Blackpill Calling yourself a "Nihilist" is a failed normie trait and a coping mechanism posing as "serious philosophy"

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

No serious thinker has ever described himself as a "nihilist" in any formal sense, because it's essentially a useless term. What you get with Nietzsche is a reaction to the physiological decadence of the modern age, a world being emptied of it's meaning, with Camus and Cioran expressing a existential pessimism in the state of being. But these high iq thinkers were old school stoics, hoping that nihilism is temporary, something that can be and should be overcome -- not becoming an end in itself as a "YOLO" philosophy which "nihilists" on reddit subscribe to.

What you get with internet "nihilists" is the nietzscheian Last Men, who, after the "death of god", turned to the religion of pleasure and instant gratification.

-- But do you know what you really want? What is it? Satisfying biological needs? If you are really smart you can easily discern how human instincts 'steeped in biology' can get easily hacked and transformed by sophisticated psychological mechanisms that shape desire in us. Feeling thirsty? Grab a can of Coke -- Even though soda drinks don't quench your thirst and will make you actually thirstier, you enjoy sipping acidic syrup that tastes like motor oil. Sexuality? A christian Chad will fuck a couple of girls, settle down in his 20s with his college sweetheart and probably lead a more satisfying life than the nihilist who goes on a world tour fucking 100+ whores only to end up returning to a empty apartment feeling empty.

What is described as Nihilism today is the most conformist position one can take. It offers a "philosophical" justification for things you implicitly already believe due to growing up in a self-centered consumer society obsessed with status and sexual prowess. Nihilists end up behaving like true believers in the gospel which spells that we should unapologetically spoil ourselves through over-consumption as nothing really matters except their jouissance.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

nihilism is a reddit normie trait tbh
every edgy kid is a nihilist

 

[78980n]

Do you really expect me to read all this shit.

Has people's attention spans degraded this much on this forum lol

 

[Ecstasy]

Great thread, nothing to argue here!

See you on your next bullshit schizo spergout that attacks my wignat worldview

 

[Deleted member 19236]

more importantly, whos alt?

 

[Billowel]

i have only read one book from cioran and that was a long time ago,but from what i remember he seemed to be someone who could not assent to total pessimism but neither could assent to something which promised salvation either now or in the future. indecision,which often leans to a pessimistic view of everything seems to be the spirit of the age. man Does not what to do nor what to look forward too.we live in sad times.

Also not sure cioran and camus can be considered philosophers.both gave up on metaphysics a long time ago.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Every one of OP's threads is just shitting on incels and their low social status and copes.

and then he uses fancy media to make it seem more legit.

 

[Caesercel]

I thought nihilism was all about eventually roping. Not hedonism. A true nihilist will know that even pleasure is pointless and empty.

 

[Deleted member 24081]

I’m an incelhilist

 

[Idotms]

idk about that
I see your point
You might be correct

 

[BummerDrummerOG]

OP is one of the biggest schizopostershere. He’s worse than @BlkPillPres and @IncelKing combined

 

[Personalityinkwell]

OP is one of the biggest schizopostershere. He’s worse than @BlkPillPres and @IncelKing combined

OP might be @MENSA_IQcel alt

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

i have only read one book from cioran and that was a long time ago,but from what i remember he seemed to be someone who could not assent to total pessimism but neither could assent to something which promised salvation either now or in the future. indecision,which often leans to a pessimistic view of everything seems to be the spirit of the age. man Does not what to do nor what to look forward too.we live in sad times.

Also not sure cioran and camus can be considered philosophers.both gave up on metaphysics a long time ago.

if my memory serves me right, but Coiran and Camus were both inspired by the greek legend of Sisyphus, that conveys a sheer will inspite circumstantial disappointments. Coiran was way more pessimistic that Camus, tho.

nihilism is a reddit normie trait tbh
every edgy kid is a nihilist

I've known some depressed goth girls that were self-described "nihilists", also very promiscious.

I thought nihilism was all about eventually roping. Not hedonism. A true nihilist will know that even pleasure is pointless and empty.

