Theory Giving up your ideological principles for a foid partner is actually perfectly reasonable if you think about it

[RetardedChinlet]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

 

[Suicidal Loser]

You're forgetting that the foid will pass on her genetics, too. You should never compromise your ideology for a foid. That's a cuck move.
Also, you're forgetting that your child will most likely be an incel and suffer like you did too because of your inferior genetics.

 

[Draconian Times]

Also, you're forgetting that your child will most likely be an incel and suffer like you did too because of your inferior genetics.

The genes are not so inferior if they enable you to reproduce in the first place, yes?

If you're smart enough, you'll save up some money to afford cosmetic surgeries to your offspring.

 

[PLA1092]

What kind of ideological principles?

 

[RetardedChinlet]

What kind of ideological principles?

I was thinking about being conservative and pro-white in the modern West, which is deeply condemned by most young foids.

 

[Bedford Stye]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

I'd say ...your HABITS.....not ideology

 

[Chang Dragondick]

It's all based around just pretending, not actually giving it up.

 

[seikko]

Nah wouldn't trade it for a cheap foid

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Nah wouldn't trade it for a cheap foid

 

[K9Otaku]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

This is the big lie many people here mistake for the blackpill

You can't change your genetics, but you can change your genetically determined behavior. That is what culture is for.

What is the difference between us and savages from the stone age? We have the same genetics. The only difference is culture.

Christian monks changed the culture of Europe (from barbarian to modern). Yet they did not pass on their genes. What they did is that they passed on cultural material to their successors instead of passing on genetic material.

The same thing happened in Asia with Buddhist monks. No genes but a huge cultural legacy.

For humans, culture > genes.

@MarquisDeSade @suigintwo @JayGoptri @Fat Link @Tryna Ascend @felizhombre @LesscoBlob @nice_try

 

[nice_try]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

Passing on your genetics almost certainly won't help your ideals. Your kids can have completely different morals and ideologies than you have.
(See Arnold Schwarzenegger absolute giga chad american dream mogger, his son is a fat slob who is the complete opposite of his father)

If you want to give your ideology a voice and spread it, you have to do it yourself.

For humans, culture > genes.

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

No ideology besides the black pill.

 

[vidyacel]

This is the big lie many people here mistake for the blackpill

You can't change your genetics, but you can change your genetically determined behavior. That is what culture is for.

What is the difference between us and savages from the stone age? We have the same genetics. The only difference is culture.

Christian monks changed the culture of Europe (from barbarian to modern). Yet they did not pass on their genes. What they did is that they passed on cultural material to their successors instead of passing on genetic material.

The same thing happened in Asia with Buddhist monks. No genes but a huge cultural legacy.

For humans, culture > genes.

@MarquisDeSade @suigintwo @JayGoptri @Fat Link @Tryna Ascend @felizhombre @LesscoBlob @nice_try

Look at Mozart, he didn´t pass his genes.
But his legacy is Eternal, so long as humans exists.
He passed on his masterfully arranged piano music.. for the GREAT Listener...

 

[Friezacel]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

1. You are a loser and a pleaser if you change or give up your ideologies or hobbies

2. You shouldn't procreate as an incel

 

[LesscoBlob]

This is the big lie many people here mistake for the blackpill

You can't change your genetics, but you can change your genetically determined behavior. That is what culture is for.

What is the difference between us and savages from the stone age? We have the same genetics. The only difference is culture.

Christian monks changed the culture of Europe (from barbarian to modern). Yet they did not pass on their genes. What they did is that they passed on cultural material to their successors instead of passing on genetic material.

The same thing happened in Asia with Buddhist monks. No genes but a huge cultural legacy.

For humans, culture > genes.

@MarquisDeSade @suigintwo @JayGoptri @Fat Link @Tryna Ascend @felizhombre @LesscoBlob @nice_try

What is the point of passing on your genes if your children will have nothing in common with your values?

The retarded saying "BuT iT'lL bE mUh GeNeS aNyWaY" won't work with this, because your children can end up wanting nothing to do with you and if that continues, generations of "your genes" will not resemble you in any way. Even your mannerisms and other behavioural patterns genetically inherited can go away.

We can see that with cultural assimilation. Non-Whites in JewSA for example have absolutely nothing in common with the cultures that their parents immigrated from, and in a real world senario would never want to "go back to their roots".

