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Blackpill The word "ascending" is proof that ALL OF US worship foids
Basically, foid worship makes people schizophrenic in the sense that it makes them believe in things that don't exist.
As a biological schizophrenic, I believe you can relate to what this means.
"Happiness" or at least "meaning" lies in serving the transcendent. What is in the human nature through our genes is the ability to serve language. Language is not something we dominate. It dominates us. Willy nilly, we are servants of the Logos. Our only choice is to be a willing and somewhat worthy one or a rebellious and downright shitty one.Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21 KJV
The collective level is indeed what I meant.
Of course, once the term has gained currency, not every use of it is a full-blown act of foid worship, I agree. Yet, its resonance is still there, permeating everything Incels do and say.
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Even here ...Most won't ever break free of theirindoctrination.
People hate Christianity because, on the one hand, they envy its success while, on the other, they are disappointed that it is not perfect.
Accepting both these aspects is the hardest thing to do.
How did you find Christianity and the deeper meaning behind it?
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I was raised full blown Atheist. At least this means I had no preconceived ideas.
Then I discovered all the failures of the "New philosophies", like I said above to @sub human
In my own life and in that of people close to me, I experienced these failures, up to and including suicide and murder.
Then I discovered the works of Rene Girard.
That set me on the path towards Christianity, which I then discovered in more detail on my own.
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That’s great. Being raised as an atheist does seem to me a modern evil though.
It is. I was lost for a very long time and suffered a lot as a result. But at least, it means that I was free from prejudice when I discovered Christianity.
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Always the same. If foid worship. Even if you don't watch but have still picked one anyway?
Really? Member drops a post and it's got about 70 non-retarded replies in 3 hours, and you say nobody cares?
Many people don’t realize that the suffering inflicted upon their soul and void they feel within their chest are a direct cause of being left alone to rot and choose among inefficient systems of thought (belief) that simply do not address the actual reality and relevance of the fundamental aspects of human life, developed by a bunch of autists, with little to no run or practical use.
Also it seems like Christianity (they did) knew what the fundamental worries and certainties we hold, and what were the traps of certain intellectual paths. Industrial prowess caught up to us.
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Stupid thread: people say ascend to go from incel to normie. Women are a means to the end, not the end.
OP, why are you such a cuck?
OP, why are you such a cuck?
When they buy cars, they look at brands' reputation.
When they choose a belief system, they don't
Christianity was developed on the basis of over 4000 years of civilizational experience in the Middle East (including the Jewish experiment). That is why it had such a head start.
I'm not arguing over dictionary definitions like a retard. The point is that sex is important, whether it's a want or a need is of purely academic interest and has little relevance to the real world. Feel free to discuss this with linguists and soyciologists
What we're talking about has nothing to do with the content of his post, but I admit his OP is just as dumb.
If the amount of suffering from lack of sex is increased by foid-worship (to the level of a NEED being unsatisfied), it is reasonable to assume that it is of interest to all incels. If you stop foid worship, the suffering will become tolerable. Isn't that worth investigating?I'm not arguing over dictionary definitions like a retard. The point is that sex is important, whether it's a want or a need is of purely academic interest and has little relevance to the real world. Feel free to discuss this with linguists and soyciologists
It is, of course, unless you are a fakecel who just haunts this board to indulge his sick penchant for edgy shock-value platitudes.
Ok, and then people on here keep on insisting how normies are cucks and betabuxxing morons. Why would people would want to "ascend" to such a status?
Your explanation does not hold water. That is not the reason why incel use the word "ascend"
I’ve unironically heard that the “it’s been tried many times and it sucks” argument holds no value because we are expanding our knowledge on the matter increasingly, and therefore, are able to better implement the imperatives needed for it to have an effect in the world. As long as it MAKES SENSE in their mind, under perfect conditions or prerogatives, they will always defend their system, ever since they define the conditions for them to work, disregarding reality for logical imagination, intellectual fiction and self-amusement. These virtual realities can never contain the entirety of variables that affect us every day. It’s trying to solve the world, I swear.
Even when it carries suffering, death and illness, as you said, the pursuit of the Gnosis has been one if not the reason for both the supremacy and mental suffering of the West. Too high a price to pay, literally selling your soul for your own delusion.
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I’d say “ascending” is Chadlite level or nothing. No-one is thinking of ”just” obtaining normie status. However, that’s the possibility we have at hand here… Still, it’s entering the Communion of Attractive Sex-Havers. A void pursuit on its own.
It's just lingo fag, I did not create the word.
