Serious As an incel, is it easier to "ascend" if you have a wageslave job compared to being a NEET?

[Redbeard7]

We've all heard normies claim that getting a job would increase the chances of incel NEETs getting a girlfriend. Normies may attempt to support this claim with the (likely) fact that wageslaves are less likely to be single/celibate than NEETs. However, this ignores an obvious counterpoint, which is that incel NEETs are in their position because of their inherent characteristics (for example, autism) and if the NEET were to get a job, he would still largely (if not entirely) have the same characteristics as before.

NEETs often live a hikikomori-type lifestyle which entails inceldom but this is not an essential characteristic of NEETdom. In fact, I wonder whether for many, you have a better chance of "ascending" as a NEET than as a wageslave, other things being equal:

Finding a woman as a NEET at university vs finding a woman as a wageslave

- There’s a far bigger pool of women at university

- There are many public and social events at university where you can meet women with similar interests

- The larger pool of men at university provides networking opportunities and thus the ability to meet women via one’s social circle

- Women at university tend to be younger (prime years, more feminine, less cynical, fewer previous partners)

- Women at university tend to have higher IQ’s and be more interested in ideas/subjects

- Women at university can be helped with their work, especially if you have knowledge of their subject/subjects

- Women at university tend to have more time and energy for social activities

- Women at university tend not to be dependent on an employer

- Woman at university tend to be both less financially independent and less money-minded

- As a NEET, you have far more time and energy to find a compatible woman​

 

[ElTruecel]

After HS/uni it’s harder. It is def not that easy at work

 

[Ron.Belgrade]

As an incel, is it easier to "ascend" if you have a wageslave job compared to being a NEET?​

yes, 100%

neeting is literally good for nothing on the long term

 

[Initium]

we should collectively take the NEET pledge, I’m sick of working 2 jobs and not getting laid.

If incels went on a work strike we would force change overnight. Instead we just seem to do nothing.

 

[wasted12years]

Probably no difference if you have a minimum wage job. She will just complain to you not earning enough to please her.

 

[GhostRick02]

I mean "ofcourse" , like being a neet means you don't study, you don't work and you are not active socially basically unless you already have a social circle... if you are a sex-haver you wouldn't have all this problems... imagine

 

[starystulejarz]

If you work at retail or are some low status job with no foids around like guard then nope you won't ascend no matter what. And if it's a nerdy tech job then it's the same, also foids hate handymen so no matter what you do you can't win only unnatural garbage office jobs can potentially give you a foid but at same time you can go to jail for imaginary harassment and eyerape.

 

[PoodankMcGee]

Blah blah no no and Fuck no. Pointless conversation for truecels. Ive been out of uni wagecucking in an office job for years now and im not ascending either way.

In college theres more young women around but theyre all experienced whores already haremmaxxing around chad, and youre competing with tallfaggot rich moggers all the time, so the superficial seeming abundance of pussy is irrelevant in practice.

In wagecucking in my experience most everyone is old and married already and the few that arent dont want to talk to me unless it's asking me to help them with work.

Fuck all this shit burn every foid, simp, chad, and kike to ashes. Would neet if i could but my parents are bastards that force me to work and ill eventually end up homeless if i dont kill myself.

 

[copecel00]

Dnr

 

[Redbeard7]

Dnr

Still clicked and commented.

 

[copecel00]

Still clicked and commented.

Cope

 

[Redbeard7]

Cope

Again!

 

[Incel Philosopher]

If you are in Uni you are by definition not a NEET, so I don't understand why you used that for comparison.

From my experience it makes no difference unless you get a high-paying/high-status job. I've had a couple of jobs in the past and women would treat me the same as always - i.e. they would stay away from me. Now I'm a NEET and I'm at least more content with life.

 

[gymletethnicel]

f you are in Uni you are by definition not a NEET

 

[NatsumeSouseki]

how the fuck are you a neet if youre in uni.....at least understand the terminology before you post, fedcel

 

[edgelordcel]

As an incel, is it easier to "ascend"​

incel
ascend

pick one

 

[Redbeard7]

If you are in Uni you are by definition not a NEET, so I don't understand why you used that for comparison.

From my experience it makes no difference unless you get a high-paying/high-status job. I've had a couple of jobs in the past and women would treat me the same as always - i.e. they would stay away from me. Now I'm a NEET and I'm at least more content with life.

