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Many sub-Chad men are involved in long term relationships with fat, ugly, and annoying women simply because they would otherwise feel intolerably lonely.

Many sub-Chad men are simping for foids, in the delusion that they have a real relationship with them, out of the same aversion towards the pain of loneliness.

Many NEETs who could be living comfy forever are driven to abandon their ways and wagecuck instead because, much like simps, they need crumbs of social acceptance to feel good and they can get these paltry crumbs while McCucking.

If they just took opioids, then they would no longer be subject to this dynamic. Endogenous opioids are what regulate social attachment. When you feel lonely and desperately seek social/romantic connection, this is due to low endogenous opioid tone in the body. Take a low dose opioid, and you will be freed from the pull of normalfag soyciety and the false promise of foids who have driven so many men to disaster over the history of our species. They will no longer control your moods, and force you to be depressed by not submitting to them or being enough for them.
 
You reckon there are any effective natural ways to increase endorphin?
 
is there any drug for someone like me who has severe adhd and hence his brain is completely starved of dopamine which it seeks constantly through self destructive behaviours like jerking off to extreme porn and constantly scrolling YouTube
 
You reckon there are any effective natural ways to increase endorphin?
That's the thing, bro. The main way to naturally increase endorphins would be to have a thriving social life.

As incels, we do not have this by definition. Therefore we have to take substances which act on the opioid system (agonizing the mu receptor, and antagonizing the kappa receptor for bonus points). Or else we are bound to suffer.
 
is there any drug for someone like me who has severe adhd and hence his brain is completely starved of dopamine which it seeks constantly through self destructive behaviours like jerking off to extreme porn and constantly scrolling YouTube
I have severe, lifelong ADHD too. So I know exactly what you mean.

What I do is not just take an opioid agonist daily, but a stimulant as well. This resolves not just the inceldom-induced depression, but the lack of attention and focus too. I could not be making so many threads as I am lately without it, lol.

You can get a stimulant quite easily in the US by seeing a psychiatrist. They will likely prescribe something like Ritalin or Adderall for ADHD. These are good medications for REALLY focusing, and this is because they don't just increase dopamine tone, but norepinephrine as well.

However, increasing norepinephrine by a lot is not something you should do everyday, IMO. While it does enhance the degree of focus you can get from stimulants, it does this at the expense of making you feel particularly "robotic." It gives you a strong sense of tense focus which is not always a good thing.

Minimizing the norepinephrine release by taking dextroamphetamine instead of adderall (or amphetamine salts) is something worth considering. Ideally, you should be able to cycle stimulants that act more on norepinephrine with those that act more on dopamine, depending upon your needs. One obvious consideration would be to avoid excessive norepinephrine release when you have social demands, and don't want to be giga robotic.

But I have an interesting fact for you. The way in which you keep jerking off to porn and scrolling YouTube actually has less to do with dopamine, and more to do with endorphins/opioids. Endorphins/opioids are what get released during orgasm and make you feel good. Constantly scrolling YouTube is clearly an endorphin-seeking behavior too in the sense that it's a way of supplementing social interaction through parasocial relationships.

Indeed, I have read research which postulates that at its root, ADHD involves endogenous opioid system dysregulation. It is probably the fundamental disorder underlying BPD and other clearer expressions of endorphin dysregulation. So you should definitely pursue the opioid angle at the same time as you obtain a stimulant. You will be hard-pressed to get a psychiatrist to help you, though. Mine told me that "opioids may help depression, but they just do so by making you high," as though the very same argument could not be made for stimulant use in ADHD by those who do not support it :feelshaha:

Also, check out whether you have SLEEP APNEA or not. Sleep apnea contributes to or even causes ADHD. It might just qualify you for a subsidized jaw surgery if you do have it :feelshehe:
 
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I have severe, lifelong ADHD too. So I know exactly what you mean.

What I do is not just take an opioid agonist daily, but a stimulant as well. This resolves not just the inceldom-induced depression, but the lack of attention and focus too. I could not be making so many threads as I am lately without it, lol.

You can get a stimulant quite easily in the US by seeing a psychiatrist. They will likely prescribe something like Ritalin or Adderall for ADHD. These are good medications for REALLY focusing, and this is because they don't just increase dopamine tone, but norepinephrine as well.

However, increasing norepinephrine by a lot is not something you should do everyday, IMO. While it does enhance the degree of focus you can get from stimulants, it does this at the expense of making you feel particularly "robotic." It gives you a strong sense of tense focus which is not always a good thing.

Minimizing the norepinephrine release by taking dextroamphetamine instead of adderall (or amphetamine salts) is something worth considering. Ideally, you should be able to cycle stimulants that act more on norepinephrine with those that act more on dopamine, depending upon your needs. One obvious consideration would be to avoid excessive norepinephrine release when you have social demands, and don't want to be giga robotic.

But I have an interesting fact for you. The way in which you keep jerking off to porn and scrolling YouTube actually has less to do with dopamine, and more to do with endorphins/opioids. Endorphins/opioids are what get released during orgasm and make you feel good. Constantly scrolling YouTube is clearly an endorphin-seeking behavior too in the sense that it's a way of supplementing social interaction through parasocial relationships.

Indeed, I have read research which postulates that at its root, ADHD involves endogenous opioid system dysregulation. It is probably the fundamental disorder underlying BPD and other clearer expressions of endorphin dysregulation. So you should definitely pursue the opioid angle at the same time as you obtain a stimulant. You will be hard-pressed to get a psychiatrist to help you, though. Mine told me that "opioids may help depression, but they just do so by making you high," as though the very same argument could not be made for stimulant use in ADHD by those who do not support it :feelshaha:

Also, check out whether you have SLEEP APNEA or not. Sleep apnea contributes or even causes ADHD. It might just qualify you for a subsidized jaw surgery if you do have it :feelshehe:
Hmm thanks brocel for giving such a detailed answer although I m not quite sure what half the terms means..