Worshipping is not bad tbh , but it should be reciprocal and toilets should worship non chads too. The way such worship is demonstrated is key, cucks give it for free to women. Being discret about it is the best to raise their ego as little as possible. It is not bad as long as you know when and how to do it, and you must demand something back from it.
They need virtues to earn my respect let alone worship, without them they're nothing more than walking fleshlights to me. Also wanting to fuck and dump them is not foid worship.
Worshipping is not bad tbh , but it should be reciprocal and toilets should worship non chads too. The way such worship is demonstrated is key, cucks give it for free to women. Being discret about it is the best to raise their ego as little as possible. It is not bad as long as you know when and how to do it, and you must demand something back from it.
They need virtues to earn my respect let alone worship, without them they're nothing more than walking fleshlights to me. Also wanting to fuck and dump them is not foid worship.
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you are talking about betabuxxers. you are focused on men who marry and not men who date.
My explanation does hold water if you focus on the men who date and don't marry.
This is just as bluepilled as the normie copers who claim external validation is meaningless and to "find confidence in ourselves"
Humans are social creatures, being a social outcast and lacking external validation (which sex essentially is, not by foids but by society as a whole) will inevitably lead to unhappiness and depression. That we are completely excluded from the normal path of life (getting married, having children and a family) just makes it even more unbearable. The reason we are unhappy is not foid worship, it's human nature.
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OP has made other threads about foid worship. He also has said "we are all robbed of our masculinity". No one should take him seriously.This is just as bluepilled as the normie copers who claim external validation is meaningless and to "find confidence in ourselves"
Humans are social creatures, being a social outcast and lacking external validation (which sex essentially is, not by foids but by society as a whole) will inevitably lead to unhappiness and depression. That we are completely excluded from the normal path of life (getting married, having children and a family) just makes it even more unbearable. The reason we are unhappy is not foid worship, it's human nature.
What are you talking about then boss? I appears to me that it is has every to do with the content of his post. Directly and indirectly....
I never said that. By definition, religion is not "in yourself", it is always outside of you, be it the host of catholic mass or in the embrace of the great holy foid.This is just as bluepilled as the normie copers who claim external validation is meaningless and to "find confidence in ourselves"
social norms come from culture. Culture includes religion. Culture ALWAYS include some kind of religion, good or bad.
No, not if you do not share in the values that made you a social outcast.
This is the same problem as the untouchables in India. If you are a Hindu, you suffer from being an untouchable because you believe you status is justified. That is why many Indian untouchables converted to Christianity, Islam or Buddhism, because, after conversion, they stopped giving a shit about being an untouchable.
If you stop being a foid worshiper, you stop giving a shit about being an incel.
Which is today mostly betabuxxing and being cuckolded left and right and finally divorce raped. Incels are very aware of this. Why would they want it?
Nobody knows what "human nature" is in the absence culture. The presence of culture (and religion) always obscures what raw genetic "human nature" would be.
But we do know what religion does and how it can tremendously alter things for better or worse.
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Well, apparently, some people here do.
And, by the way, why should we take YOU seriously. You are just an incel with a 1970s bat mobile as an AV and not much else to your name.
Your point is?
Even if incels formed their own parallel society it would not help much because we are all male and cannot give each other what we desire.
Human nature. Also I don't know how old you are but have you ever thought about what happens when your parents die? You will literally be all alone, a wife and children are the only thing that can prevent this.
Nature always triumphs over nurture, you can let a human be raised by apes but he will still turn out human.
Muslim, Christian or Buddhist untouchables still live in the same society as Hindus. But they don't give a shit about what Hindus think of them. We can do the same.
We do not need to reproduce because bluepill society will always produce more incels that will join our ranks. Escorts can give us sex. If we are not foid worshipers, there is nothing else we need.
It does not prevent it if you are a cucked betabuxxer that suddenly ends up alone after being divorce raped. Being an incel from the get go enables you to adapt to solitude and get by. I am an oldcel and my mother is dead. My dad is a dick and I never see him. I am no longer afraid of being alone.
Absolutely not. That is a superstition. Culture always dominates over human instincts. If it did not, we would still be hunter-gatherers. The fact that we switched to farming and then to industry proves that our culture was able to do an enormous amount of instinct bending/suppression. Otherwise, these non-natural lifestyles (farming, industry) would be impossible to sustain.
Cope, fucking hookers is basically the same as masturbation. It does nothing to alleviate your desire for love, companionship, social validation and a family.
Your children are still there.
Maybe you're an exception, but I think you're coping. Humans are not adapted to solitude, most of us can't bear being alone. It's not a life worth living.
