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It's Over I hate religion so much its unreal

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You realize that religions too had laws for society and carried out punishment, right? "Thou shalt not murder," is not just an entry in a religious document. It's an enforceable edict by the religious authority. You murder and you will get hanged or have your head chopped off in public. It's not enough that God will be mad at you and throw you in hell ("Oooooh! Aaaaaah! Oh no! Who gives a fuck?"). Having the societal punishments gave something real for the irreligious and the closeted atheists to be afraid of.

Now that changed to, you commit first degree murder and you're getting 25 to life without parole, if you have a shit-tier lawyer.
Why are you championing for Christianity? Does it even allow for warfare, or have rules to prevent war crimes, or what it determines war crimes? Do they even acknowledge war crimes? Islam has given free passage for Hamas foot-soldiers to go crazy against the Israelis, so religion here is adding flames to the war between Israel and Palestine! Something a non-religious state could fix!
 
I'm reading your messages prior to our conversation, and I see where I might have missed your tone about religion = just another form of grand authority, but it was still overwhelmed by your overall message that screams RELIGION IS A MUST.
This is the part that tells me that you're retarded, because I clarified that it's authority which is a must and that religion is a form of that.
 
And if there were no crime for murder? Are you implying that you would go ahead and murder, if you so desired to?

If you are indeed implying as such, then your moral evaluations and reasoning are guided by extrinsic, negative motivations, namely the desire to not be locked up. This would then imply that is not out of an intrinsic moral judgment of the badness of murder, which ironically means, then, that religion and authority are necessary to control your behavior in society. Thus, you are proving the point.
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iu


You realize that religions too had laws for society and carried out punishment, right? "Thou shalt not murder," is not just an entry in a religious document. It's an enforceable edict by the religious authority. You murder and you will get hanged or have your head chopped off in public. It's not enough that God will be mad at you and throw you in hell ("Oooooh! Aaaaaah! Oh no! Who gives a fuck?"). Having the societal punishments gave something real for the irreligious and the closeted atheists to be afraid of.

Now that changed to, you commit first degree murder and you're getting 25 to life without parole, if you have a shit-tier lawyer.
again proves that religion doesnt have to exist since it is enforcing punishments and laws that we can already make based on common sense and logic and science.

obviously murder of any kind is evil and bad thats why we can create laws that oppose it. I dont need a priest to tell me that.
im a good person because i am raised to be a good person and because i value other lives and i understand everyone wants to live just like i want to in peace.

i hope your neighborhood get infested with 10k niggers and mudslims so we will see how much you will enjoy religion
 
i would murder or inflict pain to people who inflicted pain to me i believe an eye for an eye is the right approach, and a strong law enforcement system is necessary to keep people in line so that i dont have to get justice with my own hands.

Right now i saw on the news the pope is preaching israel and gaza to stop fighting, who the fuck listenned to him?? nobody.

and even if a highly influential person from the jews or an imam from muslims also preached for peace also nobody will listen to them.

people act like they care about god judgement in the afterlife but nobody does fr
 
religion and churches are just a business. people have every right to be a atheist.
 
This is the part that tells me that you're retarded, because I clarified that it's authority which is a must and that religion is a form of that.

You agreed to "Atheism only brings nihilism, hedonism, antinatalism, moral relativism, and existential chaos. Religion is necessary."
Said "Without religion most people would behave like complete and utter savages."
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Twerking for religion to be back to the governing power everywhere in this text block:

"You realize that religions too had laws for society and carried out punishment, right? "Thou shalt not murder," is not just an entry in a religious document. It's an enforceable edict by the religious authority. You murder and you will get hanged or have your head chopped off in public. It's not enough that God will be mad at you and throw you in hell ("Oooooh! Aaaaaah! Oh no! Who gives a fuck?"). Having the societal punishments gave something real for the irreligious and the closeted atheists to be afraid of.

Now that changed to, you commit first degree murder and you're getting 25 to life without parole, if you have a shit-tier lawyer."
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What the fuck is this, man? Trying to slither around like a Jew, saying your whole point is just religion = alternative authorityto the state but I was right:

"It's not. You didn't understand point, but that's OK. You want to feel correct in your rejection of religion and are emotionally attached to the outcome. I get it. You don't have to worry."