If you're a "philosopher" then try to apply sound logic.

You can use university facilities while being a NEET. There's nothing stopping you from using the university library for example.

 

[Incel Philosopher]

If you're a "philosopher" then try to apply sound logic.

You can use university facilities while being a NEET. There's nothing stopping you from using the university library for example.

Not really. In my country you need a student ID to access things like college libraries.
Your post doesn't have sound logic. So "NEET at university" to you means hanging around at a campus you're not enrolled in?
The foids, and students in general, will just see you as a weirdo.

 

[incel god]

if a man is ugly he is not getting a girlfriend.

 

[Redbeard7]

Not really. In my country you need a student ID to access things like college libraries.
Your post doesn't have sound logic. So "NEET at university" to you means hanging around at a campus you're not enrolled in?
The foids, and students in general, will just see you as a weirdo.

"Your post doesn't have sound logic."

My original post has perfect logic even if it doesn't apply universally. It's your reply which lacked logic as you projected your personal circumstances on to everyone else, assuming that they couldn't simultaneously be a NEET and use the local university. Logically people can, which you've now implicitly admitted.

"The foids, and students in general, will just see you as a weirdo."

Depends on a number of factors. Do you "pass" as a typical student? Do you come across as a weird person? What are your reasons for being at university? If you attend university sports clubs for example, that gives you a good reason. Attending lectures out of a desire to learn new things would be another (they never have a register). Using the library to read and study and using businesses on campus are others. Ofc one could enrol online but that costs money and forces you to sacrifice certain freedoms.​

 

[Logic55]

We've all heard normies claim that getting a job would increase the chances of incel NEETs getting a girlfriend. Normies may attempt to support this claim with the (likely) fact that wageslaves are less likely to be single/celibate than NEETs. However, this ignores an obvious counterpoint, which is that incel NEETs are in their position because of their inherent characteristics (for example, autism) and if the NEET were to get a job, he would still largely (if not entirely) have the same characteristics as before.

NEETs often live a hikikomori-type lifestyle which entails inceldom but this is not an essential characteristic of NEETdom. In fact, I wonder whether for many, you have a better chance of "ascending" as a NEET than as a wageslave, other things being equal:

Finding a woman as a NEET at university vs finding a woman as a wageslave

- There’s a far bigger pool of women at university

- There are many public and social events at university where you can meet women with similar interests

- The larger pool of men at university provides networking opportunities and thus the ability to meet women via one’s social circle

- Women at university tend to be younger (prime years, more feminine, less cynical, fewer previous partners)

- Women at university tend to have higher IQ’s and be more interested in ideas/subjects

- Women at university can be helped with their work, especially if you have knowledge of their subject/subjects

- Women at university tend to have more time and energy for social activities

- Women at university tend not to be dependent on an employer

- Woman at university tend to be both less financially independent and less money-minded

- As a NEET, you have far more time and energy to find a compatible woman​

Nope, as a failed normie who works at a restaurant and attends college, you won't get a gf unless you are physically attractive.

 

[Incel Philosopher]

"The foids, and students in general, will just see you as a weirdo."

Depends on a number of factors. Do you "pass" as a typical student? Do you come across as a weird person? What are your reasons for being at university? If you attend university sports clubs for example, that gives you a good reason. Attending lectures out of a desire to learn new things would be another (they never have a register). Using the library to read and study and using businesses on campus are others. Ofc one could enrol online but that costs money and forces you to sacrifice certain freedoms.​

Since when do universities have libraries and sports clubs open to the public?
Lectures are but there are plenty of recorded lectures online, on any subject you want.
There is no reason to do this other than for talking to foids.

You are creating a silly hypothetical which doesn't apply to 99.9% of NEETs.

 

[SteelCentaur]

No, a wageslave job ain't gonna change a damn thing. You're gonna have to be rich, then you can buy a gold digger who will inevitably cuck and/or divorce rape you. They will NEVER love you unless you're a Chad.

 

[war_with_myself]

no.
t. careercel

 

[Vendetta]

nigga if u never had females interested in you when u were in school then its FUCKING OVER FOR YOU

 

[zerozerozero]

ive been wagecucking for the last few years and still havent even come close to getting a gf

 

[Redbeard7]

Since when do universities have libraries and sports clubs open to the public?
Lectures are but there are plenty of recorded lectures online, on any subject you want.
There is no reason to do this other than for talking to foids.

