I’m not the first person to suggest this, see:
incels.is
But I think the FBI derails discussion here because they see us as a threat
COINTELPRO (you can skip this part it’s just copied from Wikipedia)
So starting from 1956 the FBI ran a series of illegal projects called COINTELPRO that was “aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic American political organisations”. They targeted civil rights activists (including sending MLK a letter telling him to kill himself, im not joking), communists, feminists, environmentalists, anti-vietnam war activists, etc., as well as a few right wing organisations like the KKK. Their 5 main tactics were:
Now the FBI claims that this ended in 1971, but no one believes them on that. There are many examples of them being confirmed to do it since then. As recently as 2017 their documents show that they were surveilling BLM protestors as “Black Identity Extremists” and doing essentially the same thing to them as COINTELPRO.
Why there are glowies among us
The reason I brought this up is because I think Wikipedia’s description of the FBI’s tactics match up a lot with what’s happening to us.
Their main purpose was to discredit, disrupt and negatively redirect action.
Compare .is as it is now to the r/braincels archive. .is is now far less about inceldom and posting memes and stuff (even in media), and far more about racebait or just hating on women. Granted this is probably part because we’re not on reddit anymore, but I believe it’s also that glowies make these kind of threads (“slide threads” as they’re called on 4chan), since this problem is getting worse and worse
exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents
I know this is ironic to say now, but people here get accused of being IT infiltrators/glowies over the tiniest things. This would be normal, but it gets very sus when you get accused of being an imposter for not being racist or supporting pedophilia or something. It’s like glowies are using our fear of glowies to push this change away from inceldom and towards just being a far-right movement.
They planted false media stories
This is obviously happening to incels. The media paints us at these evil alt-right misogynists when we’re really just lonely guys looking for someone to talk to. Recently though we’ve become a bit more like what the media portrayed us as, and as I said this is probably because of glowies influencing this change
The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals
This hasn’t officially happened in America yet but it has in Canada and the UK, both of which have legally classified incels as a terrorist group. Now we’re obviously not terrorists; I made another thread about how the average incel kills less than the average American. And if we are terrorists then we’re probably the easiest terrorists to please, considering that all we want is just one woman to love us. I doubt the UK’s prevent scheme is about getting gfs for incels. The point of these “counter terrorism” projects isn’t actually to deradicalise incels, it’s to make us seem like terrorists to the public.
block leaders from "spreading their philosophy publicly or through the communications media"
The incel subreddits, which were doing a great job at bring attention to incels, were all banned. This could’ve been just reddit’s decision after brigaders kept reporting posts there, or it could’ve been from government pressure too. Either way it worked in their favour. Fortunately they’ve had problems taking down .is because of our Icelandic domain, but they’ll probably do it eventually by pressuring our ISP. They’ll might take down inceltear as well because they’ve been bringing attention to us, or leave it up because they portray us badly
they oversaw the creation of "documentaries" skillfully edited to paint the Black Panther Party as aggressive
Obviously happening to us too. I think they’re also using academia by having all those useless incel studies portray us as hateful. One possible reason for this is that it allows them to change the narrative on Wikipedia by abusing the site’s rules. Just look at the history of its incel page and you’ll see what I mean
false newspapers that spread misinformation about party members
Plenty of examples of this too, already mentioned under the “false media stories” bit
TLDR The FBI is COINTELPROing us, and it’s pretty hopeless but we can fight back by going back to how we would post in the r/braincels days. Also we should be mistrustful of anyone who posts non-incel-related things in ID such as racebait
Are we being manipulated by the FBI?
It's well known that fbi and other government organizations cooperate with big tech to censor/influence public opinions, such is the case of "twitter files" where fauci forced twitter to censor "misinformation". Also, reddit and many other sites have highly intelligent bots pushing for opinions...
incels.is
COINTELPRO (you can skip this part it’s just copied from Wikipedia)
So starting from 1956 the FBI ran a series of illegal projects called COINTELPRO that was “aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic American political organisations”. They targeted civil rights activists (including sending MLK a letter telling him to kill himself, im not joking), communists, feminists, environmentalists, anti-vietnam war activists, etc., as well as a few right wing organisations like the KKK. Their 5 main tactics were:
- Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit, disrupt and negatively redirect action. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
- Psychological warfare: The FBI and police used a myriad of "dirty tricks" to undermine movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials, and others to cause trouble for activists. They used bad-jacketing to create suspicion about targeted activists, sometimes with lethal consequences.[73]
- Harassment via the legal system: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers of the law gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, "investigative" interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters.[72][74]
- Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings and assassinations.[72] The objective was to frighten or eliminate dissidents and disrupt their movements.