YES, your overall message DOES scream RELIGION IS A MUST :(
 
again proves that religion doesnt have to exist since it is enforcing punishments and laws that we can already make
If without religion and law, people turn into cannibals and murderers, then at least one of those is necessary. Divine law is metaphysically superior to man-made law, so having religion in conjunction with the state serves as supplementary.

based on common sense and logic and science.
KEK. Good joke, m8. I rate 8/8.

obviously murder of any kind is evil and bad thats why we can create laws that oppose it.
Why is murder bad? Explain it me in your own words from the ground up.

I dont need a priest to tell me that.
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Many other people sure do, even though a large percentage of them may not care and only worry about what the king or the tribal chief will do to them if they did commit murder.

im a good person
WTF is a "good person?" Define that for us.

because i am raised to be a good person and because i value other lives and i understand everyone wants to live just like i want to in peace.
Which is precisely what I said earlier about how most people simply adopt the morals of their culture (that includes upbringing), instead of doing the hard work and building their own moral system from scratch. Most of the heavy lifting and legwork has already been done by religion, hence the intellectual laziness on morality.

i hope your neighborhood get infested with 10k niggers and mudslims so we will see how much you will enjoy religion
Holy fuck, I'm dealing with absolute retards.
 
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You agreed to "Atheism only brings nihilism, hedonism, antinatalism, moral relativism, and existential chaos. Religion is necessary."
Said "Without religion most people would behave like complete and utter savages."
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Twerking for religion to be back to the governing power everywhere in this text block:

"You realize that religions too had laws for society and carried out punishment, right? "Thou shalt not murder," is not just an entry in a religious document. It's an enforceable edict by the religious authority. You murder and you will get hanged or have your head chopped off in public. It's not enough that God will be mad at you and throw you in hell ("Oooooh! Aaaaaah! Oh no! Who gives a fuck?"). Having the societal punishments gave something real for the irreligious and the closeted atheists to be afraid of.

Now that changed to, you commit first degree murder and you're getting 25 to life without parole, if you have a shit-tier lawyer."
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What the fuck is this, man? Trying to slither around like a Jew, saying your whole point is just religion = alternative authorityto the state but I was right:

"It's not. You didn't understand point, but that's OK. You want to feel correct in your rejection of religion and are emotionally attached to the outcome. I get it. You don't have to worry."


YES, your overall message DOES scream RELIGION IS A MUST :(
Everything I've said is there, plain to see. That you don't understand it is your problem, GrAYnigger kike.
 
again proves that religion doesnt have to exist since it is enforcing punishments and laws that we can already make based on common sense and logic and science.

obviously murder of any kind is evil and bad thats why we can create laws that oppose it. I dont need a priest to tell me that.
im a good person because i am raised to be a good person and because i value other lives and i understand everyone wants to live just like i want to in peace.

i hope your neighborhood get infested with 10k niggers and mudslims so we will see how much you will enjoy religion

I'm tired of Jewish behaviour being tolerated over here. Literally, we have a proclaimed agnostic @verybasedindeed dog whistling for a theocracy a page to the left, and this mf screaming retard is flying around, captain save-a-society going 251 mph, twerking for a theocracy. I recently came back from a Islamist-dominated gated and patrolled district and it was VILE. It led me to blaspheming quietly . Genuinely made me more grateful, sympathetic and kinder towards Whites for allowing me to stay in Europe as a closeted ex-Mudslime.
 
If without religion and law, people turn into cannibals and murderers, then at least one of those is necessary. Divine law is metaphysically superior to man-made law, so having religion in conjunction with the state serves as supplementary.


KEK. Good joke, m8. I rate 8/8.


Why is murder bad? Explain it me in your own words from the ground up.


Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Many other people sure do, even though a large percentage of them may not care and only worry about what the king or the tribal chief will do to them if they did commit murder.


WTF is a "good person?"


Which is precisely what I said earlier about how most people simply adopt the morals of their culture (that includes upbringing), instead of doing the hard work and building their own moral system from scratch. Most of the heavy lifting and legwork has already been done by religion, hence the intellectual laziness on morality.


Holy fuck, I'm dealing with absolute retards.
dude when your neighborhood gets infested with high volume speakers everyday at 5 pm and at 5 am with a 2 hour long low iq nigger holering his scripture for u to focefully hear you will understand what i mean.

maybe you are priviledged or u live in a good country where the majority is atheist so u simply dont understand whats it like to live in a deep infested country with low iq retards who keeps shouting god all day when people are dying from poverty

Obviously murder is bad because would u want to be murdered? there could be common laws that clearly states what is bad and what is good, something that inflicts pain is logically bad, which murder does, hitting someone does, robbing someone does, raping someone does ect..

if u kill someone u clearly dont value life and u should be killed immediately why would i waste MY money on you being in jail?