You are creating a silly hypothetical which doesn't apply to 99.9% of NEETs.

My university library (British uni) is open to the public and there is at least one relevant sports class close to campus which is affiliated with the university that I am interested in attending and able to attend. I think I can register as a guest on their website and attend others on campus as well but I will have to find out and it's not strictly necessary. I will do this after I've completed most of my goals (getting into very good physical condition, driving licence etc.) Attending lectures enables you to scope out the women and also gain specific, course-accurate knowledge of their subjects.

"There is no reason to do this other than for talking to foids."

The whole point is to get a girlfriend/wife, so talking to women is a vital first step in that process! University has a huge number of them and they are younger and nerdier on average than wageslave women, who you may have to meet on online dating sites (which I'm not interested in).

"You are creating a silly hypothetical which doesn't apply to 99.9% of NEETs."

Do you have statistics on the percentage of NEETs in relationships?

NEETdom is what you make of it to a large degree. If you use the massive time advantage productively, you can accomplish a lot. Most NEETs are depressed and have a defeatist mindset, to the point where (for example) they feel that it's intuitively impossible to use campus facilities as a NEET, as if they have some kind of force field around them.​

 

[GodspeedPeasant]

how can you be neet while in varsity?

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

no, it's over

 

[Incel Philosopher]

Do you have statistics on the percentage of NEETs in relationships?

NEETdom is what you make of it to a large degree. If you use the massive time advantage productively, you can accomplish a lot. Most NEETs are depressed and have a defeatist mindset, to the point where (for example) they feel that it's intuitively impossible to use campus facilities as a NEET, as if they have some kind of force field around them.​

I don't care about the percentage of NEETs in relationships. Obviously if Chad is a NEET, he can still get laid. We care about the difference it makes for an incel.

99.9% of NEETs are not trying to be weirdos on a college campus. The only way you might get away with this is if you are college-aged i.e. you clearly look under 25. But if you are an older NEET and you were not able to attract these kinds of women when you were younger, why would they date you now?

 

[scihub]

My university library (British uni) is open to the public and there is at least one relevant sports class close to campus which is affiliated with the university that I am interested in attending and able to attend. I think I can register as a guest on their website and attend others on campus as well but I will have to find out and it's not strictly necessary. I will do this after I've completed most of my goals (getting into very good physical condition, driving licence etc.) Attending lectures enables you to scope out the women and also gain specific, course-accurate knowledge of their subjects.

"There is no reason to do this other than for talking to foids."

The whole point is to get a girlfriend/wife, so talking to women is a vital first step in that process! University has a huge number of them and they are younger and nerdier on average than wageslave women, who you may have to meet on online dating sites (which I'm not interested in).

"You are creating a silly hypothetical which doesn't apply to 99.9% of NEETs."

Do you have statistics on the percentage of NEETs in relationships?

NEETdom is what you make of it to a large degree. If you use the massive time advantage productively, you can accomplish a lot. Most NEETs are depressed and have a defeatist mindset, to the point where (for example) they feel that it's intuitively impossible to use campus facilities as a NEET, as if they have some kind of force field around them.​

Now this is an interesting strategy. You're essentially proposing to be a NEET yourself, but to make use of the government subsidized facilities that universities provide in order to maximize chances of meeting women on the government dime?

This would also work in the USA btw, as many facilities are open to the public, and can even be accessed on nearly equal footing to students through the use of guest passes. Libraries, even gym facilities. You can audit classes for less than 100 bucks. Social events are advertised on bulletin boards you can view in public areas like student union. I can see this being very workable, but only if you can get past the barriers of being a non-student. All they talk about it "what is your major, what are you training to be etc.".
Without a compelling narrative/elevator pitch, you might just get the cops called on you for being a creeper.

 

[Redbeard7]

I don't care about the percentage of NEETs in relationships. Obviously if Chad is a NEET, he can still get laid. We care about the difference it makes for an incel.

99.9% of NEETs are not trying to be weirdos on a college campus. The only way you might get away with this is if you are college-aged i.e. you clearly look under 25. But if you are an older NEET and you were not able to attract these kinds of women when you were younger, why would they date you now?

