[JFL] Debunk this video about incels

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Here are his points if you dont want to watch:

Armando Hernandez Jr wanted to take his expressed anger at society because he felt bullied, he felt that women didn't want him and he felt that this was a justification to go out and harm others. And nobody here has a right to out there and harm others all because they aren't able to get the attention of women or if they have been bullied.

Now as someone who has been bullied and rejected by women I have always thought that its always motivates me to not want to harm others and it makes me want to go out here and try to be a better person. Unfortunately, your incel does not believe in the rule of the bible of do unto others as you would have them as do unto you.

No you are incel because they are simmering and boiling in anger, believe they can go out here and harm others because they believed society isn't giving them what they want. And the big problem with your incel as I see it is that these males grow up without any sort of life skills and they grow up truly not understanding what it means to be a man

Because it most of the minds of these incels they are angry because they believe women don't want them and because they believe these women only want chad. And because these women only want chad are having sex with these chads, they are believe they are denied an opportunity to matriculate into manhood.

These incels believe in the lie that hollywood and the media pushes that a man is only a man if he loses his virginity. This is false if you go on to read the bible because God doesn't mention losing your virginity to graduate into manhood. The bible says sex outside of marriage is a sin

Many of these incels grow up watching a lie and falsehood pushed by hollywood and porn movies and believing in them which is gynocentric.Many of these incels are simmering on anger at these women, these so called Stacies, who these incels consider to be the attractive women who only go after Chads and not the incels.

these incels believe the women are making the wrong choices, when the wrong choices were made by incels who sit there paying attention to other women and other men in relationships instead of going out there and living their lives.

When you look at other women in relationships, this is dysfunctional thinking. This is the dysfunctional thinking that many of the beta males, incels and white knights participate in.Because these incels want a fantasy of a relationship and what they really want is to gain social currency from women so they could gain the approval and validation from the more popular groups of men.

This desire comes to from their low self-esteem and confidence. Many of these guys don't want to come out and do all the work by themselves. These incels only want attractive women, these so called "stacies" as a so called attachment and only have these attractive women to be attracted to them so it makes them gain social status to the other popular people.

These incels want to use Stacies as a way to elevate them into manhood and that is a lie and a bold-faced lie because it does not elevate this man and if he does get involved in this so called attractive women, he would still be a lame because your incel would not have self-esteem, your incel has no self-confidence, and most importantly, and your incel has no understanding of what it truly means to be a man.

Manhood is decided because the bible says you become a real man if you serve God and follow the teachings of the bible. You have to become a leader, an authority figure, a father figure; a head of household. Those are the standards God have established for manhood that incels don't understand and they buy into the feminist and gynocentric standard of manhood.

many of these incels sit around these false concepts and ideas and because they are angry and sit around their inhibility to get women and they vent their frustration on these incel messageboards or like Armando Hernandez, they act on these angry feelings and harm others.

Many of these incels are angry because they don't want to deal with the emotional pain of going out here and putting in the work on themselves. A lot of these incels are extremely lazy and some are scared of going out into the real world and learning the hard way, the way that all of us men had to learn about the real world.

They don't have the discipline, the resolve and the male learning skills to go out there and learn, this what leads to men participating in violence and harming others. They believe its better to harm other people and destroy their lives rather than putting in the work and effort on themselves.

And this work is very hard and this is something I have done in my own life and I understand I have to do that work because its just part of the growth process. Part of being a man and out here just looking out for yourself is just taking a lot of painful things.

And when you're out there trying to attract women, you're going to have to deal with the pain, a lot of women who say no or aren't into you. And a lot of these incels haven't been taught how to deal with these things, how to navigate the world and relationships, and having sex with women will not elevate your social status in anyway shape or form.

The relationship is between other men with other women and incels don't understand this. And these incels have bought into the idea presented to him like American Pie and these other teen movies and other forms of media out here that he's going to become this man if he goes out here and has sex with women.

