Computer Science students - what do you spend all day learning? I taught myself in 3 months and I know more than you do.

[Knajjd]

And don't go on about data structures. Takes like 3 days to learn how to use a linked list which is enough for every real life problem I've worked on so far.

I remember when I first sat in front of a command line. Took me 30 min to learn the basics of vim and by the end of the day I was writing shell scripts and simple C programs.

Why does it take 3 or 4 years to learn what I could teach someone in a couple of weeks?

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

@Transcended Trucel on suicide watch

 

[Newton the 2nd]

And don't go on about data structures. Takes like 3 days to learn how to use a linked list which is enough for every real life problem I've worked on so far.

I remember when I first sat in front of a command line. Took me 30 min to learn the basics of vim and by the end of the day I was writing shell scripts and simple C programs.

Why does it take 3 or 4 years to learn what I could teach someone in a couple of weeks?

High iq mogger but i agree cs isnt hard

 

[weaselbomber]

Other than actual programming, in my uni we have calculus, statistics, electronics, certain variants of physics, even some hardware stuff, but it's just fluff that I don't think I'll ever use. I'm only in it because I'm interested in the field and because I think a degree would help me find employment. Since I'm not a foid, it'll take me a bit more effort.

 

[Animecel2D]

I think they learn computer science. Idk

 

[Caesercel]

Teach me

 

[wereq]

Brag thread.

 

[Knajjd]

Teach me

Would take 4 hours a day , 5 days a week, for two weeks with you sat in front of a laptop and me sat next to you.

Brag thread.

No it's reality. And reality is what an Incel has to have.

Try it. 30 min to learn vim. Only half a dozen commands to learn. Go on ,try it and tell me it's not true. Why do I have to be super high IQ to learn vim in 30 min and the rest of the day to write bash scripts?

You're being misled by universities if you are spending 3/4 years doing a CS degree. Probably same for all degrees including medicine.

 

[Knajjd]

High iq mogger but i agree cs isnt hard

I'm not high IQ. I know how to learn though.

 

[Caesercel]

me sat next to you.

I can arrange everything except this

 

[damagedbaffled]

How did you teach yourself?

 

[Knajjd]

Not to mention someone who has a college degree is going to know much more about those topics I’ve listed than a self-learner. A lot of people who learn multithreading don’t known about the dining philosophers problem nor concurrency issues. A lot of people who learn SQL don’t know how SQL injections can fuck up their code.

Big deal concurrency. Don't forget you're talking to a real programmer here who can see through the bullshit. Big words mean nothing.

The first rule of concurrency is don't use it. Better to put tasks on a list and execute one at time. And don't tell me I'm wrong because I was tasked to fix a large system with screen hangs (dead and live locks) and bad data (race conditions). I rewrote the whole lot taking out all the concurrency crap using a list.

SQL injections? lol big deal. Insert, delete, update statements take 1 hour to learn. Select statements take longer but so what. The basics take a couple of hours and then you;ll learn on the job.

 

[Lonelyus]

And don't go on about data structures. Takes like 3 days to learn how to use a linked list which is enough for every real life problem I've worked on so far.

I remember when I first sat in front of a command line. Took me 30 min to learn the basics of vim and by the end of the day I was writing shell scripts and simple C programs.

Why does it take 3 or 4 years to learn what I could teach someone in a couple of weeks?

You probably need to go on 4 year codeschool before you can join a code business even tho you know this shit beforehand, Retarded worker rules

 

[Caesercel]

Teach me

.

 

[Knajjd]

Don’t be silly, everyone who watches a few online tutorials thinks this because they’re unfamiliar with the sheer breadth of content covered in a computer science degree program and think writing simple programs and if loops is all there is. Of course you can learn a linked list in a few days; it’s just data structures is far more than reversing a linked list.


This is all I’ve learned in just a few courses:

Multivariable Calculus
Linear Algebra
C++
Java
SQL
CSS, HTML, Javascript
Concurrent Programming
Networking
Probability
Combinatorics
Graph Algorithms (AVL trees, Splay trees)
Hash Tables
Runtime Analysis and Master Theorem
Greedy Algorithms
Dynamic Programming
NP-Completeness
Max Flow / Min Cut
Searching and Sorting Algorithms
Stable Matching Algorithms
Minmax Algorithm
Naive Bayes Classifiers
Decision Trees
Fuzzy Logic
Neural Networks
Proofs and a lil bit of Number Theory

Not to mention they’re going to assign heavy projects in these classes so you’re going to be much more well practiced than a self-learner. I’ve had to write down image processing algorithms in my C++ class.