- Undermine public opinion:One of the primary ways the FBI targeted organizations was by challenging their reputations in the community and denying them a platform to gain legitimacy. Hoover specifically designed programs to block leaders from "spreading their philosophy publicly or through the communications media". Furthermore, the organization created and controlled negative media meant to undermine black power organizations. For instance, they oversaw the creation of "documentaries" skillfully edited to paint the Black Panther Party as aggressive, and false newspapers that spread misinformation about party members. The ability of the FBI to create distrust within and between revolutionary organizations tainted their public image and weakened chances at unity and public support.[48]
Now the FBI claims that this ended in 1971, but no one believes them on that. There are many examples of them being confirmed to do it since then. As recently as 2017 their documents show that they were surveilling BLM protestors as “Black Identity Extremists” and doing essentially the same thing to them as COINTELPRO.
Why there are glowies among us
The reason I brought this up is because I think Wikipedia’s description of the FBI’s tactics match up a lot with what’s happening to us.
Their main purpose was to discredit, disrupt and negatively redirect action.
Compare .is as it is now to the r/braincels archive. .is is now far less about inceldom and posting memes and stuff (even in media), and far more about racebait or just hating on women. Granted this is probably part because we’re not on reddit anymore, but I believe it’s also that glowies make these kind of threads (“slide threads” as they’re called on 4chan), since this problem is getting worse and worse
exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents
I know this is ironic to say now, but people here get accused of being IT infiltrators/glowies over the tiniest things. This would be normal, but it gets very sus when you get accused of being an imposter for not being racist or supporting pedophilia or something. It’s like glowies are using our fear of glowies to push this change away from inceldom and towards just being a far-right movement.
They planted false media stories
This is obviously happening to incels. The media paints us at these evil alt-right misogynists when we’re really just lonely guys looking for someone to talk to. Recently though we’ve become a bit more like what the media portrayed us as, and as I said this is probably because of glowies influencing this change
The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals
This hasn’t officially happened in America yet but it has in Canada and the UK, both of which have legally classified incels as a terrorist group. Now we’re obviously not terrorists; I made another thread about how the average incel kills less than the average American. And if we are terrorists then we’re probably the easiest terrorists to please, considering that all we want is just one woman to love us. I doubt the UK’s prevent scheme is about getting gfs for incels. The point of these “counter terrorism” projects isn’t actually to deradicalise incels, it’s to make us seem like terrorists to the public.
block leaders from "spreading their philosophy publicly or through the communications media"
The incel subreddits, which were doing a great job at bring attention to incels, were all banned. This could’ve been just reddit’s decision after brigaders kept reporting posts there, or it could’ve been from government pressure too. Either way it worked in their favour. Fortunately they’ve had problems taking down .is because of our Icelandic domain, but they’ll probably do it eventually by pressuring our ISP. They’ll might take down inceltear as well because they’ve been bringing attention to us, or leave it up because they portray us badly
they oversaw the creation of "documentaries" skillfully edited to paint the Black Panther Party as aggressive
Obviously happening to us too. I think they’re also using academia by having all those useless incel studies portray us as hateful. One possible reason for this is that it allows them to change the narrative on Wikipedia by abusing the site’s rules. Just look at the history of its incel page and you’ll see what I mean
false newspapers that spread misinformation about party members
Plenty of examples of this too, already mentioned under the “false media stories” bit
TLDR The FBI is COINTELPROing us, and it’s pretty hopeless but we can fight back by going back to how we would post in the r/braincels days. Also we should be mistrustful of anyone who posts non-incel-related things in ID such as racebait
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