SuicideFuel I don’t want to kill myself, but rationally speaking it seems like the optimal move

[cvh1991]

How do you guys keep going? My life is a heavy net negative and I have zero hope for a better future. It’s really sad that men like us have to replace actual community and relationships with this forum.

I’m very poor despite working all the time without a break across several jobs for many years and my current job makes me actively suicidal I hate it so much and I’m treated so badly. My female boss is pure evil and the department head is too. I genuinely feel pure unfiltered hatred for both of them and if they died I would probably throw a party for myself.

They’re not even outliers — there’s no “community” for me. I have no connections, there’s really no one that gives a fuck about me. Everyone is so evil and only cares about themselves and it makes sense when you consider the way our system actually works. If I was a hot young woman posting selfies I’d immediately be inundated by weak simp men, even families seem to care more about their daughters than their sons. My whole life I’ve heard basically nothing but scathing criticism directed towards men when I didn’t even do anything.

I’ll probably get fired or laid off soon and at that point it’s just game over. I’ve been searching for another decent job for months with and it’s just hopeless. Nobody will hire me.

I’ve never been a successful man with women and honestly what is even the point in of living if you can’t get a loyal wife that loves you, a decent job that doesn’t actively make you want to blow your brains out, and your own home and family? This country has abandoned its men and we’ve all had our futures sold out by the feminists and the wealthy elites and business owners and the government.

My pain is constant and sharp, I feel hatred for the system and for a lot of people around me. But I’m totally powerless to change anything. Voting does nothing, same shit. I am a slave. I don’t really want to die, I want a better life. I want real opportunities. I did everything they told me to and for what?

EDIT: Just because I know all the gaslighting NPCs always make up excuses in their head for why people like me “deserve” this life of suffering and mistreatment and they always strawman us, I really used to be a good person. I used to believe everything they taught me and for most of my life I really went out of my way to help others and I was kind back then. I still had hope and I didn’t understand truly how the world and people actually were. But at some point after being rejected and betrayed by people you thought were good life has a way of tearing your optimism away and showing how delusional and selfish most people really are. Combine this with a world where you have no opportunity and where common dreams of owning a home and having a family don’t even exist and it’s recipe for total despair and hatred. Obviously it is. Would happen to anyone. It’s like the old Carlin quote: “Inside every cynic is a disappointed idealist”.

 

[Lonelyus]

My life is a heavy net negative and I have zero hope for a better future. It’s really sad that men like us have to replace actual community and relationships with this forum.

I’m very poor despite working all the time without a break across several jobs for many years and my current job makes me actively suicidal I hate it so much and I’m treated so badly. My female boss is pure evil and the department head is too. I genuinely feel pure unfiltered hatred for both of them and if they died I would probably throw a party for myself.

They’re not even outliers — there’s no “community” for me. I have no connections, there’s really no one that gives a fuck about me. Everyone is so evil and only cares about themselves and it makes sense when you consider the way our system actually works. If I was a hot young woman posting selfies I’d immediately be inundated by weak simp men, even families seem to care more about their daughters than their sons. My whole life I’ve heard basically nothing but scathing criticism directed towards men when I didn’t even do anything.

I’ll probably get fired or laid off soon and at that point it’s just game over. I’ve been searching for another decent job for months with and it’s just hopeless. Nobody will hire me.

I’ve never been a successful man with women and honestly what is even the point in of living if you can’t get a loyal wife that loves you, a decent job that doesn’t actively make you want to blow your brains out, and your own home and family? This country has abandoned its men and we’ve all had our futures sold out by the feminists and the wealthy elites and business owners and the government.

My pain is constant and sharp, I feel hatred for the system and for a lot of people around me. But I’m totally powerless to change anything. Voting does nothing, same shit. I am a slave. I don’t really want to die, I want a better life. I want real opportunities. I did everything they told me to and for what?

Brotha, There is a community for you, You got us

 

[glowIntheDark]

Well tbh I don't know which field u r in but maybe u can upskill? Maybe go back to community college and get a more relevant degree?

Or move to a different state/where there are more job opportunities/less people?

There is no afterlife. No heaven. No Hell. Just a void of nothingness u have one lyf make of it what u will


Adopt a dog. That will help a lot

Get a cope- A hobby like Vidya games/painting maybe/playing guitar

 

[cvh1991]

Brotha, There is a community for you, You got us

Thanks man, this is the only place I know of except maybe some corners of 4chan where people actually genuinely understand and don’t gaslight and attack you. I’m so tired of everyone in real life gaslighting me — it’s honestly rage fuel.

