Serious Recreational sex is a capitalist creation pushed by liberal media to keep youths from class warfare

[Macrocephalus]

Sex is ubiquitous in today's western world. Sexual promiscuity is not only condoned but encouraged. Some argue that this is just the way things are naturally supposed to work. Actually though, this wasn't the case for a long time. People actually invested little time and resources dealing with sex. It was pretty much took for granted. Most people would eventually become of age, seek a partner through networking in communities (a small village, the church etc.), get married and that was pretty much it. They'll eventually move on to deal with less worldy and animal-like aspects of life rather than sex. It would play a small part in the rest of their existence, and mainly for reproductive reasons.

Ironically this glorification of sex happens in a time where many people are having less sex than their ancestors used to (there are many studies you probably already know, I'll just link one)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

By the way this is absolutely consistent with modern sexual dynamics, since of course when a resource is scarce, it becomes fetishized.

This mechanism also features a key characteristic of capitalism, which is unequally allocating resources: on one hand you have attractive people who are so awashed with sex, and take so much pride in succeeding at something so glorified by society, that they make it one of their main focus in life; then you have normies who delude themselves into thinking they'll eventually get to live the same life as attractive people if only they try hard enough and invest enough time/money; and finally on the other spectrum we have incels who are completely deprived of sex, and thus end up making something so worldly, something they were supposed to take for granted, their main source of pain, misery and motivation (or more often, lack thereof)


Quoting from Marx's "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844" regarding the estrangement of labor in the factory based system of production:

As a result, therefore, man (the worker) only feels himself freely active in his animal functions – eating, drinking, procreating, or at most in his dwelling and in dressing-up, etc.; and in his human functions he no longer feels himself to be anything but an animal. What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.

Certainly eating, drinking, procreating, etc., are also genuinely human functions. But taken abstractly, separated from the sphere of all other human activity and turned into sole and ultimate ends, they are animal functions.

There's only a finite amount of resources (time, money, intellectual capabilities) one can dedicate to a given number of activities. If a mundane activity such as sex ends up absorbing a hefty share of them (either because you're good at it and like indulging in it, or because you can't get any and won't stop brooding about it) there will be less resources to dedicate to something else (e.g. questioning the status quo)

Obviously we now live in a post-industrial society. People are now consumers first, rather than producers. Capitalism has thus switched from exploiting labor, to exploiting consumption. This is where the commodification of sex comes into play. Sex being promoted, advertised, fetishized, and unequally distributed just like any other commodity, only broadens the spectrum of consumption, and the broader it gets, the more there is for capitalism to exploit.
Labor -> Consumption -> Sex.
As a consequence, stemming from the estrangement of labor, WE CAN RIGHTFULLY TALK OF ESTRANGEMENT OF SEX as the main tool to degrade mankind.

What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.

 

[PPEcel]

Fascinating take on Marxism.

This mechanism also features a key characteristic of capitalism, which is unequally allocating resources: on one hand you have attractive people who are so awashed with sex, and take so much pride in succeeding at something so glorified by society, that they make it one of their main focus in life; then you have normies who delude themselves into thinking they'll eventually get to live the same life as attractive people if only they try hard enough and invest enough time/money; and finally on the other spectrum we have incels who are completely deprived of sex, and thus end up making something so worldly, something they were supposed to take for granted, their main source of pain, misery and motivation (or more often, lack thereof)

I'd argue this is less a characteristic of capitalism than it is social psychology.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

I'd say it's the wrong way round overcommodification is.
But tldr tbh.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Its very brutal truth. All this casual sex and feminism has hurt the working class more than it has hurt (((them))) and other rich scum

 

[DirtyCurryCell]

Sex is ubiquitous in today's western world. Sexual promiscuity is not only condoned but encouraged. Some argue that this is just the way things are naturally supposed to work. Actually though, this wasn't the case for a long time. People actually invested little time and resources dealing with sex. It was pretty much took for granted. Most people would eventually become of age, seek a partner through networking in communities (a small village, the church etc.), get married and that was pretty much it. They'll eventually move on to deal with less worldy and animal-like aspects of life rather than sex. It would play a small part in the rest of their existence, and mainly for reproductive reasons.

