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A big reason why men don't wanna get married in the west is because of the divorce raping that happens a lot. My question is, what if your wife signs a prenup, then she can't divorce rape you as harsh. Specifically a foreign wife. Let's say you moneymaxx and find some poor slavic girl (sorry slavcels) and then she's willing to marry you. Western women might not sign the prenup because they have so many options, but foreign women? They might see it as the best option compared to their poor ass situation. Think this idea has potential?

I probably won't get married anyway but this just came to mind.
 
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i'd say so. you shouldn't get married without a prenuptial agreement in the current year and beyond.
 
A lot of prenups are thrown out. All she has to say is you made her sign it under duress or she didn’t understand it fully because of language barrier and a lot of times the judge (usually a female judge) will just throw it out and let her divorce rape you.
 
A lot of prenups are thrown out. All she has to say is you made her sign it under duress or she didn’t understand it fully because of language barrier and a lot of times the judge (usually a female judge) will just throw it out and let her divorce rape you.

holy fuck that's terrible, why the fuck is that allowed?
 
Whatever it takes :feelzez:

wouldn’t do it though sounds risky
 
holy fuck that's terrible, why the fuck is that allowed?

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She will always get something from you, no matter how hard you try. She can fuck another dude, take your kids and still get child support, bare minimum. Marriage is a scam in 2020. Women get the kids 97% of the time.
 

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She will always get something from you, no matter how hard you try. She can fuck another dude, take your kids and still get child support, bare minimum. Marriage is a scam in 2020. Women get the kids 97% of the time.

Word. I guess I'll just avoid marriage for sure then. I already was content with not getting married so I guess this seals the deal.
 

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She will always get something from you, no matter how hard you try. She can fuck another dude, take your kids and still get child support, bare minimum. Marriage is a scam in 2020. Women get the kids 97% of the time.
This can’t be real. Foids are above the law it seems...
 
what if your wife signs a prenup,
then she can't divorce rape you as harsh
It won't help, she can just concoct some BS story that you made her sign it under duress and it will be non-binding.

Marriage isn't any guarantee of fidelity anyway, and it can really only exert some influence if you retain 100% control of all assets whether or not you divorce, so her survival depends upon maintaining your trust.
 
Prenups don't mean anything for a man. But dating foreign is definitely a better idea than dating a American women.
 
This can’t be real. Foids are above the law it seems...
Of course they are above the law. They do the same crimes as men and get far shorter prison sentences. They can have consensual sex with you, then change their mind the next day and unless you have hard evidence to prove she consented, you’re going to jail for rape.

Women are the ruling class of the West.
Word. I guess I'll just avoid marriage for sure then. I already was content with not getting married so I guess this seals the deal.
Just save up money or get real estate and someone you can trust to maintain it and lease it. Once you get that, move to the foreign country that has much better marriage laws for men (probably not Slavland) and marry her in that country and live. Then have your passive income coming in through your rental properties.

Easier said than done, but I know several boomer aged men that are doing this right now. They are fucking Asians left and right in the Philippines while having thousands of dollars coming into their bank accounts. The average income there is $300 a month, so how do you think they treat a white guy with thousands?
 
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Prenups are not legally binding, might as well have her pinky promise you that she wont divorce rape you
 
Why would you want a wife in 2020 esp as a normie or below jfl.
 
A big reason why men don't wanna get married in the west is because of the divorce raping that happens a lot. My question is, what if your wife signs a prenup, then she can't divorce rape you as harsh. Specifically a foreign wife. Let's say you moneymaxx and find some poor slavic girl (sorry slavcels) and then she's willing to marry you. Western women might not sign the prenup because they have so many options, but foreign women? They might see it as the best option compared to their poor ass situation. Think this idea has potential?

I probably won't get married anyway but this just came to mind.
High iq theory... needs to be tested
 
>prenups
I fucking wished, my shitty country does not allow prenups and 99.6% of the time the foid wins, no wonder our country is 80% single.
 
