Discussion Mods, Can I Have a Son and Be an Incel?

[lonelysince2006]

This is obviously a general and rhetorical question since I don't have a son, but what if you have a son through a surrogate (without having sex)? You'll essentially remain a virgin but give your sperm to be fertilized with a female's egg. This should still be inceldom since you didn't have unpaid sex or any sex whatsoever. However, you still reproduced, which is not paradoxical, but certainly strange.

Imagine if in the future, this practice because much easier and much more acceptable/widespread and we have more people doing this, so we might get an incel class similar to escortmaxxers called "childhavers" on this forum.

I made a thread before on this:

Would You Have a Son Through a Female Surrogate?

Would you have a son through artificial insemination of a female surrogate where your sperm is placed into her egg and allowed to gestate until the child is born? I wouldn't have a son either way since my genetics are inferior and have to be wiped from this Earth (this doesn't mean that I don't...

incels.is

@Fat Link @proudweeb @SlayerSlayer @TheProphetMuscle @The Enforcer @Dregster @Caesercel @Uggo Mongo @PLA1092 @LeFrenchCel

Mods, thoughts on this? This may be a thread of interest. I can stop mass-tagging you guys if you don't like it, but I am curious as to the mod position on this issue.

Other persons of interest: @Epedaphic @Dusk @FrothySolutions @Efiliste @Serpents reign

 

[Max Doltman]

yes

 

[THE TRUE DIGLET]

JoinedJan 10, 2024

 

[lonelysince2006]

JoinedJan 10, 2024

Read the thread, my guy.

 

[PrettyBoi]

I am not a mod, but I cannot see how the answer cannot be "Yes."

 

[NeverEvenBegan]

yes

 

[faded]

This is obviously a general and rhetorical question since I don't have a son, but what if you have a son through a surrogate (without having sex)? You'll essentially remain a virgin but give your sperm to be fertilized with a female's egg. This should still be inceldom since you didn't have unpaid sex or any sex whatsoever. However, you still reproduced, which is not paradoxical, but certainly strange.

Imagine if in the future, this practice because much easier and much more acceptable/widespread and we have more people doing this, so we might get an incel class similar to escortmaxxers called "childhavers" on this forum.

I made a thread before on this:

Would You Have a Son Through a Female Surrogate?

Would you have a son through artificial insemination of a female surrogate where your sperm is placed into her egg and allowed to gestate until the child is born? I wouldn't have a son either way since my genetics are inferior and have to be wiped from this Earth (this doesn't mean that I don't...

incels.is

@Fat Link @proudweeb @SlayerSlayer @TheProphetMuscle @The Enforcer @Dregster @Caesercel @Uggo Mongo @PLA1092 @LeFrenchCel

Mods, thoughts on this? This may be a thread of interest. I can stop mass-tagging you guys if you don't like it, but I am curious as to the mod position on this issue.

Other persons of interest: @Epedaphic @Dusk @FrothySolutions @Efiliste @Serpents reign

DnD rd kys faggot

 

[Sans]

I don't see why not, if there's ways to have children without having sex such as the aforementioned (or breaking into a sperm bank and replacing all the sperm with your own in Minecraft).

 

[PrettyBoi]

A man can also have a wife, and therefor sex, and then have a child. The relationship ends somehow, and the man is sexless for X amount of time in which case he reverts back to incel status.

Is that a real picture of you? If so, why would you expose yourself like that, and if not, why would you expose a different person?

 

[Wolnir]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

 

[Fifita]

The world is too cruel to raise a kid

 

[SteelCentaur]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

Eugenics in action. Brutal.

 

[Puppeter]

Wtf ban this digusting foid

 

[lonelysince2006]

I am not a mod, but I cannot see how the answer cannot be "Yes."

Why not?

DnD rd kys faggot

TLDR: You can have a son through a surrogate egg without having sex, meaning you're still a virgin and thus, an incel.

A man can also have a wife, and therefor sex, and then have a child. The relationship ends somehow, and the man is sexless for X amount of time in which case he reverts back to incel status.

I never said get a wife, bro, I said you can have a son through a surrogate and still be incel.

And yes, that's the technical definition of inceldom, but on this forum, we don't use that. Anyone that has had sex is not an incel. And for the purpose of this thread, I'm using the "forum-accepted" definition of the word.

Is that a real picture of you? If so, why would you expose yourself like that, and if not, why would you expose a different person?

That's not me. As a general rule of thumb, nobody uses their real picture on this forum. This picture is of Christopher Reese Swanson (1971–2013). You can read more about him here:

In 2013 an oldcel teacher shot himself after a student he loved got with Chad, he made a website

The website was taken down but it's still up on the wayback machine. Unfortunately the images didn't get saved but a lot of his ranting did. This is just to show what inceldom can do to someone. He obviously thought he had ascended with his student and it sounds like he thought he could have...

incels.is

He was a tortured soul abandoned by the world and the woman he truly loved. Bless him and may he rest in peace. He was too kind for this brutal world.