"99.9% of NEETs are not trying to be weirdos on a college campus."

Indeed, most are just hiding in their rot dens masturbating to some depraved porn.

"99.9%" is not scientific and reveals your hyperbolic emotionalism.

"The only way you might get away with this is if you are college-aged i.e. you clearly look under 25."

Looking young certainly helps you blend in, although you will occasionally see older students on campus. I concede it's less viable if you're obviously not in your 20's.

"why would they date you now?"

Men can overcome serious problems with time. Maybe you were depressed back then, had a crippling lack of confidence etc.​

 

[Incel Philosopher]

"why would they date you now?"

Men can overcome serious problems with time. Maybe you were depressed back then, had a crippling lack of confidence etc.​

What kind of bluepill shit is this? So, you think a man can be incel solely due to depression?
Depression doesn't happen randomly, it's a consequence of other things in your life being fucked up. Incel depression is a consequence of the other traits preventing you from attracting women like lack of looks, lack of status.

 

[Redbeard7]

Now this is an interesting strategy. You're essentially proposing to be a NEET yourself, but to make use of the government subsidized facilities that universities provide in order to maximize chances of meeting women on the government dime?

This would also work in the USA btw, as many facilities are open to the public, and can even be accessed on nearly equal footing to students through the use of guest passes. Libraries, even gym facilities. You can audit classes for less than 100 bucks. Social events are advertised on bulletin boards you can view in public areas like student union. I can see this being very workable, but only if you can get past the barriers of being a non-student. All they talk about it "what is your major, what are you training to be etc.".
Without a compelling narrative/elevator pitch, you might just get the cops called on you for being a creeper.

"Now this is an interesting strategy."

Cheers. I'll post a different but compatible strategy after I've replied here.

I added these thoughts to my personal copy of the OP after (you are not allowed to edit after 30 mins on this site)

"The idea though is not to cold approach indiscriminately (which would destroy your reputation, invite reprisals and needlessly dent your confidence/self-esteem) but to seek out women who you think are most likely to be compatible with you. Attending lectures, clubs, events, visiting businesses on campus and the university library, as well as gaining knowledge of the campus, would be useful in this regard. Having prior university experience and being in or passing for your 20’s is also advantageous."

"Without a compelling narrative/elevator pitch, you might just get the cops called on you for being a creeper."

Indeed, this is a vital point and one partly answered in the paragraph above. If you are a natural academic then using the university library and attending lectures is very understandable. Likewise, if you have a sport you're good at and/or enjoy then using campus sports facilities makes sense. For me, both factors hold. I am also in my 20's, look younger than my age and have prior university experience, finding it very easy from an academic standpoint.

I had this idea in the shower. I have no interest in online dating apps for a variety of reasons and I am a sexually inexperienced NEET. So how could I find a young women to be my gf/wife? Using university facilities made more sense the more I thought about it.​

 

[LeFrenchCel]

It's over in both cases.

No gf for your job

 

[RandomGuy]

no, it's over

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/zI1kmctQkgc?si=GxQBIt3iiB22C6Gx

 

[Redbeard7]

What kind of bluepill shit is this? So, you think a man can be incel solely due to depression?
Depression doesn't happen randomly, it's a consequence of other things in your life being fucked up. Incel depression is a consequence of the other traits preventing you from attracting women like lack of looks, lack of status.

There is obviously a feedback loop between say your looks and depression, calm down. I am speaking from personal experience, if that is "bluepilled" then fine. I managed to overcome my despair of many years (you tend to sink deeper into it over time) and find a renewed sense of optimism.​

 

[faded]

We've all heard normies claim that getting a job would increase the chances of incel NEETs getting a girlfriend. Normies may attempt to support this claim with the (likely) fact that wageslaves are less likely to be single/celibate than NEETs. However, this ignores an obvious counterpoint, which is that incel NEETs are in their position because of their inherent characteristics (for example, autism) and if the NEET were to get a job, he would still largely (if not entirely) have the same characteristics as before.