She will always get something from you, no matter how hard you try. She can fuck another dude, take your kids and still get child support, bare minimum. Marriage is a scam in 2020. Women get the kids 97% of the time.
 
It won't work. The prenup cannot be what is considered unconscionable. For example, say you make 125k a year and your foreign wife makes 20k a year, you can't cut her out simply because she signed it. She doesn't even have to sign it under duress, it just has to be unconscionable. What most people don't understand is that the divorce laws of your state still prevail despite a prenup. As my lawyer explained, I couldn't have a provision of no alimony, and cut her out of the house despite the fact that I purchased it before meeting her and that she hadn't paid a dime to the mortgage. She'd still be entitled to any payments towards the house and appreciation during the years of marriage. So a proper prenup would maybe let you keep the house if you setup and funded a side account for her that more or less equaled the payments and appreciation of your property during marriage.

I had and appointment with a lawyer and paid $200 per hour to discuss the very scenario you're asking about. I was seriously considering trying to bring someone over here as I don't think there's any other option for me. After learning that a prenup wouldn't help me due to the income inequality I went ahead and dropped the plan all together. You're just setting yourself up to be divorce raped like no other if you're middle class or above and bring a foreign bride with nothing over here.
 
It won't work. The prenup cannot be what is considered unconscionable. For example, say you make 125k a year and your foreign wife makes 20k a year, you can't cut her out simply because she signed it. She doesn't even have to sign it under duress, it just has to be unconscionable. What most people don't understand is that the divorce laws of your state still prevail despite a prenup. As my lawyer explained, I couldn't have a provision of no alimony, and cut her out of the house despite the fact that I purchased it before meeting her and that she hadn't paid a dime to the mortgage. She'd still be entitled to any payments towards the house and appreciation during the years of marriage. So a proper prenup would maybe let you keep the house if you setup and funded a side account for her that more or less equaled the payments and appreciation of your property during marriage.

I had and appointment with a lawyer and paid $200 per hour to discuss the very scenario you're asking about. I was seriously considering trying to bring someone over here as I don't think there's any other option for me. After learning that a prenup wouldn't help me due to the income inequality I went ahead and dropped the plan all together. You're just setting yourself up to be divorce raped like no other if you're middle class or above and bring a foreign bride with nothing over here.

I wish more people were aware of this, then the fucking legal system might get changed.
 
I wish more people were aware of this, then the fucking legal system might get changed.

Yup, after marriage they're pretty much entitled to half of everything accumulating/earned during the marriage if they really want to fight for it. I suppose you could luck out where you got one that was stupid or didn't want to fight for it and just accepted the prenup she signed. I had an acquaintance whose first wife took off and didn't take a dime because she was 100% after the green card. He didn't have a lot, but she likely could still gotten 20-30k out of him if she'd wanted to. Guess that'd be the best scenario to hope for.
 
It won't work. The prenup cannot be what is considered unconscionable. For example, say you make 125k a year and your foreign wife makes 20k a year, you can't cut her out simply because she signed it. She doesn't even have to sign it under duress, it just has to be unconscionable. What most people don't understand is that the divorce laws of your state still prevail despite a prenup. As my lawyer explained, I couldn't have a provision of no alimony, and cut her out of the house despite the fact that I purchased it before meeting her and that she hadn't paid a dime to the mortgage. She'd still be entitled to any payments towards the house and appreciation during the years of marriage. So a proper prenup would maybe let you keep the house if you setup and funded a side account for her that more or less equaled the payments and appreciation of your property during marriage.

