From my observations, even the average male is ugly when compared to the average woman. Is it true, or is it true in your case/area? I refuse the average male is attractive in comparison to the average female.
It's a relative concept. One person's idea of ugliness will differ from another. The more relevant idea is the collective idea of ugliness that women tend to share. Under that definition about 80 percent of men are ugly.
Nah, average men are just completely invisible to women.
Chad = Desired
Normie = Invisible
Trucel = Mocked
Chad = Desired
Normie = Invisible
Trucel = Mocked
Average is by definition is average, it only seem that way to you because youre attracted to women and not to men, i presume. Men dont use so many tricks as makeup, pushups underwear, leggings that make slimmer and firmer. ETC.
if you are not chad, you aren't going to be noticed
Yep, average-looking men are considered ugly nowadays. Blame social media and feminism
Under 20, most definitely.
Male and female value is judged differently though. A male's total lifetime value is, to a significant degree, the total money that he makes in his lifetime. It's also things like his total social status, and his total strength.
People who point out (and they're not wrong) that height matters, or facial symmetry matter, or race matters - a lot of these people don't seem to realize that all of those other attributes are actually just proxies for strength and status, and that how much money you make is significantly tied to that too.
So, we are actually talking about the same thing. But anyway, a male of average "life success" is successful, by the metrics of human sexuality, out into his 40s. He's still "a man" in his 40s and often times, he can get the attention of girls in their 20s.
By contrast, women's value is entirely, 100% their looks ...and just as height and face is a proxy for strength and status in men, "looks" is a proxy for youth and fertility in women. But unlike men, women's attractiveness runs out really fast. People in western societies who claim that women in their 30s are still hot are mostly just coping. Other cultures are more honest. Women have about 15 years of attractiveness.
So yes, men are uglier than women, but our value lasts longer. If you multiplied the average male's (low) value times the number of years he'll have value, it's about the same as an average woman - an average woman who has unlimited attention and validation and astronomically high value when she's 19 or 20 - an average woman who looks down on an average man because she'd retarded enough to believe that because chads are willing to fuck her, she is on the level of a chad.
What's normal for our species is that a woman is supposed to make a man fall in love with her, so that he keeps taking care of her when she gets older. As a man, this is the purpose of "love" - this is why natural selection designed that particular emotion you're feeling.
What's peak clown world is that every woman on earth in 2022 spends her brief 10-15 years of high value giving it up to chad for free and getting absolutely nothing in return. Then when she hits 30, she expects an average man to marry her and support her the rest of her life. She wants that longterm payout even though she squandered the value she was supposed to trade for it.
It cracks me up to see these women pitch themselves to men on dating sites by listing their degrees, or their businesses, or where they've traveled - as if any of those things is a substitute for her squandered youth. But I guess thirsty betas lap it up.
Male and female value is judged differently though. A male's total lifetime value is, to a significant degree, the total money that he makes in his lifetime. It's also things like his total social status, and his total strength.
People who point out (and they're not wrong) that height matters, or facial symmetry matter, or race matters - a lot of these people don't seem to realize that all of those other attributes are actually just proxies for strength and status, and that how much money you make is significantly tied to that too.
So, we are actually talking about the same thing. But anyway, a male of average "life success" is successful, by the metrics of human sexuality, out into his 40s. He's still "a man" in his 40s and often times, he can get the attention of girls in their 20s.
By contrast, women's value is entirely, 100% their looks ...and just as height and face is a proxy for strength and status in men, "looks" is a proxy for youth and fertility in women. But unlike men, women's attractiveness runs out really fast. People in western societies who claim that women in their 30s are still hot are mostly just coping. Other cultures are more honest. Women have about 15 years of attractiveness.
So yes, men are uglier than women, but our value lasts longer. If you multiplied the average male's (low) value times the number of years he'll have value, it's about the same as an average woman - an average woman who has unlimited attention and validation and astronomically high value when she's 19 or 20 - an average woman who looks down on an average man because she'd retarded enough to believe that because chads are willing to fuck her, she is on the level of a chad.
What's normal for our species is that a woman is supposed to make a man fall in love with her, so that he keeps taking care of her when she gets older. As a man, this is the purpose of "love" - this is why natural selection designed that particular emotion you're feeling.
What's peak clown world is that every woman on earth in 2022 spends her brief 10-15 years of high value giving it up to chad for free and getting absolutely nothing in return. Then when she hits 30, she expects an average man to marry her and support her the rest of her life. She wants that longterm payout even though she squandered the value she was supposed to trade for it.
It cracks me up to see these women pitch themselves to men on dating sites by listing their degrees, or their businesses, or where they've traveled - as if any of those things is a substitute for her squandered youth. But I guess thirsty betas lap it up.
For the okcupid study. Women find 80% of men below average. It’s most likely 90/10 now
Average women and average men are average, the difference is that average women don't see average men as people
obviously. delusional and bluepilled if you think otherwise
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based. I don’t care about how much money fefails make or their degrees. They want to be like men so badly 
Standards placed on men are just through the roof. It's not that the average man is ugly, it's that media only displays the best men. This is unlike their portrayal of women. In movies they have an average cougars with literal model tier gigachads.
I think so yes, the average 5/10 man may be average, but average isn't good enough for women anymore. They all want 7/10 and above.
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The average man is not attractive to women, that’s a difference. But the average Woman is attractive to men
this sounds like something on FDS.
men are not uglier than women. you might think that because you’re not gay, but statistically the majority of severely obese people are women
men are not uglier than women. you might think that because you’re not gay, but statistically the majority of severely obese people are women
Yes.
Not Chad = Ugly in womens collectivist opinion so yes
To women yes they are. But fakeup makes average or below foids seem like their looksmatch is of a higher SMV but it's all denial, not true at all.
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