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Serious Why Doesn't Evolution Get Rid of Ugly People?

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Why isn't everyone beautiful, smart and healthy? Or, in a less-polite formulation, why haven't ugly, stupid, unhealthy people been bred out of the population—ugly people because no one will have them as mates, meaning they don't get the chance to pass their ugliness to the next generation; stupid people because they're outgunned in the race to financial success (that is, acquiring resources needed to survive and reproduce); unhealthy people because they die before they get a chance to reproduce?

Evolutionary theory predicts that the unfeeling hand of natural selection would lead to a culling of disadvantageous traits—or, as biologists more delicately phrase it, "depletion of genetic variation in natural populations as a result of the effects of selection."

But look around, and you'll see that that has not happened—not in people, and not in wild animals where homely and infirm offspring are born all the time.

Evolutionary geneticists try to explain this paradox by positing that mutations for disadvantageous traits keep popping up no matter how hard natural selection attempts to wipe them out, but in their more honest moments the scientists admit that in real life undesirable traits are way more common than this mechanism would account for; "ugly" mutations just don't occur that often. In a groundbreaking study, biologists at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland have figured out why, at least in one species: genes that are good for males are bad for females and, perhaps, vice versa.

The scientists studied red deer, 3,559 of them from eight generations, living on Scotland's Isle of Rum. They carefully noted each animal's fitness, who mated with whom, how many offspring survived, which offspring mated and with what results. Bottom line: "male red deer with relatively high fitness fathered, on average, daughters with relatively low fitness," Edinburgh's Katharina Foerster and her colleagues conclude in tomorrow's issue of the journal Nature. "Male red deer with a relatively high lifetime [fitness, which includes their reproductive success, the only thing evolution cares about] sired, on average, daughters with a relatively low [fitness]." The reverse also holds. Males that were relatively less successful in their reproductive success and fitness had daughters that were extra successful.

The reason is that any particular gene-based trait may have very different effects on males than in females. Extrapolating to humans (and oversimplifying, sorry) you might imagine that a particular shape of the nose or turn of the chin would look drop-dead hunky on a male, but horsey on a woman; dad got to mate because his looks attracted a female, but the result of their togetherness produced daughters whose pulchritude was less than obvious. Traits that evolutionary psychologists tell us make women unfit for mating (having the "wrong" shape) remain abundant in the human race because the DNA for the traits, when inherited by sons, confers a selective advantage; when those sons have daughters, presto—more females with less-than-hourglass shapes. Or as the Edinburgh biologists put it, "optimal genotypes differ between male and female red deer, because a genotype that produces a male phenotype with relatively high fitness will, on average, produce a phenotype with lower fitness when expressed in a female."


This discovery reminds me of other seminal studies that contribute to our understanding of why "bad" genes persist. The best know is the gene for sickle-cell disease, which is prevalent through the Mediterranean region and much of Africa. Why wouldn't natural selection get rid of it? Because, it turns out, carrying one copy of the gene increases your resistance to malaria (this is explained well here), which is prevalent—surprise!—in the exact same regions.

Much of the theorizing about fitness in human biology has been undermined by empirical studies (see, for instance, "Adapting Minds" by David Buller). The study of red deer provides one more cautionary tale for those who would be tempted to weed out "undesirable" traits in the human population. On a less lofty note, it should make us think twice before we reject as a mate someone who does not conform to the "fitness" stereotype promulgated by evolutionary psychologists (such as a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.7 for women, and alpha-male behavior for men). You may think, subconsciously, that you're choosing someone who will transmit "good genes" to your kids, but just ask yourself how that perky little nose will look on your son or those rippling pecs on your daughter.
 
EZ: Ugly normies keep fucking
 
Ugly women are allowed to reproduce, that's the problem
 
Evolution is not true
 
Because God hates us all
 
Ugly women are allowed to reproduce, that's the problem
Basically this.

But if no sub-6 person (male or female) was allowed to reproduce from this point on, the hiearchy of looks would remain the same. Future people would still fall on a scale of looks (maybe not a 1-10 scale, but a 1-5, but it's irrelevant).

It means that only the very best of today's 10/10 would be considered perfect in the future. Today's Chadlites would turn into normies, the few surviving high-tier normies would turn into incels. Hypergamy would not change at all.
 
In the past we didn't had SOYciety with cucked laws if you are ugly but strong you would still reproduce and in modern days even foids with genetic defects are praised and do reproduce
 
ugly foids keep fucking

Ugly women are allowed to reproduce, that's the problem

Basically this.

But if no sub-6 person (male or female) was allowed to reproduce from this point on, the hiearchy of looks would remain the same. Future people would still fall on a scale of looks (maybe not a 1-10 scale, but a 1-5, but it's irrelevant).

It means that only the very best of today's 10/10 would be considered perfect in the future. Today's Chadlites would turn into normies, the few surviving high-tier normies would turn into incels. Hypergamy would not change at all.

