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JFL When the coping is too strong: 24 stages of the seductive process from Robert Greene's The Art of Seduction

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Phase One: Separation—Stirring Interest and Desire

1 Choose the Right Victim

Everything depends on the target of your seduction. Study your prey thoroughly, and choose only those who will prove susceptible to your charms. The right victims are those for whom you can fill a void, who see in you something exotic. They are often isolated or unhappy, or can easily be made so—for the completely contented person is almost impossible to seduce. The perfect victim has some quality that inspires strong emotions in you, making your seductive maneuvers seem more natural and dynamic. The perfect victim allows for the perfect chase.

2 Create a False Sense of Security—Approach Indirectly

If you are too direct early on, you risk stirring up a resistance that will never be lowered. At first there must be nothing of the seducer in your manner. The seduction should begin at an angle, indirectly, so that the target only gradually becomes aware of you. Haunt the periphery of your target's life—approach through a third party, or seem to cultivate a relatively neutral relationship, moving gradually from friend to lover. Lull the target into feeling secure, then strike.

3 Send Mixed Signals

Once people are aware of your presence, and perhaps vaguely intrigued, you need to stir their interest before it settles on someone else. Most of us are much too obvious—instead, be hard to figure out. Send mixed signals: both tough and tender, both spiritual and earthly, both innocent and cunning. A mix of qualities suggests depth, which fascinates even as it confuses. An elusive, enigmatic aura will make people want to know more, drawing them into your circle. Create such a power by hinting at something contradictory within you.

4 Appear to Be an Object of Desire—Create Triangles

Few are drawn to the person whom others avoid or neglect; people gather around those who have already attracted interest. To draw your victims closer and make them hungry to possess you, you must create an aura of desirability—of being wanted and courted by many. It will become a point of vanity for them to be the preferred object of your attention, to win you away from a crowd of admirers. Build a reputation that precedes you: If many have succumbed to your charms, there must be a reason.

5 Create a Need—Stir Anxiety and Discontent

A perfectly satisfied person cannot be seduced. Tension and disharmony must be instilled in your targets minds. Stir within them feelings of discontent, an unhappiness with their circumstances and with themselves. The feelings of inadequacy that you create will give you space to insinuate yourself, to make them see you as the answer to their problems. Pain and anxiety are the proper precursors to pleasure. Learn to manufacture the need that you can fill.

6 Master the Art of Insinuation

Making your targets feel dissatisfied and in need of your attention is essential, but if you are too obvious, they will see through you and grow defensive. There is no known defense, how- ever, against insinuation—the art of planting ideas in people's minds by dropping elusive hints that take root days later, even appearing to them as their own idea. Create a sublanguage— bold statements followed by retraction and apology, ambiguous comments, banal talk combined with alluring glances—that enters the target's unconscious to convey your real meaning. Make everything suggestive.

7 Enter Their Spirit

Most people are locked in their own worlds, making them stubborn and hard to persuade. The way to lure them out of their shell and set up your seduction is to enter their spirit. Play by their rules, enjoy what they enjoy, adapt yourself to their moods. In doing so you will stroke their deep-rooted narcissism and lower their defenses. Indulge your targets' every mood and whim, giving them nothing to react against or resist.

8 Create Temptation

Lure the target deep into your seduction by creating the proper temptation: a glimpse of the pleasures to come. As the serpent tempted Eve with the promise of forbidden knowledge, you must awaken a desire in your targets that they cannot control. Find that weakness of theirs, that fantasy that has yet to be realized, and hint that you can lead them toward it. The key is to keep it vague. Stimulate a curiosity stronger than the doubts and anxieties that go with it, and they will follow you.

Phase Two: Lead Astray—Creating Pleasure and Confusion

9 Keep Them in Suspense—What Comes Next?

The moment people feel they know what to expect from you, your spell on them is broken. More: You have ceded them power. The only way to lead the seduced along and keep the up- per hand is to create suspense, a calculated surprise. Doing something they do not expect from you will give them a delightful sense of spontaneity—they will not be able to foresee what comes next. You are always one step ahead and in control. Give the victim a thrill with a sudden change of direction.

10 Use the Demonic Power of Words to Sow Confusion

It is hard to make people listen; they are consumed with their own thoughts and desires, and have little timefor yours. The trick to making them listen is to say what they want to hear, to fill their ears with whatever is pleasant to them. This is the essence of seductive language. In- flame people's emotions with loaded phrases, flatter them, comfort their insecurities, envelop them in sweet words and promises, and not only will they listen to you, they will lose their will to resist you.