JavaScript, HTML lol.

Searching and sorting? Searching a linked list is simple and sorting is trivial ! I know linked lists and variants inside out. I don't need any other data structure. Arrays and maps are often more than enough.

Naive Bayes Classifiers? What's that. I worked on a real life project that used Bayes's Theorem if that's what you mean. I taught myself what I needed in a couple of days, again on the job. Couple of dozen lines was enough.

You're list is worthless. I can do any of that now that I taught myself the core in 3 months. I don't want to learn C++ and I learn't Java very quickly on the job. I even used polymorphism in my for loops which I never see others do.

I'm not impressed at all. I call out BULLSHIT. You are making yourself look clever.

 

[Knajjd]

I didn’t use any big words.

You also conflated “Computer Science” with “programming”. You don’t need a computer science degree to do programming, many programmers are physics majors. I don’t know about software engineering since I haven’t worked there yet but if you think your entire work can be taught within 3-4 weeks you must not have a lot of respect for your own profession.

Regardless, to state that someone who teaches themself in 3-4 weeks knows more than a computer science student is absolutely false. The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to learn all those topics from coding an AVL tree a to naive bayes classifier while understanding the theory and applications of both within 3-4 weeks.

It's not false. It's true. Why would I need to code an AVL tree? I've never seen or used one in real life.

Don't you think someone who can code in C and uses linked lists could use an AVL tree? Tell me me instance, in real life working job, where you used it?

You can't fool me. I know my job. I'm an Incel and have to hone my skills to make money.

Tell me. Does it take longer than 30 min to learn vim? After half a day would I be able to learn enough Bash to learn on the job.

And you're right, I don't think much of other programmers. I've had to fix enough of their crap.

 

[Knajjd]

I didn’t use any big words.

You also conflated “Computer Science” with “programming”. You don’t need a computer science degree to do programming, many programmers are physics majors. I don’t know about software engineering since I haven’t worked there yet but if you think your entire work can be taught within 3-4 weeks you must not have a lot of respect for your own profession.

Regardless, to state that someone who teaches themself in 3-4 weeks knows more than a computer science student is absolutely false. The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to learn all those topics from coding an AVL tree a to naive bayes classifier while understanding the theory and applications of both within 3-4 weeks.

Software engineers, computer scientist, coders are all computer programmers. We write programs that sit on a disk waiting to run in RAM. And that's it. RAM, DISK, NETWORK CARD and a fucking CPU to run the crap.

 

[Knajjd]

.

Are you really serious? Are you UKcel?

 

[Knajjd]

Worthless? You’re confusing what’s useful for your programming job and what’s useful in general. How can a linked list or an array be enough for everything? How does Google Maps find a route between two places?

Everything I stated has a real-world application. If you want to be an innovator or want to understand everything from Teslas autopilot system to your washing machines firmware then all that knowledge will be useful. And you can’t learn those things at a non-superficial level in 3 months. Otherwise, if you’re just looking to wageslave for some tech company then whatever you’re doing should be enough.

Google maps. How many programmer work on Google maps? UNIX version 7 only used an fixed array, no linked lists. If an OS can be written with arrays most other problems can be solved with a list.

Bill Gates made his billions with a doubly linked list when he wrote Word.

 

[Knajjd]

Computer science is different from software engineering. People equate the two because many computer science majors become software engineers, and for good reason.

No there is no difference. Give me precise details about what I'm missing?

I've got three years working on mostly telecom code. Tell me what I'm missing? Tell me how network programming using computer science differs from s/w eng?

 

[based_meme]

Why does it take 3 or 4 years to learn what I could teach someone in a couple of weeks?

Because computer programming is naturally unintuitive for humans. In real life we don't think, act, or communicate in the discrete and monotonous steps it takes a computer to do things. We use heuristics and probabilistic reasoning to make best estimated guesses and fill in blanks with something reasonable and to be expected. They are extremely effective for what we need them for (also resource cost effective), and they're based on the models that our brains develop to solve the typical types of problems we encounter (completely alien from something like a standard sorting problem). If our heuristic gives us a false result, then our models use the new data to adjust them and this is how we learn.

And also because you're a natural and can think in systems and partitions better than others.