I can get checked for adderall by I have heard a friend who seriously got addicted to it so much so that he couldn't function without his Adhd meds and that has scared me from taking medicine

So how do u reckon I get opioids then? Do doctors give them away easily?
 
Hmm thanks brocel for giving such a detailed answer although I m not quite sure what half the terms means..

I can get checked for adderall by I have heard a friend who seriously got addicted to it so much so that he couldn't function without his Adhd meds and that has scared me from taking medicine

So how do u reckon I get opioids then? Do doctors give them away easily?
An easy opioid agonist you can buy online or in any smoke shop is called kratom. It is legal in most US states, and can help you determine whether opioids work for you.

There are many anecdotes of people saying that kratom helps their ADHD, which goes to show that endogenous opioids have something to do with the disorder. Of course, one way they might help is through the fact that opioids increase dopamine tone in themselves, but I think there is a particular social malaise inherent to ADHD and a lack of ability to focus. It would explain why curry Uber drivers spend all day talking to their curry friends on the phone. Endorphins (as induced through social interaction) help facilitate their ability to focus on a boring job.

As for addiction, you just need to engage in these substances carefully. You're already partway there with your well-founded caution. Use the smallest effective dose. Do not compulsively redose. Follow the same dosing schedule always. Etc.
 
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How do you get it prescribed, or do you order them from archetype ?
 
@glowIntheDark check out this post I made describing my first experience with opioids:

I first tried opioids when I was 11 or 12 years old, after being prescribed them by the dentist.

I can recall at this time feeling very isolated and alone at school, and no longer taking an interest in the things that used to excite me. In short, I was depressed. And it was a depression characterized in its social etiology by BPD traits, such as switching, emotional lability, and the infamous "internal emptiness."

The opioids resolved my malaise completely, much to my amazement. I was no longer ailing about feeling lonely. My compulsions such as masturbating and listening to music repeatedly (what I now understand to be endorphin-seeking behaviors) went away, and I could instead focus on watching entire YouTube videos (without constantly pausing and rewinding them and losing focus), for example.

This clearly goes to show that a lot of ADHD is not just low dopamine/catecholamines, but low opioidergic activity too. After all, dopamine and endorphins go together like peas and carrots, especially in depression, where there is a marked deficiency of both.

Indeed, just like opioids increase dopamine themselves, stimulants also help increase endorphins :feelsthink:
 
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Can confirm. I was prescribed codeine pills a while ago, when I fucked my back up, shit was amazing, but I stopped because it killed my erections.
 
@glowIntheDark check out this post I made describing my first experience with opioids:



This clearly goes to show that a lot of ADHD is not just low dopamine, but low opioidergic activity too. After all, dopamine and endorphins go together like peas and carrots, especially in depression, where there is a marked deficiency of both.

Indeed, just like opioids increase dopamine themselves, stimulants also help increase endorphins :feelsthink:
ic I will check this out
 
I tried 2 tsps of Kratom today. It took a little more than 1 hour to kick in until i felt something. At first i head a medium headache, which later went away. The feeling was, unusual but not bad. I felt much more relaxed and didnt have negative thoughts/feelings during my high. I have enough Kratom for one more dosage, then i will have to buy more.
 
I tried 2 tsps of Kratom today. It took a little more than 1 hour to kick in until i felt something. At first i head a medium headache, which later went away. The feeling was, unusual but not bad. I felt much more relaxed and didnt have negative thoughts/feelings during my high. I have enough Kratom for one more dosage, then i will have to buy more.
When I first started kratom, it would give me a sore neck after wearing off. But it was some sus ghetto brand

So maybe it depends on the quality of the kratom. I have used this site to get good kratom, which is well renowned for having strong stuff:

 
When I first started kratom, it would give me a sore neck after wearing off. But it was some ghetto brand

So maybe it depends on the quality of the kratom. I have used this site to get kratom, which is well renowned for having strong stuff:

The site denies me access

Are the effects i described usual or unusual ? What can i expect at higher doses ?
 
The site denies me access

Are the effects i described usual or unusual ? What can i expect at higher doses ?
It seems like you're having a typical reaction. The headache can be due to dehydration. Drink wata and get your electrolytes since kratom is dehydrating.
 
It seems like you're having a typical reaction. The headache can be due to dehydration. Drink wata and get your electrolytes since kratom is dehydrating.
okay. What other effects can i expect when i take higher dosage ?
 
I have severe, lifelong ADHD too. So I know exactly what you mean.

What I do is not just take an opioid agonist daily, but a stimulant as well. This resolves not just the inceldom-induced depression, but the lack of attention and focus too. I could not be making so many threads as I am lately without it, lol.

You can get a stimulant quite easily in the US by seeing a psychiatrist. They will likely prescribe something like Ritalin or Adderall for ADHD. These are good medications for REALLY focusing, and this is because they don't just increase dopamine tone, but norepinephrine as well.

However, increasing norepinephrine by a lot is not something you should do everyday, IMO. While it does enhance the degree of focus you can get from stimulants, it does this at the expense of making you feel particularly "robotic." It gives you a strong sense of tense focus which is not always a good thing.

Minimizing the norepinephrine release by taking dextroamphetamine instead of adderall (or amphetamine salts) is something worth considering. Ideally, you should be able to cycle stimulants that act more on norepinephrine with those that act more on dopamine, depending upon your needs. One obvious consideration would be to avoid excessive norepinephrine release when you have social demands, and don't want to be giga robotic.

But I have an interesting fact for you. The way in which you keep jerking off to porn and scrolling YouTube actually has less to do with dopamine, and more to do with endorphins/opioids. Endorphins/opioids are what get released during orgasm and make you feel good. Constantly scrolling YouTube is clearly an endorphin-seeking behavior too in the sense that it's a way of supplementing social interaction through parasocial relationships.

