[Blackpill] If you think your "want for validation" is biological rather than socialized, you aren't blackpilled.

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not sure what is your point OP? men and women clearly need both sex and validation, so you could say it is biological need. if you close them without other people for few years they will go crazy or at least a bit nutz in the head due to lack of validation.
Dude I'm not sure what your point is

1. No human concept is a "need", that's like saying "morality" is a need, we've yet to decide with absolute certainity which acts are completely immoral, throughout our history we keep going back and forth and creating new rules, things that were once immoral and now moral, and some things have switched multiple times throughout history (moral>immoral>moral)

No human concept is a "need"

2. Again its like guys like you are forgetting history, we have centuries worth of time periods of when men treated women as absolute property, raped, pillageds, married for political reasons, paid for brides, fathers sold daughters, etc

So were all these men of the past "starved of validation" and just feeling like going crazy because of it? JFL
 
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I never made that claim, I was talking not from the point of humans, but the point of an overall species and how it reacts to it's environment. We are programmed to pass on our genes no matter what, for the survival of the species, and sexual and environmental selection weed out the undesirable traits.
my point is that the process of evolution isn't moved forward by what individuals do for the sake of the species, it is moved forward by what they do for their own genes sake, evolution is a natural consequence of interpersonal competition between all genetic units. we feel the need to reproduce and have sex not to benefit the genes of our species as a whole, its to exclusively propagate the ones that we posses, evolution is not the goal, it is the outcome.
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I was talking not from the point of humans, but the point of an overall species and how it reacts to it's environment
not sure what you mean by this

humanity is the species were talking about here, unless you are talking about humans on an individual level in contrast to humanity in its entirety(species wide) if so refer to my post above.
 
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You guys need to listen to your higher IQ better, blkpillpresident.

YOUR DESIRE FOR SEX IS BIOLOGICAL, YOUR DESIRE FOR VALIDATION IS DUE TO SOCIALIZATION
Nothing wrong with that. It's true that men over the last 30-50 years have been socialised, maybe over-socialised to care excessively about female validation and the laws are reflecting this. We never used to cared to let women vote or work. We never used to cared about what women say or think. There was no such thing as "marital rape" until the 1990's. It's only in the last 100 years men are convincing women for sex, asking for consent and avoid upsetting them etc. Before they were de facto property of men or their fathers. Men have clearly been socialised in recent times to get validation from women. Now obviously men today like validation from women and this is today a precursor for sex and relationships, but this was NOT the case over 100 years ago or further back.
 
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1. Yes, and we are humans. Only humans have morality too, does that make it any less valuable or real? Inb4 "morality is stupid" or some nonsense like that
Do you ever think before you make arguments? Morality is also a social construct, a figment of imagination and a concept which only exists in the minds of humans. Morality changes from era to era, from place to place, you need to realise that MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE. It doesn't even exist in a sense because it's not a constant variable, it is always changing and adapting from society to society, from civilization to civilization.

2. I would argue the reason men are worshippers and pussy beggars is because most men are sex starved. We have not lived in a culture/society where the SMV of an average male have virtually ever been this low. It creates a supply and demand problem, combine that with out high sex drive and you have this mess..
If most men are "sex-starved", then shouldnt men pursue sex (rather than validation) in order to quench their sexual starvation?

It makes no sense to pursue validation in order to alleviate suffering in relation to sexual starvation.

3. Not every incel devalues females, i'd say its one big cope. If females had no value, why would we persue them?
Different men pursue women for different reasons.

Men who are blackpilled have abandoned their ego, consequently pursuing women not for their validation, but for their sexual and reproductive resources.

Only egoists (bluepillers) like yourself, care about validation and what a female actually thinks of them.

Ask yourself this, does chad devalue females? No. Why not you may ask? Because he doesn't get the short end of the stick.
People are inherently selfish, and they value/devalue things based on their objective benefit/cost to THEMSELVES.

