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Theory A logical and Kantian analysis on beauty in correlation to the blackpill.

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This post aims to explore Immanuel Kant's theory of beauty, delving into his ideas on aesthetic judgment, disinterestedness, and the sublime. From a link with the blackpill, we will critically analyze Kant's contributions to aesthetics and their implications. By examining his concepts in a sincere manner, we aim to gain a deeper understanding of Kant's thoughts on beauty and their significance in the field of philosophy, beyond the war worn out terminology and spent etymology. Formal logic will also be used to reinforce or refute arguments and definitions.

1: Beauty and aesthetic judgment: the subjective-universal nexus.

1.1 The concept of subjective judgment according to Kant.

Immanuel Kant's exploration of beauty acknowledges the inherent subjectivity of individual experiences and personal tastes in aesthetic judgment. According to Kant, beauty is not an objective quality inherent in objects themselves but rather a product of our subjective perception and the cognitive faculties we bring to bear on our experience.

Kant argues that when we encounter an object of beauty, we engage in a subjective judgment based on our individual preferences, sensibilities, and cultural background. The qualities we find pleasing or captivating may differ from person to person, as our aesthetic tastes are shaped by our unique histories and perspectives.

In this context, subjective judgment does not imply a relativistic view where anything can be considered beautiful. Kant emphasizes that while judgments of beauty are subjective, they are not purely arbitrary or random. Instead, they are guided by principles rooted in our shared human nature and common understanding of aesthetic experiences.

Kant proposes that aesthetic judgments involve a reflective and deliberate assessment of an object's form, harmony, and proportion. These judgments arise from the interaction between our sensory perception and our cognitive faculties, such as imagination and understanding. While subjectivity is a fundamental aspect of aesthetic judgment, it is not divorced from reason and critical reflection.

Moreover, Kant acknowledges the influence of cultural and historical factors on aesthetic judgment. Different cultures and periods may have distinct aesthetic norms and preferences, shaping the way individuals perceive and evaluate beauty. However, Kant maintains that there are certain universal principles and standards that transcend cultural boundaries, allowing for shared judgments of beauty.

By acknowledging the role of subjectivity in aesthetic judgment, Kant provides a framework that recognizes and respects individual differences in taste and preference. He does not seek to impose a rigid and dogmatic notion of beauty but rather acknowledges the richness and diversity of human aesthetic experiences, because ultimately, there is no beauty without sensory perception and its measurement depends on the inherent intersubjectivity.

Beauty is indeed no quality of the object itself; I even allow that it is not a quality of the mere representation of the object, but is only attributed to the object by means of a judgment of taste which is itself grounded on no concept of the object. (Critique of the Power of Judgment)

1.2 The inability to consider beauty as objective but intersubjective.

Based on this, any consideration of understanding beauty as an objective fact is etymologically false because there is no quality of beauty without sensory perception:

Beauty is objective and measurable in the brain, [...], primarily, the insula appeared responsible for judging whether something was beautiful or not, and if something was beautiful, the amygdala would then be activated to provide an emotional response. Researchers state this suggests that both our capacity to detect beauty and enjoy the pleasurable sensations it elicits are strongly hardwired into our brain structure. (Source)
Thus, the scientific blackpill contradicts itself by speaking of an objective beauty —that is, by the very nature of beauty of the object—, and linking it to the perception of the brain is to define beauty as an intersubjective value encoded in our neural nature, but it does not respond in itself to the fact that things are beautiful because of their objective nature. That is, beauty cannot be defined as objective because it cannot exist without sensory perception and there is no measurable beauty other than a measurement of what our neural code understands as appetizing.

Outside of sensory perception, there is no beauty and no measurement of beauty. Therefore, beauty is not objective and it is not measurable.

2: The logical and formal proof:

2. 1. Beauty is not objective and measurable outside the brain:

Premise 1: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))
2. 2. Nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception:

Premise 2: ~(∃x)(S(x) ∧ O(x))
2. 3. Assuming the above premises, beauty cannot be objective or measurable —except in the neural response to neurally pleasing stimuli—.

Premise 3: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))

Concluding the second premise: nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception.
 
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This doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of women consider this man to be an ugly subhuman and all he can do is pray to find a girl who will accept him
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This doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of women consider this man to be an ugly subhuman and all he can do is pray to find a girl who will accept him
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They are two irrelevant concepts. This is a logical analysis based on what is meant by "beauty" and what is meant by "objective". Objectively, it has been shown that beauty is intersubjective because there is no intrinsic nature or existence of beauty without sensory perception, and there is no measurement of beauty except through sensory perception. Therefore, beauty is not objective (it does not exist outside of the subjects) nor can its measurement exist as an independent entity since it requires the judgment of a mind neurally programmed for that purpose.
 