 

[Lonelyus]

Thanks man, this is the only place I know of except maybe some corners of 4chan where people actually genuinely understand and don’t gaslight and attack you. I’m so tired of everyone in real life gaslighting me — it’s honestly rage fuel.

This is the only forum i browse, I switch between gmod, Cod BO Coldwar and Incels.is all day mostly, Sometimes watchmovieshd

 

[Stupid Clown]

That's the fate of all incels who are truly incel. They all commit suicide eventually, it's just a matter of when. The job pill you mentioned is truly brutal and a pill that's severely understated in the inkwell community simply because most incels are neets.

Even if you try to get a job and ascend financially though hard work as an incel you're unlikely to get hired or promoted because of your looks. This has been proven in studies multiple times.

The only real way out for an inkwell is the rope or geomaxxing if you can save up at least $2k.

 

[cvh1991]

Well tbh I don't know which field u r in but maybe u can upskill? Maybe go back to community college and get a more relevant degree?

Or move to a different state/where there are more job opportunities/less people?

There is no afterlife. No heaven. No Hell. Just a void of nothingness u have one lyf make of it what u will


Adopt a dog. That will help a lot

Get a cope- A hobby like Vidya games/painting maybe/playing guitar

You’re not gonna believe this, but I have a pretty good STEM degree and fairly decent work experience too but for some reason no other companies will hire me and my current company won’t pay me more or promote me despite my being there for a long time which means I’ve been shafted extremely hard by inflation and rising costs, especially rent and groceries. That kind of thing is all office politics high school bullshit — my female boss obviously hates me and I’m just average at my job so I can’t really negotiate either. I get the very strong feeling they want to get rid of me.

What I think I’m gonna have to do is find two roommates going forward. A shit box studio apartment costs a fortune where I live and I live where I do because of my job.

I was told all my life if I pushed through and got a good degree like this everything would fall into place. Instead it turns out there is a massive amount of competition over these jobs and they don’t even pay well relative to bare bones cost of living (rent/utilities/groceries). I genuinely don’t know how 90% of people are making ends meet at this point. Housing in particular is something that’s at the active revolt point, it’s extortion and it’s evil what the powers that be have done there. Half of my coworkers live with their parents. Hell, I would too if I could.

And yeah I used to be really deeply religious then basically had a nervous psychological breakdown when I realized my religion was all a lie. Someday I plan to get a pet but it costs a lot to have one in my apartment building.

 

[glowIntheDark]

You’re not gonna believe this, but I have a pretty good STEM degree and fairly decent work experience too but for some reason no other companies will hire me and my current company won’t pay me more or promote me despite my being there for a long time which means I’ve been shafted extremely hard by inflation and rising costs, especially rent and groceries. That kind of thing is all office politics high school bullshit — my female boss obviously hates me and I’m just average at my job so I can’t really negotiate either. I get the very strong feeling they want to get rid of me.

What I think I’m gonna have to do is find two roommates going forward. A shit box studio apartment costs a fortune where I live and I live where I do because of my job.

I was told all my life if I pushed through and got a good degree like this everything would fall into place. Instead it turns out there is a massive amount of competition over these jobs and they don’t even pay well relative to bare bones cost of living (rent/utilities/groceries). I genuinely don’t know how 90% of people are making ends meet at this point. Housing in particular is something that’s at the active revolt point, it’s extortion and it’s evil what the powers that be have done there. Half of my coworkers live with their parents. Hell, I would too if I could.

And yeah I used to be really deeply religious then basically had a nervous psychological breakdown when I realized my religion was all a lie. Someday I plan to get a pet but it costs a lot to have one in my apartment building.

Well I can't say much other than it must suck to be you buddy

 

[Luzifer]

save up at least $2k.

yes have fun 2k for geomaxxing u get flight and hotel for 2 weeks jfl u need another 2 or 3k for that time too really live like chad

 

[Stupid Clown]

yes have fun 2k for geomaxxing u get flight and hotel for 2 weeks jfl u need another 2 or 3k for that time too really live like chad

It's not a solution but a cope. Not worth it imo but might give some meaning to others.

 

[Luzifer]

It's not a solution but a cope. Not worth it imo but might give some meaning to others.

it is worth it but its just a cope ngl its basically escortmaxxing

 

[Stupid Clown]

it is worth it but its just a cope ngl its basically escortmaxxing

It's cheaper in the long run.