Chad has no reason to devalue females, seeing as though he benefits from them. We have reason to devalue females because we dont obtain any benefit from them.

You cant expect chads and incels to treat women the same seeing as though women dont provide the same benefit/cost to chads and incels.

No you pretend to not value them as a defense mechanism. "Oh i didnt get rejected by women, i rejected them first!" Its the same cope MGTOW uses.
Listen you fucking low IQ retard, I value the sexual and reproductive resources which women possess, i dont value their validation.

This forum should really have an IQ-test to filter out stupid low-IQ fags like yourself, then you and 80% of the forum who is also low-IQ wouldn't even be on the forum, and we'd actually have intellectual discussions among the few high IQ members, instead of explaining basic concepts to plebs like you who think they're blackpilled when they're really not.

Men are just as shallow as women, only they have higher standards.
Once again, If you think this, you aren't blackpilled. The main premise of the blackpill (backed up by evolutionary biology/psychology) is that women are more shallow than men.
 
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Men who are blackpilled have abandoned their ego, consequently pursuing women not for their validation, but for their sexual and reproductive resources.
I bet chads don't even care about validation as long as they're getting sex. It would be a nice bonus for them to have but it's not their main priority. People like obama, michael moore, and brazilian cuclma might get a lot of validation from foids, but a chad "fuck boy" gets a thousand times more unpaid sex than them. I'd rather be the slayer chad that all the foids think is an asshole than a highly validated foid panderer.
 
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1. Do you ever think before you make arguments? Morality is also a social construct, a figment of imagination and a concept which only exists in the minds of humans. Morality changes from era to era, from place to place, you need to realise that MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE. It doesn't even exist in a sense because it's not a constant variable, it is always changing and adapting from society to society, from civilization to civilization.




2.Listen you fucking low IQ retard, I value the sexual and reproductive resources which women possess, i dont value their validation.

This forum should really have an IQ-test to filter out stupid low-IQ fags like yourself, then you and 80% of the forum who is also low-IQ wouldn't even be on the forum, and we'd actually have intellectual discussions among the few high IQ members, instead of explaining basic concepts to plebs like you who think they're blackpilled when they're really not.



3. Once again, If you think this, you aren't blackpilled. The main premise of the blackpill (backed up by evolutionary biology/psychology) is that women are more shallow than men.
1. I never said morality wasn't a social construct. But that doesnt make it any less valid or valuable. You cant even comprehend my argument yet you attack it. If everything that is a social construct is bad, maybe we should drop morality and i should come over and kill you and fuck your mother(hypothetical not a threat jfl)

2. I kinda agree with your argument in some ways and it was thought provoking to be honest. But resorting to call people low IQ retards because they dont immediately swallow your wordview just makes you look like a 4chan troll. This is what happens when you only debate in forums and lack experience.

3."The main premise of the blackpill (backed up by evolutionary biology/psychology) is that women are more shallow than men."
You don't get to decide what is the main premise of the blackpill, especially when you are wrong about it and take it out of your own ass.
I've never heard any blackpill channel or science talk about how women are more shallow than men. Maybe you lack the intellegence to see the difference between shallowness and STANDARDS.

Womens standards are outrageously high and ever increasing with hypergamy. That doesn't make them more shallow, just way more hypergamous.
Men care about looks just as much as women, the blackpill is that women have higher standards and alot of men won't make the cut.
A cows milk has value, a cows meat has value, the cow in of itself, as in the cow which is just an animal that exists (Cow #9999999"), doesn't have any value, sorry, it doesn't

Men valuing women's holes for pleasure and their reproductive capabilities is not the same thing as men valuing women
Does the same rule apply to you? Is there no intrinsic value to anything or any human? Do you have no value if you don't pay taxes?
Does a LDAR incel have the same value as a female with your logic? Should we start dehumanizing LDARcels?