I had and appointment with a lawyer and paid $200 per hour to discuss the very scenario you're asking about. I was seriously considering trying to bring someone over here as I don't think there's any other option for me. After learning that a prenup wouldn't help me due to the income inequality I went ahead and dropped the plan all together. You're just setting yourself up to be divorce raped like no other if you're middle class or above and bring a foreign bride with nothing over here.
Thanks for the info dump. I knew this was the case but I didn’t know the exact details. My state refuses to pursue women for child support if the man gets the child. I had a male coworker that had the court order his wife to pay child support but she failed to pay. Later on at another hearing they dismissed it and when the judge was asked why a warrant wasn’t issued for her, he answered “We don’t do things to mothers like that in this state, sir”.

Yes, a cucked judge basically makes up the laws as he goes.
 
Thanks for the info dump. I knew this was the case but I didn’t know the exact details. My state refuses to pursue women for child support if the man gets the child. I had a male coworker that had the court order his wife to pay child support but she failed to pay. Later on at another hearing they dismissed it and when the judge was asked why a warrant wasn’t issued for her, he answered “We don’t do things to mothers like that in this state, sir”.

Yes, a cucked judge basically makes up the laws as he goes.


Yeah it's a fucking scam for sure. This world is setup to favor women at every turn even though they deny it. You'd think in the court of law things would at least be equal, but nope, it's setup to completely fuck men over even when the man is the one not receiving court ordered child support.
 
Yeah it's a fucking scam for sure. This world is setup to favor women at every turn even though they deny it. You'd think in the court of law things would at least be equal, but nope, it's setup to completely fuck men over even when the man is the one not receiving court ordered child support.

At least I have the internet to inform me not to go down this horrible road.
 
A lot of prenups are thrown out. All she has to say is you made her sign it under duress or she didn’t understand it fully because of language barrier and a lot of times the judge (usually a female judge) will just throw it out and let her divorce rape you.

Exactly this right here.

Prenups mean fuck all in court. They're not an airtight legal document.
 
They have some weight in the U.S.A if they are balanced enough. But in the UK they are worth less than toilet paper, because toilet paper is able to at least perform its function of wiping your ass. A prenup can't even do that because the paper would chafe and cut you horribly.
 
holy fuck that's terrible, why the fuck is that allowed?
The ruling power priviliges dark triad behaviour in women in order to cripple the somewhat clever masses and stay in control.
 
A lot of prenups are thrown out. All she has to say is you made her sign it under duress or she didn’t understand it fully because of language barrier and a lot of times the judge (usually a female judge) will just throw it out and let her divorce rape you.
 
Why would that be a win? If you want to pay for sex you can get an escort, a mail-order bride is paying for sex, you're paying for her accommodation and wellbeing and supporting her getting citizenship, and most probably after she gets what she wants out of you she divorces your ass, gets alimony anyway (because no court will see you favorably, you slavic girl predator you), marries slavic Chad and proceeds to pump out slavic children to take over your country, you fucking traitor. Oh and before that all happens you get to have some cold, distant and abused psycho screaming at you in Latvian because you went out for a beer. Yes, much win, wow!
 
Let's say you moneymaxx and find some poor slavic girl (sorry slavcels) and then she's willing to marry you.

Yeah, but I don't want to racemix. Less confident my son would make it if he's half-slav.
 
Abort if male...
Hell no.

I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone that if I even had to think about that.

Abortion is also evil and degenerate and it plays into this artificial role we've given women in mate selection functioning as a eugenicist solely choosing based on cosmetic value.
 
Hell no.

I wouldn't get in a relationship with someone that if I even had to think about that.

Abortion is also evil and degenerate and it plays into this artificial role we've given women in mate selection functioning as a eugenicist solely choosing based on cosmetic value.
A male slav would be an incel. Could you live with that?
 
A male slav would be an incel. Could you live with that?
That's why I said I would be cautious about it. Maybe half-slavs look better because they typically have masculine features it's just something completely fucks up their looks.

I think just having a loving and strong relationship with your family is enough. I don't think I would be near as unhappy if I had that despite being incel.
 