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

So what if you're average height (5'9) and not bald, but ugly? I would think they might accept it. After all, they might be more sympathetic if, say, they saw a Wizard who told them he's still a virgin!

The world is too cruel to raise a kid

True, I wouldn't wish the curse of life on anyone.

Eugenics in action. Brutal.

Women are the biggest proponents of eugenics, but they don't admit it. Sexual selection is eugenic by nature; you're weeding out the weak and inferior men.

Wtf ban this digusting foid

Please read the thread if you have time, or just read the TLDR I wrote here.

 

[faded]

Why not?

TLDR: You can have a son through a surrogate egg without having sex, meaning you're still a virgin and thus, an incel.

I never said get a wife, bro, I said you can have a son through a surrogate and still be incel.

And yes, that's the technical definition of inceldom, but on this forum, we don't use that. Anyone that has had sex is not an incel. And for the purpose of this thread, I'm using the "forum-accepted" definition of the word.

That's not me. As a general rule of thumb, nobody uses their real picture on this forum. This picture is of Christopher Reese Swanson (1971–2013). You can read more about him here:

In 2013 an oldcel teacher shot himself after a student he loved got with Chad, he made a website

The website was taken down but it's still up on the wayback machine. Unfortunately the images didn't get saved but a lot of his ranting did. This is just to show what inceldom can do to someone. He obviously thought he had ascended with his student and it sounds like he thought he could have...

incels.is

He was a tortured soul abandoned by the world and the woman he truly loved. Bless him and may he rest in peace. He was too kind for this brutal world.

So what if you're average height (5'9) and not bald, but ugly? I would think they might accept it. After all, they might be more sympathetic if, say, they saw a Wizard who told them he's still a virgin!

True, I wouldn't wish the curse of life on anyone.

Women are the biggest proponents of eugenics, but they don't admit it. Sexual selection is eugenic by nature; you're weeding out the weak and inferior men.

Please read the thread if you have time, or just read the TLDR I wrote here.

Men who have son are cucked af I want daughter so I can fuck and abuse her pussy every night when she is old enough (in gta)

 

[Undervalued]

Virginity doesn't determine inceldom. It is about trying to get into a long-term relationship but failing. After losing his virginity through dumb luck, some 33 year old with 1000 rejections isn't a normie. That would make little sense.

 

[lonelysince2006]

Men who have son are cucked af I want daughter so I can fuck and abuse her pussy every night when she is old enough (in gta)

Perhaps like this?

Virginity doesn't determine inceldom. It is about trying to get into a long-term relationship but failing. After losing his virginity through dumb luck, some 33 year old with 1000 rejections isn't a normie. That would make little sense.

Well, I'm not here to argue about what an incel is and isn't and this thread isn't about that, it's about whether a virgin with a son through a surrogate could still be considered an incel and so allowed on the forum. What would you say to that?

 

[DepravedAndDeprived]

I considered donating sperm for biological reasons but I don't meet the height requirement

 

[Undervalued]

Well, I'm not here to argue about what an incel is and isn't and this thread isn't about that, it's about whether a virgin with a son through a surrogate could still be considered an incel and so allowed on the forum. What would you say to that?

Fair enough. No, because it would open a can of worms. You could get a bunch of larpers using this as a smokescreen. Who knows? Very few have posted pictures. A good number of posters here could be Chadlite/Normie.

 

[faded]

Perhaps like this?
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Well, I'm not here to argue about what an incel is and isn't and this thread isn't about that, it's about whether a virgin with a son through a surrogate could still be considered an incel and so allowed on the forum. What would you say to that?

Yes but I don’t look at anime is for chinks and losers

 

[lonelysince2006]

I considered donating sperm for biological reasons but I don't meet the height requirement

I looked it up and becoming a parent through surrogacy is different from sperm donation. You can be an "intended parent" regardless of your height, at least according to this website and in my country:

Intended Parent Qualifications - Surrogacy in Canada Online

An outline of items to qualify intended parents for applying to Surrogacy in Canada Online. Raising a child is one of the most wonderful experiences in life, bringing fulfillment and joy to all members of a family. However, 1 out of 6 Canadian couples struggles with infertility or other factors...

surrogacy.ca

And this:

Surrogate Parents | Canadian Fertility Consultants

Surrogacy process for intended parents. Needing a Surrogate? Our fertility consultants will help you to find the right surrogate to create your family

fertilityconsultants.ca

From ChatGPT:

Yes, sperm donation and becoming a parent through surrogacy are different processes.

Sperm donation involves a man donating his sperm to be used by a woman or couple for the purpose of conception, typically through artificial insemination. The donor does not have any parental rights or responsibilities for any resulting children.

