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Serious Incel problems that need to be addressed: Associating female sluttiness with penetrative sex, teen love, the base system, and more.

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Incels constantly seem to both over-exaggerate and under-exaggerate female stuttiness these days in massive strides that ignore some pretty basic realities. The incelosphere, most posts and the majority of incel related content only focuses on sex in the sense of vaginal sex or "losing your virginity". Incels fail to realize that deep kissing, handjobs, blowjobs, getting fingered, fondled, and anything related to sexual nature falls on this spectrum of sexual intimacy and what it means to be properly sexually socialized, not just vaginal sex. Yes there are females that are virgins at 20 years old not 0.001% like some of you hyperbole obsessed people come up with, but a female that has never experienced anything listed above... um yeah that's close to 0. KHHV females are unicorns these days by the time they turn 18 if even any at all apart from having mental and or physical issues getting in the way of this. You incels need to realize that the end goal for many of you may be sex, but the majority of the population reaches sex at a pace most similar to the "base" system (1rst, 2nd, etc). I have friends and know of cases of guys that made out with girls and fondled them when they were 11-12, got a blowjob at 15, but never had sex until 20, WAY after highschool, NINE YEARS AFTER THEIR FIRST FEMALE CONTACT.

These markers are where people start, and why missing out on teen love is like being doomed from the start because it is about the experiencing the gradual synergy of the opposite sex and what it means to interact with the opposite sex. A 12 year old going to the movies and getting a kiss on the cheek at the end is far more than I have experienced yet a 21 year old guy doing this is beyond embarrassing and not worth saving. I might even throw out the word cucked. Teen love is about the novelty of sexual interaction and transitional long-term "foreplay" if you will, where both girls and guys are understanding what it means to be a member of their sex, and how to navigate sexuality without penetrative sex itself necessarily. Understand what I'm saying? When 2 adults fall in love, sex usually commences shortly after, but 2 teens in love for the first time may never experience sex with each other until months later after being with one-another because of the gradual buildup of sexual experiences like deep kissing, then fondling, then oral sex, ultimately fulfilling this gap of anticipation where penetrative sex may not even be vitally necessary in keeping the relationship close and exciting. This is how females get to 20 and remain virgins, they may have given out 10 blowjobs before the end of highschool but state in their personal lives "tee hee im still a virgin, I'm a good girl" because they aren't lying. Men that get to 21 like me and are KHHV are truly losers, the word has never been more apt. I could theoretically take a few hours and find an escort in my city and finally lose my virginity but I realize the futility in this endevour. Sex is not the end goal for us, it was the failure of female synergy that made us turn out this way, sex is only a consequence of this.

This is why when you are 20 as a KHHV outside of prostitution, it is so close to impossible to even dip your feet in the water of female experience yet alone knowing where to start, compared to "incels" who are simply virgins at 20 but have had a plethora of female experiences already. When an incel tries to pull the "I'm a virgin at 20 card", do not fall for this so easily. Ask them if they have ever experienced any sexual capacity with a female first. This is how it is for the majority of the population. If you are a KHHV this is my marker for what it means to be incel because a woman was interested enough to show sexual inclination towards you at some capacity on the spectrum. Hugging, kissing, fondling at the lower end of the spectrum, with penetrative sex at the latter end. To be incel in my opinion is the inclination to fall completely out of this spectrum.
 
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High IQ.

HAVING ANY SEXUAL FEMALE CONTACT = FAKECEL

This is why fakecel fags like @rightfulcel called himself Virgin because he got Blowjobs and Handjobs smh
 
Yeah, once you reach a certain age as a khhv, it's probably better to just try and accept it. There is nothing I can do to "fix" myself at this point, and short of someone not only giving me a chance, but helping me every step of the way(I'd have better luck with the lottery), I'm always going to be a pariah in this regard.
 
Foreplay after going on a date and kissing is suifuel and like another world which I will never experience.
 