Indeed, I have read research which postulates that at its root, ADHD involves endogenous opioid system dysregulation. It is probably the fundamental disorder underlying BPD and other clearer expressions of endorphin dysregulation. So you should definitely pursue the opioid angle at the same time as you obtain a stimulant. You will be hard-pressed to get a psychiatrist to help you, though. Mine told me that "opioids may help depression, but they just do so by making you high," as though the very same argument could not be made for stimulant use in ADHD by those who do not support it :feelshaha:

Also, check out whether you have SLEEP APNEA or not. Sleep apnea contributes to or even causes ADHD. It might just qualify you for a subsidized jaw surgery if you do have it :feelshehe:
Which opiods do you take? And what other drugs help you at the moment?

I feel like you are right what you said about ADHD and BPD, i have them both and i have severe anhedonia from both, i just wake up to never feel pleasure or anything that i could enjoy because i am constantly numb and bored all the time, its like im just observing what's going on and i cannot do anything about it and whenever i feel certain emotions i only feel them intensify for a bit and then i go back to the cycle of numbness
 
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okay. What other effects can i expect when i take higher dosage ?
It will feel like you are on your mother's bosom again.

Unless you take way too much, in which case everything will be spinning, jfl
 
Which opiods do you take? And what other drugs help you at the moment?
I have taken several, but basically anything that's a mu-opioid agonist will work.

The basic understanding you need to have is:

Mu-opioid agonism = good
Kappa-opioid agonism = bad

The mu-opioid receptor takes endorphins, while the kappa-opioid receptor takes dynorphins. Endorphins feel good; dynorphins feel bad. Loneliness increases dynorphins and decreases endorphins, which is part of the pathology of depression.

Fun fact: dynorphins are what's released when people have near death experiences, and it gives them the famous visions of light and whatnot. I speculate based off of this that psychedelic drugs increase dynorphins, given how they both induce visions and (in my case) significantly worsen social separation distress and depression, at least in the immediate term. Given that psychedelics originate as a poison meant to dissuade animals from consuming the plants on which it's found, it only makes sense that they create a sort of "near death experience" which involves heightened dynorphins.
 
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I have taken several, but basically anything that's a mu-opioid agonist will work.

The basic understanding you need to have is:

Mu-opioid agonism = good
Kappa-opioid agonism = bad

The mu-opioid receptor takes endorphins, while the kappa-opioid receptor takes dynorphins. Endorphins feel good; dynorphins feel bad. Loneliness increases dynorphins and decreases endorphins, which is part of the pathology of depression. Dopamine also gets nuked too in depression.

Fun fact: dynorphins are what's released when people have near death experiences, and give them the famous visions of light and whatnot. I speculate based off of this that psychedelic drugs increase dynorphins, given how they both induce visions and (in my case) worsen social separation distress and depression.
Ah so the basics really, for some reason they actually had Kappa-opioid agonists opiates so no one could abuse them but that caused people to trip, these ones from the list are known to make you trip balls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzomorphan

I still don't understand how kappa opiod agonists cause these weird hallucinations
 
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Ah so the basics really, for some reason they actually had Kappa-opioid agonists opiates so no one could abuse them but that caused people to trip out, these ones from the list are known to make you trip balls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzomorphan
Very fascinating and it gives credence to my theorem about psychedelics

I feel like you are right what you said about ADHD and BPD, i have them both and i have severe anhedonia from both, i just wake up to never feel pleasure or anything that i could enjoy because i am constantly numb and bored all the time, its like im just observing what's going on and i cannot do anything about it and whenever i feel certain emotions i only feel them intensify for a bit and then i go back to the cycle of numbness
Opioid + stim will rebirth you, bro. The internal emptiness will be gone, and hedonic tone (ability to enjoy things) will be restored. You can focus on what you want to do without having this weird dependence upon other people to be there with you. Yet you will not become asocial. It will actually feel good to interact with others, but you will be able to do so on your own terms.

A true antidote to our condition
 
Just look up the strain of kratom online and see if that's what you want, its just like choosing a weed strain
Its harder to find more information about the strains than it is for weed
 
Its harder to find more information about the strains than it is for weed
Don't worry too much about the strains, since it's something of a marketing ploy.

But the meme is that white kratom is more stimulating, and red kratom is more sedating
 
Very fascinating and it gives credence to my theorem about psychedelics


Opioid + stim will rebirth you, bro. The internal emptiness will be gone, and hedonic tone (ability to enjoy things) will be restored. You can focus on what you want to do without having this weird dependence upon other people to be there with you. Yet you will not become asocial. It will actually feel good to interact with others, but you will be able to do so on your own terms.

A true antidote to our condition
Yeah its interesting how they work but we still don't know much about these kappa receptors or any of these obscurer drugs


Yeah i was thinking opiods and stimulants would be a good idea but opiods are quite an expensive habit and its harder to obtain the good ones where i am at, you end up getting the low tier ones like codeine, tramadol which barely do anything

Have you heard of the research chemical version of ritalin btw? It has a longer duration and more powerful effects
 
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Yeah i was thinking opiods and stimulants would be a good idea but opiods are quite an expensive habit and its harder to obtain the good ones where i am at, you end up getting the low tier ones like codeine, tramadol which barely do anything
You might have a certain CYP enzyme genotype which would explain why codeine and tramadol don't work for you:

Most opioids are metabolized via CYP-mediated oxidation and have substantial drug interaction potential. The exceptions are morphine, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone, which undergo glucuronidation

It's very brutal to have BPD and also have mutant CYP enzyme genes. It's like the world wants you to die :lul:

It would even impact the efficacy of stimulants for ADHD, too
 
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You might have a certain CYP enzyme genotype which would explain why codeine and tramadol don't work for you:



It's very brutal to have BPD and also have mutant CYP enzyme genes. It's like the world wants you to die :lul:

It would even impact the efficacy of many stimulants for ADHD, too

Well a lot of people say that codeine and tramadol barely do shit for them so i suppose im not really the odd one out, i think some are just lucky to metabolize it, now tramadol did have an effect on me before but it wasn't anything too crazy for me, it felt more like a benzo to me than an opiod and it had stimulating qualities to it

I have taken stimulants and they worked fine as well
 
Well a lot of people say that codeine and tramadol barely do shit for them so i suppose im not really the odd one out, i think some are just lucky to metabolize it, now tramadol did have an effect on me before but it wasn't anything too crazy for me, it felt more like a benzo to me than an opiod and it had stimulating qualities to it

I have taken stimulants and they worked fine as well
CYP enzymes dictate the nature of your metabolism to many drugs. Your CYP genetics can make the metabolism go too fast (quick peak and valley), or too slow (barely feeling anything).