11 Pay Attention to Detail

Lofty words of love and grand gestures can be suspicious: Why are you trying so hard to please? The details of a seduction—the subtle gestures, the offhand things you do—are often more charming and revealing. You must learn to distract your victims with a myriad of pleasant little rituals—thoughtful gifts tailored just for them, clothes and adornments designed to please them, gestures that show the time and attention you are paying them. Mesmerized by what they see, they will not notice what you are really up to.

12 Poeticize Your Presence

Important things happen when your targets are alone: The slightest feeling of relief that you are not there, and it is all over. Familiarity and overexposure will cause this reaction. Remain elusive, then. Intrigue your targets by alternating an exciting presence with a cool distance, exuberant moments followed by calculated absences. Associate yourself with poetic images and objects, so that when they think of you, they begin to see you through an idealized halo. The more you figure in their minds, the more they will envelop you in seductive fantasies.

13 Disarm Through Strategic Weakness and Vulnerability

Too much maneuvering on your part may raise suspicion. The best way to cover your tracks is to make the other person feel superior and stronger. If you seem to be weak, vulnerable, en- thralled by the other person, and unable to control yourself you will make your actions look more natural, less calculated. Physical weakness—tears, bashfulness, paleness—will help cre- ate the effect. Play the victim, then transform your target's sympathy into love.

14 Confuse Desire and Reality—The Perfect Illusion

To compensate for the difficulties in their lives, people spend a lot of their time daydreaming, imagining a future full of adventure, success, and romance. If you can create the illusion that through you they can live out their dreams, you will have them at your mercy. Aim at secret wishes that have been thwarted or repressed, stirring up uncontrollable emotions, clouding their powers of reason. Lead the seduced to a point of confusion in which they can no longer tell the difference between illusion and reality.

15 Isolate the Victim

An isolated person is weak. By slowly isolating your victims, you make them more vulnerable to your influence. Take them away from their normal milieu, friends, family, home. Give them the sense of being marginalized, in limbo—they are leaving one world behind and entering another. Once isolated like this, they have no outside support, and in their confusion they are easily led astray. Lure the seduced into your lair, where nothing is familiar.

Phase Three: The Precipice—Deepening the Effect Through Extreme Measures

16 Prove Yourself

Most people want to be seduced. If they resist your efforts, it is probably because you ham' not gone far enough to allay their doubts—about your motives, the depth of yourfeelings, and so on. One well-timed action that shows how far you are willing to go to win them over will dis- pel their doubts. Do not worry about looking foolish or making a mistake—any kind of deed that is self-sacrificing and for your targets' sake will so overwhelm their emotions, they won't notice anything else.

17 Effect a Regression

People who have experienced a certain kind of pleasure in the past will try to repeat or relive it. The deepest-rooted and most pleasurable memories are usually those from earliest child- hood, and are often unconsciously associated with a parental figure. Bring your targets back to that point by placing yourself in the oedipal triangle and positioning them as the needy child. Unaware of the cause of their emotional response, they will fall in love with you.

18 Stir Up the Transgressive and Taboo

There are always social limits on what one can do. Some of these, the most elemental taboos, go back centuries; others are more superficial, simply defining polite and acceptable behavior. Making your targets feel that you are leading them past either kind of limit is immensely se- ductive. People yearn to explore their dark side. Once the desire to transgress draws your tar- gets to you, it will be hard for them to stop. Take them farther than they imagined—the shared feeling of guilt and complicity will create a powerful bond.

19 Use Spiritual Lures

Everyone has doubts and insecurities—about their body, their self-worth, their sexuality. If your seduction appeals exclusively to the physical, you will stir up these doubts and make your targets self-conscious. Instead, lure them out of their insecurities by making them focus on something sublime and spiritual: a religious experience, a lofty work of art, the occult. Lost in a spiritual mist, the target will feel light and uninhibited. Deepen the effect of your seduction by making its sexual culmination seem like the spiritual union of two souls.

20 Mix Pleasure with Pain

The greatest mistake in seduction is being too nice. At first, perhaps, your kindness is charm- ing, but it soon grows monotonous; you are trying too hard to please, and seem insecure. In- stead of overwhelming your targets with niceness, try inflicting some pain. Make them feel guilty and insecure. Instigate a breakup—now a rapprochement, a return to your earlier kind- ness, will turn them weak at the knees. The lower the lows you create, the greater the highs. To heighten the erotic charge, create the excitement of fear.