Couldnt bo bothered to read it huh.
I kinda get what you're saying. That its kinda over if you did not have relationships in teens, early 20s since that time and experience won't come back. But the infatuation this site has with teenlove is stupid af. Most men in this world would never experience teenlove. And most of them will grow up to be sexually healthy adults.
 
could be condensed in to a shorter post tbh but I agree with what you're saying

how many guys actually spend the first 18 years of their life as KHHV, no physical touch whatsoever and go on to have healthy, normal relationships? probably like less than 10%
 
It still feels quite strange when I think about the fact that my lack of romantic/sexual experience with girls puts me apart from the vast majority of males my age. It’s like I can’t fully accept that I’m an outlier in this regard.
 
It still feels quite strange when I think about the fact that my lack of romantic/sexual experience with girls puts me apart from the vast majority of males my age. It’s like I can’t fully accept that I’m an outlier in this regard.
I don't even look at myself as a human being. Just a conscious entity inhabiting a meat sack, walking around and responding to stimuli.
 
could be condensed in to a shorter post tbh but I agree with what you're saying

how many guys actually spend the first 18 years of their life as KHHV, no physical touch whatsoever and go on to have healthy, normal relationships? probably like less than 10%
Less than 5% tbh. Being a KHHV at 18 is an absolute death sentence
 
OP, good luck trying to reason with people who are afraid of leaving the house.
 
OP just listed and explained why a lot of incels are pedocels in the first place
If you missed a biological milestone then you CAN NEVER RECOVER FROM IT!!

The 10-12yo girl has already had many makeout sessions. The 13yo has given handjobs to tons of boys. The 15yo is giving blowjobs behind the bleachers and there are no 18yo pure virgins in this day and age. They all take it up the ass at minimum and expect oral on the first date.

It's not hard that many men want to find their 'equal' in love. Their equal being a girl that hasn't had sexual experience because neither have we. Unfortunately, the only girls that have had literal 0 experience are 12 and under. So a guy wants a 12yo gf so they can share those moments with one another and experience the butterflies together and the anticipation and the buildup and hype of their first sexual penetrative sexual experience. IF YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE TEEN LOVE THEN YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS FORFEIT!
 
OP, good luck trying to reason with people who are afraid of leaving the house.
The fuck are you on about? Most incels here would agree with his reasoning at least on the signifigance of devloping experiences with teen love.
 
Less than 5% tbh. Being a KHHV at 18 is an absolute death sentence
OP just listed and explained why a lot of incels are pedocels in the first place
If you missed a biological milestone then you CAN NEVER RECOVER FROM IT!!

The 10-12yo girl has already had many makeout sessions. The 13yo has given handjobs to tons of boys. The 15yo is giving blowjobs behind the bleachers and there are no 18yo pure virgins in this day and age. They all take it up the ass at minimum and expect oral on the first date.

It's not hard that many men want to find their 'equal' in love. Their equal being a girl that hasn't had sexual experience because neither have we. Unfortunately, the only girls that have had literal 0 experience are 12 and under. So a guy wants a 12yo gf so they can share those moments with one another and experience the butterflies together and the anticipation and the buildup and hype of their first sexual penetrative sexual experience. IF YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE TEEN LOVE THEN YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS FORFEIT!
so brutal
Incels constantly seem to both over-exaggerate and under-exaggerate female stuttiness these days in massive strides that ignore some pretty basic realities. The incelosphere, most posts and the majority of incel related content only focuses on sex in the sense of vaginal sex or "losing your virginity". Incels fail to realize that deep kissing, handjobs, blowjobs, getting fingered, fondled, and anything related to sexual nature falls on this spectrum of sexual intimacy and what it means to be properly sexually socialized, not just vaginal sex. Yes there are females that are virgins at 20 years old not 0.001% like some of you hyperbole obsessed people come up with, but a female that has never experienced anything listed above... um yeah that's close to 0. KHHV females are unicorns these days by the time they turn 18 if even any at all apart from having mental and or physical issues getting in the way of this. You incels need to realize that the end goal for many of you may be sex, but the majority of the population reaches sex at a pace most similar to the "base" system (1rst, 2nd, etc). I have friends and know of cases of guys that made out with girls and fondled them when they were 11-12, got a blowjob at 15, but never had sex until 20, WAY after highschool, NINE YEARS AFTER THEIR FIRST FEMALE CONTACT.