There are ways to do it right. Explain the foid that men have no rights in the West and that you together will follow a plan.
1. Bring her to USA.
2. She must start working.
3. She is getting her permanent green card.
4. You divorce her "on papers" and continue to live together in a non common law state.
5. After 2 years you buy a house by yourself.
But this can work only with a foid that cares for you and not the money, so it's a fantasy.
 
There is one important thing you didn’t mention when it comes to bringing a foreign non status woman to the states - you have to fill in a form to petition to become her sponsor meaning take financial responsibility in case she has financial issues, read the following:


Understand What Your Prenuptial Contract Can and Cannot Accomplish

If your new spouse does not intend to work in the United States, you may need to sign an Affidavit of Support. This contract requires you to maintain a standard of living for your new spouse exceeding 125 percent of the poverty level (that’s $1342 a month currently). You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen, permanently departs the country, or is credited with forty quarters of coverage via the Social Security Act (that’s 10 years of working and getting paid). Your prenuptial contract does not automatically absolve you of this support. In a notable 2014 case, the United States District Court for the District of Maryland indicated that prenuptial contracts could not waive Affidavits of Support. As far as the affidavit of support for immigration purposes, you cannot alter this obligation with your prenup. Your prenup can only impact how California state law will apply to your divorce. The affidavit of support is a federal law that cannot be avoided with a prenup. So, while a prenup can help you avoid paying spousal support in a divorce, it cannot get you out of the requirements for the affidavit of support. However, the affidavit of support has different support requirements and you should ask your immigration lawyer exactly how much "support" you will need to provide in the event of divorce.

"You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen" - in that case spouse may get the green card after few years, divorce you and then intentionally does not obtain citizenship as long as the other side pays.

On top of that, prenup can be limited to say if she waived her right to get supposal support (more: that’s mutually exclusive from Affidavit of Support mentioned above) from you, in some states the court can still over override that, read this:

Q: My spouse signed a prenuptial agreement in which she waived spousal support. Will the court still require me to pay spousal support?

A: It depends. In California, the Uniform Premarital Agreement Act governs prenuptial agreements. The law does allow a spouse to waive her right to spousal support in a number of cases, but in general the court must find that the provision isn’t unconscionable. How does the court define an unconscionable agreement? It will look at various factors, such as the disparity of wealth between the parties, the separate property of the spouses, and the earning potential of the spouses. In situations where one spouse has waived her right to support but would be left nearly destitute without spousal support, a court may refuse to enforce the provision.

In addition, some courts may not enforce prenuptial agreement terms that waive spousal support in cases where the receiving spouse didn’t understand that she was signing away her ability to seek support. For example, if the receiving spouse signed the prenuptial agreement without consulting with an attorney and didn’t understand that she’d be left without spousal support in the event of divorce, a court may not enforce that provision.

So in conclusion, I’m not sure if that’s a win win situation, it’s probably better to get a prenup with a local woman who already has a status and that you don’t need to sponsor her. And better that she has a career/job too so the court won’t override her waiver of supposal support in the prenup.

But guess what’s the problem with getting that category of women when it comes to incels?? :)
 
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Better yet, hide your money in the caymans. When you marry, rent so she can't steal the house.
 
A big reason why men don't wanna get married in the west is because of the divorce raping that happens a lot. My question is, what if your wife signs a prenup, then she can't divorce rape you as harsh. Specifically a foreign wife. Let's say you moneymaxx and find some poor slavic girl (sorry slavcels) and then she's willing to marry you. Western women might not sign the prenup because they have so many options, but foreign women? They might see it as the best option compared to their poor ass situation. Think this idea has potential?