Phase Four: Moving In for the Kill

21 Give Them Space to Fall—The Pursuer Is Pursued

If your targets become too used to you as the aggressor, they will give less of their own energy, and the tension will slacken. You need to wake them up, turn the tables. Once they are under your spell, take a step bach and they will start to come after you. Hint that you are growing bored. Seem interested in someone else. Soon they will want to possess you physically, and re- straint will go out the window. Create the illusion that the seducer is being seduced.

22 Use Physical Lures

Targets with active minds are dangerous: If they see through your manipulations, they may suddenly develop doubts. Put their minds gently to rest, and waken their dormant senses, by combining a nondefensive attitude with a charged sexual presence. While your cool, nonchalant air is lowering their inhibitions, your glances, voice, and bearing—oozing sex and desire—are getting under their skin and raising their temperature. Never force the physical; instead infect your targets with heat, lure them into lust. Morality, judgment, and concern for the future will all melt away.

23 Master the Art of the Bold Move

A moment has arrived: Your victim clearly desires you, but is not ready to admit it openly, let alone act on it. This is the time to throw aside chivalry, kindness, and coquetry and to over- whelm with a bold move. Don't give the victim time to consider the consequences. Showing hesitation or awkwardness means you are thinking of yourself as opposed to being over- whelmed by the victim's charms. One person must go on the offensive, and it is you.

24 Beware the Aftereffects

Danger follows in the aftermath of a successful seduction. After emotions have reached a pitch, they often swing in the opposite direction—toward lassitude, distrust, disappointment. If you are to part, make the sacrifice swift and sudden. If you are to stay in a relationship, beware a flagging of energy, a creeping familiarity that will spoil the fantasy. A second seduction is required. Never let the other person take you for granted—use absence, create pain and conflict, to keep the seduced on tenterhooks.
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Brb gonna seduce some foids and slay. See you later virgins :chad:
 
Step 1: Be good looking
 
the book has some real things that apply to everything good to know to manipulate people
 
I don't remember Chad having to complete 24 steps but ok
 
Manipulating BS of evil. :feelspuke:
 
try all that shit as a subhuman you will go to jail as a rapist even if you didn't touched the foid
 
Meanwhile Chad gets girls in just one step

Step 1 : Be chad
 
yeah but how do you fill multiple books and courses with that? :feelshaha:
You start out with telling the audience how cool you are, how many women you porked and whatever.
 
lol, chad can't even read and these retards are getting psychology degrees just to be rejected.
 
try all that shit as a subhuman you will go to jail as a rapist even if you didn't touched the foid
Based and realitypilled
 
fuck man, I torrented this when I was bluepilled.

Robert Greene's books are marketed to incels tbh
 
fuck man, I torrented this when I was bluepilled.

Robert Greene's books are marketed to incels tbh

I thought "Mastery" was really good.

This is a joke. That said, I'll check it out for intellectual reasons and nothing more.
 
That's some high level bs
 
I need to replay that adios book
 
I wonder how many incel virgins actually adcended thru redpill PUA stuff. Would like data about this
 
Chad does all those things just naturally. While some poor normie is trying to remember 24 complex things in his head and then work that into his conversation and body language.

For example after Chad fucks one girl for awhile, he does get a bit bored.. and since girls are always flirting with Chad and smiling and being so nice to him, he naturally starts flirting with one or more of them, and actually thinks in his mind.. maybe he should go with this girl.

Chads girlfriend senses this or just outright finds out and gets insanely jealous, so she reignites passion with her desire.


For flirting with the girl Chad is naturally relaxed, nonchalant and at other times horny pressing in on her... it just depends on his mood at the moment.

In comparison the normie is in his shoe lifts, knees 100% straight, feet close together for extra height and straining up with his upper body and neck for height so he doesn't get height mogged, and the normie is trying to think if he should go in again to flirt or be more nonchalant, ticking off in his mind the correct number of times.. and knowing if he screws up the girl is out of there.
 
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selling fake hope , if you have to read this book to slay then it's over
chad slays with no instruction ,cuz the instruction are integrated in him naturally
 
Just tried these seduction methods and I’m now slaying, see ya inklers :chad::chad:
 
fuck man, I torrented this when I was bluepilled.