In christianity you can do whatever sin you want but then if u confess and truly believe in your confession then u will be saved and granted heaven jfl

any educated person has the bare minimum of awareness to realize what he is doing is bad and these laws can be changed anyways with voting and scientific advancements ofc.

again if religion really did the job you are saying it does then there would be no wars because every person behind these wars would be afraid for his afterlife.

100% of guys watch porn eventho porn is prohibted in all religions.

alot of people also cheat when cheating is prohibted ect.. NOBODY IS LIVING LIKE THEIR RELIGION SAYS THEREFOR IT IS USELESS
 
Everytime some idiot tells me to pray a rage deep inside me boils like no other.

I seriously might kill someone if they tell me to pray to a made up entity on a wrong day.

Im sorry you got brain washed and you re too stupid to realise it like i did.

But stop giving me useless advice u stupid motherfucker nigger.
no religion for your face
 
I'm tired of Jewish behaviour being tolerated over here. Literally, we have a proclaimed agnostic @verybasedindeed dog whistling for a theocracy a page to the left, and this mf screaming retard is flying around, captain save-a-society going 251 mph, twerking for a theocracy. I recently came back from a Islamist-dominated gated and patrolled district and it was VILE. It led me to blaspheming quietly . Genuinely made me more grateful, sympathetic and kinder towards Whites for allowing me to stay in Europe as a closeted ex-Mudslime.
there is a speaker from a newly formed mosque that goes off everyday where i live its been here for a month and im thinking of going ER because of it.

It blasts full volume monkey language at 5 AM and 5 PM everyday making me feel like im a caveman retard
 
I'm tired of Jewish behaviour being tolerated over here. Literally, we have a proclaimed agnostic @verybasedindeed dog whistling for a theocracy a page to the left, and this mf screaming retard is flying around, captain save-a-society going 251 mph, twerking for a theocracy. I recently came back from a Islamist-dominated gated and patrolled district and it was VILE. It led me to blaspheming quietly . Genuinely made me more grateful, sympathetic and kinder towards Whites for allowing me to stay in Europe as a closeted ex-Mudslime.
It's not much of a feat to be both stupid and wrong, but you did it with flying colors. You're carrying all your religious and cultural baggage into this conversation, which is what gives you obvious blind spots in comprehending the discussion properly.

I hear it from former religious types on occasion. They always point towards corrupt figures in their community like some priest or mullah who fucked kids as an example of why they personally believe it's all bullshit. They then fail to introspect and investigate their own beliefs. What you end up with is exactly what I said: people who take shortcuts and simply adopt another set of morals. They exchange one set of beliefs with another.
 
there is a speaker from a newly formed mosque that goes off everyday where i live its been here for a month and im thinking of going ER because of it.

It blasts full volume monkey language at 5 AM and 5 PM everyday making me feel like im a caveman retard
Brutal :feelsbadman:
 
It's not much of a feat to be both stupid and wrong, but you did it with flying colors. You're carrying all your religious and cultural baggage into this conversation, which is what gives you obvious blind spots in comprehending the discussion properly.

I hear it from former religious types on occasion. They always point towards corrupt figures in their community like some priest or mullah who fucked kids as an example of why they personally believe it's all bullshit. They then fail to introspect and investigate their own beliefs. What you end up with is exactly what I said: people who take shortcuts and simply adopt another set of morals. They exchange one set of beliefs with another.
No, I'm not, Juden. This is the first time I've referenced my experience as an ex-Islamist. You haven't refuted anything I've actually said, because I used your own words against you. Don't gaslight me.