Not all nihilists are defeatists, but nihilists who aren't defeatists a lot of times get hooked on by some other opioid substituting religion.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

OP might be @MENSA_IQcel alt

Is this forum really so low iq that anything longer than a pre-fabricated shitpost containing a mimetic one-liner is automatically viewed with suspicion? In that case, it truly is over for you.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Interesting read.

What is described as Nihilism today is the most conformist position one can take. It offers a "philosophical" justification for things you implicitly already believe due to growing up in a self-centered consumer society obsessed with status and sexual prowess. Nihilists end up behaving like true believers in the gospel which spells that we should unapologetically spoil ourselves through over-consumption as nothing really matters except their jouissance.

To be fair, trying to struggle against what's being imposed upon you is difficult. Perhaps it's more rewarding for some to simply take whatever pleasure they can get as opposed to attempting to battle both their own beliefs, and their own nature. It's not a battle most of us are capable of winning.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Is this forum really so low iq that anything longer than a pre-fabricated shitpost containing a mimetic one-liner is automatically viewed with suspicion? In that case, it truly is over for you.

"in that case, it is truly over for you"

Every one of OP's threads is just shitting on incels and their low social status and copes.

and then he uses fancy media to make it seem more legit.

 

[Deleted member 16390]

To me the concept of nihilism is if someone live a meaningless life without purpose the consequence will be absolute destruction and cease of existence in the end beyond the concept of time and space.

 

[Fat Link]

Werner Von Braun tier high IQ thread.

Kalki the avenger the last man against time and his fourth reich simply cannot come soon enough to wash the filth that is this Bolshevik Jew Neo Weimar Clown World away.

 

[MisterMeme]

No serious thinker has ever described himself as a "nihilist" in any formal sense, because it's essentially a useless term. What you get with Nietzsche is a reaction to the physiological decadence of the modern age, a world being emptied of it's meaning, with Camus and Cioran expressing a existential pessimism in the state of being. But these high iq thinkers were old school stoics, hoping that nihilism is temporary, something that can be and should be overcome -- not becoming an end in itself as a "YOLO" philosophy which "nihilists" on reddit subscribe to.

What you get with internet "nihilists" is the nietzscheian Last Men, who, after the "death of god", turned to the religion of pleasure and instant gratification.

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-- But do you know what you really want? What is it? Satisfying biological needs? If you are really smart you can easily discern how human instincts 'steeped in biology' can get easily hacked and transformed by sophisticated psychological mechanisms that shape desire in us. Feeling thirsty? Grab a can of Coke -- Even though soda drinks don't quench your thirst and will make you actually thirstier, you enjoy sipping acidic syrup that tastes like motor oil. Sexuality? A christian Chad will fuck a couple of girls, settle down in his 20s with his college sweetheart and probably lead a more satisfying life than the nihilist who goes on a world tour fucking 100+ whores only to end up returning to a empty apartment feeling empty.

What is described as Nihilism today is the most conformist position one can take. It offers a "philosophical" justification for things you implicitly already believe due to growing up in a self-centered consumer society obsessed with status and sexual prowess. Nihilists end up behaving like true believers in the gospel which spells that we should unapologetically spoil ourselves through over-consumption as nothing really matters except their jouissance.

Extremely high IQ thread Mensa (srs)

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

To be fair, trying to struggle against what's being imposed upon you is difficult. Perhaps it's more rewarding for some to simply take whatever pleasure they can get as opposed to attempting to battle both their own beliefs, and their own nature. It's not a battle most of us are capable of winning.

Exactly why I call it a coping strategy that secretly encourages defeatism; to a self-described nihilist only pleasure matters, but since there is a whole industry dedicated to cater toward his desires, by encouraging him to want and desire more and then offering a discout experience of what he wants (vr porn, fleshlights) -- his comfort zone expands while hypergamy still goes on undisturbed. I'm talking in generalizations here, but the porn industry has filtered out of society so many men by making them contend in having to experience nothing.

Every one of OP's threads is just shitting on incels and their low social status and copes.

and then he uses fancy media to make it seem more legit.

I'm not trying to take your kinks away, boyo. I'm only exposing the mechanisms behind them.

To me the concept of nihilism is if someone live a meaningless life without purpose the consequence will be absolute destruction and cease of existence in the end beyond the concept of time and space.

