Islam or Secularism/atheism? Islamic conservatism or western liberalism? What is the future of the west?

[CrackyChanFan]

Looking at the precipitous collapse of Christianity in Europe and to a certain extent North America in the past 50 years, and with it the collapse of traditional values, roles and ideals, what will the future of western culture be?

Will the 21st century be the century where religion becomes a thing of the past? Will feminist views on sex, gender, relationships, and child rearing become the total and complete norm? Will polyamorous relationships just become the norm as feminism just continues to triumph?

Or will in replacement of Christianity will Islam continue to grow and flourish? Muslim birth rates are far higher in Europe; the conversion rate to Islam is impressive too and young Muslims tend to not leave their faith in the way that white Christians almost always do. Unlike Christians, Muslims are actually willing to stand up and fight to defend the honour of their faith from defamation.

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

LGHDTV+ mosques. Trans-Lesbina Mullahs.

 

[Osman279]

Will the 21st century be the century where religion becomes a thing of the past?

Pay attention to what happens in the Middle East and North Africa. If a strong muslim polity forms in the coming decades that will be the deciding factor of what happens in the West.

 

[stalin22]

Looking at the precipitous collapse of Christianity in Europe and to a certain extent North America in the past 50 years, and with it the collapse of traditional values, roles and ideals, what will the future of western culture be?

Will the 21st century be the century where religion becomes a thing of the past? Will feminist views on sex, gender, relationships, and child rearing become the total and complete norm? Will polyamorous relationships just become the norm as feminism just continues to triumph?

Or will in replacement of Christianity will Islam continue to grow and flourish? Muslim birth rates are far higher in Europe; the conversion rate to Islam is impressive too and young Muslims tend to not leave their faith in the way that white Christians almost always do. Unlike Christians, Muslims are actually willing to stand up and fight to defend the honour of their faith from defamation.

secular humanism not christcucks or pisslands

 

[Namtriz912]

secular humanism not christcucks or pisslands

Many people adhere to secular humanist principles so does the UN

 

[stalin22]

Many people adhere to secular humanist principles so does the UN

yes that's the main religion of the West not Islam or Christianity
the UN is a globalist anglojew construct forged from the ashes of ww2

 

[stalin22]

Islam is being diluted it's over it's just for aesthetics and superficial reasons they call themselves Muslim

 

[Namtriz912]

yes that's the main religion of the West not Islam or Christianity
the UN is a globalist anglojew construct forged from the ashes of ww2

I agree they dropped Christianity for secular humanism but the anglo-jews + their puppies are far from humane but rather ruthless when it comes to ushering in their agendas.

 

[ethniccel1]

Nobody really follows Islam in the West because it doesnt work.

In the West you need to be ever more skilled or else you will work with illegal immigrants for peanuts. Islam just gets in the way of whats needed to become highly skilled in maths, physics , electronics.

It wont last long among the youth especially since jobs are becoming ever more technical. Even drug dealing and scams are all online these days and becoming more sophisticated because police also want to take the dealers down.

I doubt Islam can adapt especially since the education needed for the professional world is in direct conflict with Islams stance on rationalism and philosophy with every single thing been Inshallah instead of Allah gave us brains to develop and use and bring Allahs works out of them so develop the mind and study.

So that Middle East Islamic philosophy has no chance at all. If Islam survives then it will be unrecognisable to current Islam as taught by Scholars of everything Inshallah instead of think and do for self.

 

[CrackyChanFan]

LGHDTV+ mosques. Trans-Lesbina Mullahs.

I feel like this cannot really happen in the long term. Feminist values lead to low birth rates. Anti-masculine values lead to softness and weakness. Poor discipline leads to low productivity.

Ultimately, the aforementioned values, those that are dominant in the west and are becoming increasingly more intense, are self-destructive. Progressives and secular liberals do not have a lot of kids, if they have any. It gets harder and harder from them to self-replicate their ideas. Religious ultra-conservatives do.

secular humanism not christcucks or pisslands

Secular humanism leads to weakness. We killed God with science and all we got for that was a bunch of degenerate single mums, STDs, depression, aimlessness, apathy, hedonism and nihilism.

A person and a civilisation needs to believe in something greater than itself for it to psychologically function. Otherwise people fall into hedonism and then inevitably into nihilism.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

this 100%
Trans mosques. Trans imams. Trans will get so prevalent. That over 20% of zoomers will be trans eventually.

LGHDTV+ mosques. Trans-Lesbina Mullah

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Nobody really follows Islam in the West because it doesnt work.

In the West you need to be ever more skilled or else you will work with illegal immigrants for peanuts. Islam just gets in the way of whats needed to become highly skilled in maths, physics , electronics.