Having sex with not do anything or elevate your social status because its just between you and the women. And if you tell these beta males, you might get the attention of these beta males but you won't change their condition at all.

These guys are only looking out to harm others instead of doing the work themselves. To participate in a mass shooting instead of putting in the work shows how weak-willed these men are and these attempts to destroy other lives shows how messed up they are.

Because this guy doesn't understand that now that he's out here and that he's participated in a mass shooting that targets couples, he's never gonna get any women because he's going to end up in jail getting prison raped because thats what happens to men that participate in these mass shootings

because they have to deal with the consequences. And these incels they live in their own worlds believing this gynocentric fantasy that their manhood is based on women when again his manhood is not based on women, but created by God and he needs to find out what God's standards are for manhood. When you learn what these are

these are complete different standards and these standards are related to a man going out here following God's teachings, a man learning how to be responsible for others, and man learning how to be caring for others, and a man learning how to do the work of god, and a man learning how to put work in himself because when a man puts the work in himself, he's going to radiate the masculine energy that's going to attract women.

And this is another thing that incels don't see and its that they're radiating feminine energy, sometimes this creepy energy and this is the thing that repels women from him, women who would've payed attention to him, women he ignores because he's so caught up in the fantasy of a Stacy that he cannot reality of all of the great ladies out here who are looking at him,

because he chases a fantasy he misses out on the reality of all these great women out there who want to have a relationship with him but they can't have a relationship with him because he doesn't want to put in any sort of work to show how he's attractive or have something to offer in terms of relationships because a confident man he's going to have his confident energy, he's gonna have his masculine energy, he's going to have his masculine presence and when women see him, they're going to talk to him in terms of personality, charisma.

I mean natural energy and natural presence and this is your incel, he doesn't want to put the work into himself and even worse he doesn't want to understand that he's angry about not paying attention him are way out of his league and the reason why they is because they have nothing in common with him and his reason is getting attached to her and using her as a tool to elevate himself on another level with other men.

So he's a dishonest and disingenuous individual when it comes to relationships and so he's angry when people don't see how dishonest and disingenuous and he doesn't want to come out here and admit the honest truth about himself, because your incel thinks he's being forced into celibacy but no one is being forced into celibacy.

If these men are so upset about not getting sex with women, they do have the option of these prostitutes if they are going to be whoremongers but they don't want that because that won't elevate their social status with other men. So that shows that the incel wants a relationship but he wants a relationship for the wrong reason.

And this the thing that motivated Armando Hernandez Jr from when I looked at his pictures he's a pretty decent looking guy and if he put in the work, he wouldn't have problems picking up women and if he worked on his self-confident, he could've overcome being bullied. But instead he sat their boiling simmer in his anger and now he's being held on a million dollar bond in jail, and he will end up in jail. He won't have to worry about women in jail, he'll have to worry about other men
 
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I dont have the attention span to go through all of those

Reduce it to like 4-5 main points tbh
 
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He's a literal subhuman. :lul:
 
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Not one time did he bring up lookism, this guy is bluepilled af, he assumes that the underlying issue is the mindset/personality of incels, fucking jfl. He completely negates the blackpill, female hypergamy, social media, etc.

In essence he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about because he's ignoring the elephant in the room which is the guy's looks, he shot those people because he was an ugly subhuman ethnic and he couldn't stand the loneliness and alienation from women due to his ugliness.

This moron is coping so fucking hard, typical incel in denial.
 
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He's a literal subhuman. :lul:
Not one time did he bring up lookism, this guy is bluepilled af, he assumes that the underlying issue is the mindset/personality of incels, fucking jfl. He completely negates the blackpill, female hypergamy, social media, etc.

In essence he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about because he's ignoring the elephant in the room which is the guy's looks, he shot those people because he was an ugly subhuman ethnic and he couldn't stand the loneliness and alienation from women due to his ugliness.