With regard to tramadol: if you can find it, I suggest taking its active metabolite, desmetramadol. It would work for anybody. It has stronger mu-opioid agonism effects per dose than regular tramadol, and unlike regular tramadol, it has no serotonergic effects.

This proves, by the way, that the serotonin theory of depression is a FAKE AND GAY MEME. Because it works perfectly as an antidepressant without touching le serotonin.
 
CYP enzymes dictate the nature of your metabolism to many drugs. Your CYP genetics can make the metabolism go too fast (quick peak and valley), or too slow (barely feeling anything).

With regard to tramadol: if you can find it, I suggest taking its active metabolite, desmetramadol. It would work for anybody. It has stronger mu-opioid agonism effects per dose than regular tramadol, and unlike regular tramadol, it has no serotonergic effects.

This proves, by the way, that the serotonin theory of depression is a FAKE AND GAY MEME. Because it works perfectly as an antidepressant without touching le serotonin.
Well im not too sure if i have some some sort of deficiency but i think certain drugs won't work for everyone

And yeah desmetramadol is an better option in the first place because tramadol just sucks
 
this thread just reaffirmed many of the odd behaviours I observed in my life,

I thought the excessive tapping, the listening to music 24 7, making weird noises out of a sudden and jerking off all the damn time was because I'm insane. It is insane. But I mean explained in this way it's less insane. Thankfully I stopped it at the moment due to so much mental preparation and forcing myself to just stop it otherwise I literally can't get ahead in life, it only puts me in a deeper hole than I already am in, but what you've said makes a lot more sense on why I did it in the first place. We are starved from the chemicals that normies get when they are validated by the presence of their significant other or their friends and family, meanwhile I have nobody in my life, hardly my family as I don't speak with them and obviously no friends or a girlfriend. I've got the internet to curb my loneliness but that's pretty much it, hence explains the excessive music listening, urge to jerk off randomly, watching weird videos on YouTube and the rest of the insanity.

Still reluctant to take opioids though, I've taken them because of an injury I had in High School which included 7 stitches and a whole heap of physical pain so I can't quite remember what they did to me mentally, I can only remember that it eased the physical pain. I think it's unpredictable, perhaps I could get used to it and it'll be fatal, I don't want to die from excessive happiness just yet. I'll stick with regular intensive cardiovascular exercise and walking outside as my endorphins substitute for now.
 
And living in a rural place helps.
 
Many sub-Chad men are involved in long term relationships with fat, ugly, and annoying women simply because they would otherwise feel intolerably lonely.

Many sub-Chad men are simping for foids, in the delusion that they have a real relationship with them, out of the same aversion towards the pain of loneliness.

Many NEETs who could be living comfy forever are driven to abandon their ways and wagecuck instead because, much like simps, they need crumbs of social acceptance to feel good and they can get these paltry crumbs while McCucking.

If they just took opioids, then they would no longer be subject to this dynamic. Endogenous opioids are what regulate social attachment. When you feel lonely and desperately seek social/romantic connection, this is due to low endogenous opioid tone in the body. Take a low dose opioid, and you will be freed from the pull of normalfag soyciety and the false promise of foids who have driven so many men to disaster over the history of our species. They will no longer control your moods, and force you to be depressed by not submitting to them or being enough for them.
Too out taking opioids will just down regulate the amount of opioid receptors present, so you have to keep upping the dose for the same affect.
 
this thread just reaffirmed many of the odd behaviours I observed in my life,

I thought the excessive tapping, the listening to music 24 7, making weird noises out of a sudden and jerking off all the damn time was because I'm insane. It is insane. But I mean explained in this way it's less insane.
These are all traits of autism spectrum disorder. Look into getting diagnosed with it because it can provide you with benefits like NEETbux.

My theory is that autistic "self-stimulatory" and "stereotyped and repetitive" behaviors such as these are due to endogenous opioid system dysregulation. There is good evidence for this, such as stimming farm animals (yes, you read that right) who stop stimming when administered an opioid antagonist (and thus lose the ability for endorphins to properly attach to their opioid receptors, and regulate them at all). The implication is that stimming is a way of stimulating endorphins, and producing a state of emotional equanimity despite stressors.

Indeed, insofar as stimming in autism is often due to the stressors of sensory oversensitivity in particular, it is notable that OPIOID AGONISTS clearly reduce the volume of sensory perceptions (PAIN being primary among them, and reported by like all autistic people who are "melting down" from sensory overload :feelsthink:). In my experience, opioid agonists make being in a loud and crowded environment tolerable, for example, when it wouldn't be otherwise.