It wont last long among the youth especially since jobs are becoming ever more technical. Even drug dealing and scams are all online these days and becoming more sophisticated because police also want to take the dealers down.

I doubt Islam can adapt especially since the education needed for the professional world is in direct conflict with Islams stance on rationalism and philosophy with every single thing been Inshallah instead of Allah gave us brains to develop and use and bring Allahs works out of them so develop the mind and study.

So that Middle East Islamic philosophy has no chance at all. If Islam survives then it will be unrecognisable to current Islam as taught by Scholars of everything Inshallah instead of think and do for self.

this 100% too. Islam definitely in its current form is completely incompatible with long term economic growth. And now ofc with the extreme faggotry in every government and employer as well.

 

[CrackyChanFan]

Nobody really follows Islam in the West because it doesnt work.

In the West you need to be ever more skilled or else you will work with illegal immigrants for peanuts. Islam just gets in the way of whats needed to become highly skilled in maths, physics , electronics.

Kek. Japan is arguably the most skilled nation in maths, physics and electronics.
Where are they now? A dying nation due to collapsing birth rates. High suicide. So many Japanese men are incels. The Jap government is panicking because the country will cease to function with such a low birth rate.

All the tech skills and ‘intelligence’ in the world means Jack shit to creating a surviving civilisation if you can’t fuck and raise kids and pass down your civilisation.

To weather oncoming global collapse you don’t need high tech skills. You need low tech skills. You need communal self-sufficiency, agriculture and tight nit communities. High birth rates. The Amish are primed to be successful in the future. Such insanely high birth rates are really affecting the politics of Pennsylvania. Keep an eye on the Amish.

Wealthy and educated nations and communities die. They don’t have kids. The kids they do have are weak and often socially maladjusted.

The illiterate favella dwellers of Rio or the Amish or Pennsylvania or people of Saudi Arabia or anywhere is Sub Saharan Africa; these people have explosive birth rates. Like it or not they are the people of the future

 

[stalin22]

I agree they dropped Christianity for secular humanism but the anglo-jews + their puppies are far from humane but rather ruthless when it comes to ushering in their agendas.

humane?
no bro they are evil and cruel for them everything is intersectional
every one is a sinner and must repent every one is both oppressed and an oppression

for example I as a 21 year old indian male is a oppression to indian women
but i'm being oppressed by the rich
Indians

I cannot however be critical of LGBT women or minorities since I'm a general caste cis hetronormative Indian. Male

I feel like this cannot really happen in the long term. Feminist values lead to low birth rates. Anti-masculine values lead to softness and weakness. Poor discipline leads to low productivity.

Ultimately, the aforementioned values, those that are dominant in the west and are becoming increasingly more intense, are self-destructive. Progressives and secular liberals do not have a lot of kids, if they have any. It gets harder and harder from them to self-replicate their ideas. Religious ultra-conservatives do.


Secular humanism leads to weakness. We killed God with science and all we got for that was a bunch of degenerate single mums, STDs, depression, aimlessness, apathy, hedonism and nihilism.

A person and a civilisation needs to believe in something greater than itself for it to psychologically function. Otherwise people fall into hedonism and then inevitably into nihilism.

Absolutely we need a ruthless fascist dictatorship

 

[ethniccel1]

Kek. Japan is arguably the most skilled nation in maths, physics and electronics.
Where are they now? A dying nation due to collapsing birth rates. High suicide. So many Japanese men are incels. The Jap government is panicking because the country will cease to function with such a low birth rate.

All the tech skills and ‘intelligence’ in the world means Jack shit to creating a surviving civilisation if you can’t fuck and raise kids and pass down your civilisation.

To weather oncoming global collapse you don’t need high tech skills. You need low tech skills. You need communal self-sufficiency, agriculture and tight nit communities. High birth rates. The Amish are primed to be successful in the future. Such insanely high birth rates are really affecting the politics of Pennsylvania. Keep an eye on the Amish.

Wealthy and educated nations and communities die. They don’t have kids. The kids they do have are weak and often socially maladjusted.

The illiterate favella dwellers of Rio or the Amish or Pennsylvania or people of Saudi Arabia or anywhere is Sub Saharan Africa; these people have explosive birth rates. Like it or not they are the people of the future

Bra you are dreaming. Nations have been going through population cycles for thousands of years . Example Gemany was only 18million population in the 1800's now 200 years later 80-something million ethnic Germans.

Example Zimbabwe popultaion when the British arrived was 200K now 18million.


That population decline stuff is pushed by right wingers because they hate nigger and sand niggers in their countries

 

[WuhanFriedPuppies]

I feel like this cannot really happen in the long term. Feminist values lead to low birth rates. Anti-masculine values lead to softness and weakness. Poor discipline leads to low productivity.