This moron is coping so fucking hard, typical incel in denial.
Notice its always these types of looking people that spout this nonsense? Can't be a coincidence
 
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The point of view of bluepillers doesn't matter, they are under the illusion of "all women are kweens", halo, women are wonderful effect, those are the same simp that believe "women can't do no wrong" and donate to their onlyfans. Foids could literally shit in their face, and bluepillers would be happy to be given attention from them.
 
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The point of view of bluepillers doesn't matter, they are under the illusion of "all women are kweens", halo, women are wonderful effect, those are the same simp that believe "women can't do no wrong" and donate to their onlyfans. Foids could literally shit in their face, and bluepillers would be happy to be given attention from them.
From reading his points, he doesn't necessarily worship women but just spouts redpill nonsense and refusing to acknowledge how difficult life is as a man in comparison to a woman's.

His says the a purpose of a man is to "keep self-improving and be the best version of yourself, then you can attract women." When you try to acknowledge how unfair this difference between what a "man's purpose" is compared to a woman's purpose, its outright ignored because its "all part and parcel of being a man"

Its so hypocritical. Women don't need to do all of this moralism but men have to because "its all part and parcel of being a man"
 
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From reading his points, he doesn't necessarily worship women but just spouts redpill nonsense and refusing to acknowledge how difficult life is as a man in comparison to a woman's.

His says the a purpose of a man is to "keep self-improving and be the best version of yourself, then you can attract women. When you try to acknowledge how unfair this difference between what a "man's purpose" is compared to a woman's purpose, its outright ignored because its "all part and parcel of being a man"

Its so hypocritical. Women don't need to do all of this moralism but men have to because "its all part and parcel of being a man"
Self improvement is such a bluepilled fucking cope, the perfect gaslight response for you to waste your time doing useless shit while believing their lies. Teenagers that fell in love wasn't "self improving", it just happened because of genetics.
 
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Don't blame him. He would have roped had he taken the black pill
 
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I'll shoot my shot here. I hope this guy reads this tbh. I'm not gonna be challenging any of the stuff he said that is just plain, delusional cope and mere personal opinion. I actually have an online friend who talks exactly like this guy and copes just as much.
Unfortunately, your incel does not believe in the rule of the bible of do unto others as you would have them as do unto you.
I'm for nonviolence but I don't blame the fact that many men are pushed over towards it nowadays, unfortunately.
Many of these incels grow up watching a lie and falsehood pushed by hollywood and porn movies and believing in them which is gynocentric.Many of these incels are simmering on anger at these women, these so called Stacies, who these incels consider to be the attractive women who only go after Chads and not the incels.
The entire western sphere of influence has been inherently and objectively gynocentric since after 9/11, and you're braindead and delusional if you think otherwise. Just look at where our media has been heading to. Look at the weird ass progressive white knight beliefs that people are getting. Also, I don't watch porn movies.

Also, all women reject us, not just Stacies.

When you look at other women in relationships, this is dysfunctional thinking. This is the dysfunctional thinking that many of the beta males, incels and white knights participate in.Because these incels want a fantasy of a relationship and what they really want is to gain social currency from women so they could gain the approval and validation from the more popular groups of men.
Wrong. Validation plays little part in this, and from other men it's completely irrelevant. I just want a female who isn't a complete fucking whore cunt and doesn't have a body count higher than room temperature and isn't a rap listening bitch to love.

This desire comes to from their low self-esteem and confidence. Many of these guys don't want to come out and do all the work by themselves. These incels only want attractive women, these so called "stacies" as a so called attachment and only have these attractive women to be attracted to them so it makes them gain social status to the other popular people.
We are incels because we did all the work and got nowhere from it. And yet again, I can care less about social status, and personally I see high social status as a disadvantage within any romantic situation. It's easier for bad shit to happen.

