@Stupid Clown has asked me to repost my reply from his thread here:
This is going to be a doozy! So the DHS (department of homeland security) published a report recently before they quickly took it down revealing they've been trying to stop the growth of the manosphere by placing ads to their own soy puppets on MGTOW creators YouTube and Twitter pages. Even...
incels.is
TLDR - The government just made another pile of shit document calling us ideologically motivated terrorists. As always, they refuse to engage with our actual talking points and just cherry pick shitposts to support their own worldview. It is pathetic and reading it felt like chinese water torture - it's prattle. MAAAH EVIL MAAH EVIL MEN EBIL WOMEN ABUSE EVIL AWWAA - they even came up with a measure to determine how "evil" people are online. I can't understate how fucking retarded this.
Genuinely, I do not get how these fuckers cannot wrap their head around this: We are not a "movement" nor are we even an "ideology" of sorts, calling us that is equivalent to calling someone with a broken leg part of the "crippled" movement or ideology.
These people are beyond retarded: If they took
one actual, unbiased look at this forum & many other "Incel spaces" online, they would see just how divided things are here amongst the user base.
Look at this shit, they gave Sandman a 93 on the evil scale:
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I hope I don't to explain how bonkers it is to try to quantify value judgements using math. These same people probably shit on the nazis and other groups for trying to do the same thing - quantify human values scientifically. Yet they do the same to us. Absolutely gone, no words.
Now, for the rest of my reply, pasted from
@Stupid Clown 's thread.
As per request, I read the PDF.
- no concrete examples or approaches
- full of raw ideological verbiage, bombarding the reader with value judgements about what is hateful and what is not etc
- mentions incels.is but only cherry picks posts that support their view points (i.e. they pick a bunch of posts by pedos and screenshot them, or they pick posts by ppl complaining about being alone and say this is the core issue).
- They never bring up any of the posts showing research data though.
- Outrageous claims about an epidemic of anti-female violence in society - meanwhile onlyfans has a multi-billion dollar turn over rate annually. Also most victims of male violence are men + IPV symmetry (google it)
Also this book (written by women):
mega.nz
Since these people view the whole issue as ideological, all they have to offer is unjustifiable ideological claims.
Interesting things I found
- they say they have soys on social media larping as right wingers and manosphere dudes, trying to redirect men to "healthier" venues
I can spot these guys easily, I just can: When you see any, just send them my way & I will take care of them.
- they say that they pinpoint and attack specific individuals to de-radicalize them over time (makes me rethink some interactions I had over the years )
You know, call me "schizo" but I swear, when interacting & arguing with some users here, I genuinely think that some of them have been these types: I will have to really think, and go back of course, but I do definitely believe I have came into contact with some whom
- they recommend even more internet censorship using things like AI. This wont work. AI has to be trained on new terminology to learn. Human's dont. If a poser stops using the word "foid" and replaces it with "banana," how would an AI distinguish the 900 different use cases for "banana?" A word can change meaning based on context, gestures, tone of voice, context of thread, time of the year etc. The staggering complexity of language is too much for AI.
Take the sentence "I want to burn witches on a pile of wood with gasoline like its 1668."
Add some slang: "I want to roast some tuna on a campfire with kerosene like its 1994."
The fact they even suggested utizling AI shows just how much we, as a species, have fallen: Truly, we are accelerating towards a dystopia.
And yeah, good luck to them getting AI to work that way.
AI will not understand the second sentence, but users on this forum would, because context. So for AI to detect the second sentence as evil, it would have to rely on loose associations to determine the correct context (i.e. is it in "incel" context or is the guy talking about going to summer camp as a child?).
The infinite complexity of this will forever stifle AI.
Another way this could go down is similar to the "its ok to be white" slogan. AI can only figure out the meaning behind this by being taught the intention of its creators. On its own, it can not decipher this message, other than taking it literal.
For instance, what if incels stopped talking negatively about women and instead started talking super positive, but
meant it negative. "I looove women, they are so squishy and nice! I want to cuddle them forever yay!"
"GOD I wish i could spoil a bitch!
"
This is why they will never catch up, unless they literally censor everything. Totalitarian measures are the only way, and it is where we are going.
And this is the brutal reality. In fact, we already are under totalitarianism & have been for quite some time: However, it is not in the way many people believe it to be.
Effectively, the way in which any kind of dissident beliefs are "suppressed" is through the utilization of NPCs, ZOGbots, etc. most of whom just so happen to be foids. However, most(if not all) of these people are completely unaware that they are being "utilized" in a manner which seeks to advance a narrative & stifle the freedoms we have. Effectively, this is another forum of communal narcissism: These NPCs just want to feel as if they're being the "good guy" when in reality, they're mostly targeting the weakest links of these communities.
Everyone wants to be the hERo, yet no one wants to slay the dragon.
Now back to the PDF: It contains almost no value outside of ideological gibberish, made up metrics to measure how "evil" someone is. All the data suffers from presuppositions about what incels are and what the problem is (i.e. they act like its just an ideology made up by a bunch of angry lonely men - which begs the question why their made-up ideology is superior, but that's too high IQ for them).
Will still give it a read- could be both good entertainment as well as good information.
Thx for tagging me, I fuk wit da luv crew
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Now let's tag some giga iq users to get the ball rolling:
@WorthlessSlavicShit @Cybersex is our hope @NorthernWind @Atavistic Autist @DarkStarDown
@WacoGoesDown (fellow aircraft lover autist)
@lonelysince2006
Thanks for the tag; proud to be part of "Anti-Glowie Aktion"
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