Sure, a Christian Arab living in the West is "brown" and "Middle Eastern", but he has about as much common with most brown Middle-Easterners as a human with a plant. "I gUeSs ThEy'Re BoTh liFe FoRmS"

 

[K9Otaku]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

That is true, but only if you think in individualistic terms.

As soon as you bring in the fact that humans DO NOT live as isolated individuals, then you realize that : culture > genetics

 

[suigintwo]

One thing to note is that in the 4th century AD, there was a back and forth between Roman emporers who were Nicene and those who were "Arian". Many of the Germanic tribes in the frontier lands were converted by Emperor Constantius I who was an Arian Christian. The Goths, Vandals, Lombards and others often voluntarily converted because their warlord chieftans voluntary converted after receiving a visit from one of the Emporer's diplomats. So when the various Germanic tribes came into the collapsing Empire later that century and next to take over and set up their own fiefdoms, they were already Arian Christians. It was largely a strategic political move by Arian rulers, but this should still be interesting and relevant to us.

Main difference with Arian Christians is that they saw God the Son as subordinate to God the Father, and there's a specific reason they understood it this way.

Monks and missionaries would come later.

Arianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[suigintwo]

But yes, the main premise is that there is no reason to be nihilistic if you orient yourself upwards to some higher ideal and focus on transmitting ideas.

Both genes and ideas are information.

Ideas are expressed as the words and letters of Mankind.
Genes are the words and DNA the letters of the Demiurge.

 

[Sheogorath]

this is a thought experiment about something men tend to get insulted over

genetics > thoughts

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

Only if ideals are carried genetically and not memetically

 

[wei#3959]

That is true, but only if you think in individualistic terms.

As soon as you bring in the fact that humans DO NOT live as isolated individuals, then you realize that : culture > genetics

What if you just stay at home and browse is like me

 

[K9Otaku]

What if you just stay at home and browse is like me

This is a highly abnormal form of life for a human being. And an unsustainable one to boot. You need to be subsidized by some entity (parents, govt, church) in order to continue living like this. Only a small minority of humans can afford to live like this at any given time.

 

[K9Otaku]

Only if ideals are carried genetically and not memetically

That is exactly what I said above:

culture (= memetic material) > genes

 

[K9Otaku]

But yes, the main premise is that there is no reason to be nihilistic if you orient yourself upwards to some higher ideal and focus on transmitting ideas.

Both genes and ideas are information.

Ideas are expressed as the words and letters of Mankind.
Genes are the words and DNA the letters of the Demiurge.

Genes were the main means of information transmission (and buildup) until it gave rise to humans.

Since humans have started ruling this planet, linguistic material (i.e. memetic cultural material) has become the dominant means of information sharing and buildup. DNA plays second fiddle now, because it is so much slower than language.

 

[somniferum]

theres no guarantee your children will agree with you and even then theyll probably just realize how their dad being an incel has most likely ruined their lot in life kek

 

[wei#3959]

passing on your genetics with your temperament and furthering your bloodline will ultimately help your ideals way more than staying "based" while dying childless

just rape and stay based

 

[My Name Jeff]

I was thinking about being conservative and pro-white in the modern West, which is deeply condemned by most young foids.

I'd never date a foid if I had to give up being pro-white

I am white, I am not going to date a foid if I have to live in shame 24/7, I am not a cuckold.

fuck what the big media's say, every race is proud of their race and cultures, but the only one not allowed are whites? fuck that

we built and organized everything that is good about modern civilization, without us the native americans would still be chucking spears at each others deer skin teepees

 

[My Name Jeff]

theres no guarantee your children will agree with you and even then theyll probably just realize how their dad being an incel has most likely ruined their lot in life kek

and? you can always kick them out if it gets too bad

 

[felizhombre]

This is the big lie many people here mistake for the blackpill

You can't change your genetics, but you can change your genetically determined behavior. That is what culture is for.

What is the difference between us and savages from the stone age? We have the same genetics. The only difference is culture.

Christian monks changed the culture of Europe (from barbarian to modern). Yet they did not pass on their genes. What they did is that they passed on cultural material to their successors instead of passing on genetic material.

The same thing happened in Asia with Buddhist monks. No genes but a huge cultural legacy.

For humans, culture > genes.
based monkpilled

 

[Sheogorath]

and? you can always kick them out if it gets too bad

you'd still feel cucked for the resources you put in only to have some other man's memes foster inside them