Manhood is decided because the bible says you become a real man if you serve God and follow the teachings of the bible. You have to become a leader, an authority figure, a father figure; a head of household. Those are the standards God have established for manhood that incels don't understand and they buy into the feminist and gynocentric standard of manhood.
Come on guy, don't bring religion into this, especially when 95% of the holes walking around nowadays can give half of a shit about it (unfortunately). It's impossible to follow God's methodical teachings if there is nothing mutual. Even if there are religious women, they follow their religious beliefs very, very liberally.

many of these incels sit around these false concepts and ideas and because they are angry and sit around their inhibility to get women and they vent their frustration on these incel messageboards or like Armando Hernandez, they act on these angry feelings and harm others.
What is false? Do you have anything to bring to the table that can actually prove the main ideas of the blackpill wrong? I'd love to see it.

Many of these incels are angry because they don't want to deal with the emotional pain of going out here and putting in the work on themselves. A lot of these incels are extremely lazy and some are scared of going out into the real world and learning the hard way, the way that all of us men had to learn about the real world.
Except a lot of us have to be in the real world, a lot of us can't just sit at home all day, and, like again, we are incels because we learned the quote on quote "hard way" many, many times.

They don't have the discipline, the resolve and the male learning skills to go out there and learn, this what leads to men participating in violence and harming others. They believe its better to harm other people and destroy their lives rather than putting in the work and effort on themselves.
The only reason why men are typically among mass shooters is because we're constantly demonized by the mass media and on social media. You can't do jack shit about the way things are when the ideas of the politically correct Nazis are the status quo. Saying that all those mass shooters didn't have "discipline" is pure cope. It's the fact that they realize that there's something wrong with their surroundings. In my opinion it is almost natural for some men to go fucking apeshit after being tortured for many years, whether that is in a verbal, physical, or psychological manner. Being constantly demonized along with being rejected multiple times along with many possible external factors which a hypothetical man could possibly have is the ultimate formula for a mass shooter.

And when you're out there trying to attract women, you're going to have to deal with the pain, a lot of women who say no or aren't into you. And a lot of these incels haven't been taught how to deal with these things, how to navigate the world and relationships, and having sex with women will not elevate your social status in anyway shape or form.
Now this is just a plain catch-22. We can't exactly navigate "[the world of] relationships" because women won't let us. Extremely empty and blunt statement.

The relationship is between other men with other women and incels don't understand this. And these incels have bought into the idea presented to him like American Pie and these other teen movies and other forms of media out here that he's going to become this man if he goes out here and has sex with women.
Can't speak for other incels but I personally stopped watching TV and movies when I was 14 because everything just sucks balls. I don't give a singular shit about those teenage movies either. I garnered my ideas from real life experiences.

These guys are only looking out to harm others instead of doing the work themselves. To participate in a mass shooting instead of putting in the work shows how weak-willed these men are and these attempts to destroy other lives shows how messed up they are.
If only painting us with the same brush actually worked out. Considering that there's 10,000+ members on this site, that would be a hell of a lot of shooters. But no, it's like maybe 1 for every 100,000 of us. Calling men who can't deal with the shit we're currently under "weak" isn't exactly helping your cause, and it's simply furthering the idea of toxic masculinity, which women in general are already putting us under, which will, in turn, just lead to more shooters.

because they have to deal with the consequences. And these incels they live in their own worlds believing this gynocentric fantasy that their manhood is based on women when again his manhood is not based on women, but created by God and he needs to find out what God's standards are for manhood. When you learn what these are
"God's standards for manhood" stopped being relevant (unfortunately) when we let all the rejects and parasites take over society in general. Like again, you can't make claims towards morality and religion when we currently live in an unjust, irreligious, immoral hellhole full of hedonists and charlatans. I wish our government was more theocratic and traditional to uphold certain religious standards.

