Abolishing the welfare state+completely decriminalizing prostitution would greatly help incels and lead to a far more even playing field

[Deleted member 31092]

Let's say we take the size and scope of government back to what it was in the year 1905, and we completely decriminalized prostitution and whore houses (for all parties involved, not the BS "scandinavian model" where it's only decriminalized for the whore and not the man), I think that would benefit 'incels,' and men as a whole in fact, immensely. I would go so far as to say that 'inceldom' would barely even exist in these conditions. However, barring a complete economic collapse, this will never happen, unfortunately. Due to extreme female hypergamy due to no longer having to (directly) rely on a man for provision, and utterly cucked prostitution laws, the only options we have as incels are to either become coomers or monks.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

It would not benefit women because marriage rates would drastically drop, and women wouldn't be able to parasite off of someone else.

 

[proudweeb]

but muh neat buxxxx

 

[TheInklingofAnIncel]

It wouldn't help incels, because legal prostitution would encourage more foids to be low class thots who become better at manipulating men. We need a huge change in culture and how people think. Men, especially alphas and Chads, need to have more restraint and fuck less. Women need to relearn that their purpose really is to be a support class, support her husband, family and raise children in a stable household. That is a noble purpose for women but the fucking media and social pressures keep telling women to become foids and just party and fuck Chads all day. The nuclear family principal was perfect. It encouraged less fucking and promiscuous sex, and more of a partnership between the two sexes. A partnership to create a stable household so that the next generation wouldn't be as lost and purposeless like ours. Fuck the hippies and beatniks who had to kill the nuclear family, saying that it was "Stifling and killing their vibe, man!"

 

[Mainländer]

Abolish the governmental advantages for women at work as well. Earlier retirement, paid maternity leave, quotas, easier physical tests when the job requires them, etc.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Abolish the governmental advantages for women at work as well. Earlier retirement, paid maternity leave, quotas, easier physical tests when the job requires them, etc.

I said take back the size and scope of gov to what it was in the year 1905- none of those things existed in 1905.

 

[Dan the man]

Let's say we take the size and scope of government back to what it was in the year 1905, and we completely decriminalized prostitution and whore houses (for all parties involved, not the BS "scandinavian model" where it's only decriminalized for the whore and not the man), I think that would benefit 'incels,' and men as a whole in fact, immensely. I would go so far as to say that 'inceldom' would barely even exist in these conditions. However, barring a complete economic collapse, this will never happen, unfortunately. Due to extreme female hypergamy due to no longer having to (directly) rely on a man for provision, and utterly cucked prostitution laws, the only options we have as incels are to either become coomers or monks.

Giveme govt issue Foid or riot!

 

[Deleted member 31092]

It wouldn't help incels, because legal prostitution would encourage more foids to be low class thots who become better at manipulating men. We need a huge change in culture and how people think. Men, especially alphas and Chads, need to have more restraint and fuck less. Women need to relearn that their purpose really is to be a support class, support her husband, family and raise children in a stable household. That is a noble purpose for women but the fucking media and social pressures keep telling women to become foids and just party and fuck Chads all day. The nuclear family principal was perfect. It encouraged less fucking and promiscuous sex, and more of a partnership between the two sexes. A partnership to create a stable household so that the next generation wouldn't be as lost and purposeless like ours. Fuck the hippies and beatniks who had to kill the nuclear family, saying that it was "Stifling and killing their vibe, man!"

The "nuclear family" is a 20th century abberation- before that, people lived in clans, tribes, and extended families. That's what we need to bring back.

 

[Mainländer]

I said take back the size and scope of gov to what it was in the year 1905- none of those things existed in 1905.

True. I read it fast and didn't think.

 

[SirIncel]

but muh neat buxxxx

 

[Deleted member 31092]

True. I read it fast and didn't think.

What would you say is a bigger 'sin,' porn and cooming or whorecelling?

 

[Mainländer]

What would you say is a bigger 'sin,' porn and cooming or whorecelling?