In the past we didn't had SOYciety with cucked laws if you are ugly but strong you would still reproduce and in modern days even foids with genetic defects are praised and do reproduce

you all low iq or didnt read lol.
the theory says that genes that make foids beautiful (like femininity) make men ugly so thats why it balances out
 

Why isn't everyone beautiful, smart and healthy? Or, in a less-polite formulation, why haven't ugly, stupid, unhealthy people been bred out of the population—ugly people because no one will have them as mates, meaning they don't get the chance to pass their ugliness to the next generation; stupid people because they're outgunned in the race to financial success (that is, acquiring resources needed to survive and reproduce); unhealthy people because they die before they get a chance to reproduce?

Evolutionary theory predicts that the unfeeling hand of natural selection would lead to a culling of disadvantageous traits—or, as biologists more delicately phrase it, "depletion of genetic variation in natural populations as a result of the effects of selection."

But look around, and you'll see that that has not happened—not in people, and not in wild animals where homely and infirm offspring are born all the time.

Evolutionary geneticists try to explain this paradox by positing that mutations for disadvantageous traits keep popping up no matter how hard natural selection attempts to wipe them out, but in their more honest moments the scientists admit that in real life undesirable traits are way more common than this mechanism would account for; "ugly" mutations just don't occur that often. In a groundbreaking study, biologists at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland have figured out why, at least in one species: genes that are good for males are bad for females and, perhaps, vice versa.

The scientists studied red deer, 3,559 of them from eight generations, living on Scotland's Isle of Rum. They carefully noted each animal's fitness, who mated with whom, how many offspring survived, which offspring mated and with what results. Bottom line: "male red deer with relatively high fitness fathered, on average, daughters with relatively low fitness," Edinburgh's Katharina Foerster and her colleagues conclude in tomorrow's issue of the journal Nature. "Male red deer with a relatively high lifetime [fitness, which includes their reproductive success, the only thing evolution cares about] sired, on average, daughters with a relatively low [fitness]." The reverse also holds. Males that were relatively less successful in their reproductive success and fitness had daughters that were extra successful.

The reason is that any particular gene-based trait may have very different effects on males than in females. Extrapolating to humans (and oversimplifying, sorry) you might imagine that a particular shape of the nose or turn of the chin would look drop-dead hunky on a male, but horsey on a woman; dad got to mate because his looks attracted a female, but the result of their togetherness produced daughters whose pulchritude was less than obvious. Traits that evolutionary psychologists tell us make women unfit for mating (having the "wrong" shape) remain abundant in the human race because the DNA for the traits, when inherited by sons, confers a selective advantage; when those sons have daughters, presto—more females with less-than-hourglass shapes. Or as the Edinburgh biologists put it, "optimal genotypes differ between male and female red deer, because a genotype that produces a male phenotype with relatively high fitness will, on average, produce a phenotype with lower fitness when expressed in a female."


This discovery reminds me of other seminal studies that contribute to our understanding of why "bad" genes persist. The best know is the gene for sickle-cell disease, which is prevalent through the Mediterranean region and much of Africa. Why wouldn't natural selection get rid of it? Because, it turns out, carrying one copy of the gene increases your resistance to malaria (this is explained well here), which is prevalent—surprise!—in the exact same regions.

Much of the theorizing about fitness in human biology has been undermined by empirical studies (see, for instance, "Adapting Minds" by David Buller). The study of red deer provides one more cautionary tale for those who would be tempted to weed out "undesirable" traits in the human population. On a less lofty note, it should make us think twice before we reject as a mate someone who does not conform to the "fitness" stereotype promulgated by evolutionary psychologists (such as a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.7 for women, and alpha-male behavior for men). You may think, subconsciously, that you're choosing someone who will transmit "good genes" to your kids, but just ask yourself how that perky little nose will look on your son or those rippling pecs on your daughter.
It does, just that there's one generation lag in getting rid of us (instead of mercifully in the womb.)
 
Ugly foids keep reproducing, besides i think ugly males were more likely to reproduce in the past, since a lot of guys died in wars, famine, etc, so foids ended up with whatever dude that survived ugly or not.
 
The same logic could be used against the dichotomy between, poor and rich.
For the rich to exist, there has to be a majority of slaves.

Now, you can use the same principle in eugenics.
 
'Ugly people' (or just normal looking people) tend to have children together historically creating a genetic underclass, that's us.
 
Because evolution is just a theory and doesn't exist.
 
Because evolution is just a theory and doesn't exist.

Gravity is a theory as well, theory means it's 100% factually true and indisputable. Hypothesis means it's just an idea of some kind that may or may not be true.
 
Gravity is a theory as well, theory means it's 100% factually true and indisputable. Hypothesis means it's just an idea of some kind that may or may not be true.

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Because tribes only care about physical strength and IQ. Besides 2021.
 
Because men over 40 have kids
 

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