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Unpopular opinion: I don’t think ugly women have it as easy as people here claim

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I’m not saying they can be incel, clearly sex is always available as a woman. I’m also not saying their lives are anywhere near as difficult as ugly men, but that bar is so low that it is miles beneath the tectonic plates and into the earth’s mantle anyway.

As we are highly social animals; Being a low status human of any kind is tough, and women are extremely judgemental of not just men’s looks but also each other’s. Humans don’t really care about how good their life is, or even how high their social standing is when considered in isolation, they are only concerned with how good their life is / how high their social standing is relative to other people.

It doesn’t matter that unattractive women can still get laid, or if they have male orbiters or not. As is the case with all humans, they are very adept at spotting injustice in the world when it is enacted against them, and the worship of attractive women as goddesses is one of the most overtly observable aspects of our culture as a species and (justifiably so imo) rubs them up the wrong way in the same way Chad’s life does to us.

Many women often stress that it is what is on the inside of a person that counts, yet at the same time it is clear that they can’t deny to themselves the intrinsic relationship between beauty and their value as a person, shown in their refusal to admit that ‘ugliness’ can even exist as a female trait. What I mean by this is that It is taboo to say that even an obese woman isn’t beautiful, not even to say that she’s ugly, merely to say that she ‘isn’t beautiful’ is enough to be considered a misogynist. If what’s on the inside is truly what’s important then why does it matter if a woman is unattractive or not?

Regardless of this collective denialism, Ugly women know that they exist - because perceived ugliness is an evolutionary phenomenon we are genetically programmed to pick up on. Believe me, they are very aware of how important looks are to their social standing even amongst other women. For some reason we seem to buy into the idea that men can have worth beyond their level of attractiveness (though practically speaking this is also by and large a lie) so it is in no way taboo to say that an obese man isn’t beautiful or handsome. But the thought of not being beautiful is so universally understood to be insulting to a woman that paradoxically even the mention of an obese woman as ‘not beautiful‘ is now tantamount to a social crime against womanhood itself, if women genuinely believed they had worth beyond their looks this wouldn’t be the case. The running line would be ‘ugly women have as much worth as beautiful women’ instead of just ‘every woman is beautiful’ which is the established platitude we currently run with.

But don’t let this convince you that everyone actually buys into the fact that every woman really is beautiful. The reason it is such a crime to state the existence of female ugliness publicly is exactly because of the fear that women have that if they aren’t beautiful then they have no value as a human.

It’s actually less taboo to call a Stacy ‘not beautiful’ than it is to say the same of an obese woman covered head to toe in cystic acne. This is because there is truth in the second example and an insult is only insulting when there is an element of truth in it.

Unattractive women live in constant fear of this fact, which is why any dissent from this narrative is met with such forceful suppression, and you should not think they are valued by society just because there are desperate males who are willing to validate them.
 
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The SMV value of women is undeniable though. Most ugly women have more value than most in society.
 
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I agree.
I think people here exaggerate reality to the point of being binary. They might be doing it for shits and giggles, or they might be that deluded, I honestly cant tell.
Also there is a lot of bait and switch unfortunately, similar to how foidists claim "Foidism is for equalitea, check the definition you misogynist!"

Now obviously, sex is a lot easier for a woman to get. But when you put forward the idea that inceldom might mean something beyond that, like not being able to get a mutual relationship, I think there are women out there who would qualify. And I know for a fact that this forum thinks inceldom means more than just sex.

With that said, most of the views here are caused by isolation and segregation. Similar to women's stupid morning shows. Some people end up saying stupid shit, and it doesnt get challenged because filthy centrists ( :feelskek: ) keep their heads down, and there are no men around to oppose.

Dont get me wrong, I am FOR segregation of genders in this forum. Simping knows no bounds. But you also have to keep in mind that it will cause some weird ideas floating around.
 
