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Blackpill If women cared about "muh perceived fighting success", super masculine guys, etc. why don't they have MMA fighters and boxers on their wall?

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Everyone knows women have pictures of pretty boy pop stars, actors, and male models on their walls, but never bodybuilders, or heavyweight boxers.

Only dudes (usually gymcels) have posters of MMA fighters, boxers, or bodybuilders.

And combat sports fans are like 99 percent male. There would be a lot more women following boxing or UFC if they were "turned on" by "fighting success".
 
cause these pop star guys are mostly 7-8~ while fighters are 5~ if given the choice between masculinemaxed fighter and prettyboy of same rating i think most of them would pick fighter
 
masculine chad will always mog effeminate prettyboy
 
They don't. They only care about facial aesthetics and height. The reasoning is because there is a higher chance of GL offspring which means a higher chance their offspring will also procreate etc etc etc. Pretty basic.
 
Cause with money chad can hire several bodyguards or a jew lawyer to put the mma guy in jail
 
combat sports are targeted to a male audience and most of those dudes aren't attractive, women don't care about fighting success anyway
 
Everyone knows women have pictures of pretty boy pop stars, actors, and male models on their walls, but never bodybuilders, or heavyweight boxers.

Only dudes (usually gymcels) have posters of MMA fighters, boxers, or bodybuilders.

And combat sports fans are like 99 percent male. There would be a lot more women following boxing or UFC if they were "turned on" by "fighting success".


good looking guys are masculine (meaning large skull, hunter eyes) but being masculine doesn't make you attractive

it's just one thing out of many required to get landwhale in 2019
 
Bodybuilders just look worse than models/celebs with a sixpack and visible muscles of normal size.
They overdo it, head-sized muscles just look grotesque.
 
cause these pop star guys are mostly 7-8~ while fighters are 5~ if given the choice between masculinemaxed fighter and prettyboy of same rating i think most of them would pick fighter
Good point :feelswhere:
 
I agree, at least concerning the face alone, I always held the thought female preference is biased towards a global aesthetic evaluation of the male face, than its inherent masculinity. While masculine features are prone to be recognized as good in a male face, it´s not always the case. I think that masculine traits, especially if they´re taken to the extreme or their sum surpasses a certain threshold, they create facial disharmony, in spite of the fact they offer the maximum functionality (skull resistance + advertisement of genetic quality).

Conversely, female traits have much more potential to produce a pleasant result in the appeal of a female face. What we would define a recessed jaw in a female, it might even look cute with the right facial traits compensating for that, or not unpleasant at all. It´s obvious there´s a loss of skull resistance as it´s not the highest priority in this case, indeed the most attractive female faces display a significant degree of neoteny.

Moreover, femoids know by instinct that a masculine male will react much worse to manipulation attempts than the run of the mill aesthetic chad, now coming even in a faggotized package to satisfy even more facets of the female public.
 
young girls believe in romantic love so they spend their time daydreaming about these pretty boys...
but if we talk about basic sexual attraction I think high T and GL males have an actual advantage.
 
Martial artists = coping volcels
 
If I can't have good looks I'd rather look intimidating than weak. At least it saves some of my dignity. I gymcel and MMA so I'm ready in case I get assaulted by normie scum they'd be in for a rude awakening.

5'5 rice manlet isn't weak... He been thru enough shit in his life from people that if you dare physically cross him you bet he'd whoop your ass...

I'm not doing it to attract foids. Its for my own protection against a society that hates me.
 
Fundamentally they would have pictures of soldiers & the like as well as military combatants who are skilled in all sorts of combat. Understood opening post though.

Martial artists = coping volcels

I would beg to disagree as it's self defence.
 
Fundamentally they would have pictures of soldiers & the like as well as military combatants who are skilled in all sorts of combat. Understood opening post though.