These markers are where people start, and why missing out on teen love is like being doomed from the start because it is about the experiencing the gradual synergy of the opposite sex and what it means to interact with the opposite sex. A 12 year old going to the movies and getting a kiss on the cheek at the end is far more than I have experienced yet a 21 year old guy doing this is beyond embarrassing and not worth saving. I might even throw out the word cucked. Teen love is about the novelty of sexual interaction and transitional long-term "foreplay" if you will, where both girls and guys are understanding what it means to be a member of their sex, and how to navigate sexuality without penetrative sex itself necessarily. Understand what I'm saying? When 2 adults fall in love, sex usually commences shortly after, but 2 teens in love for the first time may never experience sex with each other until months later after being with one-another because of the gradual buildup of sexual experiences like deep kissing, then fondling, then oral sex, ultimately fulfilling this gap of anticipation where penetrative sex may not even be vitally necessary in keeping the relationship close and exciting. This is how females get to 20 and remain virgins, they may have given out 10 blowjobs before the end of highschool but state in their personal lives "tee hee im still a virgin, I'm a good girl" because they aren't lying. Men that get to 21 like me and are KHHV are truly losers, the word has never been more apt. I could theoretically take a few hours and find an escort in my city and finally lose my virginity but I realize the futility in this endevour. Sex is not the end goal for us, it was the failure of female synergy that made us turn out this way, sex is only a consequence of this.

This is why when you are 20 as a KHHV outside of prostitution, it is so close to impossible to even dip your feet in the water of female experience yet alone knowing where to start, compared to "incels" who are simply virgins at 20 but have had a plethora of female experiences already. When an incel tries to pull the "I'm a virgin at 20 card", do not fall for this so easily. Ask them if they have ever experienced any sexual capacity with a female first. This is how it is for the majority of the population. If you are a KHHV this is my marker for what it means to be incel because a woman was interested enough to show sexual inclination towards you at some capacity on the spectrum. Hugging, kissing, fondling at the lower end of the spectrum, with penetrative sex at the latter end. To be incel in my opinion is the inclination to fall completely out of this spectrum.
this you wrote is pure gold, to keep it in mind inside the skull walls
 
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good post, missing out on the formative sexual experiences as a teenager is just as crippling as missing out on regular socialisation with your peers, there's always a core building block that isn't there.
 
OP, you are arguing with nobody. Nobody is disagreeing with you because everyone knows all of this already. You are arguing against an imaginary opponent.

No one here believes that sex is a binary thing and that it doesn't exist on a sliding scale. I've never seen anyone make a post saying that a foid isn't a whore because she only gave blowjobs and handjobs. Also, a forum member who has had blowjobs and handjobs before would be immediately considered a fakecel. That shows that there is no obsession of penetrative sex as the be-all end-all of the matter.

In short, I've never heard of any incel associating sluttiness with only penetrative sex. And that's the main point your whole post is predicated on -- that incels do that, and shouldn't. Everyone agrees with that, but then again, nobody falls into that trap anyway.

What you say about teen love is precisely the orthodox view that 99% of this forum already subscribes to. We miss out on normal development milestones because we lack the experiences of a "first time" for male and female, the only time when a love can be pure That's obvious. No one here would disagree with the second paragraph.

And of course, sex is not the end goal. Otherwise we could just see escorts and our problems will be solved.

Your third paragraph's main point seems to be: Just because a man is a virgin doesn't mean that he's never had any sort of sexual experience, and therefore he should not be considered an incel on the basis of virginity alone. But I would say that this rule of thumb applies to 90% of cases. Someone who has had a blowjob or handjob is very likely to have had sex also. In any case, kissing and fondling is enough for people to call you a fakecel here, so that's not a big problem in any case.
 