So there is a clear role of the opioid system in the autistic condition. But in researching the matter, it is important to not place too much emphasis on seemingly positive behavioral changes alone, which can result in the odd (yet convenient) notion that OPIOID ANTAGONISTS are the solution, given how they are observed to stop stimming in autism (and even cutting in BPD: see below),

As aforementioned, these behavioral changes are simply because opioid antagonists stop endogenous opioids from working at all. But when you consider the fact that stimming in autism (and cutting in BPD) is done precisely in order to stimulate the release of endorphins in the first place (cutting the skin literally releases endorphins, hence why people with BPD do it so as to calm themselves down and feel catharsis; and the marked tendency for autistic stimming to go overboard while listening to music in particular is a major sign of an endorphin deficiency, both because the addictive nature of music is known to be due to its effects on endogenous opioids, and because music seems to simultaneously induce sensory overstimulation (i.e., pain) which needs to be compensated for by stimming), then it's obvious that the issues which cause these behaviors is one of endogenous opioids having a tendency to be/get too low.

What is the reason for the endogenous opioids being or getting too low? Consider what autism and BPD (or even narcissism) have in common: these are both disorders that are rooted in or related to a failure to obtain/secure healthy and meaningful relationships. Indeed, autistic people are overrepresented on this very forum, which is natural because it's literally a forum about failing to secure relationships (or social validation/esteem from sex). So are people with obvious BPD traits. And many have both.

As I've written, the opioid system is what regulates social attachment. So when you have severe problems with social attachment, whether due to the neurological deficits which lead to autism, or the psychological traumas such as sexual/physical/emotional abuse which lead to BPD/narcissism, or both, then your ENODGENOUS OPIOID SYSTEM WILL BE FUCKED UP.

I think that mine was always inherently fucked up due to autism, but my proceeding BRUTAL experiences in life made it much worse, qualifying me for a BPD diagnosis on top of it tbhngl. This would usually manifest itself in substance abuse issues or addiction, given how innumerable addictive substances like alcohol can mask the issue by increasing endorphins, which is why it's remarkable that I've been able to get to the bottom of the issue and all but cure myself instead.

Were it not for my daily use of an opioid agonist plus a stimulant, I would be an addict. If not to substances, then my old addictive behavioral patterns of fapping, listening to music like a madman, playing vidya in a very repetitive and rote way, etc. Probably both.

Indeed, far from me being a "junkie," which some projecting detractors have ironically called me while being demonstrable junkies themselves (JFL), I have been having the most productive and fulfilling time of my life ever since instituting this cure. It was before taking these drugs that I was a sort of "behavioral" junkie!

Just like pain is at the root of autism (in that sensory overload is a very painful experience which promotes social withdrawal), so is depression. Depression is a very painful experience that promotes social withdrawal, even as it is caused by social withdrawal/rejection/isolation! Ergo opioid agonists, in getting rid of pain, will obviously resolve these issues in the most basic terms. They make up for the fact that there is no caressing person to take care of you and bring you back to health (especially if you were never even healthy in the first place), or teach you how to be. Even a therapist (or especially a therapist) must be quite cold, with a professional detachment, which is why they can do nothing fundamental for you here. And the official medical advice for autism and BPD is quite primitive.

I think it's unpredictable, perhaps I could get used to it and it'll be fatal, I don't want to die from excessive happiness just yet. I'll stick with regular intensive cardiovascular exercise and walking outside as my endorphins substitute for now.
There is nothing "excessive" about opioid use unless you make it so. If you start injecting heroin, then yes, you might die of "excessive happiness." But if you take a low dose oral opioid agonist, then you're just supplementing for a deficiency in opioid tone, and giving yourself the ability to experience happiness for once!

Exercise does not increase endorphins, despite the persistent meme. There was a study where people were given an opioid antagonist, yet still experienced the runner's high. The study concluded that this is because the runner's high has to do with endocannabinoids, not endorphins.

So if cannabis does a lot for you, then perhaps you should exercise instead. But endorphins are another matter.

This accords with my experience btw. If exercise increased endorphins, then I would know by now. It does make you feel good, but in a way reminiscent of weed, not social attachment.
 
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Too out taking opioids will just down regulate the amount of opioid receptors present, so you have to keep upping the dose for the same affect.
Not if you simultaneously sensitize the opioid receptors like I'm doing, while keeping the dose of your opioid agonist low :bigbrain:

But the most important thing is just keeping the dose low. Remember that you're not taking it to get "high," but to get rid of negative symptoms (e.g., depression, BPD emptiness and emotional lability, autistic sensory problems). Adjust your dose accordingly, just like a psychiatrist would, and find the minimum effective dose for you!

Unfortunately many people will intuitively grasp the opioid cure, but because they are inherently impulsive retards (as befitting someone with a diagnosis of BPD, for example), they will take way too much, too often and ruin it for themselves.

There are many ancient fables with the moral lesson that "too much of a good thing is a bad thing." Opioids are a very good thing. They will get rid of your loneliness, emotional/physical pain, depression, and autistic handicaps. But if you fail to respect its power, and overdo it, then you will pay the price.

One thing that often happens to people who self-medicate with opioid agonists is that they'll initially stick with a low dose protocol, but after having a particularly bad day or week, they'll want to disassociate and take more. This is when they lose control.

Simply don't allow yourself to do that. If you need to really disassociate because you're having a bad time, try literally anything else. Drink some alcohol that day. But don't ruin the stable use of your opioid medication :feelskek:
 
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These are all traits of autism spectrum disorder. Look into getting diagnosed with it because it can provide you with benefits like NEETbux.

My theory is that autistic "self-stimulatory" and "stereotyped and repetitive" behaviors such as these are due to endogenous opioid system dysregulation. There is good evidence for this, such as stimming farm animals (yes, you read that right) who stop stimming when administered an opioid antagonist (and thus lose the ability for endorphins to properly attach to their opioid receptors, and regulate them at all). The implication is that stimming is a way of stimulating endorphins, and producing a state of emotional equanimity despite stressors.

Indeed, insofar as stimming in autism is often due to the stressors of sensory oversensitivity in particular, it is notable that OPIOID AGONISTS clearly reduce the volume of sensory perceptions (PAIN being primary among them, and reported by like all autistic people who are "melting down" from sensory overload :feelsthink:). In my experience, opioid agonists make being in a loud and crowded environment tolerable, for example, when it wouldn't be otherwise.