I would beg to disagree as it's self defence.
Cope. You can't defend yourself from a foid rape accusation with high kicks....I was just jk tbh. You're right
 
An organism with low levels of fluctuating asymmetry will tend to be successful in it´s life cycle. And low fluctuating asymmetry is a strong indicator of developmental stability.

Many people that are deep into weight-lifting or bodybuilding are probably lacking in complete and harmonious neurodevelopment.

People who are coping with endeavours such as blood sports and gym-ratting don´t need a well developed differentiation ability, reaction ability, rhythmic ability, balance ability and orientation ability. Nor do they need the same coordination and reflexes that a dancer or musician exhibits.

Muscle hypertrophy is not part of successful signaling theory in mating.
 
masculine chad will always mog effeminate prettyboy
Maybe when it comes to attracting post wall roasties, while the effeminate pretty boy will slay prime girls between the age of 14 - 18.
 
bottomline is
pedigree that signals genetic refinement matters more than muscles that don't have the ethereal tidiness/ prestige to them like having chad bone structure/ rare colored features like blue eyes, and a full head of hair and sharp features.
Maybe when it comes to attracting post wall roasties, while the effeminate pretty boy will slay prime girls between the age of 14 - 18.
the chad has to have some prettyboy features.
this place can be so reductionist. It needs to be both.
women don't wanna have a 6'5 tyrone more than a 5'8 zac efron.
 
I somewhat disagree with the premise here. The only femoids who have posters of guys on their wall as far as I know are teens & maybe young adults. They pin up actors and what not, in part, just to fit in. That doesn't mean they aren't secretly into tough guys and fighting machines.
 
All bodybuilders/powerlifters/fighters GFs/Wives are all ugly or fat usually, its usually an exception when they have a good looking woman.

Thing is most guys get into these things because they aren't good looking to begin with, and they have no self esteem and try to use one of these ways to boost self esteem.

Good looking guys don't need to do this, they can, but its not a requirement for them, they have sky high tier self esteem from decades of positive reinforcement, social success and constant attention from women.
 
women don't wanna have a 6'5 tyrone more than a 5'8 zac efron.
height > all

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cause these pop star guys are mostly 7-8~ while fighters are 5~ if given the choice between masculinemaxed fighter and prettyboy of same rating i think most of them would pick fighter
pop star guys are more desired because they already look like they are winning in life. women don't think we live in the age of dog vs dog anymore. it's the age of sophistication and strategy like a chess game.
if a guy has a good feature, say a refined jaw/ good facial features, and is white then they won the game more than any masculinemaxxed try-rone, or ethnic, or countryboy tier white.
The popstar guys signal they don't have to bust ass in the gym to assert their worth. They already have the essentials, and muscles are a lot to manage and ruin your health at the end of the day/ your life.
And the demeanor value boost of looking like you're lean muscle, rather than buff makes the physio-implication you're able to be dexterous rather than a roughneck. Makes you more able to rely on your mind/ superior reflexes than being an insecure guy who has shit reflexes and has to compensate with brute strength (women will make a little note that the shittier reflexes you have, or the things that make up for reflexes/ genetic size/ things that are basically subtle and unchangeable then the more of a worthless loser you started out as, so nonmalleable value/ the offhandarchy)
height > all