I have like 18 year old kids call me pedo on here. I don't even know what goes through their minds. Possibly they are too young to understand that if they have not had sexual contact or a relationship by 18 they are already in the pit. You can't recreate teen love and affection just based on the facts that you only experience your teen years once. Also females will have anal oral vaginal any of the above by the time they are 18, so the blank slate only exists for young girls. I don't cope with trying to find anything fuckable because at that point I am buying a used sometimes low or high millage car, the only way to get a new one is to steal one.
 
OP just listed and explained why a lot of incels are pedocels in the first place
If you missed a biological milestone then you CAN NEVER RECOVER FROM IT!!

The 10-12yo girl has already had many makeout sessions. The 13yo has given handjobs to tons of boys. The 15yo is giving blowjobs behind the bleachers and there are no 18yo pure virgins in this day and age. They all take it up the ass at minimum and expect oral on the first date.

It's not hard that many men want to find their 'equal' in love. Their equal being a girl that hasn't had sexual experience because neither have we. Unfortunately, the only girls that have had literal 0 experience are 12 and under. So a guy wants a 12yo gf so they can share those moments with one another and experience the butterflies together and the anticipation and the buildup and hype of their first sexual penetrative sexual experience. IF YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE TEEN LOVE THEN YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS FORFEIT!
Ok pedocel
 
Couldnt bo bothered to read it huh.

Don't bother with him. he's just retarded.

But you're right. Incel problems definitely need to be addressed...and society wonders why there are so many school and wal-mart shootings across this country by men.
 
Incels constantly seem to both over-exaggerate and under-exaggerate female stuttiness these days in massive strides that ignore some pretty basic realities. The incelosphere, most posts and the majority of incel related content only focuses on sex in the sense of vaginal sex or "losing your virginity". Incels fail to realize that deep kissing, handjobs, blowjobs, getting fingered, fondled, and anything related to sexual nature falls on this spectrum of sexual intimacy and what it means to be properly sexually socialized, not just vaginal sex. Yes there are females that are virgins at 20 years old not 0.001% like some of you hyperbole obsessed people come up with, but a female that has never experienced anything listed above... um yeah that's close to 0. KHHV females are unicorns these days by the time they turn 18 if even any at all apart from having mental and or physical issues getting in the way of this. You incels need to realize that the end goal for many of you may be sex, but the majority of the population reaches sex at a pace most similar to the "base" system (1rst, 2nd, etc). I have friends and know of cases of guys that made out with girls and fondled them when they were 11-12, got a blowjob at 15, but never had sex until 20, WAY after highschool, NINE YEARS AFTER THEIR FIRST FEMALE CONTACT.

These markers are where people start, and why missing out on teen love is like being doomed from the start because it is about the experiencing the gradual synergy of the opposite sex and what it means to interact with the opposite sex. A 12 year old going to the movies and getting a kiss on the cheek at the end is far more than I have experienced yet a 21 year old guy doing this is beyond embarrassing and not worth saving. I might even throw out the word cucked. Teen love is about the novelty of sexual interaction and transitional long-term "foreplay" if you will, where both girls and guys are understanding what it means to be a member of their sex, and how to navigate sexuality without penetrative sex itself necessarily. Understand what I'm saying? When 2 adults fall in love, sex usually commences shortly after, but 2 teens in love for the first time may never experience sex with each other until months later after being with one-another because of the gradual buildup of sexual experiences like deep kissing, then fondling, then oral sex, ultimately fulfilling this gap of anticipation where penetrative sex may not even be vitally necessary in keeping the relationship close and exciting. This is how females get to 20 and remain virgins, they may have given out 10 blowjobs before the end of highschool but state in their personal lives "tee hee im still a virgin, I'm a good girl" because they aren't lying. Men that get to 21 like me and are KHHV are truly losers, the word has never been more apt. I could theoretically take a few hours and find an escort in my city and finally lose my virginity but I realize the futility in this endevour. Sex is not the end goal for us, it was the failure of female synergy that made us turn out this way, sex is only a consequence of this.