NEETs often live a hikikomori-type lifestyle which entails inceldom but this is not an essential characteristic of NEETdom. In fact, I wonder whether for many, you have a better chance of "ascending" as a NEET than as a wageslave, other things being equal:

Finding a woman as a NEET at university vs finding a woman as a wageslave

- There’s a far bigger pool of women at university

- There are many public and social events at university where you can meet women with similar interests

- The larger pool of men at university provides networking opportunities and thus the ability to meet women via one’s social circle

- Women at university tend to be younger (prime years, more feminine, less cynical, fewer previous partners)

- Women at university tend to have higher IQ’s and be more interested in ideas/subjects

- Women at university can be helped with their work, especially if you have knowledge of their subject/subjects

- Women at university tend to have more time and energy for social activities

- Women at university tend not to be dependent on an employer

- Woman at university tend to be both less financially independent and less money-minded

- As a NEET, you have far more time and energy to find a compatible woman​

University is only way because lots of teenage girl fuck wage slaving or neet plz kys

 

[Incel Philosopher]

I can see this being very workable, but only if you can get past the barriers of being a non-student. All they talk about it "what is your major, what are you training to be etc.".
Without a compelling narrative/elevator pitch, you might just get the cops called on you for being a creeper.

I agree with this.
However even with a narrative, age is still a legitimate barrier. From my experience in college, most older students struggle to fully take part in college social life.

 

[prajeet88]

However, this ignores an obvious counterpoint, which is that incel NEETs are in their position because of their inherent characteristics (for example, autism) and if the NEET were to get a job, he would still largely (if not entirely) have the same characteristics as before.

Yes, 200IQ. The Jews love to push different statistics that say how great wage slavery is, but truth is that it sucks and escaping it is the best thing you can do. Just try to "get out more" when/if you do escape it, try not to LDAR - it's what the Jew want you to do if you're not a wageslave. I'm KHHV at 35 and am NEETing ATM on landlord income, but I make sure to do social stuff on weekends and leave the house at least once a day during weekdays.

 

[all this time]

You aren’t ascending either way if you’re incel

 

[pray2barrett]

Yes, 200IQ. The Jews love to push different statistics that say how great wage slavery is, but truth is that it sucks and escaping it is the best thing you can do. Just try to "get out more" when/if you do escape it, try not to LDAR - it's what the Jew want you to do if you're not a wageslave. I'm KHHV at 35 and am NEETing ATM on landlord income, but I make sure to do social stuff on weekends and leave the house at least once a day during weekdays.

how are you supposed to be a neet without ldaring

 

[prajeet88]

how are you supposed to be a neet without ldaring

I dunno. I have decent income despite NEETing, but even if not could maybe campervanmaxx. In Aus I sometimes though about getting a campervan and travelling around. Might do that later this year actually.

 

[SupremeGentleCel]

w’m sick of working 2 jobs and not getting laid.

There are 20yo ChadLite youngsters, with $50 in the bank getting Laid.
Over

 

[Ultracel30]

We've all heard normies claim that getting a job would increase the chances of incel NEETs getting a girlfriend. Normies may attempt to support this claim with the (likely) fact that wageslaves are less likely to be single/celibate than NEETs. However, this ignores an obvious counterpoint, which is that incel NEETs are in their position because of their inherent characteristics (for example, autism) and if the NEET were to get a job, he would still largely (if not entirely) have the same characteristics as before.

NEETs often live a hikikomori-type lifestyle which entails inceldom but this is not an essential characteristic of NEETdom. In fact, I wonder whether for many, you have a better chance of "ascending" as a NEET than as a wageslave, other things being equal:

Finding a woman as a NEET at university vs finding a woman as a wageslave

- There’s a far bigger pool of women at university

- There are many public and social events at university where you can meet women with similar interests

- The larger pool of men at university provides networking opportunities and thus the ability to meet women via one’s social circle

- Women at university tend to be younger (prime years, more feminine, less cynical, fewer previous partners)

- Women at university tend to have higher IQ’s and be more interested in ideas/subjects

- Women at university can be helped with their work, especially if you have knowledge of their subject/subjects

- Women at university tend to have more time and energy for social activities

- Women at university tend not to be dependent on an employer

- Woman at university tend to be both less financially independent and less money-minded

- As a NEET, you have far more time and energy to find a compatible woman​

Thanks for this thread. I now have a little lifefule spirit for this year resolution.

 

[proudweeb]

No, it doesn't matter anymore. It only helps if you want to betabuxx (pls dont)

 

[Grotesque Deformity]

Just betabuxx.