I was never a redpiller; as far as schools of thought on female nature are concerned I jumped pretty much straight from bluepill to blackpill (which might explain whatever personal brand of faggotry I might unknowingly exude, but I digress). If I am wrong on anything I might say about the redpill based on what is mostly impressions of it and cursory reading of its material please let me know.
It seems to me that, at its core, PUA, TRP and redpill shit in general is face to face sales. I was just at training for a door to door sales job, and as soon as the guy starts talking about body language and subconscious signals people give off I am instantly reminded of Mystery telling a bunch of sub 5 males not to face someone enterring a room so they don't convey too much interest. The talk of personal space, confident body language and taking control of the conversation is basically holding frame, and talking someone into sex is treated more or less like selling somebody a product they may or may not need. It's all marketing.
I almost burst out laughing when my manager compared sales to courtship, and said that you could be the handsomest, best-dressed guy in the bar and women still wouldn't kiss you if you didn't go to kiss them first. I see what he was getting at but to think that Chad can walk around in a night club and not have women chat him up or try to grap his ass is magnitude 10 redpill coping.
If women are sexual gatekeepers or sexual free market capitalists or whatever other analogy you want to use for women's sexual behaviour, redpillers are sexual door to door salesmen. They walk through a bar or some other environment with lots of women and try selling themselves to them just like I would be dropped off at a street and made to knock on the doors of everyone there so I can pitch the product's cost-reducing community program to them.
The way redpillers view sexuality as products, services, marketing and transactions really shows in their worldviews. They (to be fair, they aren't wrong) basically unironically believe the copypasta that says raising a daughter is cucked because you are making something for another man to enjoy for nothing in return, and most MGTOWs and redpillers view sex they recieve as a result of game to be like getting a good deal after selling or heckling for something using psychological tricks. Many redpillers and MGTOWs also like to think of themselves as rugged, masculine entrepreneurs running their own motorbike mechanic shops and half of them are anarcho-capitalists or libertarians politically. Look at the ways in which FDS tries to mirror or fight TRP on its own turf - by treating everything as a transaction that can be milked for the best possible returns. Get men to work hard for nudes (ie shower her with validation and money) take an incel to dinner and have him pay for your meal.
Even the cynical figures like RooshV selling glorified self help scam books to audiences they have long since grown to hate are propelled by marketing tricks. The redpill is just sex and marketing mixed together in a bunch of different ways. Why do you think it appeals to people whose worldview is that all human interaction is almost entirely transactional?
It's no surprise that where redpillers' worldview then fails is the product they are supposed to sell - themselves. When a redpiller talks about game and frame and spinning plates, you don't laugh at them because what they're saying is retarded in a vacuum (it works fine for Chad) so much as you laugh at them because they are behaving like slayers despite being 35 yo balding divorced dad MGTOW-coping incels. The first line of argument by cucks against redpillers is that they are all fat and have neckbeards (stale adhoms) for a reason - what they have to say is infinitely more valid than bluepill propaganda. It still doesn't work when you're subhuman though.
The best marketing tricks in the world won't allow you to sell shit. An incel practicing PUA is like going door to door with a wheelbarrow of manure and offering to sell it to people. Manure might be cheap and it's great fertiliser, but it still elicits a disgust response from people (just like incels elicit disgust responses from women). Very few people on any given street want a nice bagful of manure, no matter how much you respect their personal space, show them the palms of your hands, act friendly and control the topic of conversation while selling it to them. People who avidly garden are a minority of the population (like sexually available breeding age women), which makes your chances of selling manure to some outlier customer even lower. Just hold frame as a 5'2 balding Indian janitor, bro! If you start acting alpha you will become desirable to girls!
The way I see it, it is almost infinitely easier for me to do a door to door sales job than it would be for me to approach a woman and get sex, love, platonic friendship or even a single willing second of her time from her if she didn't think I was going to buy her anything. Not only is selling myself to women as a babyfaced autist manlet like selling manure to strangers at their doorsteps, but women also get a much worse deal out of me than they would out of what I sell for work - I was told nonstop for hours of my training to tell customers that there was no upfront fee for the product, unlike the products of our competitors, to make them more willing to capitalise on the opportunity to buy. In a woman's mind sex with a man is paid up front and then followed by nine monthly payments to get the product that some women go bankrupt trying to pay off, then two decades of smaller payments with compounding interest to keep the product. She has to really want it to buy it, even if you have a condom on, because her perception of the deal being that is hardcoded into her genes. Do you think she will spend all that on a 5'2 balding Indian janitor? Seriously?
Anyone redpilled or bluepilled reading this who doesn't think it's over for many of us needs to think about what we would have to sell to women using PUA to get laid. Even if we lose weight (which this forum urges people to - fatcels are volcels), clear up our skin, get a tan and lift our subhuman bone structure that screams weakness, malnourishment, disease and death to foids will still be on full display. It's over for many men, man.
Not to mention that when women on reddit complain about pickup artists, the annoyed tone with which they complain is basically the same as someone complaining about a door to door salesman annoying them with a bad product. Feminist sexual harassment laws are women trying to put a "no solicitors" sign on their pussies so uggos don't bother them. Just be confident is just approach in nicer language because they're thinking about Chad do it as they say it.