Robert Greene's books are marketed to incels tbh
Bro can you tell us some stories when you got rejected trying these out? Pua shit is 2005-2012 as its peak I think. It's when internet dating was still shady and OLD juggernaut law wasn't full blown and no metoo craziness like aziz azzari theatrics foids so maybe social network dating could have worked.

low level normies and maybe some subhumans with a bit of social capital might have had a chance with 1-2 looks level below (sub six can get sub 4 ethnic foid) during that time if NT and not be beta bux. Especially since 2008 was the crash and everyone was financially reset

I'm 35 now and previously being a fatty incel non-NT NEET hurt me during my 20s. I missed any window of chance. Now even gym maxing doesn't help me and people laugh at my dead end career. I look like an old tryhard loser movie trope.

Can you convince me that I'm wrong that I ever had a chance, and it's better that I didn't try
 
(((Robert Greene)))
 
This is a joke. That said, I'll check it out for intellectual reasons and nothing more.
dont brocel its garbage

some books by this guy are cool, but he's a redpiller so anything by him on dating is garbage
 
Bro can you tell us some stories when you got rejected trying these out? Pua shit is 2005-2012 as its peak I think. It's when internet dating was still shady and OLD juggernaut law wasn't full blown and no metoo craziness like aziz azzari theatrics foids so maybe social network dating could have worked.

low level normies and maybe some subhumans with a bit of social capital might have had a chance with 1-2 looks level below (sub six can get sub 4 ethnic foid) during that time if NT and not be beta bux. Especially since 2008 was the crash and everyone was financially reset

I'm 35 now and previously being a fatty incel non-NT NEET hurt me during my 20s. I missed any window of chance. Now even gym maxing doesn't help me and people laugh at my dead end career. I look like an old tryhard loser movie trope.

Can you convince me that I'm wrong that I ever had a chance, and it's better that I didn't try
You simply try, and then women give you looks of disgust, it's very simple. They would give you looks of disgust whether you approach in a bluepilled or redpilled way. tbh they are more disgusted at a bluepilled approach, because it comes off as more desperate.

When you go about it in a redpilled way, it's clear women can tell something is off about you. Women basically hate it when you don't act like what you look like. They want the world in rigid boxes, and for you to be the stereotype of what you look like so their simple-minded view of the world aligns and all is right.
 
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You simply try, and then women give you looks of disgust, it's very simple. They would give you looks of disgust whether you approach in a bluepilled or redpilled way. tbh they are more disgusted at a bluepilled approach, because it comes off as more desperate.

When you go about it in a redpilled way, it's clear women can tell something is off about you. Women basically hate it when you don't act like what you look like. They want the world in rigid boxes, and for you to be the stereotype of what you look like so their simple-minded view of the world aligns and all is right.
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You simply try, and then women give you looks of disgust, it's very simple. They would give you looks of disgust whether you approach in a bluepilled or redpilled way. tbh they are more disgusted at a bluepilled approach, because it comes off as more desperate.

When you go about it in a redpilled way, it's clear women can tell something is off about you. Women basically hate it when you don't act like what you look like. They want the world in rigid boxes, and for you to be the stereotype of what you look like so their simple-minded view of the world aligns and all is right.
Damn. That's insightful.
You think if you did looks surgery you can pull foids with that boost in looks even without doing PUA?
 
Damn. That's insightful.
You think if you did looks surgery you can pull foids with that boost in looks even without doing PUA?
of course

pua is just a cope. if you have looksmaxxing surgery you'll automatically have a better personality, there's a reason we call it personality surgery :feelsEhh:
 
The gap between the mental gymnastics of the seduction community to convince them that foids want something other than Chad and simply accepting the blackpill are massive
 
Damn. That's insightful.
You think if you did looks surgery you can pull foids with that boost in looks even without doing PUA?
surgery cannot do much for me, most of my problems are being a framelet. It's hard to find a surgeon willing to straight up change your race too
 
1. Be good looking
 
This just sounds like non sense written by a psychopath who happens to be retarded.
 
Meanwhile Chad just farts and foids will be all over him.
 
Meanwhile Chad just farts and foids will be all over him.
there was even a reddit post about some guy who wouldn't wipe his ass after shitting, and would pick his ass and leave crumbs of shit around the house and in bed, and the foid still didnt break up with him

meanwhile we dont even get a chance of a date
 

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