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Discussion [HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL POST] - The Holocaust Did Happen, and it's Foolish to Deny

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As someone who deeply studied history, nothing has annoyed me more than holocaust denial. From whichever perspective one examines it, holocaust denial is stupid, irrational, and quite frankly, ideologically contradictory. If one is serious about National Socialism, they should argue in favor of that ideology, one tenant of which is racial Darwinism, and the outright rejection of Abrahamic slave morality. Assuming the Nazi's stayed true to their own ideology, there would be no reason for them to simply house the Jewish population, rather than exterminate them. When a Nazi denies the holocaust, he is unknowingly adhering to Classical Liberal ideology, they are confessing that the idea of unjustified killing of racial opponents is immoral, and seeking moral superiority through victimhood of a global conspiracy. How childish, I would expect such tactics from the Marxists, yet we see it more-so on the Far-Right. If historical facts get in the way of your ideological support, then pick a different ideology or seriously reconsider your moral framework.

We could talk all day about the evidence, but this horse has already been beat into ashes. The Nazis' own paperwork aligned almost perfectly with the estimations, both from Western-Allied sources and Soviet investigators. Nazis themselves admitted to the crimes, Nazi officials who were tortured espoused stories that perfectly coincided with those who weren't. Survivor testimony and camp evidence, along with census data from an array of independent sources can all be amalgamated to verify and document the holocaust. It happened. Holocaust Deniers often point to a few mishaps in the remembered details of survivors, such as accusations that the bodies were blue (when Zkylon B makes them turn red). These are very childish arguments, with any historical event, there's going to be some faulty memories, especially when trauma is involved. If these arguments were to be taken seriously then nearly any historical event could be deemed fake on a few accounts of inaccurate witnesses. Any criminal lawyer will tell you that.

I'm not against Incels arguing for National Socialism, I believe we should foster an open dialog where ideological duel is encouraged, but we have to stick to the facts, for without which we will descend onto the level of the freaks at IncelTears. I love you all so I mean this with the most noble intentions, so with all due respect, grow the fuck up.
 
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good post (did not read all) and good avi
 
I never got why people denied the holocaust if your a National Socialist surely you want it to happen and if not why? What is the benifit of denying historical fact?
 
Probably. I think a lot of SFcels are more interested in disproving specific details about it. Ironically, it would probably make his legacy shittier if he legitimately didn't follow through with what he said he planned to do, just makes him a pussy. :feelsjuice:
 
I dont like kikes, regardless of whether the holycaust happened or not
 
I never got why people denied the holocaust if your a National Socialist surely you want it to happen and if not why? What is the benifit of denying historical fact?
 
It's highly retarded to believe it didn't happen, I think some National Socialists just think it is exaggerated
 
Yes because kikes never lie and they are not at all known for being manipulative or deceitful…
Yeah, because that was the argument presented above. The fact that the entire investigative community in the world at the time and the Nazis' own paperwork admitted to the holocaust, doesn't mean it happened, why? Because some Jews lie. Solid argument buddy.
 
Yes because kikes never lie and they are not at all known for being manipulative or deceitful…
JFL at wishing death on kikes then denying holocaust @CruxGammata
 
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DNR, who the fuck cares about the holocaust all it has every done is given jews the immunity shield to do whatever they fuck they want including doing the same shit germans did to the sandniggers in Palestine
 
DNR, who the fuck cares about the holocaust all it has every done is given jews the immunity shield to do whatever they fuck they want including doing the same shit germans did to the sandniggers in Palestine
Ignored
 
Unlike Western Europe, the non-Jewish population in the Baltics and Soviet union did see the Holocaust with their own eyes. Their neighbors will be dragged out of their homes and hours later you could hear the sound of guns being fired in the woods.
 
As someone who deeply studied history
Read the Leuchter report, and then come back.

Ernst Zundel, who is not a nazi, also successfully debunked every single claim by "holocaust" proponents.

There are plenty interviews with Zundel and Leuchter on bitchute.

Several kike historians also came forward with the fraud. It's just like global warming... the academia invents a story and you can't criticize academia from without, but you can't join academia if you don't already agree with their story.

