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According to Mic, "A recently released study suggests that the majority of survivors of childhood sexual abuse are able to achieve what the study calls “complete mental health.” Complete mental Health (CMH) is defined, in the study, as, “the absence of mental illness in combination with almost daily happiness.” In the findings, 65% of childhood sexual abuse survivors who participated were reported to have CMH, compared to 77% of the general population." According to the article, having support from a confidant (a trusted friend you can talk about personal issues to) helps make victims more resilient.
The study admittedly controls for people with a history of depression or people who had multiple traumas. It's very common for the sexually abused to suffer multiple kinds of abuse. Children who suffer multiple abuse have more negative outcomes. HOWEVER, that was all controlled for because that would suggest that many child sexual abuse victims struggle with healing NOT because of the sexual abuse alone, but because of other kinds of abuse they might have suffered, too. Also, problems like chronic pain, depression, mental illness, substance abuse/dependence, etc. can decrease the odds of recovering from sexual abuse.
"If the survivors had been depressed at any point in their life, the odds of them currently being in complete mental health declined dramatically. This underlines the importance of mental-health interventions for this population. A promising intervention, cognitive behavioral therapy [CBT], has been tested and found effective at reducing post-traumatic stress disorder and depressive and anxiety symptoms among childhood sexual-abuse survivors," said co-author Dr. Ashley Lacombe-Duncan, a recent doctoral graduate from the FIFSW and Assistant Professor of Social Work at the University of Michigan. "Having a confidante was found to be the second-strongest single predictor of complete mental health, increasing the odds of past-year complete mental health nearly sevenfold. Given the importance of family and social-support systems, brief interventions to address trauma post-experience and bolster social and familial support are also called for," suggested Dr. Deborah Goodman, Director, Child Welfare Institute, Children's Aid Society of Toronto. Sexual-abuse survivors who had chronic pain had half the odds of complete mental health compared to those who were free of chronic pain. "It is important that health and social-service professionals help sexual-abuse survivors get the treatment they need to address both their physical health problems, such as chronic pain conditions, in addition to their mental-health concerns," said Dr. Barbara Fallon, Professor at the FIFSW and Canada Research Chair in Child Welfare.
Many bluepillers like to say that rape, child molestation, statutory rape, etc. ruins lives. Here's the thing: when a childhood sexual abuse survivor suffers multiple kinds of abuse such as physical abuse, witnessing domestic violence, etc. or has a history of mental illness or chronic pain, they are less likely to heal, which means that their problems with healing isn't from the sexual abuse alone, but from multiple problems they've suffered. Also, research has shown that when child sexual abuse survivors have depression, they are less likely to heal. Research also confirms that having a confidant and someone who you can trust and talk to and having emotional support from others helps the odds of recovery skyrocket and they are less likely to experience depression, disorders, etc. if they have someone to talk to and emotional support from others. This means that sexual abuse itself doesn't inherently ruin lives. A professor named Paul Tappan wrote that the idea that victims of sex attacks are ruined for life is a myth, and that society's intense reaction to sex offenses actually increases sexual trauma for victims. He wrote that society's reaction to sex offenses and society teaching victims that they cannot heal makes it significantly harder for victims to heal or persevere, and that without this reaction/moral panic from society, victims could heal pretty easily. The Kinsey researchers agreed with him, stating that society's reaction to such crimes does, in fact, more damage than the sex crime itself. Tappan says that in many preliterate societies, some sex offenses are characteristic and expected. He believes society's reaction to the offense does more damage than the offense itself.
The belief that rape is the worst thing to happen to a woman or that it ruins lives wasn't always a mainstream belief among feminists. For example, 1st wave feminists (feminists in the 19th and early 20th centuries) believed that women were resilient NOT vulnerable during sexual violence. Even feminists in the 1960s believed rape is NOT the worst thing that can happen to a woman. A research paper I read but cannot find has confirmed that war trauma is just as severe as if not more severe than rape trauma. The belief among feminists that rape permanently ruins lives didn't become popular among feminists until the early 1970s with the anti-rape movement becoming big back then. Some rape victims, such as Charlotte Shane and Fay Weldon, argued that rape isn't the worst thing to happen to a woman and that we shouldn't let a rapist's actions control the rest of our life. Shane wrote: "Though some feminists regard “rape equals devastation” as sacred fact, the notion that a man can ruin me with his penis strikes me as the most complete expression of vintage misogyny available."