 

[Knajjd]

Everything I stated has a real-world application. If you want to be an innovator or want to understand everything from Teslas autopilot system to your washing machines firmware then all that knowledge will be useful. And you can’t learn those things at a non-superficial level in 3 months. Otherwise, if you’re just looking to wageslave for some tech company then whatever you’re doing should be enough.

I learnt in week 3 how to code a controller. Not much to do. Simple. Send data to a register, send commands to another register. Anyone with a Raspberry Pi knows how to program a contrller to run a washing machine. How many people work on self driving at Tesla. Still I bet I could work on the team cause I know the basics inside out.

 

[Knajjd]

Because computer programming is naturally unintuitive for humans. In real life we don't think, act, or communicate in the discrete and monotonous steps it takes a computer to do things. We use heuristics and probabilistic reasoning to make best estimated guesses and fill in blanks with something reasonable and to be expected. They are extremely effective for what we need them for (also resource cost effective), and they're based on the models that our brains develop to solve the typical types of problems we encounter (completely alien from something like a standard sorting problem). If our heuristic gives us a false result, then our models use the new data to adjust them and this is how we learn.

And also because you're a natural and can think in systems and partitions better than others.

Real life has steps. Even food receipes have ingredients (data) and methods (processing). Humans repeat tasks (loops), we make decisions (if stmts) and so on.

I taught a 12 year old how to use awk in half a day and he understood. I taught someone Linux in a week who knew nothing about programming.


University is a con as is much in life. We've all been conned and I'm angry.

 

[Knajjd]

Computer science is an academic field that studies information, computation, algorithms, etc. It can even be considered as a subfield of math. This requires several years of study including a BS and a PhD to become an expert in.

Computer programming is writing code. Anyone can become a programmer and plenty of hobbyists start when they’re 12 years old.

Sure, you can get by in the industry only knowing programming but the reason why companies prefer graduates of computer science degree programs is because their familiarity with the theory and application of a wide range of algorithms means they’re often better at creatively coming up with algorithms and efficiently programming specific things a company needs than a self-learner who teaches himself things when he thinks he needs it.

Again with the algorithms.

Are you saying that someone who knows how to use variations of a linked list is unable to apply it to problems or think hmmm, maybe I need a graph or better yet just use sqlite which I've done many times. I've never once had to use anything other than an array, map, or linked list but I'm obviously aware of other structures because I browse the standard library docs which takes 5 min to teach someone to do.

And why the emphasis on efficiency. CPUs are as fast as fuck. I've seen operations servers in with dozens of cores running idle.

I've been told to work with recent graduates and teach them as they are useless. I won't do it though.

 

[based_meme]

Real life has steps. Even food receipes have ingredients (data) and methods (processing). Humans repeat tasks (loops), we make decisions (if stmts) and so on.

This is true, but unless we're told to do those steps without any thought (like for some menial factory job), we learn those steps through experimentation and trial and error, not to mention that it's never exactly the same 100% of the time (you can slight make changes that could turn out to be improvements), unlike a program that runs exactly the same way 100% of the time, with infinitesimally small differences (negligible) during runtimes based on hardware profiles.

I taught a 12 year old how to use awk in half a day and he understood. I taught someone Linux in a week who knew nothing about programming.

That's amazing tbh. You might have a knack for teaching as well. Or it could be that you found the perfect students with the right amount of motivation and aptitude.

University is a con as is much in life.

For the most part, yes. The bigger con, I think, is how prospective students are misled by others about university. Most of university is an absolute fucking waste of time and money. But since it's a business, it needs fresh batches of suckers to keep generating revenue.

We've all been conned and I'm angry.

Me too, brocel. There's a lot to be angry about.

 

[Knajjd]

Sure, you could work at Teslas autopilot team. You’d just be implementing the things the computer scientists have came up with into code.

I'll be using libraries that other people have written. What's the big deal about that? So they spend 10 years at a university writing it. They will be using other people's libraries before them. They will be using gcc for sure which they never wrote or even Linux.

I've always been using standard libraries. I take time to browse the libraries. I take time to study the Linux commands it comes bundled with. I reuse code.

It takes 5 mins to explain to someone what a library is and how to browse what's in there to see if anything can be used.

 

[Wolnir]

High iqcel but paid for a glowing name

 

[Knajjd]

That's amazing tbh. You might have a knack for teaching as well. Or it could be that you found the perfect students with the right amount of motivation and aptitude.