They are two irrelevant concepts. This is a logical analysis based on what is meant by "beauty" and what is meant by "objective". Objectively, it has been shown that beauty is intersubjective because there is no intrinsic nature or existence of beauty without sensory perception, and there is no measurement of beauty except through sensory perception. Therefore, beauty is not objective (it does not exist outside of the subjects) nor can its measurement exist as an independent entity since it requires the judgment of a mind neurally programmed for that purpose.
I agree. But, just because beauty is subjective, it doesn't mean, that subhuman can slay, because vast majority of women, subjectively find him repulsive.
For ugly men, beauty being subjective or objective is relevant.
 
I agree. But, just because beauty is subjective, it doesn't mean, that subhuman can slay, because vast majority of women, subjectively find him repulsive.
For ugly men, beauty being subjective or objective is relevant.
Of course, because intrinsically every human being is neurally programmed to make this judgment of what is attractive and beautiful. However, I repeat, the scientific blackpill starts from a wrong etimological, logical vocabulary and fundamental mistake.
 
Bro you're high iq as fuck.
 
Of course, because intrinsically every human being is neurally programmed to make this judgment of what is attractive and beautiful. However, I repeat, the scientific blackpill starts from a fundamental error.
There are some fetishes that make women attracted to ugly men, but they are so rare and specific, that average ugly man can't never find woman with that kind of taste.
 
There are some fetishes that make women attracted to ugly men, but they are so rare and specific, that average ugly man can't never find woman with that kind of taste.
It is obvious that every fetish has a minority proportion and in any statistical distribution, it is most likely that these men who are loved by certain fetishes have already monopolized the base of these fetishes.

For this reason, the blackpill can never be understood as a law in stone but rather a statistical distribution whose achievement in the real world is based on high probabilities. For this reason, outliners or unicorns will always be, in statistical terms, an exception to the rule.
 
hey @Intellectual, this is what a high IQ thread looks like faggot soyditter
 
Yeah I have seen people that don't have chad features and they are still considered somewhat attractive and can still slay
 
This post aims to explore Immanuel Kant's theory of beauty, delving into his ideas on aesthetic judgment, disinterestedness, and the sublime. From a link with the blackpill, we will critically analyze Kant's contributions to aesthetics and their implications. By examining his concepts in a sincere manner, we aim to gain a deeper understanding of Kant's thoughts on beauty and their significance in the field of philosophy, beyond the war worn out terminology and spent etymology. Formal logic will also be used to reinforce or refute arguments and definitions.

1: Beauty and aesthetic judgment: the subjective-universal nexus.

1.1 The concept of subjective judgment according to Kant.

Immanuel Kant's exploration of beauty acknowledges the inherent subjectivity of individual experiences and personal tastes in aesthetic judgment. According to Kant, beauty is not an objective quality inherent in objects themselves but rather a product of our subjective perception and the cognitive faculties we bring to bear on our experience.

Kant argues that when we encounter an object of beauty, we engage in a subjective judgment based on our individual preferences, sensibilities, and cultural background. The qualities we find pleasing or captivating may differ from person to person, as our aesthetic tastes are shaped by our unique histories and perspectives.

In this context, subjective judgment does not imply a relativistic view where anything can be considered beautiful. Kant emphasizes that while judgments of beauty are subjective, they are not purely arbitrary or random. Instead, they are guided by principles rooted in our shared human nature and common understanding of aesthetic experiences.

Kant proposes that aesthetic judgments involve a reflective and deliberate assessment of an object's form, harmony, and proportion. These judgments arise from the interaction between our sensory perception and our cognitive faculties, such as imagination and understanding. While subjectivity is a fundamental aspect of aesthetic judgment, it is not divorced from reason and critical reflection.

Moreover, Kant acknowledges the influence of cultural and historical factors on aesthetic judgment. Different cultures and periods may have distinct aesthetic norms and preferences, shaping the way individuals perceive and evaluate beauty. However, Kant maintains that there are certain universal principles and standards that transcend cultural boundaries, allowing for shared judgments of beauty.

By acknowledging the role of subjectivity in aesthetic judgment, Kant provides a framework that recognizes and respects individual differences in taste and preference. He does not seek to impose a rigid and dogmatic notion of beauty but rather acknowledges the richness and diversity of human aesthetic experiences, because ultimately, there is no beauty without sensory perception and its measurement depends on the inherent intersubjectivity.