 

[cvh1991]

Well I can't say much other than it must suck to be you buddy

Cool y’all understand at least. I mean, you guys actually do really understand and if anything lots of people here are even worse boat wise since they’re like me once I lose my job — that’s the real sui territory I expect.

 

[cvh1991]

I feel your pain. Meaning is the antidote to suffering. Without meaning, there is no point in doing anything. At least when you have a loving wife and some kids you can go back to after a nasty day at work you have something to live for, to justify your suffering.

But when life is an endless pile of hard work after hard work with nothing to compensate for it, that's when the grim reaper comes to collect. Pointless suffering.

This meme sums it up pretty well:

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That meme is extremely relatable. I wish we’d all been born in a better time.

Everyone always acts like today is the best time to be alive in history but that’s only true if you’re wealthy seems to me — this era is fucking dehumanizing. The unibomber was right about a lot seems to me. Everything everyone does today is basically to make the “owners” richer at our expense and the value of labor in general is completely in the gutter.

A point whatifalthistory made that seems very relevant is how initially the boomers and such tolerated this type of system because of the tremendous material wealth it granted them. Today though that’s not a thing even remotely.

I get so angry when boomers and other mental rocks throw out that bullshit “”””””argument”””””” about smartphones meaning th is the best time in history. You fucking idiot that’s a toy — look at what MATTERS — look at core things like housing, like community, like families, etc. fucking nitwits

 

[cvh1991]

This is the only forum i browse, I switch between gmod, Cod BO Coldwar and Incels.is all day mostly, Sometimes watchmovieshd

Basado uncle ruckuscel

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I'm not sure if you are gonna care about that aspect, but you might have seen me argue about AI around here already. Dying now risks missing out on w/e the future of humanity looks like, and that might be a lot more impressive a price to pay than you expect right now.

 

[cheater]

Everything will only get worse

 

[cvh1991]

That's the fate of all incels who are truly incel. They all commit suicide eventually, it's just a matter of when. The job pill you mentioned is truly brutal and a pill that's severely understated in the inkwell community simply because most incels are neets.

Even if you try to get a job and ascend financially though hard work as an incel you're unlikely to get hired or promoted because of your looks. This has been proven in studies multiple times.

The only real way out for an inkwell is the rope or geomaxxing if you can save up at least $2k.

That Malcolm Gladwell book where he shows the data on how a huge portion of CEOs and execs are above 6 ft despite the vast majority of men being <6 ft was a mind blown moment in my formative years. That guy has sadly since gone on to chug soy like no tomorrow but a broken clock and all that.

I’ve thought about trying just drop everything and move but I really struggle to learn languages at a conversational level. I studied Korean for example for several years with language apps, paid for Rosetta, took an into class and I never could understand the talking conversation because it was so fast. Writing I did better. But getting certified as an English teacher or some such I don’t even know where I’d start. Maybe I’m actually retarded though. Wish I’d learned another language growing up as when you’re a kid it comes so much easier.

I’m not really sure my life would actually be better but it’d be a change at least.

 

[Stupid Clown]

That Malcolm Gladwell book where he shows the data on how a huge portion of CEOs and execs are above 6 ft despite the vast majority of men being <6 ft was a mind blown moment in my formative years. That guy has sadly since gone on to chug soy like no tomorrow but a broken clock and all that.

I’ve thought about trying just drop everything and move but I really struggle to learn languages at a conversational level. I studied Korean for example for several years with language apps, paid for Rosetta, took an into class and I never could understand the talking conversation because it was so fast. Writing I did better. But getting certified as an English teacher or some such I don’t even know where I’d start. Maybe I’m actually retarded though. Wish I’d learned another language growing up as when you’re a kid it comes so much easier.

I’m not really sure my life would actually be better but it’d be a change at least.

You seem intelligent and high IQ so honestly I don't think you should give up just yet. Being a teacher in another country could be kino for you and if height is your biggest falio and not your looks you could actually do well on another country.

 

[cvh1991]

It's not a solution but a cope. Not worth it imo but might give some meaning to others.

it is worth it but its just a cope ngl its basically escortmaxxing

It’s so fucking stupid that prostitution is illegal where I live. Unbelievable. Not that I like the idea of paying women for sex but it’d be worth it once at least just to have the experience.