If i don't have acces to a cow to milk, does that cow have no value?
Do women have no value because im not attractive enough to get said value?
Exactly, I don't get your point here, you treat others that treat you well, that makes perfect sense, also I think you are assuming Chad doesn't devalue females, I think its more like he pretends not to, we on the other hand have no reason to pretend, Chad pretends so he can keep peacefully enjoying his life, we don't get any enjoyment so there's no point in us pretending
Okay but you have to admit this is just an empty assumption on your part. But ask yourself, why would Chad not value a female?
She will bring sex, compansionship, a sense of female energy. Ying to the yang. Even if its only for Chad.
Humans have an intrinsic need for the opposite sex, which goes further than just sex. Why do you think so many here crave cuddles and affection, and not just sex?
Based on my experience, no, a lot of men are romantics, men care more about "love", "honor", etc than women, a guy will stick with a woman who he doesn't think is really attractive but is "good enough" based on "romantic feelings" and a "sense of honor", you are rarely seeing that shit with any woman
You need to watch more Chadfishing experiments. Women are equally as romantic and care about "love" "honor" etc when its with Chad. She will go above and beyond for Chad. She will write him book long texts about their "love" and how pure it is.
The reason you rarely see women being romantic and stuff is because they are Chadsexual. And very few men are Chad
Women's Chadsexuality is the fundamental pillar of blackpill.
 
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3."The main premise of the blackpill (backed up by evolutionary biology/psychology) is that women are more shallow than men."
You don't get to decide what is the main premise of the blackpill, especially when you are wrong about it and take it out of your own ass.
I've never heard any blackpill channel or science talk about how women are more shallow than men. Maybe you lack the intellegence to see the difference between shallowness and STANDARDS.

Womens standards are outrageously high and ever increasing with hypergamy. That doesn't make them more shallow, just way more hypergamous.
Men care about looks just as much as women, the blackpill is that women have higher standards and alot of men won't make the cut.
Dude you make no sense, there is no difference between a person's standards (applied to physical appearance/looks) and shallowness, because the application of standards to superficial characteristics (physical appearance, looks) IS THE DEFINITION OF SHALLOWNESS.

Women having higher standards for physical attractiveness (in relation to mate selection) than men, whilst at the same time being less shallow than men, makes no sense given the definition of shallowness.

So if women have higher looks threshold for men than that which men hold towards their female counterparts (according to the blackpill), then women are more shallow than men ACCORDING TO THE BLACKPILL
 
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Dude you make no sense, there is no difference between a person's standards (applied to physical appearance/looks) and shallowness, because the application of standards to superficial characteristics (physical appearance, looks) IS THE DEFINITION OF SHALLOWNESS.

Women having higher standards for physical attractiveness (in relation to mate selection) than men, whilst at the same time being less shallow than men, makes no sense given the definition of shallowness.

So if women have higher looks threshold for men than that which men hold towards their female counterparts (according to the blackpill), then women are more shallow than men ACCORDING TO THE BLACKPILL
No, its you messing up the definitions again, even tho its just semantics.
Shallowness = how much you are attracted to superficial things like looks for example.
Standard = what lookslevel pleases you

Men are easily physically attracted to women while women are not easily physically attracted to men. This doesn't mean men don't care about looks just as much, it just means we have a lower threshold of what we genuinely find attractive due to our difference in biology.
 
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Seeking validation could have possibly offered evolutionary advantages making the seeking for it an evolutionary successful and persiatent trait. There might be an overlap between mate and male group validation though.

Incels are far to hesitant to build systems with male validation. Maybe they would actually be content with prostitutes then.
 
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High IQ post. Men are discarded if they don't look like Chad. Females can makeupMaxx and if any normal life event happens to them, they are coddled with "oh my God you poor angel! I'll give you whatever you want hun! Keep slaying!". Men are pretty much told "that sucks man.oh well" or "lol you should just go die. Life isn't working for you."

This is why you see homeless people go crazy. No one talks to them or validates their existence so they go crazy and snap. Unwanted attention is better than no attention.
 
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Idgaf. I want a good life in general.
 
