[Serious] False accusations legalized in Canada Law (Toronto men beware!)

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BY DIANA DAVISON, Special to the Toronto Sun

On Nov. 25, in his Toronto Sun column (“We need to strengthen sex assault shield law”), Andre Marin claimed that he was “in a twilight zone” while debating my opposition to controversial Bill C-51 at a recent panel discussion.

Marin distorted the content of the debate by omitting the presence and arguments from the other panelist — distinguished defence lawyer Joseph Neuberger — and the event’s moderator, long time television/radio broadcaster and defamation lawyer Lorne Honickman.

It was easier for Marin to disparage me, a lowly civil rights activist, than it was to rebut the expert opinion from Neuberger that this bill will increase wrongful convictions.

The legislation under debate is widely seen as a response to Jian Ghomeshi’s acquittal on sexual assault charges. If passed, Bill C-51 will expand the definition of “prior sexual history” to include anything of a “sexual nature” and require the accused to disclose all text messages, or emails in their possession prior to trial.

Jian Ghomeshi, left, and his lawyer Marie Henein arrive at court in Toronto on Thursday, Jan. 8, 2015. (Nathan Denette/THE CANADIAN PRESS) Nathan Denette / THE CANADIAN PRESS
Supporters of this bill have dismissed it as mere “housekeeping” to bring the Criminal Code up to date with decisions already made in the Supreme Court. Those who oppose it, like Neuberger, have called it a “catastrophic” shift in rules of evidence that will increase wrongful convictions. Evidence directly related to the sex act in question would have to be disclosed in advance.

The debate was punctuated with the appropriate amount of vexation towards such dangerous legislation.

While Marin argued that the bill would not have blocked any evidence used in the Ghomeshi case, he failed to acknowledge the devastating effect of giving a complainant advance warning of contradictory evidence. As Neuberger repeatedly pointed out, the complainant would have legal counsel to assist in blocking those texts or emails from trial and, with time to plan, could “tailor their evidence” around the inconvenient messages.

Kadian Noble cries as she recounts an alleged sexual assault by Harvey Weinstein during a news conference in New York, Tuesday, Nov. 28, 2017. She alleges that Weinstein sexually assaulted her in 2014 during the Cannes Film Festival. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig) Seth Wenig / AP
The element of surprise is key to exposing lies under cross-examination but it can also expose flaws in memory. In cases of sexual assault, which Marin correctly noted usually have no witnesses, it is not just the complainant’s credibility that we need to test. As I pointed out in the debate, a complainant may honestly believe he or she is telling the truth but the evidence shows that memory to be unreliable.

I was amused to see Marin dismiss me as a “loudmouth,” but shocked he attributed quotations to me that were neither words I said nor representative of my position. I was accused of saying there was “data” and “lots of stuff out there” showing that false accusations were prolific. The only statistical assertion made was that false accusations are almost never prosecuted. Journalists who fabricate quotations don’t often suffer consequences either.

We don’t actually know the statistics for sexual assault or for false accusations. They are impossible to calculate with any certainty.

One thing that everyone agreed upon was that Justice William Horkins arrived at the correct decision in the Ghomeshi trial.



Perhaps Marin was right that I am a loudmouth but, if that’s what it takes to stop a bill that will send innocent men to prison, Marin’s flimsy character attack on me will not shut me up. As a member of the audience said, men are on “the front lines” hoping they don’t get wrongfully convicted while lawyers debate and say they will see how this “plays out” once the legislation is passed. It is not acceptable to send innocent men to jail waiting for Supreme Court to declare the new law unconstitutional.

Incredibly, Marin tried to bolster his position by quoting a tweet from Lena Dunham posted on August 4, asserting that women never lie about rape. Since then, Dunham has been forced to apologize for pronouncing that her colleague, Murray Miller, was falsely accused of sexual assault. While Dunham issued her apology under pressure, there is little doubt she continues to believe that Miller was falsely accused.


Things women do lie about: what they ate for lunch. Things women don't lie about: rape.​
— Lena Dunham (@lenadunham) August 4, 2017


Bill C-51 is dangerous legislation designed to satisfy what Joseph Neuberger called “the ire of certain members of our community.” We are lost in the sea of an online outrage industry. Concern for due process is at an all time low. The question now is whether or not our legal system will pass this bill and cave in to the demands of vigilante mobs who still can’t accept that Jian Ghomeshi was acquitted because he was innocent of the charges.
 
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I have said this before and I am saying it again: Being an incel is a blessing in disguise. Foids are not worth all the horrors that accompany them.

On the bright side, insane bullshit like this will make it more obvious to normies what the real nature of women actually is. You can also expect things to get a lot worse in the future as well. I am calling it now: In the future men accused of rape will be made responsible for proving they are innocent rather than the other way around. Women never side with men because they are purely self-serving. They don't care.
 
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I'm glad I don't live there.
 
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what the actual fuck
Any foid can accuse a man of sex crimes, and he will have no recourse to prove his innocence.
Canada is cucked.
Revenge of the ever-so-tolerant Liberal Toront foids who were angry that a brownskin Iranian celebrity host saved emails to prove his innocence.