To keep it short, you can't cremate 6 gorillion people in 4.5 years using 30 coal-fired ovens... and then disappear with all the bones, teeth etc. Never to be seen again. All the while fooling the red cross who reported some ~250k kikes dead AND fooling the editors of the jewish encyclopedia who reported a similar post-war kike population in their 1948 edition. Also doing the holocaust thing in every camp that would later be liberated by the soviets, and in none of the camps that would later be liberated by the Americans, just by coincidence.

It simply does not happen like that.

The red khmer genocided some 3.5 million people 50 years ago and even today there are mass graves being found every couple months, warehouses full of bones in every village, and so on. That is what a genocide of millions look like.

You're not as well-studied as you think, op.

I'm not a nazi btw.
 
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Read the Leuchter report, and then come back.

Ernst Zundel, who is not a nazi, also successfully debunked every single claim by "holocaust" proponents.

Several kike historians also came forward with the fraud. It's just like global warming... the academia invents a story and you can't criticize academia from without, but you can't join academia if you don't already agree with their story.

To keep it short, you can't cremate 6 gorillion people in 4.5 years using 30 coal-fired ovens... and then disappear with all the bones, teeth etc. Never to be seen again. All the while fooling the red cross who reported some ~250k kikes dead AND fooling the editors of the jewish encyclopedia who reported a similar post-war kike population in their 1948 edition.

It simply does not happen like that.

I'm not a nazi btw.
No one ever claimed that 6 million people were cremated. That was just the most notable and memorable thing about it. Most Jews were shot and buried in the forests.
 
No one ever claimed that 6 million people were cremated. That was just the most notable and memorable thing about it. Most Jews were shot and buried in the forests.
Those mass graves were never found. Not even with modern ground-penetrating radar. Meanwhile all the mass graves of all other genocides in the world were already excavated or, at least, mapped.
 
Denying holocaust is quite a low iq thing ngl.
Whether you consider it good or not, or you dgaf, is a personal opinion, but it definitely happened.
 
Thinking it happened makes you blue pilled.
 
Yeah it definitely happened....to black people.
 
As someone who deeply studied history, nothing has annoyed me more than holocaust denial. From whichever perspective one examines it, holocaust denial is stupid, irrational, and quite frankly, ideologically contradictory. If one is serious about National Socialism, they should argue in favor of that ideology, one tenant of which is racial Darwinism, and the outright rejection of Abrahamic slave morality. Assuming the Nazi's stayed true to their own ideology, there would be no reason for them to simply house the Jewish population, rather than exterminate them. When a Nazi denies the holocaust, he is unknowingly adhering to Classical Liberal ideology, they are confessing that the idea of unjustified killing of racial opponents is immoral, and seeking moral superiority through victimhood of a global conspiracy. How childish, I would expect such tactics from the Marxists, yet we see it more-so on the Far-Right. If historical facts get in the way of your ideological support, then pick a different ideology or seriously reconsider your moral framework.

We could talk all day about the evidence, but this horse has already been beat into ashes. The Nazis' own paperwork aligned almost perfectly with the estimations, both from Western-Allied sources and Soviet investigators. Nazis themselves admitted to the crimes, Nazi officials who were tortured espoused stories that perfectly coincided with those who weren't. Survivor testimony and camp evidence, along with census data from an array of independent sources can all be amalgamated to verify and document the holocaust. It happened. Holocaust Deniers often point to a few mishaps in the remembered details of survivors, such as accusations that the bodies were blue (when Zkylon B makes them turn red). These are very childish arguments, with any historical event, there's going to be some faulty memories, especially when trauma is involved. If these arguments were to be taken seriously then nearly any historical event could be deemed fake on a few accounts of inaccurate witnesses. Any criminal lawyer will tell you that.