Issue though with whoring is:
1) steep cost, specially when you’re broke
2) I’ve heard the women usually are awful at even acting interested
3) id want some insurance that I’m not gonna get aids or some shit
4) don’t want to get busted by cops either but maybe I’m being paranoid.

 

[Stupid Clown]

It’s so fucking stupid that prostitution is illegal where I live. Unbelievable. Not that I like the idea of paying women for sex but it’d be worth it once at least just to have the experience.

Issue though with whoring is:
1) steep cost, specially when you’re broke
2) I’ve heard the women usually are awful at even acting interested
3) id want some insurance that I’m not gonna get aids or some shit
4) don’t want to get busted by cops either but maybe I’m being paranoid.

Thailand is extremely cheap and prostitution is legal there.

 

[cvh1991]

I'm not sure if you are gonna care about that aspect, but you might have seen me argue about AI around here already. Dying now risks missing out on w/e the future of humanity looks like, and that might be a lot more impressive a price to pay than you expect right now.

If Yang gets elected (doubt) or if we get some AI driven society where it’s easy to get some NEET bux that would make life a lot more tolerable.

I worry if the automation/machines are owned by a small handful and mass unemployment sweeps the nation — this might result in riots theft though so maybe it would self correct.

I’ll hang on long as I can. I don’t think I’d have the guts unless I was drunk. It’s really really hard to pull the trigger because of how our brains are wired.

 

[cvh1991]

Thailand is extremely cheap and prostitution is legal there.

Good to know thanks — honestly I should just save up and go there eventually. Nice to have a goal at least, thanks man.

 

[cvh1991]

Everything will only get worse

If things get horribly worse then maybe people will be angry enough to fight for a societal restructuring. Or, maybe not — maybe there will be WW3 and then I’ll die in a war as some forgotten schmuck lol.

 

[Stupid Clown]

Good to know thanks — honestly I should just save up and go there eventually. Nice to have a goal at least, thanks man.

Good luck.

 

[cvh1991]

Good luck.

I appreciate you dog

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Depending on what you work as and what your education is like you might also be able to move countires to a place where prositution is legal, without having to leave the first world. Not sure where the optimal place to live as an incel would be. Anyone ever make a thread about that?

 

[cvh1991]

Depending on what you works as and what your education is like you might also be able to move countires to a place where prositution is legal without having to leave the first world. Not sure where the optimal place to live as an incel would be. Anyone ever make a thread about that?

I’ve heard a lot of people recommend wage maxing then going to Thailand for vacation to use whores. It’s not a bad plan actually. Main issue for me is getting my money situation in order. And I straight up do not spend money RIP and live like a NEET in terms of expenditure. I’ve always been really paranoid about roommates that you don’t know well first because I’ve heard serious horror stories about bad roommates over the years. Even simple things like that can be hard without a good family/friend situation. It’s so insane that having a full time job doesn’t even cover a studio apartment in cities these days, like what the actual fuck. I mean just think about how fucking insane it is that minimum wage is still 7.25 an hour like wtf how can you live on that?

 

[cvh1991]

I know nothing change.Suicide is always better option than living in pain if you look rationaly

Agreed, I feel like I sort of know the truth already and can see how the rest of life is likely to go. But it’s really really hard to actually pull the trigger because that’s just how the brain is. But it’s like, damn, is it really better to just keep waking up everyday to work some shitty job that makes me miserable with nothing to come home to? What about when I don’t even have that anymore? I just dunno man. My copes don’t really work anymore — I feel nothing playing games and watching movies anymore. I don’t even enjoy porn. Its like my brain is dead or something I dunno. It’s because I know that those things are meaningless and that they don’t change what’s actually wrong in my life.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I’ve heard a lot of people recommend wage maxing then going to Thailand for vacation to use whores.

Any reason other than price / legality? As in, is there any good reason to go there if you have legal prostitution in your own country?

 

[cvh1991]

Any reason other than price / legality? As in, is there any good reason to go there if you have legal prostitution in your own country?

It’s not legal in my country and also price is steeper here from what I gather.

 

[Friezacel]

Brotha, There is a community for you, You got us

I always read your comments with the Uncle Ruckus voice

 

[wereq]

How do you guys keep going?

I am barely existing at this point. I am a total failure that is unfit for life and existence. The going gets harder with each day, week, month, and year. I constantly wonder how long I can keep living like this.

My pain is constant and sharp, I feel hatred for the system and for a lot of people around me. But I’m totally powerless to change anything.