Ultimately, the aforementioned values, those that are dominant in the west and are becoming increasingly more intense, are self-destructive. Progressives and secular liberals do not have a lot of kids, if they have any. It gets harder and harder from them to self-replicate their ideas. Religious ultra-conservatives do.


Secular humanism leads to weakness. We killed God with science and all we got for that was a bunch of degenerate single mums, STDs, depression, aimlessness, apathy, hedonism and nihilism.

A person and a civilisation needs to believe in something greater than itself for it to psychologically function. Otherwise people fall into hedonism and then inevitably into nihilism.

Instead of children inheriting from their parents, Feminism and LGHDTV+ are social contagions that spread through public schooling and the internet. Secular humanism is here to stay until a viable alternative comes along, and a return to traditional religions is not possible under modern conditions. Instead, rationalist secular humanism has been supplanted by quasi-religious identity politics, where individuals perform bizarre rituals to stay on 'the right side of history" and summon the classless, stateless, genderless, raceless, and nationless utopia.

 

[CrackyChanFan]

Bra you are dreaming. Nations have been going through population cycles for thousands of years . Example Gemany was only 18million population in the 1800's now 200 years later 80-something million ethnic Germans.

Example Zimbabwe popultaion when the British arrived was 200K now 18million.


That population decline stuff is pushed by right wingers because they hate nigger and sand niggers in their countries

No. The population decline stuff is panicking governments, economists and experts in geopolitics across the world. The Japanese government literally just called it a national emergency recently.

Of course the German and Zimbabwean population has increased in the last 200 years… what do you think you’re trying to prove?

For all of human history nations have never had birth rates this low. This situation is unprecedented.

 

[CrackyChanFan]

Instead of children inheriting from their parents, Feminism and LGHDTV+ are social contagions that spread through public schooling and the internet.

Communities that isolate themselves from mainstream schools and the internet are interesting. The Amish. Hassidic Jews. Orthodox Muslims.

Also, in my anecdotal experience Muslims are pretty good at resisting the LGBT stuff; they are the only ones in the U.K. to semi successfully push back against this stuff.

 

[ControlledInsanity]

No. The population decline stuff is panicking governments

"panicking" are you sure they aren't rejoicing? Well, maybe not the governments directly, but the intergovernmental organizations who constantly bang the drums about the world being overpopulated.

 

[ethniccel1]

No. The population decline stuff is panicking governments, economists and experts in geopolitics across the world. The Japanese government literally just called it a national emergency recently.

Of course the German and Zimbabwean population has increased in the last 200 years… what do you think you’re trying to prove?

For all of human history nations have never had birth rates this low. This situation is unprecedented.

Bra governments are panicked of course because they suck blood taxes from working people. The more workers the more blood taxes. Very simple.

Populations rise and fall and have been doing so for thousands of years. Example a famine can kill 90% of the population, war also, disease also. Populations rise and fall it is normal.



All that scary stuff is just right wing nonsence and as you said governments afraid that their easy life of sucking money is over and they have to get a normal job

 

[CrackyChanFan]

"panicking" are you sure they aren't rejoicing? Well, maybe not the governments directly, but the intergovernmental organizations who constantly bang the drums about the world being overpopulated.

People who worry about overpopulation are idiots. The whole idiocy began in the 60s with Paul Erlich’s ‘The Population Bomb’. It predicted famines in the late 20th century that never happened; he massive underestimated improvement in food production and erroneously thought that the baby boomer effect post WW2 would continue and grow. ‘In the 1970s hundreds of Millions of people will starve to death’ was his claim. He was wrong.

The median age of developed counties in Northern Europe and East Asia is getting insanely high. A country where such a large portion of the population are elderly retirees just cannot function. Japan is heading there and they are in full panic mode at the moment.

This problem has never existed before. We are in uncharted territory as per what demographic collapse/ageing population looking in countries in East Asian counties. It won’t be pretty.

 

[CrackyChanFan]

Bra governments are panicked of course because they suck blood taxes from working people. The more workers the more blood taxes. Very simple.

Populations rise and fall and have been doing so for thousands of years. Example a famine can kill 90% of the population, war also, disease also. Populations rise and fall it is normal.



All that scary stuff is just right wing nonsence and as you said governments afraid that their easy life of sucking money is over and they have to get a normal job

Populations always fell because of events like famines, war, catastrophe etc… populations have never fallen due to low birth rates until now.

The issue is the percentage of people over retirement age; not economically producing. The economy can’t function like that.