I'm not against Incels arguing for National Socialism, I believe we should foster an open dialog where ideological duel is encouraged, but we have to stick to the facts, for without which we will descend onto the level of the freaks at IncelTears. I love you all so I mean this with the most noble intentions, so with all due respect, grow the fuck up.
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on a more serious note, you are not an intellectual titan nor will you ever be, in fact i believe that noone on this forum save for maybe @GeckoBus and other insightful must read authors even begins to approach being an intellectual

[HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL POST] attention seeking much? this is not some kind of 20319 IQ realisation to make, and i don't believe it for the following reasons:
it's simple to slip a couple of fake papers into nazi vaults, especially in a warzone without sophisticated methods
easier to fabricate it/exaggerate it without easy mass communication

i personally do believe that the camps were real, but the number of people who died was much lesser and they were forced to labor, not exterminated

but stop larping as a 1000 iq man please nigga, it's gonna hurt when an actual 160IQ man comes along and shows you just how utterly retarded anyone like us is compared to him
 
I never got why people denied the holocaust if your a National Socialist surely you want it to happen and if not why? What is the benifit of denying historical fact?
This. It's funny when supposed nazis vehemently deny the holocaust when it's, without their knowledge, caused by them believing such a thing would be too evil for them to stomach. A true nazi would be proud that they slaughtered so many jews
 
The Tiananmen Square protests never took place.
 
I don't think people here actually believe that the holocaust didn't happen it's just edge posting tbh what is more worrying is how jews may or may not use holocaust for their victimhood.
 
This. It's funny when supposed nazis vehemently deny the holocaust when it's, without their knowledge, caused by them believing such a thing would be too evil for them to stomach. A true nazi would be proud that they slaughtered so many jews
This isn't true, we witness more evil things than the holocaust all the time in 2023.
 
No one denies that kikes weren't a target and weren't killed. But 6 million and gas chambers are a fucking lie
 
As someone who deeply studied history, nothing has annoyed me more than holocaust denial. From whichever perspective one examines it, holocaust denial is stupid, irrational, and quite frankly, ideologically contradictory. If one is serious about National Socialism, they should argue in favor of that ideology, one tenant of which is racial Darwinism, and the outright rejection of Abrahamic slave morality. Assuming the Nazi's stayed true to their own ideology, there would be no reason for them to simply house the Jewish population, rather than exterminate them. When a Nazi denies the holocaust, he is unknowingly adhering to Classical Liberal ideology, they are confessing that the idea of unjustified killing of racial opponents is immoral, and seeking moral superiority through victimhood of a global conspiracy. How childish, I would expect such tactics from the Marxists, yet we see it more-so on the Far-Right. If historical facts get in the way of your ideological support, then pick a different ideology or seriously reconsider your moral framework.

We could talk all day about the evidence, but this horse has already been beat into ashes. The Nazis' own paperwork aligned almost perfectly with the estimations, both from Western-Allied sources and Soviet investigators. Nazis themselves admitted to the crimes, Nazi officials who were tortured espoused stories that perfectly coincided with those who weren't. Survivor testimony and camp evidence, along with census data from an array of independent sources can all be amalgamated to verify and document the holocaust. It happened. Holocaust Deniers often point to a few mishaps in the remembered details of survivors, such as accusations that the bodies were blue (when Zkylon B makes them turn red). These are very childish arguments, with any historical event, there's going to be some faulty memories, especially when trauma is involved. If these arguments were to be taken seriously then nearly any historical event could be deemed fake on a few accounts of inaccurate witnesses. Any criminal lawyer will tell you that.

I'm not against Incels arguing for National Socialism, I believe we should foster an open dialog where ideological duel is encouraged, but we have to stick to the facts, for without which we will descend onto the level of the freaks at IncelTears. I love you all so I mean this with the most noble intentions, so with all due respect, grow the fuck up.
Retard nazis didnt finish the job

I could have been not born if they did their job correctly
 

View: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT81cx4mL/


This doesn't even cover the number changing from 6 million multiple times.

They lied about soap and lampshades, all the "evidence" consists of testimony and dumb shit like leftover shoes, and it's well known that the victors write history. There isn't even a documented order by Hitler...

I'm not saying it definitely didn't happen but to not even question the official narrative is toilet/normie levels of idiocy. As if there aren't legit reasons to doubt. It's also the only historical event which is illegal to deny jfl.
 
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If you think the winners (Jews and their nationalistic puppet whites) wouldn't lie about something like this I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell you.
 
Read the Leuchter report, and then come back.