Teenage girls get traumatized by consensual sex with an older guy, but that's clearly because of society's reaction to the age difference, not because of the intrinsic nature of the age difference itself. In eras like Ancient Greece, Ancient Israel, pre-Industrial Revolution era-1800s era China/India/Eastern Europe, early 1900s India, etc., it was common with teen girls under 18 to marry an older guy, but there are NO records of them being traumatized by it back then because it was accepted by society. It's very possible that white women who dated black men in the 1950s claimed to be traumatized by the relationship because of the universal stigma back then. In some primitive societies, a mother fondling her own child sexually isn't considered incest or abusive and is instead considered normal, and the children aren't traumatized by it in those societies, but in societies where that's considered abuse, they are traumatized. This isn't trying to defend or condone these actions, but they aren't intrinsically traumatic. Many of these sex offenses are still bad. For example, a dog won't be traumatized from licking a man's penis and a corpse won't be traumatized by necrophilia, but both are still wrong (I changed my mind about necrophilia actually, that thread was before I changed my mind). The idea that teens are inherently immature and have an inherently immature brain is actually a myth. A man named Robert Epstein (no he isn't related to Jeffrey Epstein) says that teen turmoil isn't caused by the teen brain but that teen turmoil causes the teen brain, and immaturity and turmoil among teenagers is caused by society's infantilization of teenagers. This is definitely true because teen turmoil is NOT found in all societies worldwide. Laws taking away adult responsibilities from teenagers didn't exist until the 19th and 20th centuries. Older teens are finished with puberty and therefore are biologically adults, and this is why infantilizing them makes them act immature and develop psychopathology, because their brains tell them it's time to have adult responsibilities.
The sex offender/pedophile hysteria didn't begin until the end of the 19th century. Before that, it wasn't a topic that society focused a lot on. Phillip Jenkins writes about this in his book Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America. The pedo hysteria began back then because of things like WT Stead's The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon article and movements to raise the age of consent that happened as a result of his article. Also, to all bluepillers who say "but i never healed", look up anecdotal fallacy, and don't say "you haven't experience it so you cannot say anything" because many people experience it differently from others and many people who experience it might look at the glass as half-empty.
Citations
Davis, L. The Courage to Heal: A Guide for Women Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse (20th Anniversary edition). William Morrow, NY, 2008.
Haines, S. Healing Sex: A Mind-Body Approach to Healing Sexual Trauma. Cleis Press, San Francisco, 2007.
E. Fuller-Thomson, A. Lacombe-Duncan, D. Goodman, B. Fallon, & S. Brennenstuhl. From surviving to thriving: factors associated with complete mental health among childhood sexual abuse survivors in Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. DOI 10.1007/s00127-019-01767- http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00127-019-01767-x
Duncan, Tracey Ann (November 19, 2019). "Sexual abuse survivors are not emotionally doomed, per new research". Mic.
Tappan, Paul W. (June 1955). "Some Myths About the Sex Offender". Federal Probation. Administrative Office of the United States Courts: 8.
Castleman, Michael (September 15, 2016). "Childhood Sexual Abuse: Sexual Recovery Is Possible". Psychology Today.
"Majority of childhood sex-abuse survivors achieve complete mental health". EurekAlert. November 19, 2019.
Lindsay, Robert. "Is Sexual Attraction to Female Minors "Normal" Among Males?". Academia.edu.
The study admittedly controls for people with a history of depression or people who had multiple traumas. It's very common for the sexually abused to suffer multiple kinds of abuse. Children who suffer multiple abuse have more negative outcomes. HOWEVER, that was all controlled for because that would suggest that many child sexual abuse victims struggle with healing NOT because of the sexual abuse alone, but because of other kinds of abuse they might have suffered, too. Also, problems like chronic pain, depression, mental illness, substance abuse/dependence, etc. can decrease the odds of recovering from sexual abuse.
"If the survivors had been depressed at any point in their life, the odds of them currently being in complete mental health declined dramatically. This underlines the importance of mental-health interventions for this population. A promising intervention, cognitive behavioral therapy [CBT], has been tested and found effective at reducing post-traumatic stress disorder and depressive and anxiety symptoms among childhood sexual-abuse survivors," said co-author Dr. Ashley Lacombe-Duncan, a recent doctoral graduate from the FIFSW and Assistant Professor of Social Work at the University of Michigan. "Having a confidante was found to be the second-strongest single predictor of complete mental health, increasing the odds of past-year complete mental health nearly sevenfold. Given the importance of family and social-support systems, brief interventions to address trauma post-experience and bolster social and familial support are also called for," suggested Dr. Deborah Goodman, Director, Child Welfare Institute, Children's Aid Society of Toronto. Sexual-abuse survivors who had chronic pain had half the odds of complete mental health compared to those who were free of chronic pain. "It is important that health and social-service professionals help sexual-abuse survivors get the treatment they need to address both their physical health problems, such as chronic pain conditions, in addition to their mental-health concerns," said Dr. Barbara Fallon, Professor at the FIFSW and Canada Research Chair in Child Welfare.