"They always point towards corrupt figures in their community like some priest or mullah who fucked kids as an example of why they personally believe it's all bullshit."
Fucking despicable. Keep your mouth closed when it comes to Islam in general. I've introspected and investigated my beliefs as an ex-Muslim that was quite literally about to emigrate to a jihadist group in the region. If taking another set of morals saved my life, and saved my "enemies" lives, and will do so in the future, then that is good. And religion doesn't need to tell me otherwise. I'm about to transfer for a year temporarily to Korea, and I will bear no animosity in my heart due to their non-worship of Allah. I'm clean, and I can live a longer life with no un-bias hatred now. Because the problem was always with Islam, regardless of moderates (apostates) or "terrorists" (Muslims living for the sake of Allah)
 
dude when your neighborhood gets infested with high volume speakers everyday at 5 pm and at 5 am with a 2 hour long low iq nigger holering his scripture for u to focefully hear you will understand what i mean.

maybe you are priviledged or u live in a good country where the majority is atheist so u simply dont understand whats it like to live in a deep infested country with low iq retards who keeps shouting god all day when people are dying from poverty
Just ignore it theory.

It's annoying, I get it.

Obviously murder is bad because would u want to be murdered? there could be common laws that clearly states what is bad and what is good, something that inflicts pain is logically bad, which murder does, hitting someone does, robbing someone does, raping someone does ect..
OK, you're working towards an argument for why murder is bad. Keep going, brocel.

if u kill someone u clearly dont value life and u should be killed immediately why would i waste MY money on you being in jail?
Why does life have value? What value does it have?

In christianity you can do whatever sin you want but then if u confess and truly believe in your confession then u will be saved and granted heaven jfl
I'm not here to argue theology or its finer points. I frankly DGAF about religion, but I don't discard its utility and function.

any educated person has the bare minimum of awareness to realize what he is doing is bad and these laws can be changed anyways with voting and scientific advancements ofc.
This is not an argument for why murder is bad.

Also, votes don't determine moral truths, only the (relativistic) moral values and conventions of a given society and culture. And morality is not in the domain of science, so scientific advancements do not change moral truths.

again if religion really did the job you are saying it does then there would be no wars because every person behind these wars would be afraid for his afterlife.
I didn't say that religion did a good job. I said that it's religion's function (purpose).

100% of guys watch porn eventho porn is prohibted in all religions.
Yes, what's your point? That people do things they're not supposed to anyway? Of course. You're missing the point.

Imagine if, instead of paying for your sins in some afterlife, God entered your room and commanded you not to fap in some menacing voice the moment you opened your incognito window. Nobody would be fapping. :feelskek:

alot of people also cheat when cheating is prohibted ect.. NOBODY IS LIVING LIKE THEIR RELIGION SAYS THEREFOR IT IS USELESS
Yes, which is why there is a need for authority, like I've seen saying this whole damn time. Because people will behave like selfish assholes (often at the expense of others), if there is no accountability and punishment.

Aren't you niggers reading anything here? JFL
 
No, I'm not, Juden. This is the first time I've referenced my experience as an ex-Islamist. You haven't refuted anything I've actually said, because I used your own words against you. Don't gaslight me.

"They always point towards corrupt figures in their community like some priest or mullah who fucked kids as an example of why they personally believe it's all bullshit." Fucking despicable. Keep your mouth closed when it comes to Islam in general. I've introspected and investigated my beliefs as an ex-Muslim that was quite literally about to emigrate to a jihadist group in the region. If taking another set of morals saved my life, and saved my "enemies" lives, and will do so in the future, then that is good. And religion doesn't need to tell me otherwise. I'm about to transfer for a year temporarily to Korea, and I will bear no animosity in my heart due to their non-worship of Allah. I'm clean, and I can live a longer life with no un-bias hatred now. Because the problem was always with Islam, regardless of moderates (apostates) or "terrorists" (Muslims living for the sake of Allah)
based take me to korea with you please
 
Just ignore it theory.

It's annoying, I get it.


OK, you're working towards an argument for why murder is bad. Keep going, brocel.


Why does life have value? What value does it have?


I'm not here to argue theology or its finer points. I frankly DGAF about religion, but I don't discard its utility and function.


This is not an argument for why murder is bad.

Also, votes don't determine moral truths, only the (relativistic) moral values and conventions of a given society and culture. And morality is not in the domain of science, so scientific advancements do not change moral truths.


I didn't say that religion did a good job. I said that it's religion's function (purpose).


Yes, what's your point? That people do things they're not supposed to anyway? Of course. You're missing the point.

Imagine if, instead of paying for your sins in some afterlife, God entered your room and commanded you not to fap in some menacing voice the moment you opened your incognito window. Nobody would be fapping. :feelskek:


Yes, which is why there is a need for authority, like I've seen saying this whole damn time. Because people will behave like selfish assholes (often at the expense of others), if there is no accountability and punishment.

