is all in the title.
With modafinil, you can learn anything at any age.
They're saying everyone should know some kind of programming. It's like Spanish. It's gonna be a general skill. Allegedly.
Sure dude. Still nowaday many programming languages created 50 years old are being used. Most of the projects were written 20-30 years ago and some of them are still using old ROM. The problem is how can you make money out of it.
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Sure, but it's going to be way harder than you think to learn it properly. Much of it is boring and needs the naivety and endless energy of childhood to chew through without complaints.
Based and high IQ, there are several alternatives to this also.
You're right, although the modafinil alternative never beat the real thing. I also have ADHD so addies make me tired and car sick feeling.
For what purpose? For your enjoyment and personal development or eventually to make money? In the latter case you'd better be high IQ and hard working - else you are not gonna make it.
yes but you won't get a job
no
Yes.
Intelligence mostly stays the same after puberty until very old age
so yeah
you could even start gym-celing at 40+ and make most of the gains you would have made in your 20s
if you had said that programming is gonna be a general skill amongst incels i would have agreed there, but toilets are too dumb to do anything that doesnt require getting on their knees
Yeah why not?
You can start with Autoit. Its designed for non programmers, has excellent examples and documentation.
And It is powerful when you get good with it.
Requires Windows, though.
You can start with Autoit. Its designed for non programmers, has excellent examples and documentation.
And It is powerful when you get good with it.
Requires Windows, though.
I think so, you just need to be in a good mood to be able to work and make progress. Hopefully you can make that happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Lowe man who learned programming in his 40s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Lowe man who learned programming in his 40s
Yes I’d say so, but it’s going to be quite draining and take a lot of effort.
honestly it depends, if you get into certain parts of mobile or webdev where there's lots of niggertech to make everything as easy to use as possible for diversity hires, it might not be that hard
stuff like android and frontends for simple websites
The answer is: No-ish.
The main reason for this is that neural plasticity declines after puberty and almost grinds to a halt after the age of ~30 (IQ dependant). So the only exception to this is if you have a very high IQ. After the age of 12, every additional 5 years that learning is postponed raises the IQ threshold by 4 points starting with a base of 100.
Here's a little table to put it into perspective:
AGE IQ
<12 100
17 104
22 108
27 112
32 116
37 120
42 124
47 128
52 132
57 136
...
Basically if you don't fulfil at least one of these two requirements (preferably both):
1. Having high enough IQ
2. Learning it while young
then just forget about it, because you will never understand it on a fundamental level
The main reason for this is that neural plasticity declines after puberty and almost grinds to a halt after the age of ~30 (IQ dependant). So the only exception to this is if you have a very high IQ. After the age of 12, every additional 5 years that learning is postponed raises the IQ threshold by 4 points starting with a base of 100.
Here's a little table to put it into perspective:
AGE IQ
<12 100
17 104
22 108
27 112
32 116
37 120
42 124
47 128
52 132
57 136
...
Basically if you don't fulfil at least one of these two requirements (preferably both):
1. Having high enough IQ
2. Learning it while young
then just forget about it, because you will never understand it on a fundamental level
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You can learn anything at any age, so long as you're memory is fine, you have sufficient IQ, you're physically able, and you have the motivation to go and do it.
You won't know until you make an honest effort.
You won't know until you make an honest effort.
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You completely misunderstood my assertion. Those requirements were for someone who is just starting to learn programming at the listed age. Those linux programmers started to learn programming at a very young age, not at 40.
Anyone who is willing to use a search engine can do their research
Bluepill advice, just like what normies give to incels in regards to foids
I've done modafinil and it boosts everything and makes you feel great. Programming is a cope, maybe it can be profitable... but I recommend modafinil to anyone, even rotting NEETs.
Read more carefully what I wrote, as I never said that neuroplasticity fully halts, I said that it almost halts implying it slows down significantly. And how much it slows down is IQ dependant, since IQ represents the complexity of you neural networks which is determined by the number of neuro-axonic interconnects which are in charge of new concept knowledge formation (not non-dynamic memories) and are subject to degradation with age which in turn lowers the speed and ability to learn new concepts aka neuroplasticity. And since crystallized intelligence (already learned concepts) stays unaffected by the age related degradation [pause] the knowledge one acquired at a younger age remains usable (like math and programming concepts etc).
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This post is a lot of densely packed jargon. Do you have evidence for the bolded?
And WTF is this "[pause]"? Did you copy paste this?
Anyway, OP, you should try learning it and see for yourself. I recommend learning Java first, then C. You'll learn the important concepts as you go, like recursion, inheritance, polymorphism, memory management and pointers. The important thing is first learning the basic structure of code: defining functions and variables, if statements, loops, arrays (containers) etc.
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The hardest part isn't having enough "Neuroplasticity" or "Muh high IQ", it's actually having enough motivation and patience, two important things you progressively lose as you get older. Provided you have enough of both, it's going to be a breeze.
I've been a programmer my whole life and can't find a programming job anymore because of my age (greycel).
It would only be worthwhile to start programming as a cope, like you have an interest in it, or a project you want to work on.
It would only be worthwhile to start programming as a cope, like you have an interest in it, or a project you want to work on.
Is the job market that bad?
[pause] was just a semicolon but I hate using ";" in text because many people don't know what it means.