Surrogacy, on the other hand, involves a woman (the surrogate) carrying a pregnancy for another person or couple (the intended parents). This can be done through traditional surrogacy, where the surrogate's own egg is fertilized with the intended father's sperm, or gestational surrogacy, where the surrogate carries an embryo created from the egg and sperm of the intended parents or donors. In gestational surrogacy, the surrogate is not genetically related to the child she carries.

In both cases, legal agreements are typically put in place to clarify the rights and responsibilities of all parties involved.

Fair enough. No, because it would open a can of worms. You could get a bunch of larpers using this as a smokescreen. Who knows? Very few have posted pictures. A good number of posters here could be Chadlite/Normie.

We can't tell either way. What's the point? This is an anonymous message board. Unless you out yourself, no one will know if you're X or Y. Debating who is and isn't X or Y is pointless.

 

[Fallout]

JoinedJan 10, 2024

 

[FrothySolutions]

Technically yes, from what I've heard. You can be incel where once you weren't incel. But that's a hard thing to prove, so best to not brag.

 

[Sad Violin]

I am not a mod, but I cannot see how the answer cannot be "Yes."

Says the guy that joined on March 18th

 

[PrettyBoi]

Says the guy that joined on March 18th

Yeah, so what? You joined today. I have to admit, I think that I am one of the most astute commenters here.

 

[lonelysince2006]

Technically yes, from what I've heard. You can be incel where once you weren't incel. But that's a hard thing to prove, so best to not brag.

I honestly want a robot son more than anything, like something out of Astro Boy. That way, if he doesn't want to live, I can tearfully give him assisted suicide with the push of a button and he wouldn't have to suffer in this mortal realm anymore.

I want a robot son so bad, boyos—up there with a robot wife. I wouldn't care if they beat me to death in my sleep because they felt like it. I would still love them.

 

[UglyDumbass]

This is obviously a general and rhetorical question since I don't have a son, but what if you have a son through a surrogate (without having sex)? You'll essentially remain a virgin but give your sperm to be fertilized with a female's egg. This should still be inceldom since you didn't have unpaid sex or any sex whatsoever. However, you still reproduced, which is not paradoxical, but certainly strange.

Imagine if in the future, this practice because much easier and much more acceptable/widespread and we have more people doing this, so we might get an incel class similar to escortmaxxers called "childhavers" on this forum.

I made a thread before on this:

Would You Have a Son Through a Female Surrogate?

Would you have a son through artificial insemination of a female surrogate where your sperm is placed into her egg and allowed to gestate until the child is born? I wouldn't have a son either way since my genetics are inferior and have to be wiped from this Earth (this doesn't mean that I don't...

incels.is

@Fat Link @proudweeb @SlayerSlayer @TheProphetMuscle @The Enforcer @Dregster @Caesercel @Uggo Mongo @PLA1092 @LeFrenchCel

Mods, thoughts on this? This may be a thread of interest. I can stop mass-tagging you guys if you don't like it, but I am curious as to the mod position on this issue.

Other persons of interest: @Epedaphic @Dusk @FrothySolutions @Efiliste @Serpents reign

no grAY

 

[SlayerSlayer]

This is obviously a general and rhetorical question since I don't have a son, but what if you have a son through a surrogate (without having sex)? You'll essentially remain a virgin but give your sperm to be fertilized with a female's egg. This should still be inceldom since you didn't have unpaid sex or any sex whatsoever. However, you still reproduced, which is not paradoxical, but certainly strange.

Imagine if in the future, this practice because much easier and much more acceptable/widespread and we have more people doing this, so we might get an incel class similar to escortmaxxers called "childhavers" on this forum.

I made a thread before on this:

Would You Have a Son Through a Female Surrogate?

Would you have a son through artificial insemination of a female surrogate where your sperm is placed into her egg and allowed to gestate until the child is born? I wouldn't have a son either way since my genetics are inferior and have to be wiped from this Earth (this doesn't mean that I don't...

incels.is

@Fat Link @proudweeb @SlayerSlayer @TheProphetMuscle @The Enforcer @Dregster @Caesercel @Uggo Mongo @PLA1092 @LeFrenchCel

Mods, thoughts on this? This may be a thread of interest. I can stop mass-tagging you guys if you don't like it, but I am curious as to the mod position on this issue.

Other persons of interest: @Epedaphic @Dusk @FrothySolutions @Efiliste @Serpents reign

no

even though you did not have a child thru free consensual sex, you still have sexhaver status and responsibilities inherently just having a child-- especially if you use your own sperm.