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height should not be underestimated but still, reductionist.
plus taylor lautner although having good features is still somewhat ethnic.
yes, his height does make him seem of low value to that particular valueset of girls but there's still a lot of girls down the line who would fuck a buffmax statusmaxed and pretty boy maxxed semi ethnic.
It just depends though. Those olive-white stacies in particular probably have seen a lot of action, and probably have a very superficialistic valueset. So the stacies will want to get dopamine from the novelty of being with a complete set.
Though it depends often where a girl is on the dopamine source pyramid.
A lot of girls these days if they are low self esteem will settle for the primal value lautner has.
Plus don't underestimate how that made them seem distinct to taylor lautner.
But yes the valueset of girls really does make things more exacting.
young girls believe in romantic love so they spend their time daydreaming about these pretty boys...
but if we talk about basic sexual attraction I think high T and GL males have an actual advantage.
yes they do believe in that.
women know that romantic love is just a reductionistic illusion though because it doesn't come without the guy wanting superficial value from her too which means that it's not necessarily as purely friendly/ harmonic/ compassionate as she wants.
There's the nitty gritty/ nuts and bolts of every relationship which has to do with exchange value.
Women though want to completely get that over and done with and skip on to their illusions.
Women are in high need of cuteness and delight in their lives, and they just strafe through black pill realities/ blackpillishly aware activities on a subconscious level.
Moreover, femoids know by instinct that a masculine male will react much worse to manipulation attempts than the run of the mill aesthetic chad, now coming even in a faggotized package to satisfy even more facets of the female public.
partially but I believe that they want it because they hate the masculine lifestyle of chads who would go to war for years without entertaining the girl. along with the dangerousness/ irritability of generically masculine men which makes women feel disconcerted. women go through cycles of wanting hot and sexy and dangerous/ unpredictable. it's all about the dopamine pendulum of extremes which primal desire is taken. but the problem is with masculinity as opposed to pop star hottie is that masculinity can be dangerous and not long lasting.
think of the beta provider. women want a sophisticated pretty boy guy with the right lifestyle that isn't relying on muscle-building for distinction from the public. those traits that are born-bolted are unchangeable, and the guy is safe and steady. they'd rather be bored in power with high pedigree male than endangered with masculine guy.
 
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Only dudes (usually gymcels) have posters of MMA fighters, boxers, or bodybuilders.
No bro I'm a gymcel and I have no posters posters are for girls and gays
 
Obviously that was a theory for gymcels to cope, when there really is no gym for your face, you are either born with good genes or die a loser.
They don't. They only care about facial aesthetics and height. The reasoning is because there is a higher chance of GL offspring which means a higher chance their offspring will also procreate etc etc etc. Pretty basic.
 
They've never met the prettyboys in real life. Besides, females are not interested in combat sports like you said, so they don't have the time to develop a one way bond with them through a kind of forced proximity (them watching the fighter fight or whatever).
 
MMA fighters and boxers possess learned skills that their offspring will not inherit. Therefore it’s irelevant. It’s all about immutable genetic traits that lend themselves to survival success.

Ask any girl on earth the following questions:

Tall guy or short guy?
Broad shoulders or narrow shoulders?
Large skull or small skull?
Large robust jaw or small fragile jaw
Robust browridge or gracile forehead?
Thick wrists of frail wrists?
Large hands or small hands?
Long arms or short arms?
Large torso or small torso?
Indicators of high test or indicators of low test?
Physically capable of murder or incapable of murder?


Every girl on earth will have the same answer to all these questions.. only question is whether or not it is a coincidence that these features that women select for also happen to Determine fighting success.. answer: it’s not a coincidence. Survival success and indicators of survival success are paramount to mate selection. survival success in males IS fighting success. The proof is sexual dimorphism itself. Would men have evolved to be large robust muscle bound killers if it didn’t lend itself to survival success? Men have evolved to be killing machines. Do you think the males of every other mammal species on earth are sexually selected based on fighting success, except for humans?

Fighting success is PARAMOUNT for sexual market value. Marriage market value aka betabuxx is another story. Just because you see a low fighting success guy with a fuckable girl does not necessarily mean that she likes him, or that her pussy gets wet for him, or that’s he wouldn’t leave him the second a larger version of him shows up.

No mercy. Mog or be mogged. Kill or be killed. That is the way of the jungle. The name of the game is genetic immortality. The offspring of Large high test killers are more likely to survive than the offspring of 5’2” narrow framed peanut skulled twinks. Will women still grant sexual access to low fighting success guys? Yes. For financial reasons / resources. Men serve 2 utilities for women: sperm quality and resources. part of their sexuality is to exploit their concealed ovulation and have consequence-free sex with men with lots of resources, regardless of the man’s genetic quality. The other part is to be impregnated by high quality sperm during peak fertility, regardless of the man’s resources. Its frowned upon to practice mate selection like that in modern times though. Women now have to settle for a man with an acceptable but compromising combination of sperm quality / resources.