There are many concepts of nihilism, from moral to exsistential and even epistemological, but the one you're describing just cuts straight to defeatism. A true defeatist would have abandon his libido. Which I don't thing these types have in mind.

Werner Von Braun tier high IQ thread.

Kalki the avenger the last man against time and his fourth reich simply cannot come soon enough to wash the filth that is this Bolshevik Jew Neo Weimar Clown World away.

was with you there, until "the jews" part. Himmler simped for single mothers, devised Lebensborn, a program that encouraged racially valuable rural girls to escape from their parents and have sex with elite SS members.

 

[dirtykombatcel]

I’m an incelhilist

 

[SchrodingersDick]

Your argument sounds like “you shouldnt be a nihilist because you will fuck up thinking you’re spiking your dopamine but are actually spiking your cortisol in the long run. Find a better philosophy that spikes your dopamine”. Akin to normies saying “just don’t identify as an incel so you don’t experience anxiety. Reject reality and substitute your own”

first principles are always dopamine spikes. That’s about the limit for “meaning of life”. Ultimately we are not more than motile masses of cells with no privileged position in the universe. Your thoughts, feelings, perception, sentience etc are physical phenomena. Atoms interacting with other atoms. Be born, do things to spike your dopamine (propagate yourself), then die. And the cycle continues. Adopting some belief system where life has meaning only serves to spike your dopamine. Andofc it’s a lie because what higher purpose or meaning could there possibly be? Something objective and “written into the universe”.. Then you’re entering into religion territory which Jfl if you think you can make logical, falsifiable arguments to defend. “X is impossible“ says the atheist. “But what about magic” says the religionmaxxer, as if magic is a constituent element of time and space.

take the monkey on a rock pill. purpose/meaning of life = your brain’s reward system. There is no higher, grand, timeless purpose

it’s another argument entirely whether nihilism benefits human civilization, if it’s sustainable, whether it’s the optimal worldview/belief system to have for a fulfilling life, etc. it’s probably not and I wish I were a religious man in the 1800s. But a persuit of truth will get you closer to reality which is totally apathetic and inconvenient af. To live as a sentient being is to suffer unless you totally reject reality and tell yourself fairy tales.

Doesnt seem like you’re really arguing against nihilism, just the mainstream interpretation/attitude towards it and shitting on it just because it’s a normie trait. Which is true, the actions of so called nihilists are not rationally calculated to benefit them or make them happier. More like searching for an excuse to do things and defaulting to “well like, why not bro, I mean, cmon”.. YOLO is not the same thing as nihilism. The reason chad who starts a family in his 20s lives a great life is because that is the path to happiness. Doing the things you’re supposed to do when you’re 16, then 17, etc. not missing out on anything, etc.

 

[AmIjustDreaming]

I’m an incelhilist

 

[Fat Link]

Exactly why I call it a coping strategy that secretly encourages defeatism; to a self-described nihilist only pleasure matters, but since there is a whole industry dedicated to cater toward his desires, by encouraging him to want and desire more and then offering a discout experience of what he wants (vr porn, fleshlights) -- his comfort zone expands while hypergamy still goes on undisturbed. I'm talking in generalizations here, but the porn industry has filtered out of society so many men by making them contend in having to experience nothing.


I'm not trying to take your kinks away, boyo. I'm only exposing the mechanisms behind them.


There are many concepts of nihilism, from moral to exsistential and even epistemological, but the one you're describing just cuts straight to defeatism. A true defeatist would have abandon his libido. Which I don't thing these types have in mind.


was with you there, until "the jews" part. Himmler simped for single mothers, devised Lebensborn, a program that encouraged racially valuable rural girls to escape from their parents and have sex with elite SS members.

There was nothing wrong with that as that was the radical traditionalist culture they were trying to create and acheive.

They wanted to create a kind of cult of motherhood or rather make motherhood very popular and well supported by the state and people and for obvious reasons at that ie a culture that values the creation of families and high genetically gifted families at that is likely to be very strong and in so being create a stronger and healthier nation than existed before.