Me too, brocel. There's a lot to be angry about.

I taught him by Awk but setting up a text file called music.txt and each line had fields like song, genre and so on.

All I'm saying is that 3/4 years on a degree is not necessary. 3 months should do it if taught in a small class by someone with practical experience.

There is a lot to be angry about. We were conned. I've started with the water filter, no flouride toothpaste, simple body weight exercises, lost nearly 28 lbs, eating soups and good home cooking food and my thinking has improved and I see it bright and clear I've been conned and bullied and I'm not happy about it.

All these things I'm trying I've learnt from this website plus NoPorn, NoFa and the Blackpill of course. Why didn't anyone else tell me these things?

 

[Knajjd]

High iqcel but paid for a glowing name

Only to help support the site and give something back for all I've learnt here. Not for egoism I would have paid even if no fancy border.

 

[Wolnir]

Only to help support the site and give something back for all I've learnt here. Not for egoism I would have paid even if no fancy border.

Fair enough

 

[based_meme]

There is a lot to be angry about. We were conned. I've started with the water filter, no flouride toothpaste, simple body weight exercises, lost nearly 28 lbs, eating soups and good home cooking food and my thinking has improved and I see it bright and clear I've been conned and bullied and I'm not happy about it.

That's fucking great brocel.

Some might say your pineal gland has finally been decalcified. Others might say your "third eye" has been opened.

All these things I'm trying I've learnt from this website plus NoPorn, NoFa and the Blackpill of course. Why didn't anyone else tell me these things?

Do you truly want to know? Knowing the reasons will probably make you angrier.

 

[Caesercel]

Are you really serious? Are you UKcel?

I'm dedsrs. But forget about a personal meeting

 

[Knajjd]

Do you truly want to know?

Yes please.

 

[Knajjd]

How did you teach yourself?

@damagedbaffled
I did a "tip" when I joined. There is a post on how I taught myself. Bascially The C Programming Language in front of a keyboard while I typed in code, did the exercises and covered every chapter but Chapter 0 was key.

https://incels.is/threads/tip-7-global-codecels-may-find-work-from-home-jobs-on-jobserve-com.317280/

Also short ones here:
https://incels.is/threads/tip-2-a-s...rientation-relationships-for-codecels.316858/

https://incels.is/threads/tip-4-if-...k-at-the-learn-x-in-y-minutes-website.317026/

 

[Knajjd]

I'm dedsrs. But forget about a personal meeting

I might do a few posts next week on how to get started and the basics. It might help you and others. From there you should be able move forward on your own. I will tag you.

 

[based_meme]

Yes please.

It's to keep you ignorant, docile, dull, and susceptible to influence. It's to atomize you and keep you insulated from the greater whole - family, community, a sense of purpose. It's to make you dependent upon institutional systems that are designed to exploit and control you.

In short, it's to keep you under control. It's hard to control someone who thinks for himself and has a healthy mind and body. It's impossible to control someone who is all of those things, plus financially independent. And if someone is all of the above, and they have influence, and they have people to die for (family) or have people to die for them, then that person is outright dangerous to people who want control over others.

There's a lot more to this topic, and you may very well lose your sanity learning the truths behind these things. I'm giving you the extremely condensed footnotes. I still question if there's wisdom in getting black pilled on these things, since it can make you realize how absolutely powerless you are as simply one man and that can easily spiral into depressive nihilism.

 

[based_meme]

I might do a few posts next week on how to get started and the basics. It might help you and others. From there you should be able move forward on your own. I will tag you.

Tag me too, please. I fucking hate C, but I want to check if learning it your way will make me hate it less.

 

[Caesercel]

I might do a few posts next week on how to get started and the basics. It might help you and others. From there you should be able move forward on your own. I will tag you.

Thx.

 

[Savage]

I might do a few posts next week on how to get started and the basics. It might help you and others. From there you should be able move forward on your own. I will tag you.

i'd be interested too

 

[Knajjd]

It's to keep you ignorant, docile, dull, and susceptible to influence. It's to atomize you and keep you insulated from the greater whole - family, community, a sense of purpose. It's to make you dependent upon institutional systems that are designed to exploit and control you.

In short, it's to keep you under control. It's hard to control someone who thinks for himself and has a healthy mind and body. It's impossible to control someone who is all of those things, plus financially independent. And if someone is all of the above, and they have influence, and they have people to die for (family) or have people to die for them, then that person is outright dangerous to people who want control over others.