I probably won't get married anyway but this just came to mind.
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Im a dance on your grave
 
There is one important thing you didn’t mention when it comes to bringing a foreign non status woman to the states - you have to fill in a form to petition to become her sponsor meaning take financial responsibility in case she has financial issues, read the following:


Understand What Your Prenuptial Contract Can and Cannot Accomplish

If your new spouse does not intend to work in the United States, you may need to sign an Affidavit of Support. This contract requires you to maintain a standard of living for your new spouse exceeding 125 percent of the poverty level (that’s $1342 a month currently). You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen, permanently departs the country, or is credited with forty quarters of coverage via the Social Security Act (that’s 10 years of working and getting paid). Your prenuptial contract does not automatically absolve you of this support. In a notable 2014 case, the United States District Court for the District of Maryland indicated that prenuptial contracts could not waive Affidavits of Support. As far as the affidavit of support for immigration purposes, you cannot alter this obligation with your prenup. Your prenup can only impact how California state law will apply to your divorce. The affidavit of support is a federal law that cannot be avoided with a prenup. So, while a prenup can help you avoid paying spousal support in a divorce, it cannot get you out of the requirements for the affidavit of support. However, the affidavit of support has different support requirements and you should ask your immigration lawyer exactly how much "support" you will need to provide in the event of divorce.

"You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen" - in that case spouse may get the green card after few years, divorce you and then intentionally does not obtain citizenship as long as the other side pays.

On top of that, prenup can be limited to say if she waived her right to get supposal support (more: that’s mutually exclusive from Affidavit of Support mentioned above) from you, in some states the court can still over override that, read this:

Q: My spouse signed a prenuptial agreement in which she waived spousal support. Will the court still require me to pay spousal support?

A: It depends. In California, the Uniform Premarital Agreement Act governs prenuptial agreements. The law does allow a spouse to waive her right to spousal support in a number of cases, but in general the court must find that the provision isn’t unconscionable. How does the court define an unconscionable agreement? It will look at various factors, such as the disparity of wealth between the parties, the separate property of the spouses, and the earning potential of the spouses. In situations where one spouse has waived her right to support but would be left nearly destitute without spousal support, a court may refuse to enforce the provision.

In addition, some courts may not enforce prenuptial agreement terms that waive spousal support in cases where the receiving spouse didn’t understand that she was signing away her ability to seek support. For example, if the receiving spouse signed the prenuptial agreement without consulting with an attorney and didn’t understand that she’d be left without spousal support in the event of divorce, a court may not enforce that provision.

So in conclusion, I’m not sure if that’s a win win situation, it’s probably better to get a prenup with a local woman who already has a status and that you don’t need to sponsor her. And better that she has a career/job too so the court won’t override her waiver of supposal support in the prenup.

But guess what’s the problem with getting that category of women when it comes to incels?? :)
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There is one important thing you didn’t mention when it comes to bringing a foreign non status woman to the states - you have to fill in a form to petition to become her sponsor meaning take financial responsibility in case she has financial issues, read the following:


Understand What Your Prenuptial Contract Can and Cannot Accomplish

If your new spouse does not intend to work in the United States, you may need to sign an Affidavit of Support. This contract requires you to maintain a standard of living for your new spouse exceeding 125 percent of the poverty level (that’s $1342 a month currently). You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen, permanently departs the country, or is credited with forty quarters of coverage via the Social Security Act (that’s 10 years of working and getting paid). Your prenuptial contract does not automatically absolve you of this support. In a notable 2014 case, the United States District Court for the District of Maryland indicated that prenuptial contracts could not waive Affidavits of Support. As far as the affidavit of support for immigration purposes, you cannot alter this obligation with your prenup. Your prenup can only impact how California state law will apply to your divorce. The affidavit of support is a federal law that cannot be avoided with a prenup. So, while a prenup can help you avoid paying spousal support in a divorce, it cannot get you out of the requirements for the affidavit of support. However, the affidavit of support has different support requirements and you should ask your immigration lawyer exactly how much "support" you will need to provide in the event of divorce.

"You are not released from this obligation until your spouse becomes a United States citizen" - in that case spouse may get the green card after few years, divorce you and then intentionally does not obtain citizenship as long as the other side pays.