Ernst Zundel, who is not a nazi, also successfully debunked every single claim by "holocaust" proponents.

There are plenty interviews with Zundel and Leuchter on bitchute.

Several kike historians also came forward with the fraud. It's just like global warming... the academia invents a story and you can't criticize academia from without, but you can't join academia if you don't already agree with their story.

To keep it short, you can't cremate 6 gorillion people in 4.5 years using 30 coal-fired ovens... and then disappear with all the bones, teeth etc. Never to be seen again. All the while fooling the red cross who reported some ~250k kikes dead AND fooling the editors of the jewish encyclopedia who reported a similar post-war kike population in their 1948 edition. Also doing the holocaust thing in every camp that would later be liberated by the soviets, and in none of the camps that would later be liberated by the Americans, just by coincidence.

It simply does not happen like that.

The red khmer genocided some 3.5 million people 50 years ago and even today there are mass graves being found every couple months, warehouses full of bones in every village, and so on. That is what a genocide of millions look like.

You're not as well-studied as you think, op.

I'm not a nazi btw.
I was about to ask OP whether he has studied the material claiming to the contrary before making his post.
 
It did happen, and it should happen again.
 
Lowest IQ thread in the history of everything.
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it happened and I unironically want to go to Poland to do guided tours trough all the concentration camps, specially the one where they have an exhibit of a huge pile of human hair and the extracted gold teeth
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When something is so undeniably true you need to have to lock up people that question it
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As someone who deeply studied history, nothing has annoyed me more than holocaust denial. From whichever perspective one examines it, holocaust denial is stupid, irrational, and quite frankly, ideologically contradictory.

So your profile pic is Noam Chomsky? That's.... very interesting.
 
OP is a rich Neocon and pro Western banking system. Of course, he's going to argue in favor of the official holocaust story.

DNR, who the fuck cares about the holocaust all it has every done is given jews the immunity shield to do whatever they fuck they want including doing the same shit germans did to the sandniggers in Palestine
It was the perfect precedent to have carte blanche in doing whatever you want to get Palestine.

Read the Leuchter report, and then come back.

Ernst Zundel, who is not a nazi, also successfully debunked every single claim by "holocaust" proponents.

There are plenty interviews with Zundel and Leuchter on bitchute.

Several kike historians also came forward with the fraud. It's just like global warming... the academia invents a story and you can't criticize academia from without, but you can't join academia if you don't already agree with their story.

To keep it short, you can't cremate 6 gorillion people in 4.5 years using 30 coal-fired ovens... and then disappear with all the bones, teeth etc. Never to be seen again. All the while fooling the red cross who reported some ~250k kikes dead AND fooling the editors of the jewish encyclopedia who reported a similar post-war kike population in their 1948 edition. Also doing the holocaust thing in every camp that would later be liberated by the soviets, and in none of the camps that would later be liberated by the Americans, just by coincidence.

It simply does not happen like that.

The red khmer genocided some 3.5 million people 50 years ago and even today there are mass graves being found every couple months, warehouses full of bones in every village, and so on. That is what a genocide of millions look like.

You're not as well-studied as you think, op.

I'm not a nazi btw.
Here we have someone actually intelligent.

The Jews were persecuted, killed, and sent to concentration camps for labor, certainly, but it was nowhere near six million. The true number of dead is probably closer to a few hundred thousand.

But the official story with the gas chambers and ovens?


View: https://youtu.be/GM-e46xdcUo


Thinking it happened makes you blue pilled.
No one denies that kikes weren't a target and weren't killed. But 6 million and gas chambers are a fucking lie
:yes:
 
OP is a rich Neocon and pro Western banking system. Of course, he's going to argue in favor of the official holocaust story.


It was the perfect precedent to have carte blanche in doing whatever you want to get Palestine.


Here we have someone actually intelligent.

The Jews were persecuted, killed, and sent to concentration camps for labor, certainly, but it was nowhere near six million. The true number of dead is probably closer to a few hundred thousand.

But the official story with the gas chambers and ovens?


View: https://youtu.be/GM-e46xdcUo




:yes:

kek
 
dnr this post either
 
Dnr calls himself "intellectual" - believes holocaust happened
 

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