This is why when you are 20 as a KHHV outside of prostitution, it is so close to impossible to even dip your feet in the water of female experience yet alone knowing where to start, compared to "incels" who are simply virgins at 20 but have had a plethora of female experiences already. When an incel tries to pull the "I'm a virgin at 20 card", do not fall for this so easily. Ask them if they have ever experienced any sexual capacity with a female first. This is how it is for the majority of the population. If you are a KHHV this is my marker for what it means to be incel because a woman was interested enough to show sexual inclination towards you at some capacity on the spectrum. Hugging, kissing, fondling at the lower end of the spectrum, with penetrative sex at the latter end. To be incel in my opinion is the inclination to fall completely out of this spectrum.
Did not read
 
Incels constantly seem to both over-exaggerate and under-exaggerate female stuttiness these days in massive strides that ignore some pretty basic realities. The incelosphere, most posts and the majority of incel related content only focuses on sex in the sense of vaginal sex or "losing your virginity". Incels fail to realize that deep kissing, handjobs, blowjobs, getting fingered, fondled, and anything related to sexual nature falls on this spectrum of sexual intimacy and what it means to be properly sexually socialized, not just vaginal sex. Yes there are females that are virgins at 20 years old not 0.001% like some of you hyperbole obsessed people come up with, but a female that has never experienced anything listed above... um yeah that's close to 0. KHHV females are unicorns these days by the time they turn 18 if even any at all apart from having mental and or physical issues getting in the way of this. You incels need to realize that the end goal for many of you may be sex, but the majority of the population reaches sex at a pace most similar to the "base" system (1rst, 2nd, etc). I have friends and know of cases of guys that made out with girls and fondled them when they were 11-12, got a blowjob at 15, but never had sex until 20, WAY after highschool, NINE YEARS AFTER THEIR FIRST FEMALE CONTACT.

These markers are where people start, and why missing out on teen love is like being doomed from the start because it is about the experiencing the gradual synergy of the opposite sex and what it means to interact with the opposite sex. A 12 year old going to the movies and getting a kiss on the cheek at the end is far more than I have experienced yet a 21 year old guy doing this is beyond embarrassing and not worth saving. I might even throw out the word cucked. Teen love is about the novelty of sexual interaction and transitional long-term "foreplay" if you will, where both girls and guys are understanding what it means to be a member of their sex, and how to navigate sexuality without penetrative sex itself necessarily. Understand what I'm saying? When 2 adults fall in love, sex usually commences shortly after, but 2 teens in love for the first time may never experience sex with each other until months later after being with one-another because of the gradual buildup of sexual experiences like deep kissing, then fondling, then oral sex, ultimately fulfilling this gap of anticipation where penetrative sex may not even be vitally necessary in keeping the relationship close and exciting. This is how females get to 20 and remain virgins, they may have given out 10 blowjobs before the end of highschool but state in their personal lives "tee hee im still a virgin, I'm a good girl" because they aren't lying. Men that get to 21 like me and are KHHV are truly losers, the word has never been more apt. I could theoretically take a few hours and find an escort in my city and finally lose my virginity but I realize the futility in this endevour. Sex is not the end goal for us, it was the failure of female synergy that made us turn out this way, sex is only a consequence of this.

This is why when you are 20 as a KHHV outside of prostitution, it is so close to impossible to even dip your feet in the water of female experience yet alone knowing where to start, compared to "incels" who are simply virgins at 20 but have had a plethora of female experiences already. When an incel tries to pull the "I'm a virgin at 20 card", do not fall for this so easily. Ask them if they have ever experienced any sexual capacity with a female first. This is how it is for the majority of the population. If you are a KHHV this is my marker for what it means to be incel because a woman was interested enough to show sexual inclination towards you at some capacity on the spectrum. Hugging, kissing, fondling at the lower end of the spectrum, with penetrative sex at the latter end. To be incel in my opinion is the inclination to fall completely out of this spectrum.
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