As with everything else, exceptions exist. The existence of exceptions does not disprove the rule though.


Edit: being a pro fighter does increase your SMV though. A girl would pick a fighter over a normal guy, all things bein equal. But it’s similar to how they’ll pick a gymcel over a non gymcel all things being equal. It raises your SMV, but does not hold a candle to high quality genes. I.e. a foid would pick a scrawny tall broad shouldered guy over a manlet gymcel anyday. They’ll pick a naturally high fighting success guy over an artificially high fighting success guy. Genes > everything else
 
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They don't. They only care about facial aesthetics and height. The reasoning is because there is a higher chance of GL offspring which means a higher chance their offspring will also procreate etc etc etc. Pretty basic.
Makes no sense. There needs to be an initial priming, why chads are considered good looking in the first place. An evolutionary disadvantage in survival, that leads to offspring of foids without increased mating preference for chad to die off easier, causing the folllowing generations to carry less egalitarian attraction genes.

This process happened in (pre-) stone age times under natural circumstances. No MMA training for incelgruggs.
Facial male beauty is an indicator for bone strength and your natural hormonal setup. Broad attraction towards those came from alternative attraction patterns simply dying out in the long run.

Chadgrugg was naturally superior in these times.
 
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Only thing being a pretty boy ever got me is being told you're cute tehee by random women, like a puppy or something, primal lust is reserved for men who can put them in their place, fear and insecurity is lust for them
 
Makes no sense. There needs to be an initial priming, why chads are considered good looking in the first place. An evolutionary disadvantage in survival, that leads to offspring of foids without increased mating preference for chad to die off easier, causing the folllowing generations to carry less egalitarian attraction genes.

This process happened in (pre-) stone age times under natural circumstances. No MMA training for incelgruggs.
Facial male beauty is an indicator for bone strength and your natural hormonal setup. Broad attraction towards those came from alternative attraction patterns simply dying out in the long run.

Chadgrugg was naturally superior in these times.
Times have changed though. There are skinny lanklets that have good facial bones who get women left and right. Yes, there is truth in what you say that there is a primal urge to mate with the dominant men. But there is such thing as indoctrination of the youth by the media.

I know of some guys who look like they couldn't hurt a fly, but their facial bones are insane. They always have women after them. The only thing most women/girls care about now is facial aesthetics and height, both being equal but complimentary of each other. As explained in my former post, this is because of a high chance of healthy, goodlooking offspring, which almost guarantees that offspring will also reproduce.

Chads can be weak little lanklets, but it matters not because of their facial bones. Edit: in other words, "high fighting success" now a days means the ability to attract a mate consistently.
 
MMA fighters and boxers possess learned skills that their offspring will not inherit. Therefore it’s irelevant. It’s all about immutable genetic traits that lend themselves to survival success.

Ask any girl on earth the following questions:

Tall guy or short guy?
Broad shoulders or narrow shoulders?
Large skull or small skull?
Large robust jaw or small fragile jaw
Robust browridge or gracile forehead?
Thick wrists of frail wrists?
Large hands or small hands?
Long arms or short arms?
Large torso or small torso?
Indicators of high test or indicators of low test?
Physically capable of murder or incapable of murder?


Every girl on earth will have the same answer to all these questions.. only question is whether or not it is a coincidence that these features that women select for also happen to Determine fighting success.. answer: it’s not a coincidence. Survival success and indicators of survival success are paramount to mate selection. survival success in males IS fighting success. The proof is sexual dimorphism itself. Would men have evolved to be large robust muscle bound killers if it didn’t lend itself to survival success? Men have evolved to be killing machines. Do you think the males of every other mammal species on earth are sexually selected based on fighting success, except for humans?