So there is a clear role of the opioid system in the autistic condition. But in researching the matter, it is important to not place too much emphasis on seemingly positive behavioral changes alone, which can result in the odd (yet convenient) notion that OPIOID ANTAGONISTS are the solution, given how they are observed to stop stimming in autism (and even cutting in BPD: see below),

As aforementioned, these behavioral changes are simply because opioid antagonists stop endogenous opioids from working at all. But when you consider the fact that stimming in autism (and cutting in BPD) is done precisely in order to stimulate the release of endorphins in the first place (cutting the skin literally releases endorphins, hence why people with BPD do it so as to calm themselves down and feel catharsis; and the marked tendency for autistic stimming to go overboard while listening to music in particular is a major sign of an endorphin deficiency, both because the addictive nature of music is known to be due to its effects on endogenous opioids, and because music seems to simultaneously induce sensory overstimulation (i.e., pain) which needs to be compensated for by stimming), then it's obvious that the issues which cause these behaviors is one of endogenous opioids having a tendency to be/get too low.

What is the reason for the endogenous opioids being or getting too low? Consider what autism and BPD (or even narcissism) have in common: these are both disorders that are rooted in or related to a failure to obtain/secure healthy and meaningful relationships. Indeed, autistic people are overrepresented on this very forum, which is natural because it's literally a forum about failing to secure relationships (or social validation/esteem from sex). So are people with obvious BPD traits. And many have both.

As I've written, the opioid system is what regulates social attachment. So when you have severe problems with social attachment, whether due to the neurological deficits which lead to autism, or the psychological traumas such as sexual/physical/emotional abuse which lead to BPD/narcissism, or both, then your ENODGENOUS OPIOID SYSTEM WILL BE FUCKED UP.

I think that mine was always inherently fucked up due to autism, but my proceeding BRUTAL experiences in life made it much worse, qualifying me for a BPD diagnosis on top of it tbhngl. This would usually manifest itself in substance abuse issues or addiction, given how innumerable addictive substances like alcohol can mask the issue by increasing endorphins, which is why it's remarkable that I've been able to get to the bottom of the issue and all but cure myself instead.

Were it not for my daily use of an opioid agonist plus a stimulant, I would be an addict. If not to substances, then my old addictive behavioral patterns of fapping, listening to music like a madman, playing vidya in a very repetitive and rote way, etc. Probably both.

Indeed, far from me being a "junkie," which some projecting detractors have ironically called me while being demonstrable junkies themselves (JFL), I have been having the most productive and fulfilling time of my life ever since instituting this cure. It was before taking these drugs that I was a sort of "behavioral" junkie!

Just like pain is at the root of autism (in that sensory overload is a very painful experience which promotes social withdrawal), so is depression. Depression is a very painful experience that promotes social withdrawal, even as it is caused by social withdrawal/rejection/isolation! Ergo opioid agonists, in getting rid of pain, will obviously resolve these issues in the most basic terms. They make up for the fact that there is no caressing person to take care of you and bring you back to health (especially if you were never even healthy in the first place), or teach you how to be. Even a therapist (or especially a therapist) must be quite cold, with a professional detachment, which is why they can do nothing fundamental for you here. And the official medical advice for autism and BPD is quite primitive.


There is nothing "excessive" about opioid use unless you make it so. If you start injecting heroin, then yes, you might die of "excessive happiness." But if you take a low dose oral opioid agonist, then you're just supplementing for a deficiency in opioid tone, and giving yourself the ability to experience happiness for once!

Exercise does not increase endorphins, despite the persistent meme. There was a study where people were given an opioid antagonist, yet still experienced the runner's high. The study concluded that this is because the runner's high has to do with endocannabinoids, not endorphins.

So if cannabis does a lot for you, then perhaps you should exercise instead. But endorphins are another matter.

This accords with my experience btw. If exercise increased endorphins, then I would know by now. It does make you feel good, but in a way reminiscent of weed, not social attachment.

These are all traits of autism spectrum disorder. Look into getting diagnosed with it because it can provide you with benefits like NEETbux.

My theory is that autistic "self-stimulatory" and "stereotyped and repetitive" behaviors such as these are due to endogenous opioid system dysregulation. There is good evidence for this, such as stimming farm animals (yes, you read that right) who stop stimming when administered an opioid antagonist (and thus lose the ability for endorphins to properly attach to their opioid receptors, and regulate them at all). The implication is that stimming is a way of stimulating endorphins, and producing a state of emotional equanimity despite stressors.

Indeed, insofar as stimming in autism is often due to the stressors of sensory oversensitivity in particular, it is notable that OPIOID AGONISTS clearly reduce the volume of sensory perceptions (PAIN being primary among them, and reported by like all autistic people who are "melting down" from sensory overload :feelsthink:). In my experience, opioid agonists make being in a loud and crowded environment tolerable, for example, when it wouldn't be otherwise.

So there is a clear role of the opioid system in the autistic condition. But in researching the matter, it is important to not place too much emphasis on seemingly positive behavioral changes alone, which can result in the odd (yet convenient) notion that OPIOID ANTAGONISTS are the solution, given how they are observed to stop stimming in autism (and even cutting in BPD: see below),

As aforementioned, these behavioral changes are simply because opioid antagonists stop endogenous opioids from working at all. But when you consider the fact that stimming in autism (and cutting in BPD) is done precisely in order to stimulate the release of endorphins in the first place (cutting the skin literally releases endorphins, hence why people with BPD do it so as to calm themselves down and feel catharsis; and the marked tendency for autistic stimming to go overboard while listening to music in particular is a major sign of an endorphin deficiency, both because the addictive nature of music is known to be due to its effects on endogenous opioids, and because music seems to simultaneously induce sensory overstimulation (i.e., pain) which needs to be compensated for by stimming), then it's obvious that the issues which cause these behaviors is one of endogenous opioids having a tendency to be/get too low.