Having sex with prostitutes is undoubtedly worse. The bible calls fornication a sin against not only God but your own body. When you have sex with someone, there's a spiritual bond getting formed there, and if that person is not your husband/wife, you're getting that sacred spiritual bond which is reserved for marriage with random people around.

I think casual sex is even worse, because non-psychopathic people will always be at risk of also catching strong feelings for the person they're having sex with, on top of the spiritual bond aspect. The casual sex women have with sex in the hopes he'll commit and then he doesn't breaks them emotionally. They become bitter, depressed and jaded. Promiscuity is barbaric (actually, worse than that, because even most pagan cultures had marriages; it's animalistic, better said), sinful and extremely harmful to society.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Having sex with prostitutes is undoubtedly worse. The bible calls fornication a sin against not only God but your own body. When you have sex with someone, there's a spiritual bond getting formed there, and if that person is not your husband/wife, you're getting that sacred spiritual bond which is reserved for marriage with random people around.

I think casual sex is even worse, because non-psychopathic people will always be at risk of also catching strong feelings for the person they're having sex with, on top of the spiritual bond aspect. The casual sex women have with sex in the hopes he'll commit and then he doesn't breaks them emotionally. They become bitter, depressed and jaded. Promiscuity is barbaric (actually, worse than that, because even most pagan cultures had marriages; it's animalistic, better said), sinful and extremely harmful to society.

I agree with you to some extent- I would say whorecelling, while a sin, is a lesser sin than porn/cooming, and much less harmful to an individual man's phycological well-being.

Here's how I would rank them:

1. Total celibacy
2. Sex within marriage
3. Whorecelling
4. Porn/cooming
5. 'Casual sex'
6. Rape (of virtuous, honorable women. Rape of whores is essentially a crime of inconvenience or a form of theft).

 

[Mainländer]

I agree with you to some extent- I would say whorecelling, while a sin, is a lesser sin than porn/cooming, and much less harmful to an individual man's phycological well-being.

Here's how I would rank them:

1. Total celibacy
2. Sex within marriage
3. Whorecelling
4. Porn/cooming
5. 'Casual sex'
6. Rape (of virtuous, honorable women. Rape of whores is essentially a crime of inconvenience or a form of theft).

I'd rank it like this:

1. total celibacy
2. marriage
3. fapping without porn
4. fapping with porn
5. whorecelling
6. "casual" sex
7. rape like you described

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Abolish the governmental advantages for women at work as well. Earlier retirement, paid maternity leave, quotas, easier physical tests when the job requires them, etc.

Strongly agree but the opposite just occurred in a country (US) where direct payments to families for having children didn't use to occur.

In the Stimulus Bill, a Policy Revolution in Aid for Children (Published 2021)

The $1.9 trillion pandemic relief package moving through Congress advances an idea that Democrats have been nurturing for decades: establishing a guaranteed income for families with children.

www.nytimes.com

Next is politicians pushing for maternity leave because of the reasoning that coronavirus caused many mom's to leave the workplace. Andrew Yang has signed onto this.

Prominent Male Allies Run Full Page Ad in the Washington Post Calling on Congress to Support the Marshall Plan for Moms

NEW YORK, Feb. 25, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- 50 prominent male allies, many of whom are fathers, today signed a letter in the Washington Post calling on Congress to support the "Marshall Plan for Moms," to pay mothers for their unpaid, unseen labor and to pass policies addressing parental leave...

apnews.com

@DonezoTheClown @Uggo Mongo @bigantennaemay1

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Strongly agree but the opposite just occurred in a country (US) where direct payments to families for having children didn't use to occur.

In the Stimulus Bill, a Policy Revolution in Aid for Children (Published 2021)

The $1.9 trillion pandemic relief package moving through Congress advances an idea that Democrats have been nurturing for decades: establishing a guaranteed income for families with children.

www.nytimes.com

Next is politicians pushing for maternity leave because of the reasoning that coronavirus caused many mom's to leave the workplace. Andrew Yang has signed onto this.