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The SMV value of women is undeniable though. Most ugly women have more value than most in society.
I know SMV seems the be-all-end-all to everyone here (rightly so as not being alone is the bare minimum required to be content) but humans need more to be happy. Imagine being told constantly that ‘all women are beautiful’ and then you look in the mirror as a woman and see yourself as undeniably ugly, that has got to have some weird paradoxical mental impact.
 
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I'm all out of empathy for any kind of woman.
 
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tldr op, quick read sounds like bullshit
 
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Oh no they cant get chad how sad
 
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I know SMV seems the be-all-end-all to everyone here (rightly so as not being alone is the bare minimum required to be content) but humans need more to be happy. Imagine being told constantly that ‘all women are beautiful’ and then you look in the mirror as a woman and see yourself as undeniably ugly, that has got to have some weird paradoxical mental impact.
so if these ugly women were able to get chad would that wire them to believe that they are worth it? or would they be afraid that he would not settle for their looks and find a better option? I don't see the problem if ugly women just dated ugly men, but they always want what they can't have
 
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I'm all out of empathy for any kind of woman.
Not trying to provoke empathy, just detailing the fact Lookism is pervasive at every level, even to women.
 
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The reality is all they have to do is date anyone other than a chad. Nearly all women are dealt a winning hand in life. Some are just to stupid to play it correctly and experience some minor discomfort.
 
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Oh no they cant get chad how sad
They are also not respected by their peers, something many incels here complain about. Read the damn post.
 
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Not trying to provoke empathy, just detailing the fact Lookism is pervasive at every level, even to women.
That's like a starving homeless bum thinking about the decrease of living standards among the middle class. Oh no, Stacy will get a used SUV on her 16th birthday, that's not unlike a guy lining his jacket with cardboard so he doesn't freeze to death.
 
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I agree I've seen studies where ugly women were unlikely to get calls back for job interviews.

But I will say Juggernaut Law goes beyond even sex despite what most femcels say.


Look at the marriage sections of the wiki.
 
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Meh it depends where they live. If they live in a first world country everyone and their mom will come to help and support an ugly female.

Different story if it's in a third world shithole country.
 
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That's like a starving homeless bum thinking about the decrease of living standards among the middle class. Oh no, Stacy will get a used SUV on her 16th birthday, that's not unlike a guy lining his jacket with cardboard so he doesn't freeze to death.
You’re right, I don’t expect anyone here to lose any sleep over it. I just want to understand the ramifications of being ugly as comprehensively and on as many levels as I can, and this thread is for people with that same interest.
 
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Ugly women have an higher SMV than their male looksmatch or even than men that are higher than her looksmatch.
They might be able to get ONS through dating apps, BUT I do not think that they have it as easy as gl girls when it comes to long term relationships.

Ugly girls get cheated on more often than prettier girls.
However, no doubts that these ugly women have it better than 90% of men.
 
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Damn, that's pretty high IQ, ngl. That's something IT will never touch.

Now obviously, sex is a lot easier for a woman to get. But when you put forward the idea that inceldom might mean something beyond that, like not being able to get a mutual relationship, I think there are women out there who would qualify. And I know for a fact that this forum thinks inceldom means more than just sex.
Nah, i'd say that the possiblility of a woman not being able to get into a relationship is pretty damn low, just take a look at the Tinder juggernaut experiment, i know that most of those guys just want to fuck her (the photo used in the experiment is a solid 1/10), but let's be honest, at least one of those guys could have a relationship in mind, and that alone is better than the absolute radio silence that we, ugly men, receive on Tinder.
 
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I’m not saying they can be incel, clearly sex is always available as a woman. I’m also not saying their lives are anywhere near as difficult as ugly men, but that bar is so low that it is miles beneath the tectonic plates and into the earth’s mantle anyway.

As we are highly social animals; Being a low status human of any kind is tough, and women are extremely judgemental of not just men’s looks but also each other’s. Humans don’t really care about how good their life is, or even how high their social standing is when considered in isolation, they are only concerned with how good their life is / how high their social standing is relative to other people.