Aren't you niggers reading anything here? JFL
ok mang nevermind i tell you there is a speaker blasting allahu akbar in my ears for 2 hours everyday at 5 AM you tell me to just ignore it.

There is no point in arguing you're right :feelsokman:
 
No, I'm not, Juden. This is the first time I've referenced my experience as an ex-Islamist. You haven't refuted anything I've actually said, because I used your own words against you. Don't gaslight me.
You have yet to say anything of substance, nor have you understood a thing here.

"They always point towards corrupt figures in their community like some priest or mullah who fucked kids as an example of why they personally believe it's all bullshit." Fucking despicable. Keep your mouth closed when it comes to Islam in general.
How about you go fuck yourself?

I've introspected and investigated my beliefs as an ex-Muslim that was quite literally about to emigrate to a jihadist group in the region. If taking another set of morals saved my life, and saved my "enemies" lives, and will do so in the future, then that is good. And religion doesn't need to tell me otherwise. I'm about to transfer for a year temporarily to Korea, and I will bear no animosity in my heart due to their non-worship of Allah. I'm clean, and I can live a longer life with no un-bias hatred now. Because the problem was always with Islam, regardless of moderates (apostates) or "terrorists" (Muslims living for the sake of Allah)
WTF does your personal belief have anything to do with the discussion? I don't fucking care about your beliefs and experiences, GrAYnigger. They're not relevant. I don't care if you worship Allah or some onlyfans whore's sphincter.

I'm talking about religion in the abstract, not about any particular religion, belief, and certainly not about any particular country and its politics.
 
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ok mang nevermind i tell you there is a speaker blasting allahu akbar in my ears for 2 hours everyday at 5 AM you tell me to just ignore it.
Bro that sucks be woken up at 5am like that, but WTF does it have to do with anything we talked about? I still want to see you build up to why murder is morally bad.
 
I've introspected and investigated my beliefs as an ex-Muslim
This is what I'm interested in. What did you think and reason about as you gradually investigated your own beliefs and why you believed them? It's not important what the belief is necessarily, but how you went about it.

I mentioned earlier that most atheists are intellectually lazy and haven't done the work for themselves, but it sounds as though you actually might have.
 
@gymletethnicel Hey buddy boyo, I know you've done some soul-searching in religion and you didn't ragequit Islam just cos. What was the process for you like? I know someone who dropped Islam because he prayed to God and his oneitis rejected him, so he rejected his god and his religion. JFL
 
@gymletethnicel Hey buddy boyo, I know you've done some soul-searching in religion and you didn't ragequit Islam just cos. What was the process for you like? I know someone who dropped Islam because he prayed to God and his oneitis rejected him, so he rejected his god and his religion. JFL
I really don't want to get into a long religious argument, but in short the unfairness of God's test in general was the first spark to leaving the religion. What led me to be more critical of it though is the behaviour of Muslims themselves and the dogshit family I come from. A big thing that made me question the validity of God's test was the preserved tablet where all our actions, deeds and entire future are written. I found it hard to accept the concept of it whilst believing it be a fair test.

For example, you could be a very good Muslim for your ENTIRE life, but then on the preserved tablet it is written you will go to hell anyway because coincidentally at the end of your life you will do something that will make you fall out of the religion completely and goes to a gruesome hellfire for eternity. And it can also the opposite, you can have a very despicable person who is dying of cancer, but right before his death he utters the Islamic declaration of faith and therefore he suddenly goes to eternal paradise.

I don't think this is considered a fair test at all, very opposite of justice actually. But there are many many things, this is just one point really.
 
I really don't want to get into a long religious argument, but in short the unfairness of God's test in general was the first spark to leaving the religion. What led me to be more critical of it though is the behaviour of Muslims themselves and the dogshit family I come from. A big thing that made me question the validity of God's test was the preserved tablet where all our actions, deeds and entire future are written. I found it hard to accept the concept of it whilst believing it be a fair test.

For example, you could be a very good Muslim for your ENTIRE life, but then on the preserved tablet it is written you will go to hell anyway because coincidentally at the end of your life you will do something that will make you fall out of the religion completely and goes to a gruesome hellfire for eternity. And it can also the opposite, you can have a very despicable person who is dying of cancer, but right before his death he utters the Islamic declaration of faith and therefore he suddenly goes to eternal paradise.