It seems to me that, at its core, PUA, TRP and redpill shit in general is face to face sales. I was just at training for a door to door sales job, and as soon as the guy starts talking about body language and subconscious signals people give off I am instantly reminded of Mystery telling a bunch of sub 5 males not to face someone enterring a room so they don't convey too much interest. The talk of personal space, confident body language and taking control of the conversation is basically holding frame, and talking someone into sex is treated more or less like selling somebody a product they may or may not need. It's all marketing.
I almost burst out laughing when my manager compared sales to courtship, and said that you could be the handsomest, best-dressed guy in the bar and women still wouldn't kiss you if you didn't go to kiss them first. I see what he was getting at but to think that Chad can walk around in a night club and not have women chat him up or try to grap his ass is magnitude 10 redpill coping.
If women are sexual gatekeepers or sexual free market capitalists or whatever other analogy you want to use for women's sexual behaviour, redpillers are sexual door to door salesmen. They walk through a bar or some other environment with lots of women and try selling themselves to them just like I would be dropped off at a street and made to knock on the doors of everyone there so I can pitch the product's cost-reducing community program to them.
The way redpillers view sexuality as products, services, marketing and transactions really shows in their worldviews. They (to be fair, they aren't wrong) basically unironically believe the copypasta that says raising a daughter is cucked because you are making something for another man to enjoy for nothing in return, and most MGTOWs and redpillers view sex they recieve as a result of game to be like getting a good deal after selling or heckling for something using psychological tricks. Many redpillers and MGTOWs also like to think of themselves as rugged, masculine entrepreneurs running their own motorbike mechanic shops and half of them are anarcho-capitalists or libertarians politically. Look at the ways in which FDS tries to mirror or fight TRP on its own turf - by treating everything as a transaction that can be milked for the best possible returns. Get men to work hard for nudes (ie shower her with validation and money) take an incel to dinner and have him pay for your meal.
Even the cynical figures like RooshV selling glorified self help scam books to audiences they have long since grown to hate are propelled by marketing tricks. The redpill is just sex and marketing mixed together in a bunch of different ways. Why do you think it appeals to people whose worldview is that all human interaction is almost entirely transactional?
It's no surprise that where redpillers' worldview then fails is the product they are supposed to sell - themselves. When a redpiller talks about game and frame and spinning plates, you don't laugh at them because what they're saying is retarded in a vacuum (it works fine for Chad) so much as you laugh at them because they are behaving like slayers despite being 35 yo balding divorced dad MGTOW-coping incels. The first line of argument by cucks against redpillers is that they are all fat and have neckbeards (stale adhoms) for a reason - what they have to say is infinitely more valid than bluepill propaganda. It still doesn't work when you're subhuman though.
The best marketing tricks in the world won't allow you to sell shit. An incel practicing PUA is like going door to door with a wheelbarrow of manure and offering to sell it to people. Manure might be cheap and it's great fertiliser, but it still elicits a disgust response from people (just like incels elicit disgust responses from women). Very few people on any given street want a nice bagful of manure, no matter how much you respect their personal space, show them the palms of your hands, act friendly and control the topic of conversation while selling it to them. People who avidly garden are a minority of the population (like sexually available breeding age women), which makes your chances of selling manure to some outlier customer even lower. Just hold frame as a 5'2 balding Indian janitor, bro! If you start acting alpha you will become desirable to girls!
The way I see it, it is almost infinitely easier for me to do a door to door sales job than it would be for me to approach a woman and get sex, love, platonic friendship or even a single willing second of her time from her if she didn't think I was going to buy her anything. Not only is selling myself to women as a babyfaced autist manlet like selling manure to strangers at their doorsteps, but women also get a much worse deal out of me than they would out of what I sell for work - I was told nonstop for hours of my training to tell customers that there was no upfront fee for the product, unlike the products of our competitors, to make them more willing to capitalise on the opportunity to buy. In a woman's mind sex with a man is paid up front and then followed by nine monthly payments to get the product that some women go bankrupt trying to pay off, then two decades of smaller payments with compounding interest to keep the product. She has to really want it to buy it, even if you have a condom on, because her perception of the deal being that is hardcoded into her genes. Do you think she will spend all that on a 5'2 balding Indian janitor? Seriously?
Anyone redpilled or bluepilled reading this who doesn't think it's over for many of us needs to think about what we would have to sell to women using PUA to get laid. Even if we lose weight (which this forum urges people to - fatcels are volcels), clear up our skin, get a tan and lift our subhuman bone structure that screams weakness, malnourishment, disease and death to foids will still be on full display. It's over for many men, man.
Not to mention that when women on reddit complain about pickup artists, the annoyed tone with which they complain is basically the same as someone complaining about a door to door salesman annoying them with a bad product. Feminist sexual harassment laws are women trying to put a "no solicitors" sign on their pussies so uggos don't bother them. Just be confident is just approach in nicer language because they're thinking about Chad do it as they say it.
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