It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing. The fucking BBC is reporting on it. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

 

[Trannydestroyer]

secular humanism not christcucks or pisslands

I have atheist leanings but not humanist

 

[NihilisticSoul]

idk about all of europe but UK, France and Germany will be muslim majority.

 

[stalin22]

I have atheist leanings but not humanist

That's fine but the sheeple need something to believe In u know

 

[NihilisticSoul]

EE has close to east Asia low birth rate and most young ppl will move to the west so depopulation.

 

[ethniccel1]

Populations always fell because of events like famines, war, catastrophe etc… populations have never fallen due to low birth rates until now.

The issue is the percentage of people over retirement age; not economically producing. The economy can’t function like that.

It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing. The fucking BBC is reporting on it. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

bra and so what? Economies rise and fall, empires rise and fall. Just build anew economy and continue business as usual.


When the shit hits the fan and the economy is totaly screwed people will have kids because government policies change . This government is liberal more or less because of a strong economy. When the economy crashes people turn to strongmen, religion etc etc and they promote kids even giving housing for free for large families and such stuff.


By the way there are many Euros and Japs having many kids even 5, the majority however are not. They will die off and the rest remain who continue the cycle . End of story

Thats the point I am trying to make

 

[CrackyChanFan]

When the economy crashes people turn to strongmen, religion etc etc

That is literally part of my whole argument. Communities with high birth rates than can successfully replicate themselves will end up dominating the world once things collapse due to declining birth rates; these communities are universally religious and authoritarian in nature. (Amish, Orthodox Muslims, Sub-Saharan Africans). That was the whole point.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

That is literally part of my whole argument. Communities with high birth rates than can successfully replicate themselves will end up dominating the world once things collapse due to declining birth rates; these communities are universally religious and authoritarian in nature. (Amish, Orthodox Muslims, Sub-Saharan Africans). That was the whole point.

Those communities are all filthy cockroaches who haven't invented anything of significant worth in the past millennium. Their high birth rate is meaningless when most of them live like cockroaches and die young. 0 sentience, 0 art, 0 music.

 

[Savage]

LGHDTV+ mosques. Trans-Lesbina Mullahs.

 

[Med Amine]

apocalypse by nuclear war and climate change will destroy the west and the east all together, there's no need to worry about politics in the future since we're already doomed

 

[ethniccel1]

That is literally part of my whole argument. Communities with high birth rates than can successfully replicate themselves will end up dominating the world once things collapse due to declining birth rates; these communities are universally religious and authoritarian in nature. (Amish, Orthodox Muslims, Sub-Saharan Africans). That was the whole point.

I dunno about whites going religious though as in Islam, Christ etc maybe into occult shit as usual like with the 3rd reich which their leaders teach them

 

[Osman279]

I feel like this cannot really happen in the long term. Feminist values lead to low birth rates. Anti-masculine values lead to softness and weakness. Poor discipline leads to low productivity.

Ultimately, the aforementioned values, those that are dominant in the west and are becoming increasingly more intense, are self-destructive. Progressives and secular liberals do not have a lot of kids, if they have any. It gets harder and harder from them to self-replicate their ideas. Religious ultra-conservatives do.


Secular humanism leads to weakness. We killed God with science and all we got for that was a bunch of degenerate single mums, STDs, depression, aimlessness, apathy, hedonism and nihilism.

A person and a civilisation needs to believe in something greater than itself for it to psychologically function. Otherwise people fall into hedonism and then inevitably into nihilism.

Kek. Japan is arguably the most skilled nation in maths, physics and electronics.
Where are they now? A dying nation due to collapsing birth rates. High suicide. So many Japanese men are incels. The Jap government is panicking because the country will cease to function with such a low birth rate.

All the tech skills and ‘intelligence’ in the world means Jack shit to creating a surviving civilisation if you can’t fuck and raise kids and pass down your civilisation.

To weather oncoming global collapse you don’t need high tech skills. You need low tech skills. You need communal self-sufficiency, agriculture and tight nit communities. High birth rates. The Amish are primed to be successful in the future. Such insanely high birth rates are really affecting the politics of Pennsylvania. Keep an eye on the Amish.

Wealthy and educated nations and communities die. They don’t have kids. The kids they do have are weak and often socially maladjusted.

The illiterate favella dwellers of Rio or the Amish or Pennsylvania or people of Saudi Arabia or anywhere is Sub Saharan Africa; these people have explosive birth rates. Like it or not they are the people of the future

@ethniccel1 I didn't know you were so empty-headed and dense.

 

[Osman279]

idk about all of europe but UK, France and Germany will be muslim majority.

Inshallah

 

[Pajeetsingh]

The future of west is and will always be neoliberalism