I don't think this is considered a fair test at all, very opposite of justice actually. But there are many many things, this is just one point really.
I remember when you mentioned this. Did you ever seek official clarification on this issue?
 
Say incellahu Akhbar and drop the bomb to your bluepilled friends
 
I remember when you mentioned this. Did you ever seek official clarification on this issue?
Yes, they will say oh well, you don't know what's written on it so just act the best way you can bro.
It's written that way because God knows that you would do that.

But then turn the question around, why did God create me if he KNEW that I would fail his test only to put me in hellfire forever? They will say, oh God has that complete right and he just needs to prove his point and then he can say ah see look you're a bad person it's deserved. But then that would mean that God is an evil bastard. But he didn't have to create me.

If you start with questioning the test of God himself then the rest follows.
 
Yes, they will say oh well, you don't know what's written on it so just act the best way you can bro.
It's written that way because God knows that you would do that.

But then turn the question around, why did God create me if he KNEW that I would fail his test only to put me in hellfire forever? They will say, oh God has that complete right and he just needs to prove his point and then he can say ah see look you're a bad person it's deserved. But then that would mean that God is an evil bastard. But he didn't have to create me.

If you start with questioning the test of God himself then the rest follows.
I would like to see this problem posed to an Islamic debater. It's too bad no one here is well-versed in Islamic metaphysics.
 
I know what you're entailing, and I'm working on it. Since we're obviously on...incels.is, marriage isn't something I am hopeful for so the pressure is very little compared to if I'm expecting my wife to have our baby and I need a complete moral system to walk me through the process of father and familyhood. You said earlier that religion does all the heavy work for us. I will use Islam to explain further what I mean.

In the words of Abu Baraa, former Muslim political activist and 'Shari' student {A Shari student studies the Islamic legislation known as the Sharia or Shariah law} : "Islam is a complete way of life. Every aspect of a person's life is an governed by Islam. The way they sleep, to the way they wake up, to the way they clean/groom themselves (personal hygiene), to their family life at home, to their public life at work, to the economy, to the relationship to those in authority (The Ruler/Emir, or in the case of a Caliphate, the Caliph), as well as how to rule and govern, to establish an economy in society, how to establish judiciary and penal code as well as foreign policy and international relationships. All of it is governed by Islamic laws (I.e. Sharia Law)"

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Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds.
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Warfare can be split into offensive and defensive in Islam, both stated as Jihad - Offensive as a means to spread Islam and "light" and Defensive as a means to defend one's country, land, fellow Muslims and family. Wala wal Baraa is a concept that you bear loyalty and love to Muslims, and disloyalty and animosity to general non-Muslims. According to Ibn Kathir, a well-known Quran exegesis author, both Christians and Juden are to pay a tax of humiliation due to their religion - Jizya - and if either see a Muslim walking on the same path, they must get off the path for the Muslim. Religious Segregation goes brrr

Wala wal Baraa is to be upheld in every encounter with a general non-Muslim with the exception of parents in non-warfare situations, and those poor retards looking to join Islam and are swayed by the chirping of Da'waa (a means to spread Islam through proselytism). This means you have hundreds of thousands of Muslims, no millions upholding this Jewish-like loyalty with each other, and united hatred of non-Muslims. A lot of Muslims don't, but this is either because they don't want to which is blasphemy or they haven't been informed by their teachers or parents. They learn about it online most of the times.

So take past me for example. I'm walking through a mall, and all I see are non-Muslims, and I see blasphemy in the form of Christmas, or celebrating Pride day, yada yada. I have all this hate in my heart, like Abraham did according to the Quran: There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, “Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone” except for the saying of Abraham to his father, “I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah. Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination."

So you have hatred to non-Muslims which encompasses everyone who isn't Muslim. That's literally 1.7 billion out of world hating/supposed to hate 6.3 billion, forget about Muslims who are in reality apostates. We're 8.0 billion as a human race as it is. I haven't even explained:

-Democracy is incompatible with Islam
-No covenant of security between the Ummah and the rest of the Non-Muslim world so y'all in the West are free game to lone-wolves, taking blame for the destruction and meddling of your governments in Muslim affairs
-Romanisation of Martyrdom/Death - look at how the hadiths describe paradise is under the shade of swords and how Muslims should have love of death and hatred of life (In the past, this made me feel noble + I wanted my 72 waifus under the cover of paradise after a painless death :ahegao: )
-Concubinage and a general slave-sex market as seen with the Yazidis and IS
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Islam, like Scientology, like Judaism, like some denominations of Christianity (Branch Davidians), is another cult. Despite it's claims of fulfilling the human nature, it alienates, demonizes Christians and Juden to worse than animals as the Quran states. Has caused an everlasting cycle where Muslims will fight against everything, including other self-proclaimed Muslims until the never-coming apocalyptic Final Hour. I'm navigating, reborn even, looking at you and others as HUMANS that want to live, that are scared of death, that have families, that have dreams. The package that Islam has brought to me is despicable, and I reject it.