Prominent Male Allies Run Full Page Ad in the Washington Post Calling on Congress to Support the Marshall Plan for Moms

NEW YORK, Feb. 25, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- 50 prominent male allies, many of whom are fathers, today signed a letter in the Washington Post calling on Congress to support the "Marshall Plan for Moms," to pay mothers for their unpaid, unseen labor and to pass policies addressing parental leave...

apnews.com

@DonezoTheClown @Uggo Mongo @bigantennaemay1

The more government welfare there is, the more dysgenic society becomes, and the worse things are for incels. This is also terrible for society as a whole because all that debt will have to be paid or repudiated in some way or another. Most likely, it will be repudiated through hyperinflation.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

The more government welfare there is, the more dysgenic society becomes, and the worse things are for incels. This is also terrible for society as a whole because all that debt will have to be paid or repudiated in some way or another. Most likely, it will be repudiated through hyperinflation.

Razor wire barbed fence around the capitol that will cost taxpayers millions. One party state decided this not the average voter.

Globalists are really obsessed with keeping up birth rates.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Razor wire barbed fence around the capitol that will cost taxpayers millions. One party state decided this not the average voter.

Globalists are really obsessed with keeping up birth rates.

Bu bu but... muh depopulation agenda

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Bu bu but... muh depopulation agenda

Depopulation is a ruse imo.

They need more people to compete against each other and have ensuing strife. Keeps focus off people in power and enables continual creative development borne from suffering. Also the more people that are alive the more people data companies in private sector and governments can harness data from others. That's the underpinning of a service, image oriented economy in the 'Information Age'.

Also more people means more continual funding of safety nets enabling governments to keep spending while pleasing the better off older generation of the electorate.

Finally they need to maintain a population to rule over. There's no fun for tyrants if they don't have a large population to rule over and enforce their will on.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Depopulation is a ruse imo.

They need more people to compete against each other and have ensuing strife. Keeps focus off people in power and enables continual creative development borne from suffering. Also the more people that are alive the more people data companies in private sector and governments can harness data from others. That's the underpinning of a service, image oriented economy in the 'Information Age'.

Also more people means more continual funding of safety nets enabling governments to keep spending while pleasing the better off older generation of the electorate.

Finally they need to maintain a population to rule over. There's no fun for tyrants if they don't have a large population to rule over and enforce their will on.

Agree fully. I'd also add that the perpetual "growth" global financial/economic model we have requires an ever increasing supply of consoomers. Also, a declining population would put downward pressure on housing costs and upward pressure on wages, and the "elite" would not like that one bit.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

I've been thinking about becoming monk for a while now; to buy a cabin, and go live in the woods somewhere. Far far away from this depraved society.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

I've been thinking about becoming monk for a while now; to buy a cabin, and go live in the woods somewhere. Far far away from this depraved society.

Kazcysnksi maxxing...

But seriously, that's becoming increasingly impossible with the increasing amount human encroachment into nature, as well as the increasing amount governmental/managerial power and regulation.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Agree fully. I'd also add that the perpetual "growth" global financial/economic model we have requires an ever increasing supply of consoomers. Also, a declining population would put downward pressure on housing costs and upward pressure on wages, and the "elite" would not like that one bit.

I remember all this talk in the manosphere before it got polluted with tradcons and controlled opposition alt-right sock puppets.
That's the power of systematic thinking too. In a sad way all of this is connected.

And from what we've seen all these giveaways are always one-sided. No single sexless male has ever benefitted from the way things went although a lot of that slowed down under Trump (he still mandated paid family leave for government employees and Ivanka pushed for more assistance for women for example). Potentially one reason a lot of identity politics obsessed neoliberals hated him (remember all the attacks on "virgin", "loser", "incel" white male Trump supporters)?
@Lebensmüder

At this point how any blackpilled incel can be progressive or neoliberal boggles the mind when those parties have a repeated record of trying to distribute resources from men to women but will still insist on instituting harsh overseeing and means testing on single males that apply for welfare or assistance of any kind and demanding low status males be productive or face punishment like prison time.
It doesn't matter what they could provide you from their economic model in theory. It's what they have a record of providing. And history shows that provision is mainly geared toward women and families.