What is the reason for the endogenous opioids being or getting too low? Consider what autism and BPD (or even narcissism) have in common: these are both disorders that are rooted in or related to a failure to obtain/secure healthy and meaningful relationships. Indeed, autistic people are overrepresented on this very forum, which is natural because it's literally a forum about failing to secure relationships (or social validation/esteem from sex). So are people with obvious BPD traits. And many have both.

As I've written, the opioid system is what regulates social attachment. So when you have severe problems with social attachment, whether due to the neurological deficits which lead to autism, or the psychological traumas such as sexual/physical/emotional abuse which lead to BPD/narcissism, or both, then your ENODGENOUS OPIOID SYSTEM WILL BE FUCKED UP.

I think that mine was always inherently fucked up due to autism, but my proceeding BRUTAL experiences in life made it much worse, qualifying me for a BPD diagnosis on top of it tbhngl. This would usually manifest itself in substance abuse issues or addiction, given how innumerable addictive substances like alcohol can mask the issue by increasing endorphins, which is why it's remarkable that I've been able to get to the bottom of the issue and all but cure myself instead.

Were it not for my daily use of an opioid agonist plus a stimulant, I would be an addict. If not to substances, then my old addictive behavioral patterns of fapping, listening to music like a madman, playing vidya in a very repetitive and rote way, etc. Probably both.

Indeed, far from me being a "junkie," which some projecting detractors have ironically called me while being demonstrable junkies themselves (JFL), I have been having the most productive and fulfilling time of my life ever since instituting this cure. It was before taking these drugs that I was a sort of "behavioral" junkie!

Just like pain is at the root of autism (in that sensory overload is a very painful experience which promotes social withdrawal), so is depression. Depression is a very painful experience that promotes social withdrawal, even as it is caused by social withdrawal/rejection/isolation! Ergo opioid agonists, in getting rid of pain, will obviously resolve these issues in the most basic terms. They make up for the fact that there is no caressing person to take care of you and bring you back to health (especially if you were never even healthy in the first place), or teach you how to be. Even a therapist (or especially a therapist) must be quite cold, with a professional detachment, which is why they can do nothing fundamental for you here. And the official medical advice for autism and BPD is quite primitive.


There is nothing "excessive" about opioid use unless you make it so. If you start injecting heroin, then yes, you might die of "excessive happiness." But if you take a low dose oral opioid agonist, then you're just supplementing for a deficiency in opioid tone, and giving yourself the ability to experience happiness for once!

Exercise does not increase endorphins, despite the persistent meme. There was a study where people were given an opioid antagonist, yet still experienced the runner's high. The study concluded that this is because the runner's high has to do with endocannabinoids, not endorphins.

So if cannabis does a lot for you, then perhaps you should exercise instead. But endorphins are another matter.

This accords with my experience btw. If exercise increased endorphins, then I would know by now. It does make you feel good, but in a way reminiscent of weed, not social attachment.
That'd explain why I listen to the same music tracks over and over again instead of trying the new ones or my obsessive jaw angle touching tbh tbh
 
That'd explain why I listen to the same music tracks over and over again instead of trying the new ones or my obsessive jaw angle touching tbh tbh
Or playing the same video games over and over again instead of trying new ones. Some autistic people even watch the same movies over and over again (JFL).

Notice that this has to with familiarity, just like social attachment does. It is soothing and calming to have a familiar acquaintance, whether to a person or a song.
 
Or playing the same video games over and over again instead of trying new ones. Some autistic people even watch the same movies over and over again (JFL).

Notice that this has to with familiarity, just like social attachment does. It is soothing and calming to have a familiar acquaintance, whether to a person or a song.
Real. I feel anxious when going to new unfamiliar food places.
 
Real. I feel anxious when going to new unfamiliar food places.
This brings us back to the opioid pill:

It is known that those with low opioid tone, in their desperation to achieve equilibrium, will only seek out safe and familiar sources of social succor. People who will probably not reject them!

Those with high opioid tone, on the contrary, will be willing to risk the pain of social rejection by trying to engage with new and unfamiliar people, since it would not hurt them very much even if they were rejected, given this high opioid tone protecting them (literally protecting them from the effects of social pain, which is the basis for social "confidence")!

This is a very profound thing to understand. One thing it helps explain is religiosity (God is the ultimate example of someone who will not reject you). Especially given that low endorphins are usually paired with high dynorphins, which are known to produce mystical visions (as I wrote about earlier in this thread in reference to near death experiences) :feelsthink:

Indeed, the biggest indicator to me that psychedelics decrease endorphins and increase dynorphins is that I underwent a literal mystical experience on 200mcg LSD, where feelings of intense social separation distress (acutely increasing my depression and emotional pain to unprecedented levels) culminated in me having visions of God!

It is no surprise to me as such that there is a "high dynorphin" theory of schizophrenia; and schizophrenics are ubiquitous in their religious delusions, of course.

Another matter this brings light upon is the etiology of personality disorders such as BPD. Imagine if you're a child with low opioid tone, who is crying and wants safety (crying is literally a reflexive mechanism induced by a sudden drop of endorphins), but the only "safe and familiar" source of possible social succor you have is a cold and abusive mother.

This will probably produce lifelong problems in social attachment, spurring from your original inability to feel secure in your primary social relationship (with your mother), It's not just that you were never able to feel safe and secure in her, but you were never able to really leave her either as an independent, self-regulating person, who is secure in yourself. This explains everything you need to know about the relationships those with BPD have.
 
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This brings us back to the opioid pill:

It is known that those with low opioid tone, in their desperation to achieve equilibrium, will only seek out safe and familiar sources of social succor. People who will probably not reject them!

