 or 3) of basement dwelling turbo autists psychotically hellbent on spamming it everywhere they can and using 100+ alt accounts to do so. It's what they do 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Of course facts and statistics are going to debunk it. Okcupid studies have also confirmed the same thing, and they also show indian men have it the worst.

It's been posted many times before but for those who haven't seen it:


Despite overwhelming evidence against it, there are actually a lot of suggestible low-IQcels on lookism who have been influenced by these psychotic giga-aspie spammers.
Yeah there's a crew on lookism and incel communities in general pushing an agenda for whatever reason that blacks are the most sexually desirable.
 
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BBC theory only exists because of a tiny handful (literally like 2 or 3) of basement dwelling turbo autists psychotically hellbent on spamming it everywhere they can and using 100+ alt accounts to do so. It's what they do 16 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Of course facts and statistics are going to debunk it. Okcupid studies have also confirmed the same thing, and they also show indian men have it the worst.

It's been posted many times before but for those who haven't seen it:


Despite overwhelming evidence against it, there are actually a lot of suggestible low-IQcels on lookism who have been influenced by these psychotic giga-aspie spammers.
Do you think curry Zyros would get laid?

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You do realize that pornography is all staged, right? These women are paid thousands of dollars to do these scripted scenes for a virtually exclusively male audience.

Using porn as an example of female preference is like using WWE matches as examples of real life fights.
Im talking about handheld shaky cam 120p stuff filmed in 2007, clearly amateur, clearly not professionally produced. At least so it seems.

Im not talking about BLACKED or anything like that.
 
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This thread is PURE COPE. The cumskin cavebitch female worships BBC.
 
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remember when weed was so adamant you'd clean up tinder ? he swiped right all day long and could only get 1 black match LOL
and still writes shit like "skin color doesnt matter, its about BONES"
truly amazing. I guess nothing can make you see the truth if you just dont wanna accept it.
you have better bones than him, why didnt you get any matches then ?
Proof I write that u fgt?
 
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lol @ all the coping

JFL if you're black tbh.

The only race that has it worse are indians.

If we didn't have the big dick/athletic stereotype we'd much worse off than even indians.
 
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lol @ all the coping

JFL if you're black tbh.

The only race that has it worse are indians.

If we didn't have the big dick/athletic stereotype we'd much worse off than even indians.
The thing is though I consider actual Africans on the same level as Curries, because the Stereotypes on apply on New World Blacks, old world blacks from Africa are just as fucked as Curries as they are both ugly, skinny, dark, have funny accents, and stinky. However, there are more Tyrones among old world Blacks than Chadpreets among curries
 
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The thing is though I consider actual Africans on the same level as Curries, because the Stereotypes on apply on New World Blacks, old world blacks from Africa are just as fucked as Curries as they are both ugly, skinny, dark, have funny accents, and stinky. However, there are more Tyrones among old world Blacks than Chadpreets among curries
Blacks are better as a whole but if we're getting into the specifics of ethnicity then Somali men are probably the most subhuman.
 
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remember when weed was so adamant you'd clean up tinder ? he swiped right all day long and could only get 1 black match LOL
and still writes shit like "skin color doesnt matter, its about BONES"
truly amazing. I guess nothing can make you see the truth if you just dont wanna accept it.
you have better bones than him, why didnt you get any matches then ?
What does PrinceOfCope look like? I'm assuming he's black with DOM looks?
 
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Its over for us ugly niggers fml.
 
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High IQ post. The old BBC trope is rooted in old school racism, when it was taboo (and so “naughty”) for a white woman to get with a “savage” black man. No one bats an eyelid at mixed race couples these days so this thrill is gone, booting blacks back into the ethnic scrap heap like the rest of us.
 
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High IQ post. The old BBC trope is rooted in old school racism, when it was taboo (and so “naughty”) for a white woman to get with a “savage” black man. No one bats an eyelid at mixed race couples these days so this thrill is gone, booting blacks back into the ethnic scrap heap like the rest of us.
im lightskin and when i was younger and with my dad whos white, people would look at us crazy
 
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