Discussion A fundamental temporal logical fallacy with "6 month celibacy period" to be identified as an incel

[Deleted member 1060]

People generally use the definition of incel given by that Donelly et. al.'s study (he got help from a foid) and almost everyone agrees to it:

The Donnelly Study defined incels as adults who fail to find a sexual partner for six months or more without choosing so.

This definition is not complete and leaves us with more questions than a definite answer:

1. What does it mean by "or more" in the statement "6 months or more"? What is "more"?
2. If a guy can get laid every 6th month (i.e. twice in a year), is he still an incel?
3. This definition also suggest that a guy can transition from an incel to a non-incel (and vice-versa) within an hour. If the guy gets laid exactly on the 5 months 30th day 23rd hour he suddenly becomes a non-cel from an incel. Then again until the next 5th month 30th day and 23rd hour, he stays as an incel. JFL.
4. If the point 3 is a valid definition of an incel, then we can apply the same argument to say that 5m 30d 23h of celibacy period is valid to identify one to be an incel. Using induction, the definition still stays valid for 5m 30d 22h, or 5m 30d 21h, or 5m 30d 20h or ... and so on.
5. We can keep applying the induction and we can arrive at a place where we can say if a guy can't get laid for 59 minutes, he is still an incel. Lmfao.

Where are you going to draw the line? Defining inceldom with respect to time is problematic.

Inceldom a condition, so the state of inceldom needs to be defined as such, e.g. being a khhv etc.

Btw, the Donelly study was done with a help of a foid and the same foid became a "celebrity" just because media believes (and first she claimed) that she is the first person to coin the term "incel".

Which is obviously a horse lie. The truth is, the term incel was coined by a man, not by a woman.

The term involuntary celibacy has likely independently been conceived by various writers throughout history, dating back at least to the 18th century, e.g. a French clergyman, Antoine Banier, used it in 1739. Henry Flynt discussed male involuntary celibacy in relation to being perceived as creep in his 1975 book Blueprint for a Higher Civilization.

So if any normie tries to sell that "coined by a foid" bs, always oppose with the fact.

And of course, such a non-sense definition of inceldom can only be generated by a lizard-brain.

 

[Gymcelled]

That's a 20-30 yr old definition. The world was a completely different place back then. Inceldom was nowhere near as intense nor as rampant

Inceldom has gotten out of control like power levels in dragon ball

That definition was probably meaningful back in the 90s. Now it applies to a huge chunk of normies

 

[Deleted member 1060]

That's a 20-30 yr old definition. The world was a completely different place back then. Inceldom was nowhere near as intense nor as rampant

Inceldom has gotten out of control like power levels in dragon ball

That definition was probably meaningful back in the 90s. Now it applies to a huge chunk of normies

Legit.

 

[shii410]

the only reason you would think "it's over I'm involuntarily celibate" if you couldn't get laid for six months (JFL) is if you're a normie who thinks inceldom is just an edgy aesthetic/secret club for edgelords. inceldom is a condition that haunts you for your entire life and there's no escape from it

remember when that article of a foid crying because she hadn't a hug for 20 weeks in quarantine got posted here and everyone was saying how stupid it is? then those exact same people turn around and say you can be incel if you haven't had sex for 20 weeks JFL

 

[Deleted member 1060]

remember when that article of a foid crying because she hadn't a hug for 20 weeks in quarantine got posted here and everyone was saying how stupid it is? then those exact same people turn around and say you can be incel if you haven't had sex for 20 weeks JFL

JFL.

 

[ToxicPersonality]

Yeah now the majority of men who do have sex only have it maybe two or three times per month with their gf and then possibly years inbetween gfs, with each iteration getting lower and lower quality and the sex spaced farther out

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Ok, well then if you disregard the donnelly study, how do you define "volcel"? if a guy is never approached but doesn't approach, he can claim incel correct?

1. If a guy can get laid every 6th month (i.e. twice in a year), is he still an incel?
2. This definition also suggest that a guy can transition from an incel to a non-incel (and vice-versa) within an hour. If the guy gets laid exactly on the 5 months 30th day 23rd hour he suddenly becomes a non-cel from an incel. Then again until the next 5th month 30th day and 23rd hour, he stays as an incel. JFL.

retarded gatekeeping cope argument. you are honestly suggesting there are loads of people who get laid once every 6 months, go on a dry spell, don't get laid for another 6 months, then get laid, then another 6 month dry spell, then get laid?

complete bullshit and you know it.

the real blackpill is that you're such a loser that you need to be the ultimate victim in life so you gatekeep any incel who isn't 100% truecel

 

[AnonAutist]

You shouldn't get that hung up on definitions, that is stuff egghead academicucks waste their time on. I think the 6 months probably is a very apt working definition, it effectively rules out all people in relationships, sexually active normies and Chads and leaves you with mostly what we think of as incels and some low tier normies on a dry spell.

Instead of muckering about the definition just go on to talk about at what age you can diagnose inceldom. Psychiatrists will only diagnose personality disorders if the patient is in young adulthood so ~21 22ish, since youth can cause behaviour and a character change. At what age can you safely conclude you are incel and no longer an angsty late bloomer teenager?