On top of that, prenup can be limited to say if she waived her right to get supposal support (more: that’s mutually exclusive from Affidavit of Support mentioned above) from you, in some states the court can still over override that, read this:

Q: My spouse signed a prenuptial agreement in which she waived spousal support. Will the court still require me to pay spousal support?

A: It depends. In California, the Uniform Premarital Agreement Act governs prenuptial agreements. The law does allow a spouse to waive her right to spousal support in a number of cases, but in general the court must find that the provision isn’t unconscionable. How does the court define an unconscionable agreement? It will look at various factors, such as the disparity of wealth between the parties, the separate property of the spouses, and the earning potential of the spouses. In situations where one spouse has waived her right to support but would be left nearly destitute without spousal support, a court may refuse to enforce the provision.

In addition, some courts may not enforce prenuptial agreement terms that waive spousal support in cases where the receiving spouse didn’t understand that she was signing away her ability to seek support. For example, if the receiving spouse signed the prenuptial agreement without consulting with an attorney and didn’t understand that she’d be left without spousal support in the event of divorce, a court may not enforce that provision.

So in conclusion, I’m not sure if that’s a win win situation, it’s probably better to get a prenup with a local woman who already has a status and that you don’t need to sponsor her. And better that she has a career/job too so the court won’t override her waiver of supposal support in the prenup.

But guess what’s the problem with getting that category of women when it comes to incels?? :)

oldcel75 replied to this:

“Thanks. You are right about the i-864. After reading some stuff about it, I cannot understand how a person (man or a woman) in their right mind will marry a foreigner and sign this paper. I think that only a deposit of 200-300k will cover the potential damage, but which young slav female has this kind of money”
 
Also don't forget that in some gigacucked states divorce is not the worst thing that could happen to you - she can simply file for a restraining order and claim abuse on your side, and when she gets before a sympathetic judge (ideally a liberal foid judge), she may have some insanely good court order conditions - she may "evict" your sad ass from your own house (even if you fully own it and her name is not even on papers! Yes!!), make you keep paying mortgage or rent on it and emergency support to her and God forbid to your offspring; you may end up in jail over false accusations, you may lose your rights (e.g. gun rights) after a completely bogus statement on her part. And if that's not enough, there are whole organizations in the US that specialize exclusively in making these things happen - they operate under an umbrella of "Domestic Violence Centers", "Victims' Resource Centers" and similar liberal bs, but their only purpose is to empower foids, break nuclear families and generate shekels for their kike lawyers, landlords, shrinks and all the affiliated mafia in the process. Obviously, it doesn't matter what you wrote in your prenup, because now you are an abuser, so who the fuck will believe any word you say?

And if you still believe this cannot happen to you as you will love your foid and cherish every moment with her, think again or - better yet - read some research about restraining orders legal practice in the most cucked states. Most importantly for you to understand are two things:
1) The majority of states do not even require the act of abuse (be it physical, emotional, financial etc.) to even happen!!! Yes, you read it correctly! The only thing that matters (and that the foid will need to prove to the judge) is that she had a reasonable fear that the abuse may happen. Read the last sentence again to fully appreciate it. You jokingly yelled at your kween about an expensive dress she bought at Macy's and her friend was nearby and heard the whole conversation? Congratulations, you are fucked. Now she has a reasonable fear you may continue emotional and financial abuse against her, so she will petition the judge to issue a restraining order with all those financial provisions above. Her friend will corroborate that you yelled at her and you are now toast.
2) The standard of proof in most restraining order / abuse cases is different than in felony / misdemeanor cases in most states. When you are accused of committing a felony, prosecution should establish beyond a reasonable doubt that you actually did what they allege. Quantifying it, we are basically talking about 90/10 proof of their position.
Abuse cases are different. In most states they only require a "preponderance of evidence" to prove a point, i.e. 51/49 proof. In her word vs. your word be sure which side the judge will lean to.

P.S. IANAL, but all this info is pretty much public knowledge
 

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