Those with high opioid tone, on the contrary, will be willing to risk the pain of social rejection by trying to engage with new and unfamiliar people, since it would not hurt them very much even if they were rejected, given this high opioid tone protecting them (literally protecting them from the effects of social pain, which is the basis for social "confidence")!

This is a very profound thing to understand. One thing it helps explain is religiosity (God is the ultimate example of someone who will not reject you). Especially given that low endorphins are usually paired with high dynorphins, which are known to produce mystical visions (as I wrote about earlier in this thread in reference to near death experiences) :feelsthink:

Indeed, the biggest indicator to me that psychedelics decrease endorphins and increase dynorphins is that I underwent a literal mystical experience on 200mcg LSD, where feelings of intense social separation distress (acutely increasing my depression and emotional pain to unprecedented levels) culminated in me having visions of God!

It is no surprise to me as such that there is a "high dynorphin" theory of schizophrenia; and schizophrenics are ubiquitous in their religious delusions, of course.

Another matter this brings light upon is the etiology of personality disorders such as BPD. Imagine if you're a child with low opioid tone, who is crying and wants safety (crying is literally a reflexive mechanism induced by a sudden drop of endorphins), but the only "safe and familiar" source of possible social succor you have is a cold and abusive mother.

This will probably produce lifelong problems in social attachment, spurring from your original inability to feel secure in your primary social relationship (with your mother), It's not just that you were never able to feel safe and secure in her, but you were never able to really leave her either as an independent, self-regulating person, who is secure in yourself. This explains everything you need to know about the relationships those with BPD have.
How often should I take mild opioids like codeine to reduce my low opioid tone bro?
 
To add another example to my post above, reflect on the role of shame in enforcing moral standards. Shame is meant to reduce your opioid tone by making you feel a sense of social rejection/ostracism and negative judgement from others. This is supposed to make you change your behaviors accordingly, until the social pain of rejection and negative judgement stops.

This explains how the enforcement of moral standards, whether religious or otherwise, work.

Though a possible rebellion against this is to fetishize and flaunt shameful activities, and become sadistic in your enjoyment of the disgust, offense, and pain you cause others by violating their norms. This explains the tendency for "the bullied to become the bullies" and its various applications.

For instance, the prominence of autistic people in rebellious political groups which take joy in contravening social norms and causing butthurt. In the case of racism, it may relate to the hyper-masculine brain theory of autism too, since conflict in general and group conflict in particular is a male tradition in evolution (hence sports as a sublimation of this, which autistic people aren't generally good at, perhaps explaining why they then make it into a mental matter, as opposed to a physical matter). But the usual non-physical sublimation of group conflict that autistic people and others would engage in is video games.
 
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wow cool thread will read later. so I should eat kratom? it's just some leaf no? can I grow it in the garden? :feelshmm:
 
How often should I take mild opioids like codeine to reduce my low opioid tone bro?
Reference PsychonautWiki for how long the substance lasts in your system, and what the lowest effective dosage would be.


For codeine, it lasts 3-6 hours, and the lowest effective dose is 30-50mg, so you can start experimenting there at 2-3x times per day to cover the morning and the afternoon. Come the evening, you can take an anti-anxiety drug to deal with the opioid rebound, and sleep it off. That's what I do, anyway :bigbrain:
 
Reference PsychonautWiki for how long the substance lasts in your system, and what the lowest effective dosage would be.


you can start experimenting there at 2-3x times per day
that's wild
 
wow cool thread will read later. so I should eat kratom? it's just some leaf no? can I grow it in the garden? :feelshmm:
Kratom comes in powder or capsules. For the powder you'd add it to water and swallow. But for a new user it can be a very unpleasant taste.

I got used to it overtime and could drink it with no problem. I even grew to like it, JFL
 
Not if you simultaneously sensitize the opioid receptors like I'm doing, while keeping the dose of your opioid agonist low :bigbrain:

But the most important thing is just keeping the dose low. Remember that you're not taking it to get "high," but to get rid of negative symptoms (e.g., depression, BPD emptiness and emotional lability, autistic sensory problems). Adjust your dose accordingly, just like a psychiatrist would, and find the minimum effective dose for you!

Unfortunately many people will intuitively grasp the opioid cure, but because they are inherently impulsive retards (as befitting someone with a diagnosis of BPD, for example), they will take way too much, too often and ruin it for themselves.

There are many ancient fables with the moral lesson that "too much of a good thing is a bad thing." Opioids are a very good thing. They will get rid of your loneliness, emotional/physical pain, depression, and autistic handicaps. But if you fail to respect its power, and overdo it, then you will pay the price.

One thing that often happens to people who self-medicate with opioid agonists is that they'll initially stick with a low dose protocol, but after having a particularly bad day or week, they'll want to disassociate and take more. This is when they lose control.

Simply don't allow yourself to do that. If you need to really disassociate because you're having a bad time, try literally anything else. Drink some alcohol that day. But don't ruin the stable use of your opioid medication :feelskek:
I think I will be one of the impulsive retards that would not be able to control themselves. Avoidance is my only option because I know what kind of person I am. I was not meant to have good things in this life :feelsrope:
 
Kratom comes in powder or capsules. For the powder you'd add it to water and swallow. But for a new user it can be a very unpleasant taste.

I got used to it overtime and could drink it with no problem. I even grew to like it, JFL
yeah but it's just leaves no? I read you can make tea with it. if it can grow in garden that's very good yes? instead of being paypig you just grow your own. I already drink nettle and spearmint tea grown in the garden :feelsYall: I do have symptoms you list like attachment to certain stuff

how much you gotta eat at once anyway? if it's a little then maybe it's easier buying until it gets banned I guess
 
advising us to essentially become habituated(and possibly addicted to) opiates to dull the misery of inceldom is pretty terrible advice.

Opiate use d/o is a MAJOR problem in this country now. And has been for some time. I've seen so many of my patients die to unintentional opioid overdoses
 

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