Plus having tons of babies in a practical sense would mean more soldiers/reinforcements in time with which to fight off ZOG had they only been able to somehow hold on and force a stalemate.

It’s truly a shame Germany didn’t acquire nukes first.

We’d live in a far better world if they had and I’m not saying that because I think they would have conquered the world as a result but their existence would virtually ensure the Jews white genocide agenda had no chance whatsoever of even getting off the ground and they would’ve prevented America from becoming the global ZOG monster state that it has unfortunately in time become which threatens the safety and security of the entire world.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Your argument sounds like “you shouldnt be a nihilist because you will fuck up thinking you’re spiking your dopamine but are actually spiking your cortisol in the long run. Find a better philosophy that spikes your dopamine”. Akin to normies saying “just don’t identify as an incel so you don’t experience anxiety. Reject reality and substitute your own”

first principles are always dopamine spikes. That’s about the limit for “meaning of life”. Ultimately we are not more than motile masses of cells with no privileged position in the universe. Your thoughts, feelings, perception, sentience etc are physical phenomena. Atoms interacting with other atoms. Be born, do things to spike your dopamine (propagate yourself), then die. And the cycle continues. Adopting some belief system where life has meaning only serves to spike your dopamine. Andofc it’s a lie because what higher purpose or meaning could there possibly be? Something objective and “written into the universe”.. Then you’re entering into religion territory which Jfl if you think you can make logical, falsifiable arguments to defend. “X is impossible“ says the atheist. “But what about magic” says the religionmaxxer, as if magic is a constituent element of time and space.

take the monkey on a rock pill. purpose/meaning of life = your brain’s reward system. There is no higher, grand, timeless purpose

it’s another argument entirely whether nihilism benefits human civilization, if it’s sustainable, whether it’s the optimal worldview/belief system to have for a fulfilling life, etc. it’s probably not and I wish I were a religious man in the 1800s. But a persuit of truth will get you closer to reality which is totally apathetic and inconvenient af. To live as a sentient being is to suffer unless you totally reject reality and tell yourself fairy tales.

Doesnt seem like you’re really arguing against nihilism, just the mainstream interpretation/attitude towards it and shitting on it just because it’s a normie trait. Which is true, the actions of so called nihilists are not rationally calculated to benefit them or make them happier. More like searching for an excuse to do things and defaulting to “well like, why not bro, I mean, cmon”.. YOLO is not the same thing as nihilism. The reason chad who starts a family in his 20s lives a great life is because that is the path to happiness. Doing the things you’re supposed to do when you’re 16, then 17, etc. not missing out on anything, etc.

I'm talking about the oxymoron of being a self-proclaimed nihilist, who claims to have abandoned 'morality' in favor of 'truth' and 'reality' forgetting somehow that all meaning is imaginary, but we can never grasp this fact because we can only comprehend in imaginative frameworks. There is no true way of knowing things, only perspectivism, or the notion that "knowledge" can never be objective knowledge but always by someone of some thing: it is always bound by a perspective.

 

[Neggr]

Every one of OP's threads is just shitting on incels and their low social status and copes.

and then he uses fancy media to make it seem more legit.

ive noticed that too

 

[DirtyCurryCell]

Normies don't understand Nihlism.

Nietzche said that all our contemporary religions are "Slave" religions because they're basically throwing tantrums against the pagan way of life. Which was a life where the pagan 'masters' lived as hedonists and the pagan 'slaves' lived without much luxury.

Nietzche wanted people to focus on things to find meaning in life. Namely, Art.

But that is BS, because normies lack the life experience to create art.

Only small group world wide has that potential.

 

[Deleted member 20207]

What is the alternative to seeking pleasure and instant gratification though? Living a life of boredom until you die?

God does not exist and believing in him is just a cope. The exact thought process of religious people is:
“One day maybe God will enlighten me and set me free from my boredom and suffering, so I will therefore believe in him.”.

This thought process is very similar to people who think:
“All females I have met have been AWALTs, but one day I will maybe find a NAWALT who will truly love me, so I will therefore believe in love”, or
“I am currently unhappy, but if I only continue to wageslave in order to become rich, I will maybe become happy, so I will therefore believe in happiness”.