Ironically this glorification of sex happens in a time where many people are having less sex than their ancestors used to (there are many studies you probably already know, I'll just link one)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

By the way this is absolutely consistent with modern sexual dynamics, since of course when a resource is scarce, it becomes fetishized.

This mechanism also features a key characteristic of capitalism, which is unequally allocating resources: on one hand you have attractive people who are so awashed with sex, and take so much pride in succeeding at something so glorified by society, that they make it one of their main focus in life; then you have normies who delude themselves into thinking they'll eventually get to live the same life as attractive people if only they try hard enough and invest enough time/money; and finally on the other spectrum we have incels who are completely deprived of sex, and thus end up making something so worldly, something they were supposed to take for granted, their main source of pain, misery and motivation (or more often, lack thereof)


Quoting from Marx's "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844" regarding the estrangement of labor in the factory based system of production:

​

There's only a finite amount of resources (time, money, intellectual capabilities) one can dedicate to a given number of activities. If a mundane activity such as sex ends up absorbing a hefty share of them (either because you're good at it and like indulging in it, or because you can't get any and won't stop brooding about it) there will be less resources to dedicate to something else (e.g. questioning the status quo)

Obviously we now live in a post-industrial society. People are now consumers first, rather than producers. Capitalism has thus switched from exploiting labor, to exploiting consumption. This is where the commodification of sex comes into play. Sex being promoted, advertised, fetishized, and unequally distributed just like any other commodity, only broadens the spectrum of consumption, and the broader it gets, the more there is for capitalism to exploit.
Labor -> Consumption -> Sex.
As a consequence, stemming from the estrangement of labor, WE CAN RIGHTFULLY TALK OF ESTRANGEMENT OF SEX as the main tool to degrade mankind.

What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.

High iq, ngl
This has been on my mind for a while. I've been planning on writing a piece on this, but I'm currently researching.

 

[Deleted member 19236]

Marxism-Rodgerism

 

[Idotms]

Its very brutal truth. All this casual sex and feminism has hurt the working class more than it has hurt (((them))) and other rich scum

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

i dunno, has there ever been a revolution that made things less shitty for low status men? or a class warfare thing?

seems they always just turned into a iconoclastic hippie shitshow where anyone hoping to get a wife and a normal life was even more fucked than before.

the only exception is if there is a military emergency forcing everyone to shape up temporarily. and once the emergency is over it's back to the hippie fuckfest shit

school me on this if you can

 

[Transcended Trucel]

i dunno, has there ever been a revolution that made things less shitty for low status men? or a class warfare thing?

seems they always just turned into a hippie shitshow where anyone hoping to get a wife and a normal life was even more fucked than before.

the only exception is if there is a military emergency forcing everyone to shape up temporarily. and once the emergency is over it's back to the hippie fuckfest shit

school me on this if you can

This is sad truth. Revolutions just destroy old upper class but not even throughly in many cases, their progeny is still rich centuries later, there was genetic test and they found rich italians from 1500s, still have disproportionate representation in todays Italian upper class.

Tho I have read during Maos revolution many peasants killed their landlords and got good land so life actually became better for em

 

[SuperMario64DS]

Obviously we now live in a post-industrial society. People are now consumers first, rather than producers. Capitalism has thus switched from exploiting labor, to exploiting consumption.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Considering that median household income is barely sustainable in the United States (I mean barely), and that in order to have an okay starting salary that lets you save pennies you need to do go into tons of debt at overpriced college tuitions in hard fields of study like finance, engineering, and law - and ALL OF THIS has changed from what it was in the 20th century - I highly doubt that the exploitation of labor has "switched."

I think Marx was an idiot when it comes to the kind of "Hegelian" process of shifting from Capitalism to Communism. He was an absolute genius on Capitalism's self-destructive nature in that Capitalism would feed a growing wealth gap between the rich and the poor, and that the system would collapse when that gap became too drastic.

And I personally think we are definitely heading in the direction of capitalism imploding; our social interrelationships that are changing with the chivalric bar that men are unable to meet for women, with women having complete control and dominance over the sexual market, is definitely a result of our economic changing conditions.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Interesting application of Marxist theory to inceldom OP. I'll add that the vast majority of human economic activity is dedicated to male-female interaction. Something like 80% of the global economy is just glorified wealth transfers from males to females.