Fighting success is PARAMOUNT for sexual market value. Marriage market value aka betabuxx is another story. Just because you see a low fighting success guy with a fuckable girl does not necessarily mean that she likes him, or that her pussy gets wet for him, or that’s he wouldn’t leave him the second a larger version of him shows up.

No mercy. Mog or be mogged. Kill or be killed. That is the way of the jungle. The name of the game is genetic immortality. The offspring of Large high test killers are more likely to survive than the offspring of 5’2” narrow framed peanut skulled twinks. Will women still grant sexual access to low fighting success guys? Yes. For financial reasons / resources. Men serve 2 utilities for women: sperm quality and resources. part of their sexuality is to exploit their concealed ovulation and have consequence-free sex with men with lots of resources, regardless of the man’s genetic quality. The other part is to be impregnated by high quality sperm during peak fertility, regardless of the man’s resources. Its frowned upon to practice mate selection like that in modern times though. Women now have to settle for a man with an acceptable but compromising combination of sperm quality / resources.

As with everything else, exceptions exist. The existence of exceptions does not disprove the rule though.


Edit: being a pro fighter does increase your SMV though. A girl would pick a fighter over a normal guy, all things bein equal. But it’s similar to how they’ll pick a gymcel over a non gymcel all things being equal. It raises your SMV, but does not hold a candle to high quality genes. I.e. a foid would pick a scrawny tall broad shouldered guy over a manlet gymcel anyday. They’ll pick a naturally high fighting success guy over an artificially high fighting success guy. Genes > everything else
Great post. People really can't comprehend what perceived fighting success represents/actually is.
 
Most mma fighters/boxers/etc are barely normie on looks, they cope with bodybuilding because they aren't attractive, otherwise they would be banging girls and not lifting heavy objects.

Fit Chad>Unfit Chad that's pretty logic also, bodybuilders aren't attractive that's true, because back in time no one in nature just started to lift heavy objects with no reason whatsoever, bodybuilding is another modern cope and degeneracy, go hunt boars if you want to "bodybuild".
 
I agree with you man, girls care more about face and style than muscular body. Porn for women usually includes two pretty boys, and for gay men - two muscular, high t chads.
 
Females care about looks and thats it, nothing else
 
Face and height >>>> Perceived fighting success
When a sub 8 male hits the gym or does martial arts, he will be accused for "overcompensating". If he is a manlet, he has "short man syndrome".
Pretty boys will always mog him to oblivion. Only if you are good-looking, gymmaxxing or MMAmaxxing will benefit you.
Chad lifts to complete the look. Subhumans lift to cope.
 
Anyone can be a mma fighter. Females want genetics, not things that are attainable.
 
I think that I'm done with trying to understand women, or their interests or their preferences.
 
they're all about the face (and height to some extend)
masculinity = square jaw
you could literally beat up chad and he still would be considered the dominant masculine one somehow (and it wouldn't work the other way around)
 
They don't. They only care about facial aesthetics and height. The reasoning is because there is a higher chance of GL offspring which means a higher chance their offspring will also procreate etc etc etc. Pretty basic.
Face and height >>>> Perceived fighting success
When a sub 8 male hits the gym or does martial arts, he will be accused for "overcompensating". If he is a manlet, he has "short man syndrome".
Pretty boys will always mog him to oblivion. Only if you are good-looking, gymmaxxing or MMAmaxxing will benefit you.
Chad lifts to complete the look. Subhumans lift to cope.
 
all they need is 7+ face and average height by country
 
Looks are glorified and dominate now because resources and protection(which most celebrity boxers and mma fighters can provide) are provided for by the government, police, military, etc. In any other era boxers and mma fighters would be gladiators fighting to the death for fame and glory. It's still true to this day(mma fighters and boxers are still celebrities at the end of the day) just less so compared to Chad celebrities. :blackpill:
 

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