 

[ilieknothing]

Whores are very legal where I live and inceldom still exists. Unless you are saying that paying a whore is ascending.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

I remember all this talk in the manosphere before it got polluted with tradcons and controlled opposition alt-right sock puppets.
That's the power of systematic thinking too. In a sad way all of this is connected.

And from what we've seen all these giveaways are always one-sided. No single sexless male has ever benefitted from the way things went although a lot of that slowed down under Trump (he still mandated paid family leave for government employees and Ivanka pushed for more assistance for women for example). Potentially one reason a lot of identity politics obsessed neoliberals hated him (remember all the attacks on "virgin", "loser", "incel" white male Trump supporters)?
@Lebensmüder

At this point how any blackpilled incel can be progressive or neoliberal boggles the mind when those parties have a repeated record of trying to distribute resources from men to women but will still insist on instituting harsh overseeing and means testing on single males that apply for welfare or assistance of any kind and demanding low status males be productive or face punishment like prison time.
It doesn't matter what they could provide you from their economic model in theory. It's what they have a record of providing. And history shows that provision is mainly geared toward women and families.

I support neither Trump or Biden, however I viewed Trump as a somewhat lesser evil- in a Biden administration, the floodgates holding back the deluge of full-blown socialism/bolshevism are going to be thrown open. Welcome to the USSA.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Kazcysnksi maxxing...

But seriously, that's becoming increasingly impossible with the increasing amount human encroachment into nature, as well as the increasing amount governmental/managerial power and regulation.

It's still possible in places like Alaska, but it's a frozen hell up there.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I support neither Trump or Biden, however I viewed Trump as a somewhat lesser evil- in a Biden administration, the floodgates holding back the deluge of full-blown socialism/bolshevism are going to be thrown open. Welcome to the USSA.

For the first time in a while yeah Trump was the lesser evil. Normally there's no real policy differences between presidential candidates (see HW Bush versus Clinton, Obama versus McCain, Obama versus Romney for recent examples).
Biden represents the worst of woke identity politics, neoliberalism and pro globalization.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

I support neither Trump or Biden, however I viewed Trump as a somewhat lesser evil- in a Biden administration, the floodgates holding back the deluge of full-blown socialism/bolshevism are going to be thrown open. Welcome to the USSA.

You're right, they're both hypocrites, and only care about money and power. I do agree with you that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Despite what the media shills about him, he's not that bad. He's simply a clown who doesn't stand for anything. As opposed to how the media portrayed him; the media made him look like some genius with a plan to abolish immigration and all kill black people. Biden on the other hand, has an agenda. Which automatically makes him more dangerous than a bullshitter who doesn't believe in anything.

 

[Angry_runt]

Prostitution is not a solution to inceldom.

 

[Deleted member 31092]

For the first time in a while yeah Trump was the lesser evil. Normally there's no real policy differences between presidential candidates (see HW Bush versus Clinton, Obama versus McCain, Obama versus Romney for recent examples).
Biden represents the worst of woke identity politics, neoliberalism and pro globalization.

Biden isn't going to last long as president- Cumala Whorish is going to be taking over (if she isn't already the defacto president)-and she makes Obama look like a hard-line conservative.

You're right, they're both hypocrites, and only care about money and power. I do agree with you that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Despite what the media shills about him, he's not that bad. He's simply a clown who doesn't stand for anything. As opposed to how the media portrayed him; the media made him look like some genius with a plan to abolish immigration and all kill black people. Biden on the other hand, has an agenda. Which automatically makes him more dangerous than a bullshitter who doesn't believe in anything.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Biden isn't going to last long as president- Cumala Whorish is going to be taking over (if she isn't already the defacto president)-and she makes Obama look like a hard-line conservative.