I've said it before. I'm reborn, and I'm finding my way around without a package, a system that I don't have to think about but follow to the upmost.

It's not important what the belief is necessarily
It is, and I hope I've made it clear. There is no other religion, or ideology like Islam, and there never will be. It will never mass-reform either, as Christianity has. It is important I summarised a few nuanced topics to give you an understanding.

how you went about it
In short, extreme situations and pivotal moments that brought unease and warned a threatening conclusion cultivated overtime, and I chose to adhere to my new sense of humanity? My environments changed drastically, going from a democratic and tolerant society to an Islamist-dominated and Christian-minority district thousands of miles away. I questioned if I was bestowed with rare knowledge, and the blessing of eventual martyrdom if I acted upon my knowledge. I can't live a life of this much hate anymore. Why would God want this much, for his final masterpiece to involve the disbelievers to burn and his believers to laugh at their dismay from heavenly cushions. Why is Islam special, but why does it resemble every other cult? For all of man's existence, will the world be split between believers vs disbelievers until a judgement day? It was never as clear as it was right now, black and white - I'm nobody special. I used to believe my blood was the purest as a Muslim.

I don't know the meaning of life, and I heavily doubt the existence of any God. As for a morality system, or way of life, I admit and accept that I'm my own God, choosing my own morals to deviate and ever-change. Allah says those who follow their own desires worship themselves anyways. For laws, I adhere to the country I adhere in to avoid punishments.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg&ab_channel=DarkMatter2525
 
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I would like to see this problem posed to an Islamic debater. It's too bad no one here is well-versed in Islamic metaphysics.
It kind of reminds of the actual test in life, to reproduce, there are so many factors outside of your control and you really don't have a choice in the matter at the end of the day. The game was rigged from the start. So is the "test" Allah gives.
 
It kind of reminds of the actual test in life, to reproduce, there are so many factors outside of your control and you really don't have a choice in the matter at the end of the day. The game was rigged from the start. So is the "test" Allah gives.
Based apostate.
 
In short, extreme situations and pivotal moments that brought unease and warned a threatening conclusion cultivated overtime, and I chose to adhere to my new sense of humanity? My environments changed drastically, going from a democratic and tolerant society to an Islamist-dominated and Christian-minority district thousands of miles away. I questioned if I was bestowed with rare knowledge, and the blessing of eventual martyrdom if I acted upon my knowledge. I can't live a life of this much hate anymore. Why would God want this much, for his final masterpiece to involve the disbelievers to burn and his believers to laugh at their dismay from heavenly cushions. Why is Islam special, but why does it resemble every other cult? For all of man's existence, will the world be split between believers vs disbelievers until a judgement day? It was never as clear as it was right now, black and white - I'm nobody special. I used to believe my blood was the purest as a Muslim.

I don't know the meaning of life, and I heavily doubt the existence of any God. As for a morality system, or way of life, I admit and accept that I'm my own God, choosing my own morals to deviate and ever-change. Allah says those who follow their own desires worship themselves anyways. For laws, I adhere to the country I adhere in to avoid punishments.
I see. Thank you for explaining your thought processes and transformation of beliefs. For most, it seems as though it's a subtle and gradual process that happens incrementally over many years without much drastic changes, but for you it seemed to happen abruptly and to a greater degree.
 
some incels think if they join a church it would be a lot easier to find a woman. this is not true at all they all want chad. save yourself the BS and just stay home.
 
Honestly seeing woman getting killed IS THE most erotic thing I had ever seen in My life.
If Its not for law I would HAVE rape woman and killed then rape their dead bodies already. Also Human lifes are just nothing, we all are mince meat put into this World trying To created fabricated meaning when their IS None.

I dont give a shit about Your moral, Its just Your dick enforcing it on me
 
im an orthodox christian but i believe im definetly going to hell
 

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