Yes this is what I exactly feel but from a different standpoint (of illness). I feel total despair which is only held back by my antidepressant jew pills.

I don’t really want to die, I want a better life. I want real opportunities. I did everything they told me to and for what?

Yes I want to escape my stagnation and void as well.

ombine this with a world where you have no opportunity and where common dreams of owning a home and having a family don’t even exist and it’s recipe for total despair and hatred.

I think the reality for men today is this: unless you're super gifted, very strong (physically and mentally), and super attractive, there's no hope for you in any area of life. Its become very feudalistic. We really have to be the best (top 20%) just to enjoy anything rewarding.

 

[cvh1991]

I always read your comments with the Uncle Ruckus voice

Same lol, it was a great show for awhile there

 

[cvh1991]

I think the reality for men today is this: unless you're super gifted, very strong (physically and mentally), and super attractive, there's no hope for you in any area of life. Its become very feudalistic. We really have to be the best (top 20%) just to enjoy anything rewarding.

I don’t have anything to add to your comment but I’m really sorry man. It’s hard just getting by these days. Shouldn’t be like that, it wasn’t for awhile. I wish I had a solution. For your antidepressant comment I’ve thought about getting on those but I’ve been avoiding it for years. Costs money for one and also there’s nothing wrong with me, it’s life itself that’s gone bad and the crushing despair and hopelessness are a rational response to my life. It’s not a fuckin chemical imbalance or whatever bullishit they pedal. No our Great depression is our lives.

 

[Hasdrubaal]

How do you guys keep going? My life is a heavy net negative and I have zero hope for a better future. It’s really sad that men like us have to replace actual community and relationships with this forum.

I’m very poor despite working all the time without a break across several jobs for many years and my current job makes me actively suicidal I hate it so much and I’m treated so badly. My female boss is pure evil and the department head is too. I genuinely feel pure unfiltered hatred for both of them and if they died I would probably throw a party for myself.

They’re not even outliers — there’s no “community” for me. I have no connections, there’s really no one that gives a fuck about me. Everyone is so evil and only cares about themselves and it makes sense when you consider the way our system actually works. If I was a hot young woman posting selfies I’d immediately be inundated by weak simp men, even families seem to care more about their daughters than their sons. My whole life I’ve heard basically nothing but scathing criticism directed towards men when I didn’t even do anything.

I’ll probably get fired or laid off soon and at that point it’s just game over. I’ve been searching for another decent job for months with and it’s just hopeless. Nobody will hire me.

I’ve never been a successful man with women and honestly what is even the point in of living if you can’t get a loyal wife that loves you, a decent job that doesn’t actively make you want to blow your brains out, and your own home and family? This country has abandoned its men and we’ve all had our futures sold out by the feminists and the wealthy elites and business owners and the government.

My pain is constant and sharp, I feel hatred for the system and for a lot of people around me. But I’m totally powerless to change anything. Voting does nothing, same shit. I am a slave. I don’t really want to die, I want a better life. I want real opportunities. I did everything they told me to and for what?

EDIT: Just because I know all the gaslighting NPCs always make up excuses in their head for why people like me “deserve” this life of suffering and mistreatment and they always strawman us, I really used to be a good person. I used to believe everything they taught me and for most of my life I really went out of my way to help others and I was kind back then. I still had hope and I didn’t understand truly how the world and people actually were. But at some point after being rejected and betrayed by people you thought were good life has a way of tearing your optimism away and showing how delusional and selfish most people really are. Combine this with a world where you have no opportunity and where common dreams of owning a home and having a family don’t even exist and it’s recipe for total despair and hatred. Obviously it is. Would happen to anyone. It’s like the old Carlin quote: “Inside every cynic is a disappointed idealist”.

Sucks, brother.
I've read that you're not able to move back in with your parents; I don't mean to prod or intrude but how impossible is that? Moving back in with your folks could get rid of a lot of expenses for you (rent, groceries, bills). If it's not impossible to do, I would suggest you move back in as a starting point, to grant yourself some breathing room so that you can get the rest of your shit in order.

 

[lemon21]

I share your feelings. It was bad enough to be an incel without a possibility of getting a girlfriend, but adding work pressure and having no time to enjoy things i like has put me on a really bad mood lately.

Normal people, dumb as they are. Go on with their lives having partners and spouses, getting sex and recognition. Meanwhile us have to work till our deaths for what? Like really, to get a roof and some "nice things" which aren't even that nice cause we're just above poor but nowhere near rich.