It doesn’t matter that unattractive women can still get laid, or if they have male orbiters or not. As is the case with all humans, they are very adept at spotting injustice in the world when it is enacted against them, and the worship of attractive women as goddesses is one of the most overtly observable aspects of our culture as a species and (justifiably so imo) rubs them up the wrong way in the same way Chad’s life does to us.

Many women often stress that it is what is on the inside of a person that counts, yet at the same time it is clear that they can’t deny to themselves the intrinsic relationship between beauty and their value as a person, shown in their refusal to admit that ‘ugliness’ can even exist as a female trait. What I mean by this is that It is taboo to say that even an obese woman isn’t beautiful, not even to say that she’s ugly, merely to say that she ‘isn’t beautiful’ is enough to be considered a misogynist. If what’s on the inside is truly what’s important then why does it matter if a woman is unattractive or not?

Regardless of this collective denialism, Ugly women know that they exist - because perceived ugliness is an evolutionary phenomenon we are genetically programmed to pick up on. Believe me, they are very aware of how important looks are to their social standing even amongst other women. For some reason we seem to buy into the idea that men can have worth beyond their level of attractiveness (though practically speaking this is also by and large a lie) so it is in no way taboo to say that an obese man isn’t beautiful or handsome. But the thought of not being beautiful is so universally understood to be insulting to a woman that paradoxically even the mention of an obese woman as ‘not beautiful‘ is now tantamount to a social crime against womanhood itself, if women genuinely believed they had worth beyond their looks this wouldn’t be the case. The running line would be ‘ugly women have as much worth as beautiful women’ instead of just ‘every woman is beautiful’ which is the established platitude we currently run with.

But don’t let this convince you that everyone actually buys into the fact that every woman really is beautiful. The reason it is such a crime to state the existence of female ugliness publicly is exactly because of the fear that women have that if they aren’t beautiful then they have no value as a human.

It’s actually less taboo to call a Stacy ‘not beautiful’ than it is to say the same of an obese woman covered head to toe in cystic acne. This is because there is truth in the second example and an insult is only insulting when there is an element of truth in it.

Unattractive women live in constant fear of this fact, which is why any dissent from this narrative is met with such forceful suppression, and you should not think they are valued by society just because there are desperate males who are willing to validate them.
Well there is make up, I've been seen 60 years old woman larp as 25 kek
 
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you should not think they are valued by society just because there are desperate males who are willing to validate them.
humanity has abandon ugly people . water is wet
 
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Women ugly or beautiful need to be kept down and in check not just for the sake of ugly men but for the sake of humanity in general (although can't lie, the two go hand in hand).
 
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Ugly women have it far worse than average/attractive women

But in relation the live of an ugly male is a nightmare


Tldr btw



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You sound an expert on how ugly women seem to think, feel and are aware of, but I disagree.

I've seen too many real life examples of normie guys getting with them in relationships as well as on other forums over the past 10+ years.

E.g. Flying overseas from the US, Australia to get the UK girl who looks like a female
Rocky Dennis or an obese Canadian 25 year old with a gummy smile who had done porn and had a video on pornhub of herself in action.

They still found a normie guy, even though they were a few looks points below him but he was happy as fuck they liked him and gave him a chance, while the looksmatched and uglier guys looked on and rotted and most are to this day and will continue to.

They can get decent careers also easier than uglier males with the same education also because of feminism and equality, they get treated like ethnics!
 
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Oh no they cant get chad how sad
OP overexerted himself to not look like an IT lurker with that long ass post tbh
There even is post about a Tinder experiment rn about some random sub4 whale managing to get 800 likes in 1 DAY.
That is utterly ridiculous and proves without question hole infinte SMV.
 
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You're right because there are actually two issues people talk most about here, and often mix them together (they do overlap a lot). Those are

1.) General Lookism that every human experiences

2.) The overall contradiction in interests between men and women, stemming from different mating strategies. Lookism plays a part in this of course.
 