1.2 The inability to consider beauty as objective but intersubjective.

Based on this, any consideration of understanding beauty as an objective fact is etymologically false because there is no quality of beauty without sensory perception:


Thus, the scientific blackpill contradicts itself by speaking of an objective beauty —that is, by the very nature of beauty of the object—, and linking it to the perception of the brain is to define beauty as an intersubjective value encoded in our neural nature, but it does not respond in itself to the fact that things are beautiful because of their objective nature. That is, beauty cannot be defined as objective because it cannot exist without sensory perception and there is no measurable beauty other than a measurement of what our neural code understands as appetizing.

Outside of sensory perception, there is no beauty and no measurement of beauty. Therefore, beauty is not objective and it is not measurable.

2: The logical and formal proof:

2. 1. Beauty is not objective and measurable outside the brain:

Premise 1: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))
2. 2. Nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception:

Premise 2: ~(∃x)(S(x) ∧ O(x))
2. 3. Assuming the above premises, beauty cannot be objective or measurable —except in the neural response to neurally pleasing stimuli—.

Premise 3: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))

Concluding the second premise: nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception.
Beauty is subjective,

so is pain.

The vast majority of people would prefer to use anaesthetic when undergoing a root canal operation at the dentist.

A more clear case is going to the gym. Some people get euphoria after a training session, others don't -- they may still go to the gym for health reasons but it is not the highlight of their day.

Likewise, there are some masochistic persons who would enjoy having a root canal without painkillers. Those are few. But none of them would say the pain doesn't exist or that it is a trivial experience.

So,
Out of 4 billion foids, there are bound to exist some who get off on fucking men others consider ugly (like the masochists do with painful stimuli). But more typically they put up with the discomfort of starfish-fucking an ugly dude once a month for other reasons, like social pressure, or betabux, for instance (like the health-conscious gymgoer).

If a male won't offer status or resources, to attract socially or materially conscious foids (like the health-conscious gymgoers), his only possibility of association is with a lustful foid who enjoys his genetic potential. If the male also lacks genetic potential, then his possibility of association is reduced to masochistic-like foids who enjoy being degraded by association with ugly, low-status, broke men. Those foids I'll call "Anti-Briffaultsards" since they're driven to act against the briffault law.
 
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Beauty is subjective,

so is pain.
Correct.

I certainly appreciate your interventions always, however, I consider that your intervention with the matrix of this post is irrelevant. This post has sought to demonstrate that objectively beauty, despite the redundancy, is neither objective nor does it have an objective nature outside of perception and that it cannot be measured beyond sensory perception.

This does not exclude the fact that human beings are neurally programmed to respond to certain stimuli developed over thousands of years of evolution, like pain, or physical attraction based on natural selection. However, again, this excludes the analysis of this post, which is to criticize a fundamental error within the scientific blackpill, without the intention gaslight its discoveries.

Greetings, brocel.
 
Of course, because intrinsically every human being is neurally programmed to make this judgment of what is attractive and beautiful. However, I repeat, the scientific blackpill starts from a wrong etimological, logical vocabulary and fundamental mistake.
Cope. Beauty is objective. Beauty is connected to health and ugliness - to disease.
If you look at ancient Greek female sculptures or female figures in ancient Indian temples, they are both symmetric.
 
You're a walking IQ mogger. I can't read every single word, too many complex words displayed at once.
 
Cope. Beauty is objective. Beauty is connected to health and ugliness - to disease.
If you look at ancient Greek female sculptures or female figures in ancient Indian temples, they are both symmetric.
1. Beauty is objective.
2. Beauty is connected to health and ugliness.
3. The question of symmetry.

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1. As demonstrated above, beauty and its measurement cannot be established outside of sensory perception.
2 and 3.

Contrary to the hypothesis that symmetry cues health, the largest study of facial asymmetry and health to date found no relationship between these variables. Researchers used data from a British cohort study of 4732 individuals and found that facial symmetry at age 15 was unrelated to longitudinal measures of childhood health, including measures of the proportion of childhood years spent unwell, the average number of illness symptoms per year, and the total number of infections (Source)
3. No refutation has been given about everything written before.

1. ~(∃x)(Beauty(x) ∧ ¬SensePerception(x)) ∧ ~(∃x)(Measurement(x) ∧ ¬SensePerception(x))
2. ~(Asymmetry(x) ∧ Ugliness(x)) ∧ ~(¬Asymmetry(x) ∧ ¬Ugliness(x))
3. ~(Refutation(x))

There is no beauty that goes beyond sensory perception, since there is no measurable beauty outside of neurally programmed criteria as beautiful or lacking in beauty, by parallel comparison.
 