Many bluepillers like to say that rape, child molestation, statutory rape, etc. ruins lives. Here's the thing: when a childhood sexual abuse survivor suffers multiple kinds of abuse such as physical abuse, witnessing domestic violence, etc. or has a history of mental illness or chronic pain, they are less likely to heal, which means that their problems with healing isn't from the sexual abuse alone, but from multiple problems they've suffered. Also, research has shown that when child sexual abuse survivors have depression, they are less likely to heal. Research also confirms that having a confidant and someone who you can trust and talk to and having emotional support from others helps the odds of recovery skyrocket and they are less likely to experience depression, disorders, etc. if they have someone to talk to and emotional support from others. This means that sexual abuse itself doesn't inherently ruin lives. A professor named Paul Tappan wrote that the idea that victims of sex attacks are ruined for life is a myth, and that society's intense reaction to sex offenses actually increases sexual trauma for victims. He wrote that society's reaction to sex offenses and society teaching victims that they cannot heal makes it significantly harder for victims to heal or persevere, and that without this reaction/moral panic from society, victims could heal pretty easily. The Kinsey researchers agreed with him, stating that society's reaction to such crimes does, in fact, more damage than the sex crime itself. Tappan says that in many preliterate societies, some sex offenses are characteristic and expected. He believes society's reaction to the offense does more damage than the offense itself.
The belief that rape is the worst thing to happen to a woman or that it ruins lives wasn't always a mainstream belief among feminists. For example, 1st wave feminists (feminists in the 19th and early 20th centuries) believed that women were resilient NOT vulnerable during sexual violence. Even feminists in the 1960s believed rape is NOT the worst thing that can happen to a woman. A research paper I read but cannot find has confirmed that war trauma is just as severe as if not more severe than rape trauma. The belief among feminists that rape permanently ruins lives didn't become popular among feminists until the early 1970s with the anti-rape movement becoming big back then. Some rape victims, such as Charlotte Shane and Fay Weldon, argued that rape isn't the worst thing to happen to a woman and that we shouldn't let a rapist's actions control the rest of our life. Shane wrote: "Though some feminists regard “rape equals devastation” as sacred fact, the notion that a man can ruin me with his penis strikes me as the most complete expression of vintage misogyny available."
Teenage girls get traumatized by consensual sex with an older guy, but that's clearly because of society's reaction to the age difference, not because of the intrinsic nature of the age difference itself. In eras like Ancient Greece, Ancient Israel, pre-Industrial Revolution era-1800s era China/India/Eastern Europe, early 1900s India, etc., it was common with teen girls under 18 to marry an older guy, but there are NO records of them being traumatized by it back then because it was accepted by society. It's very possible that white women who dated black men in the 1950s claimed to be traumatized by the relationship because of the universal stigma back then. In some primitive societies, a mother fondling her own child sexually isn't considered incest or abusive and is instead considered normal, and the children aren't traumatized by it in those societies, but in societies where that's considered abuse, they are traumatized. This isn't trying to defend or condone these actions, but they aren't intrinsically traumatic. Many of these sex offenses are still bad. For example, a dog won't be traumatized from licking a man's penis and a corpse won't be traumatized by necrophilia, but both are still wrong (I changed my mind about necrophilia actually, that thread was before I changed my mind). The idea that teens are inherently immature and have an inherently immature brain is actually a myth. A man named Robert Epstein (no he isn't related to Jeffrey Epstein) says that teen turmoil isn't caused by the teen brain but that teen turmoil causes the teen brain, and immaturity and turmoil among teenagers is caused by society's infantilization of teenagers. This is definitely true because teen turmoil is NOT found in all societies worldwide. Laws taking away adult responsibilities from teenagers didn't exist until the 19th and 20th centuries. Older teens are finished with puberty and therefore are biologically adults, and this is why infantilizing them makes them act immature and develop psychopathology, because their brains tell them it's time to have adult responsibilities.
The sex offender/pedophile hysteria didn't begin until the end of the 19th century. Before that, it wasn't a topic that society focused a lot on. Phillip Jenkins writes about this in his book Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America. The pedo hysteria began back then because of things like WT Stead's The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon article and movements to raise the age of consent that happened as a result of his article. Also, to all bluepillers who say "but i never healed", look up anecdotal fallacy, and don't say "you haven't experience it so you cannot say anything" because many people experience it differently from others and many people who experience it might look at the glass as half-empty.
Citations
Davis, L. The Courage to Heal: A Guide for Women Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse (20th Anniversary edition). William Morrow, NY, 2008.
Haines, S. Healing Sex: A Mind-Body Approach to Healing Sexual Trauma. Cleis Press, San Francisco, 2007.
E. Fuller-Thomson, A. Lacombe-Duncan, D. Goodman, B. Fallon, & S. Brennenstuhl. From surviving to thriving: factors associated with complete mental health among childhood sexual abuse survivors in Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. DOI 10.1007/s00127-019-01767- http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00127-019-01767-x
Duncan, Tracey Ann (November 19, 2019). "Sexual abuse survivors are not emotionally doomed, per new research". Mic.
Tappan, Paul W. (June 1955). "Some Myths About the Sex Offender". Federal Probation. Administrative Office of the United States Courts: 8.
Castleman, Michael (September 15, 2016). "Childhood Sexual Abuse: Sexual Recovery Is Possible". Psychology Today.
"Majority of childhood sex-abuse survivors achieve complete mental health". EurekAlert. November 19, 2019.
Lindsay, Robert. "Is Sexual Attraction to Female Minors "Normal" Among Males?". Academia.edu.