There's a lot more to this topic, and you may very well lose your sanity learning the truths behind these things. I'm giving you the extremely condensed footnotes. I still question if there's wisdom in getting black pilled on these things, since it can make you realize how absolutely powerless you are as simply one man and that can easily spiral into depressive nihilism.

Thank you kindly.

It's not right that treating humans like dogs and it is scary. The mind veers away from the awful truth. We've been conned.

 

[Knajjd]

i'd be interested too

Okay.

 

[wastedcodeine]

The real benefit of going to college for CS is the internships/placements you can get through the school. Otherwise it's a waste of time and money and you have to deal with leftist bullshit everyday

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

How did you teach yourself?

Use this site:

Sphere Online Judge (SPOJ)

SPOJ (Sphere Online Judge) is an online judge system with over 315,000 registered users and over 20000 problems. The solution to problems can be submitted in over 60 languages including C, C++, Java, Python, C#, Go, Haskell, Ocaml, and F#. SPOJ has a rapidly growing problem set/tasks available...

www.spoj.com

 

[Pixycel]

this nigga pays for incels.is

 

[SmhChan]

Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing. I sincerely hope you're a troll.

 

[ethniccel1]

And don't go on about data structures. Takes like 3 days to learn how to use a linked list which is enough for every real life problem I've worked on so far.

I remember when I first sat in front of a command line. Took me 30 min to learn the basics of vim and by the end of the day I was writing shell scripts and simple C programs.

Why does it take 3 or 4 years to learn what I could teach someone in a couple of weeks?

shieeet googling stuff is different to what the professors test in exams. They keep their questions secret i.e dont post on the internet and swap amongst themselves. You have to study hard for their stupid exams because its like a physics exam in the way they design. Example in physics they what the speed of a bullet after 500metres factoring in wind at 30° angle with a speed of 40mph, and gravity then due to air moisture giving the bullet resistance at 10newtons and all that shit. Now programm that stuff which means you need classes, loops, helpers, inheritance. All kinds of stuuf. They made it hard intentionally

Maths1, Maths2,statistics1,statistics2, electronics, networking, databases, advanced databases, AI, anyway the list goes on and shieeet. Lots of coursework

 

[Knajjd]

this nigga pays for incels.is

Yes it's true. I don't deny it. The reason being is to return something to the site in return for all the useful tips I've learnt from the based members.

 

[Glerforpus]

Kinda true tho, there probably is a lot of bullshit you “have” to learn even if it’s shit you’ll never use

 

[based_meme]

shieeet googling stuff is different to what the professors test in exams. They keep their questions secret i.e dont post on the internet and swap amongst themselves. You have to study hard for their stupid exams because its like a physics exam in the way they design. Example in physics they what the speed of a bullet after 500metres factoring in wind at 30° angle with a speed of 40mph, and gravity then due to air moisture giving the bullet resistance at 10newtons and all that shit. Now programm that stuff which means you need classes, loops, helpers, inheritance. All kinds of stuuf. They made it hard intentionally

Maths1, Maths2,statistics1,statistics2, electronics, networking, databases, advanced databases, AI, anyway the list goes on and shieeet. Lots of coursework

University education is meant to be comprehensive and cover a breadth of subjects spanning a wide area than what a vocational school would ever need to focus on. This is meant to encourage you to think about things in many ways, but the reality is that whenever you work you will work in an extremely narrow role that won't challenge you to think using the things you've learned. Unfortunately, university today is just a cash grab.

This is one of the sad realities of university education and why so many feel like it's been a waste. If I had to redo everything though, I'd still go to university.

 

[ethniccel1]

University education is meant to be comprehensive and cover a breadth of subjects spanning a wide area than what a vocational school would ever need to focus on. This is meant to encourage you to think about things in many ways, but the reality is that whenever you work you will work in an extremely narrow role that won't challenge you to think using the things you've learned. Unfortunately, university today is just a cash grab.

This is one of the sad realities of university education and why so many feel like it's been a waste. If I had to redo everything though, I'd still go to university.

I dont understand why Anglosphere cels pay large amounts to go to university. Just international student maxx theory.

Oshay Duke nJackson from USA studied medicine in Poland. In Germany uni is basicaly free, same in Denmark. The carribean got cheap unis with the same ciriculm as the Anglosphere i.e a recognised degree etc etc etc