1. Beauty is objective.
2. Beauty is connected to health and ugliness.
3. The question of symmetry.

--

1. As demonstrated above, beauty and its measurement cannot be established outside of sensory perception.
2 and 3.


3. No refutation has been given about everything written before.

1. ~(∃x)(Beauty(x) ∧ ¬SensePerception(x)) ∧ ~(∃x)(Measurement(x) ∧ ¬SensePerception(x))
2. ~(Asymmetry(x) ∧ Ugliness(x)) ∧ ~(¬Asymmetry(x) ∧ ¬Ugliness(x))
3. ~(Refutation(x))

There is no beauty that goes beyond sensory perception, since there is no measurable beauty outside of neurally programmed criteria as beautiful or lacking in beauty, by parallel comparison.
I'm low IQ to argue with arguments. Do you think she would be considered ugly by Cambodians, Tuareg, Samoans or Chileans?

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I'm low IQ to argue with arguments. Do you think she would be considered ugly by Cambodians, Tuareg, Samoans or Chileans?

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Esteemed brocel, this thread that I have created does not have the objective of criticizing or seeking to deny the blackpill, we are neurally programmed to feel attracted to and perceive certain structures as beautiful. However, that has not been the subject of my debate, as you can you read more carefully.
 
This post aims to explore Immanuel Kant's theory of beauty, delving into his ideas on aesthetic judgment, disinterestedness, and the sublime. From a link with the blackpill, we will critically analyze Kant's contributions to aesthetics and their implications. By examining his concepts in a sincere manner, we aim to gain a deeper understanding of Kant's thoughts on beauty and their significance in the field of philosophy, beyond the war worn out terminology and spent etymology. Formal logic will also be used to reinforce or refute arguments and definitions.

1: Beauty and aesthetic judgment: the subjective-universal nexus.

1.1 The concept of subjective judgment according to Kant.

Immanuel Kant's exploration of beauty acknowledges the inherent subjectivity of individual experiences and personal tastes in aesthetic judgment. According to Kant, beauty is not an objective quality inherent in objects themselves but rather a product of our subjective perception and the cognitive faculties we bring to bear on our experience.

Kant argues that when we encounter an object of beauty, we engage in a subjective judgment based on our individual preferences, sensibilities, and cultural background. The qualities we find pleasing or captivating may differ from person to person, as our aesthetic tastes are shaped by our unique histories and perspectives.

In this context, subjective judgment does not imply a relativistic view where anything can be considered beautiful. Kant emphasizes that while judgments of beauty are subjective, they are not purely arbitrary or random. Instead, they are guided by principles rooted in our shared human nature and common understanding of aesthetic experiences.

Kant proposes that aesthetic judgments involve a reflective and deliberate assessment of an object's form, harmony, and proportion. These judgments arise from the interaction between our sensory perception and our cognitive faculties, such as imagination and understanding. While subjectivity is a fundamental aspect of aesthetic judgment, it is not divorced from reason and critical reflection.

Moreover, Kant acknowledges the influence of cultural and historical factors on aesthetic judgment. Different cultures and periods may have distinct aesthetic norms and preferences, shaping the way individuals perceive and evaluate beauty. However, Kant maintains that there are certain universal principles and standards that transcend cultural boundaries, allowing for shared judgments of beauty.

By acknowledging the role of subjectivity in aesthetic judgment, Kant provides a framework that recognizes and respects individual differences in taste and preference. He does not seek to impose a rigid and dogmatic notion of beauty but rather acknowledges the richness and diversity of human aesthetic experiences, because ultimately, there is no beauty without sensory perception and its measurement depends on the inherent intersubjectivity.



1.2 The inability to consider beauty as objective but intersubjective.

Based on this, any consideration of understanding beauty as an objective fact is etymologically false because there is no quality of beauty without sensory perception:


Thus, the scientific blackpill contradicts itself by speaking of an objective beauty —that is, by the very nature of beauty of the object—, and linking it to the perception of the brain is to define beauty as an intersubjective value encoded in our neural nature, but it does not respond in itself to the fact that things are beautiful because of their objective nature. That is, beauty cannot be defined as objective because it cannot exist without sensory perception and there is no measurable beauty other than a measurement of what our neural code understands as appetizing.

Outside of sensory perception, there is no beauty and no measurement of beauty. Therefore, beauty is not objective and it is not measurable.

2: The logical and formal proof:

2. 1. Beauty is not objective and measurable outside the brain:

Premise 1: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))
2. 2. Nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception:

Premise 2: ~(∃x)(S(x) ∧ O(x))
2. 3. Assuming the above premises, beauty cannot be objective or measurable —except in the neural response to neurally pleasing stimuli—.

Premise 3: ~(O(B) ∧ M(B))

Concluding the second premise: nothing has an objective nature if it depends on sensory perception.
Related:https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Does_objective_reality_exist?
 

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