We just adapted to new technology just like other animals adapt to humans and become domesticated pets. At our core we are still the same animals and always will be.
Which is good enough.
Foid worship religion.
Unless their mother has turned them against you and slapped a restraining order on your ass.
Define a life worth living.
You really don't get it, do you?
What forces animals to adapt to us? Us.
What forces us to "adapt to new technology"? God?
Breathing is 'worshiping' life, stop breathing and be free of worship mentality.
Come on. You're being facetious, it's not good !
Normally I don't ever say this type of thing, but you've earned it....
Either present your counter argument and disagreements with OP's post or it's gotta be....
Post count of 166 = Shush GrAyCel Shusssh!
Ascension is more of a meme buzzword but it's true that people have become massive cucks in here
Yes it sucks to not have sex, yes it MASSIVELY sucks to not have a romantic partner and I share that pain, but would you really be happy with one nighters if society kept treating you like shit?
For me ascension would mean to finally become accepted into soyciety as a fully functional member and not get made fun of by everyone. It's a bitch to make friends as a trucel, and it's even more a bitch to find success in such an environment.
Sex obviously helps emotionally speaking but it ain't gonna magically solve all of those issues
Yes it sucks to not have sex, yes it MASSIVELY sucks to not have a romantic partner and I share that pain, but would you really be happy with one nighters if society kept treating you like shit?
For me ascension would mean to finally become accepted into soyciety as a fully functional member and not get made fun of by everyone. It's a bitch to make friends as a trucel, and it's even more a bitch to find success in such an environment.
Sex obviously helps emotionally speaking but it ain't gonna magically solve all of those issues
interesting. I'd say its a half truth. Partially true, partially false.
My idea is that sex and not being alone can relieve a lot of distress
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That is not going to happen while Western society is dominated by foid worship.
Yes definitely.
It won't make them happy.
Making "friends" today means we have to act unreasonable because of all the built up crap that word is associated with. It's like you said for Truecels, but its true for a lot more people than just them. The world would work better if nobody tried to be anyone's "friend" in the way the word is applied today. That's why "its a bitch to make friends" as you rightly said.
True.
Why 95%+ males jerk off is sex isn't a biological need?
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It is a strong desire but not a need. If you can satisfy a desire (e.g. by jerking off), you will do it. But if you can't, you will be able to deal with it (contrary to the need for air, food and water).
Also, a natural desire like the desire for sex can be amplified by religion (foid worship) to the point where it becomes a psychological need. This is actually the reason why most males jerk off to porn today.
I just took the term "ascending" to mean you climbed out of the proverbial hole that is depression caused by a life of involuntary celibacy.
By that, do you mean that being considered a "friend" dictates that you have certain obligations to follow, like doing small favors, buying two water bottles instead of one to share, and such things?
Well, that goes both ways. Friendship is reciprocal and your friends also have to do the same things to help you out.
Unless, I'm missing something, of course.
It's pretty much impossible to get by without "friends," since that word also applies to associates and connections in the workforce, since you are obliged to accept "friend" requests on Facebook from coworkers.
Also, people I hate have introduced me as "friends."
That word is actually pretty meaningless.
I guess I don't know what you're saying is my main point.
Good question. No I don't mean that. Small favors are fine. I mean, in the social sense, it's a word that we often use to imply "equality in partnership". It's also a word that's used to torture each other in front of foids or others to gain a feeling of superiority and climb the social ladder by stepping on each other.
Yes true.
Yes this is a tough situation we are in. It's one reason I moved away from the West. I'm not saying you should be rude or ignore your coworkers, but I am also saying I couldn't function in that environment because there is so many things wrong with soyciety in the West. I am mostly a freelancer and if I do have to work with people, I choose places where the sickness is less. Again - That's one reason I left the West.
Yeah, my point exactly. ^
This confusion happens because I can't be more specific on here. I can't be as clear as I would want to in person. But what I can say is that, if you can avoid having to be "friends" with people, then avoid it. If you can work with people but simultaneously avoid being roped into "friendship" without damaging you position, do it. Be as polite as possible with the ignoring, but also don't get sucked in.
My apologies if what I am saying sounds archaic. I just can't go into any further details here.
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Like @ItsOver4cel said, ascension is just a meme. It's another one of our copes that gives us hope in the face of full-blown depression an suicide. Only naive incels who haven't fully swallowed the black pill still hold on to the fantastical idea of "ascension." Those of us who truly understand that it's completely and absolutely over don't cling to such fantasies, we find other ways to cope.
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