The problem is that neither enlightenment, love or happiness exist though. People only chose to believe in those idealistic concepts because they are too afraid about the brutal truth that life is meaningless. They basically have false hope. I am too logical and high IQ to have any false hope though, so I am therefore a nihilist.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

The problem is that neither enlightenment, love or happiness exist though.

It very much depends upon how you define all of those things tbh, and exactly what it is that you mean.

Starting with happiness, I believe that this is a false ideal. Happiness is something which you remember in the past, strive to have in the future, but never actually experience in the moment. It's a carrot on a stick which you will never really get to eat. Your mind constructs a goal, leads you to believe that you'll finally be content once you reach it, and then the goalpost is moved as soon as you get there. In this way, the cause of our misery isn't so much because we have an actual lack of something, it's the very desire itself which is hurting you. Of course something very tangible like starvation isn't something which you can think your way out of, and even in the case of subjective desires, it's extremely difficult to just will yourself to stop wanting something. For instance, every time sex is mentioned it feels like someone is digging at an already present wound and injuring me a little bit more.

Enlightenment is usually even worse. Knowledge tends to take comfort away rather than add to it, and for most people there is very little peace to be found in knowing something closer to the truth unless you're capable of emotionally accepting it. I've found that the more questions which I've asked myself, the worse I've felt. I was so much better off just living in escapism before I asked myself much of anything. If you pay attention, you'll notice that people shield themselves psychologically from the worst realities, and invent all sorts of copes just to be able to deal with being self aware and entirely mortal animals.

In the case of love, assuming people actually mean love and not lust, this is entirely internal. People can love an idea about another person which they've created within their own mind, but this isn't the same thing as loving another person. You love the character they embody for you, but you don't love them because you don't know them. As knowing another consciousness is impossible, the divide cannot ever be bridged.

 

[nystagmuscel]

Nothing matters, might as well gorge yourself on all the pleasurable stuff you can. What’s wrong with that?

 

[TheReaper]

your talking about people who replaced "god" with "pleasure" in their value system.(pleasure is their god so they still have a religious mindset)
for me nihilism is more about understanding that everything (including pleasure) doesn't have an intrinsic value.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

What is the alternative to seeking pleasure and instant gratification though? Living a life of boredom until you die?

God does not exist and believing in him is just a cope. The exact thought process of religious people is:
“One day maybe God will enlighten me and set me free from my boredom and suffering, so I will therefore believe in him.”.

This thought process is very similar to people who think:
“All females I have met have been AWALTs, but one day I will maybe find a NAWALT who will truly love me, so I will therefore believe in love”, or
“I am currently unhappy, but if I only continue to wageslave in order to become rich, I will maybe become happy, so I will therefore believe in happiness”.

The problem is that neither enlightenment, love or happiness exist though. People only chose to believe in those idealistic concepts because they are too afraid about the brutal truth that life is meaningless. They basically have false hope. I am too logical and high IQ to have any false hope though, so I am therefore a nihilist.

If you were really well read and high iq you'd know that idealistic 'copes' are for many people a source of pleasure in themselves. Love doesn't exist in any empirical sense, yet this doesn't matter to the subject who claims to have had experienced it didn't derive sublime pleasure from that brief moment he though he had it. Try and 'blackpill' him by pointing out 'it's just chemicals in brains' he'd either cling to his cope even harder, or feel disappointed -- a part of enjoyment would be lost -- human desire is structured through fantasy and people derive immense pleasure by chasing that ineffable surplus thing that keeps appearing and dissapearing on the horizon.

A true nihilist perspective would be that the popularity of 'idealistic concepts' attests to the strength of their attraction.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

for me nihilism is more about understanding that everything (including pleasure) doesn't have an intrinsic value.

then you're a existential nihilist.

 

[NuclearCel]

Has people's attention spans degraded this much on this forum lol

This assumes that people on this forum have an attention span. I for one, dont.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

more importantly, whos alt?

@Fontaine??

OP might be @MENSA_IQcel alt

At least OP is a bit smarter than Mensa, if not he's holding back on his usual narcissism in this post

 

[Deleted member 20207]

It very much depends upon how you define all of those things tbh, and exactly what it is that you mean.