And this is another thing that incels don't see and its that they're radiating feminine energy, sometimes this creepy energy and this is the thing that repels women from him, women who would've payed attention to him, women he ignores because he's so caught up in the fantasy of a Stacy that he cannot reality of all of the great ladies out here who are looking at him, because he chases a fantasy he misses out on the reality of all these great women out there who want to have a relationship with him but they can't have a relationship with him because he doesn't want to put in any sort of work to show how he's attractive or have something to offer in terms of relationships because a confident man he's going to have his confident energy, he's gonna have his masculine energy, he's going to have his masculine presence and when women see him, they're going to talk to him in terms of personality, charisma.
There is no such thing as "creepy energy." I have multiple friends who are Chadlite or above who do the textbook "creepy" shit towards women and they're completely oblivious to it. There are other friends I know who have hot girlfriends when they're upfront with being into or looking at fucked up shit. Being "creepy" in dating terminology is synonymous to being ugly. There will always be a girl lined up for you as long as you are at least a PSL 6 (or an 8, depending on location).

I mean natural energy and natural presence and this is your incel, he doesn't want to put the work into himself and even worse he doesn't want to understand that he's angry about not paying attention him are way out of his league and the reason why they is because they have nothing in common with him and his reason is getting attached to her and using her as a tool to elevate himself on another level with other men.
It would be troubling if you did have anything common with women. Most guys don't. There is a clear personality difference and a difference in taste/different preference in hobbies and shit like that between men and women.

So he's a dishonest and disingenuous individual when it comes to relationships and so he's angry when people don't see how dishonest and disingenuous and he doesn't want to come out here and admit the honest truth about himself, because your incel thinks he's being forced into celibacy but no one is being forced into celibacy.If these men are so upset about not getting sex with women, they do have the option of these prostitutes if they are going to be whoremongers but they don't want that because that won't elevate their social status with other men. So that shows that the incel wants a relationship but he wants a relationship for the wrong reason.
Technically the idea of "involuntary celibacy" isn't real (unless you get rejected by prostitutes), but the matter that women are getting pickier and men are getting less dates and such definitely is. Look at graphs on the internet. I saw something on a GSS graph of like how 1/3 of young men haven't had sex within a year. And if you looked at the other years, the 2018/2019 spike or whatever was by far the largest spike in male sexlessness out of every year.

And this the thing that motivated Armando Hernandez Jr from when I looked at his pictures he's a pretty decent looking guy and if he put in the work, he wouldn't have problems picking up women and if he worked on his self-confident, he could've overcome being bullied. But instead he sat their boiling simmer in his anger and now he's being held on a million dollar bond in jail, and he will end up in jail. He won't have to worry about women in jail, he'll have to worry about other men
Biggest cope of all. Hernandez Jr. was not decent looking at all. He is a literal 3/10 framelet manlet living in presumably a big city (shooting happened in a Phoenix suburb, so I'm guessing he lives in Phoenix or in a suburb of it). That is something that is not surprising to me when he outed himself as an incel. It also looks like he definitely did try with his appearance, as one of his mugshots has him wearing a $295 Burberry polo and he seems to have a pretty mainstream and good haircut. Also, overcoming being bullied solely relies on external factors if you yourself don't have the blunt force to personally deal with it.
 
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He is coping hard ngl,citing the holy cuckbible and the classic self-improvement bullshit...just buy a book written by a truecel to stop being incel :lul: :lul: :lul:
Kinda disappointing he didn't talk about the blackpill,lookism,hypergamy.He claims you cannot be incel,it's all your fault as usual.
From reading his points, he doesn't necessarily worship women but just spouts redpill nonsense and refusing to acknowledge how difficult life is as a man in comparison to a woman's.

His says the a purpose of a man is to "keep self-improving and be the best version of yourself, then you can attract women." When you try to acknowledge how unfair this difference between what a "man's purpose" is compared to a woman's purpose, its outright ignored because its "all part and parcel of being a man"

Its so hypocritical. Women don't need to do all of this moralism but men have to because "its all part and parcel of being a man"
Just radiate good energy bro
 
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Read the first few paragraphs. Seems like an argument revolving around muh god. Unfalsifiable foundation for the argument.. No need to debunk since you can’t have these arguments with religious folks. If one accepts magic as a factor in anything, they have 0 relationship with truth.
 
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Damn, too much reading I'd rather watch the video
 
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