Just the thought of some cunt getting pregnant thru your sperm is just already far beyond escortcel status

 

[ItsJoeverNigga]

Foids don't use incels as sperm donors even that is Chad only

 

[Efiliste]

Surrogacy might be an option

 

[Efiliste]

You could technically be considered an incel (just not an antinatalist)

 

[FinnCel]

Just spermbankmaxxtheory

 

[lonelysince2006]

sexhaver status

What does this entail? How is having a child a privilege? It gives you minimal social privilege, and even then, it's cancelled out by the work you have to put in raising your child, which takes a toll physically (you have to work), emotionally/psychologically, and financially.

responsibilities inherently just having a child

This is literally (1) horrible for your life quality and (2) a falio. People will think you're a divorced single dad in your twenties/thirties, which doesn't exactly signal good things (wife left you early or you're just an ATM).

Foids don't use incels as sperm donors even that is Chad only

Just spermbankmaxxtheory

I think sperm donation and having a child through surrogacy is different because you aren't giving your sperm to potentially dozens of women, you're giving it to one woman and taking custody of the child once it's born (unlike sperm donation). I really should've specified this.

You could technically be considered an incel (just not an antinatalist)

My first act as an 18-year-old legal adult will be to purchase a gun for the purpose of self-deliverance and not to create new suffering in this world.

 

[MisfitPerson]

Yes just dont have a daugther

 

[Efiliste]

Yes just dont have a daugther

yes

 

[MisfitPerson]

yes

Thats cucked af

 

[tulasdanslos]

In France paternity tests are banned thus marriedcels can raise their wive's sons.

 

[Undervalued]

We can't tell either way. What's the point? This is an anonymous message board. Unless you out yourself, no one will know if you're X or Y. Debating who is and isn't X or Y is pointless.

Strict rules = more relatable community. Again, a hard pass. At best, they'd be stunted incels. They wouldn't develop or understand the apathy and despair of other Incels because they'll have a ton of positive experiences with the hypothetical son.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Thats cucked af

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

this

 

[Efiliste]

In France paternity tests are banned thus marriedcels can raise their wive's sons.

ovER for me and many others on this forum

 

[MisfitPerson]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

For real?

 

[Drinkcel]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Deserved.

 

[lonelysince2006]

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A son is arguably a better ally.

Strict rules = more relatable community. Again, a hard pass. At best, they'd be stunted incels. They wouldn't develop or understand the apathy and despair of other Incels because they'll have a ton of positive experiences with the hypothetical son.

That's similar to escortmaxxers. They have sex and good experiences with escorts, and every time they make a thread about it, it absolutely mogs and humiliates their fellow incels, to the point that most lash out when someone does that—calling it a "brag"—and advocating for banning escortmaxxers. The question is: Does the pleasure of paid sex outweigh the pleasure of raising a son?

This entire argument could be used for escortmaxxers and you wouldn't know without context who it would be referring to.

this

ovER for me and many others on this forum

For real?

Not in Canada at least:

Surrogate Parents | Canadian Fertility Consultants

Surrogacy process for intended parents. Needing a Surrogate? Our fertility consultants will help you to find the right surrogate to create your family

fertilityconsultants.ca

Intended Parent Qualifications - Surrogacy in Canada Online

An outline of items to qualify intended parents for applying to Surrogacy in Canada Online. Raising a child is one of the most wonderful experiences in life, bringing fulfillment and joy to all members of a family. However, 1 out of 6 Canadian couples struggles with infertility or other factors...

surrogacy.ca

Seems there's no minimum height requirement.

 

[SupremeGentleCel]

Your sperm wouldn't be accepted if you're truly sub 5. A lot of sperm banks have minimum height requirements and disqualify balding men etc.

Brutal black pill right here
Swallow that one, MF´s

 

[lonelysince2006]

Brutal black pill right here
Swallow that one, MF´s

SPERM DONATION ISN'T THE SAME AS HAVING A CHILD THROUGH SURROGACY.

 

[Undervalued]

That's similar to escortmaxxers. They have sex and good experiences with escorts, and every time they make a thread about it, it absolutely mogs and humiliates their fellow incels, to the point that most lash out when someone does that—calling it a "brag"—and advocating for banning escortmaxxers. The question is: Does the pleasure of paid sex outweigh the pleasure of raising a son?

This entire argument could be used for escortmaxxers and you wouldn't know without context who it would be referring to.

Can't answer. Free time gets eaten up by children, especially when they're young. Perhaps you wouldn't have time to think about Inceldom?

 

[SlayerSlayer]

this

this is why if any surrogate actually signed off on your contract, to actually use YOUR sperm, consider your contract as an incel null and void

 

[SlayerSlayer]

SPERM DONATION ISN'T THE SAME AS HAVING A CHILD THROUGH SURROGACY.

you're still using your sperm though. surrogacy is like betabuxxing your way into a sperm donor status-- but its still a huge mog, because zero incels are able to do this. The only person I can think of off the top of my head is Michael Jackson-- but even then it's highly unlikely he used his sperm to make white kids