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OP overexerted himself to not look like an IT lurker with that long ass post tbh
There even is post about a Tinder experiment rn about some random sub4 whale managing to get 800 likes in 1 DAY.
That is utterly ridiculous and proves without question hole infinte SMV.
If you actually read his post he addresses that in the 1st sentence lol.
 
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The ugly holes still aren't gonna fuck you dude.

I can acknowledge an ugly foid doesn't live life on perfect recruit difficulty, but she certainly has it better than most men.
 
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OP overexerted himself to not look like an IT lurker with that long ass post tbh
There even is post about a Tinder experiment rn about some random sub4 whale managing to get 800 likes in 1 DAY.
That is utterly ridiculous and proves without question hole infinte SMV.
Not even a tinder experiment.
According to OP, that's his sister's tinder. :feelsrope:
 
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They're not millionaires. But they still live in a 1st world country. Meanwhile we are drowning in the shit filled river Ganges of india
 
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The ugly holes still aren't gonna fuck you dude.

I can acknowledge an ugly foid doesn't live life on perfect recruit difficulty, but she certainly has it better than most men.
And also self improvement would actually work for them. If an overweight landwhale would start to hit the gym 4 times a week, stops eating crap food and get interesting hobbies or a better style, it would be super easy for them to find a commited decent dude.

So I have no compession with them whatsoever.
 
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OP overexerted himself to not look like an IT lurker with that long ass post tbh
There even is post about a Tinder experiment rn about some random sub4 whale managing to get 800 likes in 1 DAY.
That is utterly ridiculous and proves without question hole infinte SMV.
Did you even read what I wrote? I’m not talking about SMV I’m talking about social status, which is an extremely important part of human happiness.
The ugly holes still aren't gonna fuck you dude.
Forced meme. I am not simping women by writing this, not everything I write here is a solicitation for people to agree with me or to gain something. My only interest is describing the world as I see it, I’m not out for plaudits.
 
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Fuck that shit man, the lowest status female in my whole school has; compared to me, plenty of love and support. From her teachers, administration, other low status females in and outside of school, a couple of guys, and her family. Also has more vidya copes than me JFL but she takes meds because she got bullied and trauma and shiet.

Lowest status female > normie male
 
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I somewhat agree tbh
A woman's value comes from her looks alone
A man's worth can come from other sources
 
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before tinder maybe, but now every foid can get a guy if they're willing to go for their looksmatch
 
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Every time these Beckies go out, all the other women see that the Becky hasn't been able to get a Chad husband. Whereas Stacies aregoing around with theirChad husband and big smileson their faces showing off.

That is a big reason so many women are becoming shut in's, I estimate in my city at least half of young women just go to work or college, go to the grocery store then stay inside most all of the time watching tv. They are too ashamed to go outside and be mogged by more attractive women.
 
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Look at how far niggas will go just to simp.

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This

And the title of the post is easily debunked a million times over by Juggernaut Law
He wasn't talking about juggernaut law. The first sentence of the post is saying that it's not about SMV lol. He was talking about lookism in other areas like social status, workplace, getting hired, etc.
 
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He wasn't talking about juggernaut law. The first sentence of the post is saying that it's not about SMV lol. He was talking about lookism in other areas like social status, workplace, getting hired, etc.
Other areas of life mean nothing; they're all a bluepilled means to an end, that end being sex.

Sex is everything. And literally any foid can get sex at literally any time.
 
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I honestly didn't read a single word and your argument is probably a strong case but the fact that society will throw me to a pack of wolf in a heartbeat to defend my country and it's "ladies" no matter how ugly they look is enough proof for me to respectfully disagree with you

They dont have it as easy as good looking women.but easy their lives are nonetheless.
 
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The SMV value of women is undeniable though. Most ugly women have more value than most in society.
Absolute fact tbh.
 
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