This is sad truth. Revolutions just destroy old upper class but not even throughly in many cases, their progeny is still rich centuries later, there was genetic test and they found rich italians from 1500s, still have disproportionate representation in todays Italian upper class.

Tho I have read during Maos revolution many peasants killed their landlords and got good land so life actually became better for em

Its because being rich is correlated with intelligence and high time preference. Combine this with good looks, and you can make the case that being rich is somewhat genetically linked. Intelligent people are smart enough to bankroll whoever needs to be funded to keep themselves clean. In China's case, it was more a case of "mass die off leads to better conditions for the living". They now have the same problems they had pre-revolution, possibly worse.

 

[Tenshi]

i dunno, has there ever been a revolution that made things less shitty for low status men? or a class warfare thing?

seems they always just turned into a iconoclastic hippie shitshow where anyone hoping to get a wife and a normal life was even more fucked than before.

the only exception is if there is a military emergency forcing everyone to shape up temporarily. and once the emergency is over it's back to the hippie fuckfest shit

school me on this if you can

The iranian islamic revolution tbh

 

[Deleted member 20207]

Humans are capitalist by nature though. Sex has always been a recreational activity, because it is satisfactory, and the most important thing in life, because it leads to reproduction, which is the only purpose with life. This is not a “capitalist creation”. Socialism is unnatural because it implies false collectivism (between socioeconomic classes) and eventually leads to general poverty by making everyone equally poor through redistribution of resources.

 

[Deleted member 21714]

Retarded post - only read half.

stop trying to inject this socialist cringe into the problem of male sexlessness.

 

[Benj-amin]

Sex is ubiquitous in today's western world. Sexual promiscuity is not only condoned but encouraged. Some argue that this is just the way things are naturally supposed to work. Actually though, this wasn't the case for a long time. People actually invested little time and resources dealing with sex. It was pretty much took for granted. Most people would eventually become of age, seek a partner through networking in communities (a small village, the church etc.), get married and that was pretty much it. They'll eventually move on to deal with less worldy and animal-like aspects of life rather than sex. It would play a small part in the rest of their existence, and mainly for reproductive reasons.

Ironically this glorification of sex happens in a time where many people are having less sex than their ancestors used to (there are many studies you probably already know, I'll just link one)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

By the way this is absolutely consistent with modern sexual dynamics, since of course when a resource is scarce, it becomes fetishized.

This mechanism also features a key characteristic of capitalism, which is unequally allocating resources: on one hand you have attractive people who are so awashed with sex, and take so much pride in succeeding at something so glorified by society, that they make it one of their main focus in life; then you have normies who delude themselves into thinking they'll eventually get to live the same life as attractive people if only they try hard enough and invest enough time/money; and finally on the other spectrum we have incels who are completely deprived of sex, and thus end up making something so worldly, something they were supposed to take for granted, their main source of pain, misery and motivation (or more often, lack thereof)


Quoting from Marx's "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844" regarding the estrangement of labor in the factory based system of production:

​

There's only a finite amount of resources (time, money, intellectual capabilities) one can dedicate to a given number of activities. If a mundane activity such as sex ends up absorbing a hefty share of them (either because you're good at it and like indulging in it, or because you can't get any and won't stop brooding about it) there will be less resources to dedicate to something else (e.g. questioning the status quo)

Obviously we now live in a post-industrial society. People are now consumers first, rather than producers. Capitalism has thus switched from exploiting labor, to exploiting consumption. This is where the commodification of sex comes into play. Sex being promoted, advertised, fetishized, and unequally distributed just like any other commodity, only broadens the spectrum of consumption, and the broader it gets, the more there is for capitalism to exploit.
Labor -> Consumption -> Sex.
As a consequence, stemming from the estrangement of labor, WE CAN RIGHTFULLY TALK OF ESTRANGEMENT OF SEX as the main tool to degrade mankind.

What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.

Recreational Sex is a illusion and the Signal of a decadent society.

 

[Macrocephalus]

Fascinating take on Marxism.



I'd argue this is less a characteristic of capitalism than it is social psychology.