Additionally look at making an inceldom index, or a grades of inceldom categorical system. Something like this:

gradations of inceldom, with inceldom defined as a minimum of 6 months of no sexual activity (higher ranking = lower degree of inceldom):

1. Low tier normie on dry spell (obviously not virgin, some sexual and relational experience)
2. Youngcel (high schooler/middle schooler that is virgin, kissless, hugless and handholdlessness - realistically most will ascend)
3. Fakecel (non-virgin, had sex once or twice with a girl who was not a prosti but now incel)
4. Trucel (virgin after 22)
5. Oldcel/wizard (adult virgin over age of 30)

Degrees like this work because as you descend down the list the frequency decreases (% of overall population) and suffering and dysfunction increase until you get to terminal cases of inceldom from which you cannot conceivably ascend.

Sort of matches the /v/ virgin age meter meme made about 10 years ago.

 

[grondilu]

This definition is ridiculous. There is a qualitative difference between a guy who had sex six months ago and a guy who NEVER had sex.

 

[Macrocephalus]

This is bullshit. If all it takes to be an incel is going sexless for 6 months than at least 1/3 of the male population is incel at any given time

 

[Deleted member 1060]

Ok, well then if you disregard the donnelly study, how do you define "volcel"?

To me, volcels are incels with high standards, for example, incels who don't want to fuck grannies.

if a guy is never approached but doesn't approach, he can claim incel correct?

If a guy was never approached by any foid, then it's highly likely that he won't get anything even if he approaches. Don't know, may be we can keep saying him as a volcel until he approaches.

retarded gatekeeping cope argument. you are honestly suggesting there are loads of people who get laid once every 6 months, go on a dry spell, don't get laid for another 6 months, then get laid, then another 6 month dry spell, then get laid?

It does not mean the gap has to be exactly 6 months. It can be 3 months, 1 month, 8 months, 1 year, 2 year, 5 year and can be any number. The term "dry spell" means exactly that. Many foids go over "dry-spell", they keep waiting for chads. So are they incels?

the real blackpill is that you're such a loser that you need to be the ultimate victim in life so you gatekeep any incel who isn't 100% truecel

If someone can get sex, even as less as once in 5 years, he is not an incel.

This definition is ridiculous. There is a qualitative difference between a guy who had sex six months ago and a guy who NEVER had sex.

This is bullshit. If all it takes to be an incel is going sexless for 6 months than at least 1/3 of the male population is incel at any given time

HighIQ post.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

It does not mean the gap has to be exactly 6 months. It can be 3 months, 1 month, 8 months, 1 year, 2 year, 5 year and can be any number. The term "dry spell" means exactly that. Many foids go over "dry-spell", they keep waiting for chads. So are they incels?

foids are never incels because of tinder and online dating.
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here's another serious question. high school, college, post school, all different environments.

if a dude with a 5/10 face gets laid in high school, but is a manlet when he goes to college, and can't get laid, is he not incel?

if a dude fucks a drunk chick at a college party, but after college doesn't have a soycial circle with access to foids because he works 40 hours a week, and can't get laid because tinder is chad only, is he not incel?

 

[Deleted member 1060]

I think the 6 months probably is a very apt working definition,

Why not 5 months or 8 months? Why 6?

 

[AnonAutist]

You're missing the point, 6 months is half a year, a sufficiently long time and a measure of time most normal humans can easily imagine. There is too little data on inceldom to statistically determine a cut off point based on hard data and hard criteria.

 

[Deleted member 1060]

if a dude with a 5/10 face gets laid in high school, but is a manlet when he goes to college, and can't get laid, is he not incel?

That's why 6 month timeline does not make much sense. There is no way to know if someone is a future incel.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

That's why 6 month timeline does not make much sense. There is no way to know if someone is a future incel.

so you agree you can be a non virgin incel even if you fucked non hookers. interesting

 

[Deleted member 1060]

You're missing the point, 6 months is half a year, a sufficiently long time and a measure of time most normal humans can easily imagine.

Lmfao let's say a group of guys are getting sex twice in a year on average, which roughly makes one sex every 6 months, are they incels?

so you agree you can be a non virgin incel even if you fucked non hookers. interesting

I'm not trying to come up with a new definition. Just pointing out the fact that that "6 months" number does not make much sense.

That's why the timeline needs to be way longer than 6 months, not just that, there has to be a minimum age cut-off.

I would say 5 years. If someone is 20+ years old and couldn't get laid for 5 years, he is an incel.

I don't know, just an idea.

 

[Deleted member 23944]

You're missing the point, 6 months is half a year, a sufficiently long time and a measure of time most normal humans can easily imagine. There is too little data on inceldom to statistically determine a cut off point based on hard data and hard criteria.

27% of men are virgins past 18. 28% have not had sex in a year past 18.

I mean there's clearly a very easy definition here...

 

[Hell]

Anyone agreeing with the 6 month definition should be immediately banned for fakeceling.

 

[Numb]

funny how thats been on the wiki for years

 

[Deleted member 1060]

Anyone agreeing with the 6 month definition should be immediately banned for fakeceling.

funny how thats been on the wiki for years

Legit.