As for the rest out can start with:
Developmental plasticity - Wikipedia
"Much like neuroplasticity or brain plasticity, developmental plasticity is specific to the change in neurons and synaptic connections as a consequence of developmental processes. A child creates most of these connections from birth to early childhood."
That's why you always hear about anyone who's good at anything that they started early. Read the biography of any good programmer like John Carmack, Andrew Gower, Michael Abrash, Ken Silverman, etc, and what you will find is that they all start with something like "when I was X years old my parents bought me a Y type of computer and I started to tinker in BASIC..." where X is always < 12
The job market is full of immigrants who are willing to work for minimum wage, so the more experienced you get it's like you age right out of the market. Plus if you have gaps in your employment history, it's a massive red flag even if you're overqualified for the job.
Yeah this too everyone is into it now. It was more valuable before now only top talents mog.
I don't have gaps in my employment history. I have a fucking black hole.
Better prepare a good answer when the question comes up "so what have you been doing between the dates of X and Y ?"
Is LDAR not good enough
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[pause] was just a semicolon but I hate using ";" in text because many people don't know what it means.
As for the rest out can start with:
Developmental plasticity - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
"Much like neuroplasticity or brain plasticity, developmental plasticity is specific to the change in neurons and synaptic connections as a consequence of developmental processes. A child creates most of these connections from birth to early childhood."
That's why you always hear about anyone who's good at anything that they started early. Read the biography of any good programmer like John Carmack, Andrew Gower, Michael Abrash, Ken Silverman, etc, and what you will find is that they all start with something like "when I was X years old my parents bought me a Y type of computer and I started to tinker in BASIC..." where X is always < 12
Yes, a child easily creates those neural nets, because their brains are almost empty of them. An adult brain is not precluded from forming new neural networks simply because it already has an existing set of them. The rate of developing new ones is obviously slower due to age, but learning doesn't slow down to the degree you're suggesting. Learning improves brain health in old age and there's evidence to suggest that regular reading and writing can fight off dementia related problems.
I don't see how any of this is supposed to be an argument against learning new skills later in life. So because OP is too old to be the next John Carmack, he shouldn't bother learning how to program? That's a very dumb thing to imply, if not say. That's not even mentioning the fact that Carmack et al are the outliers. Learning how to program is almost as important as math and literacy. Even if OP never writes a single line of code at any job, thinking about problems abstractly and algorithmically will help him become a better thinker.
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this
it's why you need to build up the right mood like I said
try to eliminate everything that's bothering you, get rid of distractions and give it a go
you won't know until you try
the neuroplasticity stuff seems like the usual one-size-fits-all thinking that probably doesn't apply to that many people
All true. It's worthwhile to learn to program.
But i would be careful about implying that learning programming will lead, in any way, to a good job, and good life. Learning to program has lead me INTO unemployed middle age LDAR life, not out of it.
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I'm sorry it didn't work out for you the way you had hoped with programming. What's the story there, if you don't mind me asking? Do you have a background in comp sci or vocational training in programming? Do you have a specialty? Have you tried relocating to different markets? The programming craze is starting to settle down as scores of students are seeing that computer science is hard and that programming sucks balls. But there's still plenty of equity in the job market, if you have moderate skills.
Yeah, it's always going to be tough when you compete with third world street shitters who are willing to into indentured servitude and undercut your skilled labor, but that's literally with every job on every level. This is where you have to get your certs and become a specialist. When a server crashes at 2am you're going to be the one they call, not the team of code monkeys from Mumbai who get contractually replaced after slapping together some minimum viable product, and you get paid accordingly.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but long story short my employment history has large gaps where i took time off to work on startup ideas. When those all failed I kept having more and more trouble landing jobs, followed by layoffs or getting fired, followed by more periods of time unemployed. So even though I'm a good programmer, during an interview they disregard all my experience and then start doing these whiteboard problems which Im not so good at, and I get weeded out during interviews (eg. they can tell I'm autistic and wont "fit in with their culture"). So now I'm broke and just LDAR.
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Yeah? That sucks. Vyvanse is my favourite stim ngl. Modafinil gave me a strong headache when I tried it, only did a few times though.
I understood. The programmers are constantly learning new shit though since it's one of the hardest things to work on. The kernel is constantly adding new drivers, code, and system changes (like systemd a few years ago).
The kernel is massively different from 10 years ago, let alone 15. So yeah, they had to learn all new concepts and a different code base.
It's not like building some javascript or android trash. It's about 1000 times harder.
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Experience vs whiteboard is an eternal debate. Without worker's rights and unionship we'd all be screwed over by big corps if things go on like this. Whiteboards are all about getting new talent, train them and get them on job for lower pay. Also, "fit in with culture" is extreme gaslighting
I'll have to look into Vyvanse..
You got four years
Even if you learn to program, how the fuck are you going to convince someone to hire you. Do you plan on networking? That's chad only.
with enough adderall, yes
Screw half assed mediocre knowledge, you're either coding complex engines using advanced math or you LDAR and rope, there's no middle ground. Just like you're either Chad and slay or you're incel and rot
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Going by this logic, you shouldn't write, because you're not Shakespeare or Hemingway. You shouldn't even speak, because you're not Socrates or Churchill.
Ever played basketball? Well fucking don't, because you're not Jordan. Oh, you like to play soccer? Well, FUCK YOU! You're not Ronaldo, GTFO!
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