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Men are easily physically attracted to women while women are not easily physically attracted to men. This doesn't mean men don't care about looks just as much, it just means we have a lower threshold of what we genuinely find attractive due to our difference in biology.
That's incorrect, because before feminism non-chads were able to find relationships and fuck foids just fine. Rosties of today are as shallow as a baking pan. They would rather be with an abusive tyrone and neglect their looksmatches because they're selfish and fucked in the heads.
 
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That's incorrect, because before feminism non-chads were able to find relationships and fuck foids just fine. Rosties of today are as shallow as a baking pan. They would rather be with an abusive tyrone and neglect their looksmatches because they're selfish and fucked in the heads.
That doesn't go against anything i've ever said...
 
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I agree that It's real.I just don't crave it that much and if do,it's not from those who won't give it to me.
 
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This thread should be moved to “Must-Read Content”. @SergeantIncel
 
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Its high iq post,But we arent in caveman times dude,deal with it,the validation Is the only way now to gwt sex AND only Chad gets it,it's over :feelsrope:
Nowadays the prey Is not the prey,AND the hunters are not the hunters. It's like if zebras got bodyguards,laws protecting em from lions,AND the 90% lions were castrated and the rest were able to hunt zebras . That's my analogy to your post AND reality.
High iq analogy
Dude not sure you quite make sense.

1) sex is easy to get, anyone can just pay a hooker

2) LTR is really easy to get, anyone unless you're the elephant Man can get one

3) hooking up with a girl/cold approach / nightclub pick up / make out is hard to get because you have to demonstrate relative value, in a real time market, and then have that value validated.
4) you're point about how when we were oogga-booga cavemen doesn't really count, because we aren't a bunch of starving marvins anymore. Yes I agree in China and India you can get guys who are PSL 2 dating girls who are PSL 7, but that's cos the guys are rich and the girls are poor. Those guys have been SOCIALLY programmed from birth to avoid validation and cope.

5) you can't say validation in itself is not a biological concept. I agree validation from women might be a new concept, and you are right about the reasons, but if you make this soy cucked stupid society you can't really go back. It's the same way I would argue the need to compete and dominate is biological, but then go to any rice country and you will see clearly it's not, the guys don't give a shit. Point is what's biologically entrenched changes over generations, and social change accelerates it
 
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High iq analogy
Dude not sure you quite make sense.

1) sex is easy to get, anyone can just pay a hooker

2) LTR is really easy to get, anyone unless you're the elephant Man can get one

3) hooking up with a girl/cold approach / nightclub pick up / make out is hard to get because you have to demonstrate relative value, in a real time market, and then have that value validated.
How does a man have their value validated?

BY ACQUIRING SEX

VALIDATION
is just the pre-requisite to what we really want, SEX. So stop chasing the pre-requisite to the goal, chase the ACTUAL GOAL.

4) you're point about how when we were oogga-booga cavemen doesn't really count, because we aren't a bunch of starving marvins anymore. Yes I agree in China and India you can get guys who are PSL 2 dating girls who are PSL 7, but that's cos the guys are rich and the girls are poor. Those guys have been SOCIALLY programmed from birth to avoid validation and cope.
In the same way some men have been SOCIALLY PROGRAMMED TO AVOID VALIDATION, the only reason other men CHASE VALIDATION is due to SOCIAL CONDITIONING (seeking validation is NOT A BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE).

5) you can't say validation in itself is not a biological concept. I agree validation from women might be a new concept, and you are right about the reasons, but if you make this soy cucked stupid society you can't really go back. It's the same way I would argue the need to compete and dominate is biological, but then go to any rice country and you will see clearly it's not, the guys don't give a shit. Point is what's biologically entrenched changes over generations, and social change accelerates it
A biological concept is something related to a person's BODY. Validation is something which only exists in the MIND,

Validation can't provide any PHYSICAL fulfillment, it only provides MENTAL fulfillment (if you are an EGOIST), learn the definition of the word "biological" before making BS arguments.
 
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