Yup. Pretty much everyone here who voted for Biden was essentially casting a vote for Harris.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Biden represents the worst of woke identity politics

He's just a tool. Biden's polices are not woke. Look at his history; for example, he wasn't against the Iraq war. And even now, the left is frustrated with him.

 

[Robtical]

Abolish the governmental advantages for women at work as well. Earlier retirement, paid maternity leave, quotas, easier physical tests when the job requires them, etc.

All non chads have to do is stop paying taxes, then the cucked government and their trash will disappear.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

He's just a tool. Biden's polices are not woke.

The point of woke policies is style over substance and virtue signaling for favored special interests and demographics while keeping the status quo firmly in place. Biden fits that.

Look at his history; for example, he wasn't against the Iraq war. And even now, the left is frustrated with him.

Already the third stimulus check of $2000 that he promised has been whittled down to $1400.
The left might be "frustrated" but they'll be slapped around and silenced by the media just like when Obama was president.

 

[Sheogorath]

but muh neat buxxxx

we can keep bux for people not able to find work

this never applies to foids, they are always able to find it

 

[Deleted member 33216]

The point of woke policies is style over substance and virtue signaling for favored special interests and demographics while keeping the status quo firmly in place. Biden fits that.

Already the third stimulus check of $2000 that he promised has been whittled down to $1400.
The left might be "frustrated" but they'll be slapped around and silenced by the media just like when Obama was president.

Yeah, but what I meant was that Biden himself is not "woke". He's a corporate democrat - or Republicanlite if you want. But he's good with virtue signalling, I'll give him that. The sole reason behind hiring people like Kamala or Neera Tanden is to virtue signal. By doing that he hit two birds with one rock; he did the virtue signalling, and now he can say "me, no jack! I'm not racist. Look at my VP". And he effectively abolished any potential criticism of both Kamala and Tanden since any criticism of them will be conflated with either racism or sexism.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Yeah, but what I meant was that Biden himself is not "woke". He's a corporate democrat - or Republicanlite if you want.

That's what "woke" people are nowadays though. It's all about putting more women in positions of power. Not addressing the power structure itself.

But he's good with virtue signalling, I'll give him that. The sole reason behind hiring people like Kamala or Neera Tanden is to virtue signal. By doing that he hit two birds with one rock; he did the virtue signalling, and now he can say "me, no jack! I'm not racist. Look at my VP". And he effectively abolished any potential criticism of both Kamala and Tanden since any criticism of them will be conflated with either racism or sexism.

Tanden was still rejected as the nominee in his cabinet recently though right? So his strategy only worked with Kamala.

 

[Mainländer]

All non chads have to do is stop paying taxes, then the cucked government and their trash will disappear.

Imagine civil disobedience en masse, even the police force adhering. Beautiful.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Tanden was still rejected as the nominee in his cabinet recently though right?

I haven't been keeping up with the news lately, but I think there were many Dems who voted against her.

So his strategy only worked with Kamala.

I mean, Kamala didn't write any mean Tweets like Tanden, and she never said let's bomb the Libyans and take their oil. That's why it worked.

 

[Currycel25]

Also abolish hetrosexual marriage

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Whores are very legal where I live and inceldom still exists. Unless you are saying that paying a whore is ascending.

I'm saying prostitution takes away a substantial amount of power women have in the dating/mating game, and forces them to be better behaved. Why would you put up with a woman's nonsense when you could easily just pay a modest sum for sex/intimacy with a whore? Do you think it's any coincidence that the US- the nation with the worst behaved, most entitled holes, also has the most inaccessible prostitution?

 

[Currycel25]

Dating and marriage for most men except s select few is already like prostitution only more expensive and crumbersome

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Imagine civil disobedience en masse, even the police force adhering. Beautiful.

We don't send checks to the government, taxes are withheld from our paychecks. The only way mass tax evasion could work is if everyone demanded to be paid in cash, under the table, and the employers obligingly went along with it. Essentially make the entire economy "underground."

 

[randomguy1235]

Abolish the governmental advantages for women at work as well. Earlier retirement, paid maternity leave, quotas, easier physical tests when the job requires them, etc.