I guess you mean sexual inequality has more to do with human behavior (namely female hypergamy) than economical patterns, such as capitalism. Legit, but I'd say that the latter fuels and further encourages the former

Considering that median household income is barely sustainable in the United States (I mean barely), and that in order to have an okay starting salary that lets you save pennies you need to do go into tons of debt at overpriced college tuitions in hard fields of study like finance, engineering, and law - and ALL OF THIS has changed from what it was in the 20th century - I highly doubt that the exploitation of labor has "switched."

I didn't mean that people don't have to work (wageslave?) anymore. Marx however was strictly referring to the factory based system of production, which is not so common in the West anymore since a large share of manufacturing production has long been moved to China/India or other developing countries

 

[Atavistic Autist]

What is animal becomes human and what is human becomes animal.​

Here's a perfect example of this from our resident liberal-capitalist ideologue:

Yet the only reason they killed themselves is because they were FOOLED into believing that there was more to the world than SURVIVAL and PHYSICAL ENJOYMENT! They were EGO-driven, so they thought of themselves as “beings” who are above animals, beings who are “superior” to animals of other species just by virtue of being ‘human’, and that humans must have a “higher purpose” to achieve in life beyond mere SURVIVAL and PHYSICAL ENJOYMENT

Straight from the horse's mouth

 

[Macrocephalus]

Marxism-Rodgerism

there was genetic test and they found rich italians from 1500s, still have disproportionate representation in todays Italian upper class.

That's very interesting, do you happen to have a link?

 

[Deleted member 21883]

Outcast hermit level IQ.

 

[SuperMario64DS]

Recreational Sex is a illusion and the Signal of a decadent society.

Humans are capitalist by nature though. Sex has always been a recreational activity, because it is satisfactory, and the most important thing in life, because it leads to reproduction, which is the only purpose with life. This is not a “capitalist creation”. Socialism is unnatural because it implies false collectivism (between socioeconomic classes) and eventually leads to general poverty by making everyone equally poor through redistribution of resources.

No, we aren't.
Business organizations are a recent invention.

Capitalism as a system does incorporate and prey upon fundamental human nature to its own ends (competition, scarce resources, self-interest), but that does not necessarily mean that human nature is equivalent to capitalism, nor does it mean that all social development which have come as a result of capitalism are inherently a result of human nature.

Why is it then that every religion in the world has viewed recreational sex as immoral? Every single one? Back in the 1st century, a woman would have been stoned to death for having sex before marriage in the Middle East. You can make the argument that "oh, that's inconsistent with human nature," but a religious zealot in that society would say you are decedent. At that point, you should realize that claiming your own de-facto lifestyle and norms of your own society are "human nature" is incredibly foolish, and you should think critically about what has been consistent throughout time and space about "human nature," and what separates your society from all the societies in the world.

No society in the world in time or in space has viewed sex quite the way we have as a society. Almost all relationships are built on nothing but sex. Nor has there ever been a society in the world that has had as high divorce rates, abortions, contraception, irreligiosity, lack of community, obesity, and wealth gap.

 

[Macrocephalus]

Humans are capitalist by nature though. Sex has always been a recreational activity, because it is satisfactory, and the most important thing in life, because it leads to reproduction, which is the only purpose with life. This is not a “capitalist creation”. Socialism is unnatural because it implies false collectivism (between socioeconomic classes) and eventually leads to general poverty by making everyone equally poor through redistribution of resources.

Sex as a recreational activity and sex a mean to reproduction are two very different things though. One might argue they are antithetical. Indeed, the same media carrying out this hyperglorification of sex we are witnessing, are also heavily campaigning to stigmatise and diminish procreation and marital relationships

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2017/07/12/save-planet-dont-children/amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert

Outcast hermit level IQ.

That's an odd way to insult, hermits were usually smart people tbhngl

 

[based_meme]

Capitalism as a system does incorporate and prey upon fundamental human nature to its own ends (competition, scarce resources, self-interest), but that does not necessarily mean that human nature is equivalent to capitalism, nor does it mean that all social development which have come as a result of capitalism are inherently a result of human nature.

In that vein, what political, religious, or socio-economic ideology or system of thinking would you argue closest resembles human nature then?

 

[gonzoalez]

procreation and sex are murder because fecundated zygotes die spontaneously for every successful conception
the only way to be a non-murderer is to be a semen-retention celibate