We're fucked. My best case scenario would be to ammass enough wealth to live off investments and some shit and afford to live without working. But is that even feasible for a low iq incel like me? I doubt so. Even if it were, am i prepared to expend every walking moment pursuing that goal, meanwhile i get older and may die at any moment?

Life is truly fucked man, life truly is. It's not a wonder why i'm always playing games instead of playing life, dark souls difficulty pales in comparison to life's.

 

[RegularManlet]

You’re not gonna believe this, but I have a pretty good STEM degree and fairly decent work experience too but for some reason no other companies will hire me and my current company won’t pay me more or promote me despite my being there for a long time which means I’ve been shafted extremely hard by inflation and rising costs, especially rent and groceries. That kind of thing is all office politics high school bullshit — my female boss obviously hates me and I’m just average at my job so I can’t really negotiate either. I get the very strong feeling they want to get rid of me.

If you are not already you just spam apply to jobs while you are working and see if you can get a better deal, if you ever feel done with your current job leave citing you found a better offer, sometimes a company will negotiate a counter offer that beats the other companies offer, you can get a payrise or a promotion this way but its only temporary because the relationship with your employer is damaged so it only lasts maybe 6 months but its 6 months of extra pay or a different position for your resume

That meme is extremely relatable. I wish we’d all been born in a better time.

Everyone always acts like today is the best time to be alive in history but that’s only true if you’re wealthy seems to me — this era is fucking dehumanizing. The unibomber was right about a lot seems to me. Everything everyone does today is basically to make the “owners” richer at our expense and the value of labor in general is completely in the gutter.

A point whatifalthistory made that seems very relevant is how initially the boomers and such tolerated this type of system because of the tremendous material wealth it granted them. Today though that’s not a thing even remotely.

I get so angry when boomers and other mental rocks throw out that bullshit “”””””argument”””””” about smartphones meaning th is the best time in history. You fucking idiot that’s a toy — look at what MATTERS — look at core things like housing, like community, like families, etc. fucking nitwits

I wish I was born in a different time too with no technology, even the 1950's or something? I think some time after world war 2 was probably peak time to be alive

In 2023 we may have the best technology and stuff yet but society is extremely depressing, although there is potential in hundreds of years for society to be really good if we can resolve the issues we have but none of us will be alive to experience that

I relate to you too, if my life was a chess game or something I would just resign here.
But I feel like society wants me to kill myself, and I will not out of spite, I will sooner go out doing something stupid, perhaps some daredevil stunt or something.
Also TROONS kill themselves, im not a fucking troon I will not have anything in common with troons

 

[Thaway]

look at core things like housing, like community, like families, etc. fucking nitwits

Very true. Ted truly was right with his take on what he called surrogate activities. There is absolutely nothing in the world that can compensate for a lack of those very basic human needs that so many men are deprived off nowadays.

 

[cvh1991]

Sucks, brother.
I've read that you're not able to move back in with your parents; I don't mean to prod or intrude but how impossible is that? Moving back in with your folks could get rid of a lot of expenses for you (rent, groceries, bills). If it's not impossible to do, I would suggest you move back in as a starting point, to grant yourself some breathing room so that you can get the rest of your shit in order.

It’s a good idea and I understand fully why it’s suggested. Thank you, I appreciate it.

But I’m estranged from one of parents, I don’t even know where they live and they wouldn’t respond if I attempted contact so that’s a no go. Haven’t spoken to them for many many years. The other parent charges me rent that is comparable to market rate. I actually paid them/lived with them for a few years because they really needed the money (allegedly to help my sister who is a fucking retard and has burned every dollar she ever had) but eventually I left. They never forgave me for that actually, acted like I was screwing them by leaving. Fuckers wouldn’t even give me any fridge/freezer space but that’s another subject for another time lol.

I’m sure many of us come from very dysfunctional families. I wish I’d had better guidance growing up, I would’ve done so so many things differently but it’s too late now. Can’t even go back to Uni do to cost structure here in the states. You’re just trapped yah know? It’s unbearable.

 

[cvh1991]

Very true. Ted truly was right with his take on what he called surrogate activities. There is absolutely nothing in the world that can compensate for a lack of those very basic human needs that so many men are deprived off nowadays.

Well said mate, well said Just seems like there’s no solution. And everybody in the west thinks men like us are the actual boogeyman.

 

[cvh1991]

I share your feelings. It was bad enough to be an incel without a possibility of getting a girlfriend, but adding work pressure and having no time to enjoy things i like has put me on a really bad mood lately.