Starting with happiness, I believe that this is a false ideal. Happiness is something which you remember in the past, strive to have in the future, but never actually experience in the moment. It's a carrot on a stick which you will never really get to eat. Your mind constructs a goal, leads you to believe that you'll finally be content once you reach it, and then the goalpost is moved as soon as you get there. In this way, the cause of our misery isn't so much because we have an actual lack of something, it's the very desire itself which is hurting you. Of course something very tangible like starvation isn't something which you can think your way out of, and even in the case of subjective desires, it's extremely difficult to just will yourself to stop wanting something. For instance, every time sex is mentioned it feels like someone is digging at an already present wound and injuring me a little bit more.

Enlightenment is usually even worse. Knowledge tends to take comfort away rather than add to it, and for most people there is very little peace to be found in knowing something closer to the truth unless you're capable of emotionally accepting it. I've found that the more questions which I've asked myself, the worse I've felt. I was so much better off just living in escapism before I asked myself much of anything. If you pay attention, you'll notice that people shield themselves psychologically from the worst realities, and invent all sorts of copes just to be able to deal with being self aware and entirely mortal animals.

In the case of love, assuming people actually mean love and not lust, this is entirely internal. People can love an idea about another person which they've created within their own mind, but this isn't the same thing as loving another person. You love the character they embody for you, but you don't love them because you don't know them. As knowing another consciousness is impossible, the divide cannot ever be bridged.

I define enlightenment, love and happiness as false ideals, while knowledge, sexual attraction and physical satisfaction are real things which the firstly mentioned words are often used as euphemisms for.

I disagree with the statement that desire, which is what makes us seeking knowledge, sex and physical satisfaction, would be a bad thing though. Without desire, we would just be completely apathetic and robotic, which is not desirable. The black hole inside us would be ubiquitous.

For instance, I like having a libido, because due to it, I can enjoy masturbation twice to thrice a week, even though sex with a female would be better. It gives me temporary distraction from the black hole inside me. I would not wish to become asexual, because then I would neither enjoy masturbation or real sex, if I would get the chance to have it. Instead, I wish that my libido were higher.

The suffering does not come from the desire itself, but from the ego. Before, I used to be envious of people who had sex, and as a result, I suffered. With time, my ego has been diminished though, so now, I do not become as envious when other people have sex any longer. By thinking logically, I can instead realize that most of the sex people have is non-reproductive and biologically meaningless. The success associated with having sex is therefore mostly a social construct – it is not objective.

In regards to knowledge, I want to know as much as possible. I therefore cannot relate to the statement that knowledge would bring discomfort. For instance, I am thankful that I took the blackpill, because by its knowledge, I destroyed my delusions and recognized the brutal truth that I already intuitively knew deep inside. The more knowledgeable I have became, the more predictable have other people become to me. Knowledge is therefore clearly advantageous.

What you call “love for characters”, I would call likability. You might like another person for the personality, but if that person changed the personality to the worse, you would stop liking that person. It is therefore not love. Similarly, you might like your parents as long as they provide for you financially and give you a houseroom, but if they kicked you out, you would stop liking them. It is therefore not love.

If you were really well read and high iq you'd know that idealistic 'copes' are for many people a source of pleasure in themselves. Love doesn't exist in any empirical sense, yet this doesn't matter to the subject who claims to have had experienced it didn't derive sublime pleasure from that brief moment he though he had it. Try and 'blackpill' him by pointing out 'it's just chemicals in brains' he'd either cling to his cope even harder, or feel disappointed -- a part of enjoyment would be lost -- human desire is structured through fantasy and people derive immense pleasure by chasing that ineffable surplus thing that keeps appearing and dissapearing on the horizon.

A true nihilist perspective would be that the popularity of 'idealistic concepts' attests to the strength of their attraction.

No. People who claim to have experienced love have not actually done that. People only claim and delude themselves that they are in love, because 1) they have been socialized to do so, and 2) they want to make other people envious of their love, which is fake, because people are inherently sadistic due to their death drive.

In reality, the only thing one can feel is selfish physical lust though. Females do not love Chad. They only like to use him as their personal sex object in order to satisfy their own selfish physical lust. The same is true for men in relation to females.