Being an incel is a blessing in disguise.
Foids will cocktease in public, and accuse innocent men of street harassment. It's not limited to sex.
Sex is being tied as a weapon against men.

I'm glad I don't live there.
Coming to an American state near you! via Canadian feminist Anita Sarkeesian.
 
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Just when you thought canada couldnt get anymore cucked
 
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Holy shit man I better finish school fast and leave asap.
 
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Are women becoming more feminist in Toronto?
Dude everything is becoming more feminist. U of T gym literally told my buddy and I to fuck off because it was women only hours.I am literally lost for words.
 
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Dude everything is becoming more feminist. U of T gym literally told my buddy and I to fuck off because it was women only hours.I am literally lost for words.
At least you didn't tell him of your nightmares like this university student:
 
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At least you didn't tell him of your nightmares like this university student:
LOL. Dude the vid does not work. Can you inbox me another link? I am dying to see this shit.
 
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Can you please post a link to the actual bill?
 
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R. v Katsikaris, 2017 ONSC 3640 (CanLII)
http://canlii.ca/t/h4bhj
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT

[1] On November 18, 2015 Mr. Katsikaris attended at the Ryerson Medical Centre for a mental health assessment. Dr. Hogarth saw him. She became concerned about his stability. He became agitated and angry. Mr. Katsikiaris told her that police officers were trying to kill him. He specifically mentioned killing Paul Martin, the Chief of Durham Regional Police. In the course of her assessment Dr. Hogarth became concerned that there was a risk he would cause harm to others. She issued a Form 1 under the Mental Health Act. He was taken to St. Michael’s Hospital for a psychiatric assessment.

[2] Mr. Katsikaris was arrested and charged with threatening death. He was tried by Justice Bigelow of the Ontario Court of Justice. Justice Bigleow dismissed the charge. His Honour found that the Crown had not proven that the Mr. Katsikaris intended to threaten Chief Martin or that he meant that the threat be taken seriously.

[3] After the acquittal the Crown requested a common law peace bond. Justice Bigelow was concerned about the safety of Dr. Hogarth and Chief Martin. He explained that Mr. Katsikaris was simply required to stay away from them.
Can you please post a link to the actual bill?
https://nrlawyers.com/blog/2018/07/bill-c-51---evidence-in-sexual-assault-cases---a-direct-attack-on-the-right-to-make-full-answer-and.html
He was also accused of mischief against a woman who was likely a femstapo operative:
 
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Time for Canadian men to defect and leave the foids to the mercy of the rapefugee invaders.
 
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I have said this before and I am saying it again: Being an incel is a blessing in disguise. Foids are not worth all the horrors that accompany them.

On the bright side, insane bullshit like this will make it more obvious to normies what the real nature of women actually is. You can also expect things to get a lot worse in the future as well. I am calling it now: In the future men accused of rape will be made responsible for proving they are innocent rather than the other way around. Women never side with men because they are purely self-serving. They don't care.
In the future? That has been happening

Need cliffs on this new bs law
 
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If passed
Oh. So the bill hasn't passed yet. And could easily not pass too. Fix the title.

Damn, i hate clickbait like this. Reminds me of the "Russia legalizes wife beating" fake news bullshit.
 
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I may just be low IQ, this morning but I can't see the problem here. If they are forced to release all text messages, wouldn't that just allow a man to prove his innocence since you now have more evidence that she wanted the sexual encounter to happen?
 
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all dumbass foids in my college dream to live in the US and Canada. Now you know why
 
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I may just be low IQ, this morning but I can't see the problem here. If they are forced to release all text messages, wouldn't that just allow a man to prove his innocence since you now have more evidence that she wanted the sexual encounter to happen?
Men accused of rape usually already inprint the messages traded with the "victim". Now they'll have access to your legal privacy beyond the criminal case.
 
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Oh. So the bill hasn't passed yet. And could easily not pass too. Fix the title.

Damn, i hate clickbait like this. Reminds me of the "Russia legalizes wife beating" fake news bullshit.
 
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Trudeau Liberals passed the law w/o anyone knowing. Media blackout, until a falsely accused man knows that he is under the new law in court.
Oh, so it already passed.
It's over for canuckcels then.
Yea, I attempted to locate a news article, but it seems that there is a media blackout.
 
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I have said this before and I am saying it again: Being an incel is a blessing in disguise. Foids are not worth all the horrors that accompany them.

On the bright side, insane bullshit like this will make it more obvious to normies what the real nature of women actually is. You can also expect things to get a lot worse in the future as well. I am calling it now: In the future men accused of rape will be made responsible for proving they are innocent rather than the other way around. Women never side with men because they are purely self-serving. They don't care.
lol you think you need to have had sex with them to be at risk of being accused? Just being in the same room as them is enough now.
 
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Toronto femoids are more feminist....They will falsely accuse a man of rape when he is in another country!
 
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I may just be low IQ, this morning but I can't see the problem here. If they are forced to release all text messages, wouldn't that just allow a man to prove his innocence since you now have more evidence that she wanted the sexual encounter to happen?
Feminist Judge can now refuse this evidence to be used in a trial for a jury.
 
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