Normal people, dumb as they are. Go on with their lives having partners and spouses, getting sex and recognition. Meanwhile us have to work till our deaths for what? Like really, to get a roof and some "nice things" which aren't even that nice cause we're just above poor but nowhere near rich.

We're fucked. My best case scenario would be to ammass enough wealth to live off investments and some shit and afford to live without working. But is that even feasible for a low iq incel like me? I doubt so. Even if it were, am i prepared to expend every walking moment pursuing that goal, meanwhile i get older and may die at any moment?

Life is truly fucked man, life truly is. It's not a wonder why i'm always playing games instead of playing life, dark souls difficulty pales in comparison to life's.

Games were fun back when they were a cherry on top of an actual life. Now that I use them to fuckin cope and escape they’re just not fun for me anymore. It’s like my brain knows what I’m hiding from and won’t even let me enjoy it. Stupid mind, I literally cannot fix the problems you’re upset with, gah. I remember getting genuinely depressed and feeling like my heart was getting crushed when I finished Persona 5 because it just hit me that none of those friends were real, I’m no hero, no one respects me, etc. In the story everyone loves you and you get to roleplay as Chad then life just brutally smashing you in the face. It sound so pathetic obviously.

I agree with what you’re saying — life would still be bad without the prospect of sex/romantic relationships, but I think I could tolerate it dramatically so long as my basic needs were met like housing / groceries / utilities and maybe if prostitution was legal here.

For investments, I’ve been contributing a little to my 401K over time (goes into a target date fund) but the issue is:
1) market has been down for several years now and there’s no guarantee future index fund returns will match the boomer globalization era where it was like you couldn’t lose

2) to really make money investing in index funds you need a huge amount of cash thrown into them and for literal decades for it to snowball. Plain bagel has a good video on why investing alone probably won’t make you rich and the reason is because sensible investing vehicles (target date fund, total market index funds, etc) aren’t miracle workers. It takes continuous contribution (ideally a TON of contribution) for we’re talking 20-30 years to really build meaningful wealth and the actual return taxes and fees and inflation all bite.

It’s better than nothing obviously and I’m trying to do it with what I can afford but I just don’t have the funds to heavily invest right now. That said, thank fucking god that passive broad market index funds exist / TDFs exist or I seriously would just lose everything active stock picking because I’m retarded.

 

[cvh1991]

I share your feelings. It was bad enough to be an incel without a possibility of getting a girlfriend, but adding work pressure and having no time to enjoy things i like has put me on a really bad mood lately.

Normal people, dumb as they are. Go on with their lives having partners and spouses, getting sex and recognition. Meanwhile us have to work till our deaths for what? Like really, to get a roof and some "nice things" which aren't even that nice cause we're just above poor but nowhere near rich.

We're fucked. My best case scenario would be to ammass enough wealth to live off investments and some shit and afford to live without working. But is that even feasible for a low iq incel like me? I doubt so. Even if it were, am i prepared to expend every walking moment pursuing that goal, meanwhile i get older and may die at any moment?

Life is truly fucked man, life truly is. It's not a wonder why i'm always playing games instead of playing life, dark souls difficulty pales in comparison to life's.

Question for your username: what are the best isekai? I saw Konosuba and loved it but ive heard it’s a genre full of garbage?

 

[lifefuel]

I would quit that job asap.

We were all born dead, it's just a matter of when you choose to cash the check.

 

[cvh1991]

If you are not already you just spam apply to jobs while you are working and see if you can get a better deal, if you ever feel done with your current job leave citing you found a better offer, sometimes a company will negotiate a counter offer that beats the other companies offer, you can get a payrise or a promotion this way but its only temporary because the relationship with your employer is damaged so it only lasts maybe 6 months but its 6 months of extra pay or a different position for your resume

I wish I was born in a different time too with no technology, even the 1950's or something? I think some time after world war 2 was probably peak time to be alive

In 2023 we may have the best technology and stuff yet but society is extremely depressing, although there is potential in hundreds of years for society to be really good if we can resolve the issues we have but none of us will be alive to experience that

I relate to you too, if my life was a chess game or something I would just resign here.
But I feel like society wants me to kill myself, and I will not out of spite, I will sooner go out doing something stupid, perhaps some daredevil stunt or something.
Also TROONS kill themselves, im not a fucking troon I will not have anything in common with troons

What I’ve been doing for several months is on the weekends (im way too tired from work during the week) I search up jobs on job boards for remote and local and just spam apply my resume anywhere that even looks decent. Thing is, most people are doing that too and all the big boards it’s like every listing has thousands of applications it’s nuts. So many of them too the employer already has someone in mind they know, it’s just surreal how completely fucked the job market is right now. It feels so hopeless after so many applications (to jobs I really am qualified for I should add) I’m losing my motivation to even keep trying.

And yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot about the advent of computers and birth control/abortion and how both of those things massively changed society. Computers on paper seem incredible except that I’m pretty sure a lot of the gains have gone to the top. Before think about how many bullshit jobs there had to be for just basic things computers do now. Instead of computers making our lives easier job side it’s like companies just used them to get more productivity out of fewer workers then passed along the savings to investors and company owners/execs. Obviously there are tons of cool thing for computers, not claiming otherwise but specifically their effect on the workplace is very interesting to ponder.

Birth control/abortion/feminism basically means wages get guttered as you’ve just massively increased the workforce (once again great for the wealthy bad for the actual working joes) and nobody has kids anymore. I’m just not convinced all these advancements were really healthy for humanity, at least not without some kind of massive UBI style restructuring, I dunno. Or at least healthcare and higher education in place such that it doesn’t bankrupt people to get retrained. The USA is so greedy and fucking garbage to people like us, it’s unbelievable. I’m basically some kind of neo serf. A few toys, but everything is contingent on continued wage drudgery that makes me suicidal. And thats assuming you can even get a job. But yeah, one does not make up for the other. Not even close.

Your chess analogy is really good and I feel I know what you mean. That’s a very good way of describing it. We already know we’ve lost the game but keep playing on anyway because our minds are programmed like that.

 

[Hasdrubaal]

It’s a good idea and I understand fully why it’s suggested. Thank you, I appreciate it.

But I’m estranged from one of parents, I don’t even know where they live and they wouldn’t respond if I attempted contact so that’s a no go. Haven’t spoken to them for many many years. The other parent charges me rent that is comparable to market rate. I actually paid them/lived with them for a few years because they really needed the money (allegedly to help my sister who is a fucking retard and has burned every dollar she ever had) but eventually I left. They never forgave me for that actually, acted like I was screwing them by leaving. Fuckers wouldn’t even give me any fridge/freezer space but that’s another subject for another time lol.

I’m sure many of us come from very dysfunctional families. I wish I’d had better guidance growing up, I would’ve done so so many things differently but it’s too late now. Can’t even go back to Uni do to cost structure here in the states. You’re just trapped yah know? It’s unbearable.

Unbearable indeed. It's sad how your other parent chooses to charge you rent instead of trying to help you get back on your feet.
I don't have any pieces of advice except perhaps try cutting costs as much as possible, in all aspects: that includes food, leisure, entertainment, transportation, clothing etc. until you get back up on your feet. Basically damage control mode until some miracle happens with a new job.

Best of luck my man, I hope you find a better paying job and someone that'll love you.

 

[lifefuel]

This can't be life


View: https://youtu.be/ACXye620uk4?feature=shared

 

[cvh1991]

Unbearable indeed. It's sad how your other parent chooses to charge you rent instead of trying to help you get back on your feet.
I don't have any pieces of advice except perhaps try cutting costs as much as possible, in all aspects: that includes food, leisure, entertainment, transportation, clothing etc. until you get back up on your feet. Basically damage control mode until some miracle happens with a new job.

Best of luck my man, I hope you find a better paying job and someone that'll love you.

Thanks a lot, that’s helpful. My plan is to see if someone at work needs a room mate and one thing that put me in a hole is a lightning strike fried my computer through the surge protector (which I use for work too) so I not only had to get another one but also one of those fancy external battery things. I also injured myself on accident/had to spend a ton of money on going to the hospital (USA baby ) so it’s been a rough period. Looking at the stats I’m not even an outlier is the crazy thing — so many working people are one emergency cost away from shitting the bed, this can’t be sustainable right?

 

[cvh1991]

This can't be life


View: https://youtu.be/ACXye620uk4?feature=shared

Good song mang

 

[cvh1991]

This can't be life


View: https://youtu.be/ACXye620uk4?feature=shared

Hey I’m sorry by the way — I think I said some mean shit to you in the past and that wasn’t cool. It’s been bugging me, I don’t like being on bad terms with guys here, but I’m a fuckin asshole sometimes.