You cannot derive any pleasure from fantasy. For instance, I like steak. I cannot derive any pleasure by just fantasizing about eating it though. I can imagine the pleasure, but I cannot feel it unless I actually eat the steak. The same is true for love. You can delude yourself how much you want about that you feel love, but you will still never actually feel it, regardless of whether you admit that it is a delusion or not.

@Fontaine??

At least OP is a bit smarter than Mensa, if not he's holding back on his usual narcissism in this post

I think that @MENSA_IQcel also was an alt of @Fontaine, along with OP.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I disagree with the statement that desire, which is what makes us seeking knowledge, sex and physical satisfaction, would be a bad thing though. Without desire, we would just be completely apathetic and robotic, which is not desirable. The black hole inside us would be ubiquitous.

For instance, I like having a libido, because due to it, I can enjoy masturbation twice to thrice a week, even though sex with a female would be better. It gives me temporary distraction from the black hole inside me. I would not wish to become asexual, because then I would neither enjoy masturbation or real sex, if I would get the chance to have it. Instead, I wish that my libido were higher.

Tbh I can't relate to this, I wish my libido would disappear forever. For me it's a daily nuisance which prevents me from focusing on copes which I actually can enjoy in full. It's also a constant reminder of my own inadequacy, status as a low value male, and how divorced my experiences are from those of others.

Whatever distraction it provides me isn't worth it.

The suffering does not come from the desire itself, but from the ego. Before, I used to be envious of people who had sex, and as a result, I suffered. With time, my ego has been diminished though, so now, I do not become as envious when other people have sex any longer.

I would say that there is suffering inherently present within the desire itself. Think about not being able to masturbate, regardless of the cause, having an urge which you can't relive produces suffering. It's negative value being reduced, not positive value being created.

Although I actually agree that feelings like envy and alienation cause most of the pain for us, and they're extremely strong for me.

By thinking logically, I can instead realize that most of the sex people have is non-reproductive and biologically meaningless. The success associated with having sex is therefore mostly a social construct – it is not objective.

Reproductive success isn't really objective either. What defines success is determined by humans, and reproductive success being objective implies that there is any purpose or value in the process of life, that is apart from what we choose to grant it at least. There is no way to succeed at an unconscious process which has no goal, the idea of a goal is constructed by people as their own biology tortures them into pursuing it.

 

[Deleted member 19546]

Has people's attention spans degraded this much on this forum lol

Low attention span is a big symptom of sexual frustration.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

No. People who claim to have experienced love have not actually done that. People only claim and delude themselves that they are in love, because 1) they have been socialized to do so, and 2) they want to make other people envious of their love, which is fake, because people are inherently sadistic due to their death drive.

In reality, the only thing one can feel is selfish physical lust though. Females do not love Chad. They only like to use him as their personal sex object in order to satisfy their own selfish physical lust. The same is true for men in relation to females.

You cannot derive any pleasure from fantasy. For instance, I like steak. I cannot derive any pleasure by just fantasizing about eating it though. I can imagine the pleasure, but I cannot feel it unless I actually eat the steak. The same is true for love. You can delude yourself how much you want about that you feel love, but you will still never actually feel it, regardless of whether you admit that it is a delusion or not.

If you were really a 'blackpilled' nihilist as you want to be, you'd probably know that there is not 'truth' or 'objective reality' when taking a nihilist pov, only PERSPECTIVES, as Nietzsche puts it. What you desrcibe as 'reality' is already comprehended in imaginative frameworks --- primarily human LANGUAGE, which is entirely a cultural product, that has to be learned. When you learn language you are already being SOCIALIZED.

Nietzsche was interested in human psychology which is shaped by cultural and social factors rather than unalloyed instincts, any explanation of sexual desires that does not take social factors into account is useless.

 

[OwlGod]

the average nihilist here is scared to leave his house

 

[Mahmood-Silver]

Nihilism = Not a Chad.

 

[Deleted member 34301]

I'm my opinion if you haven't studied philosophy academically you are better off not having a philosophical orientation. Maybe the exception is if it's a political philosophy. Else it's basically a meme