[Tinder Experiment] Ugly gymcel gets hot Tinder matches! [Spicy thread] [GTFIH]

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matches are pretty trivial to get, really. try getting one to accept hooking up with him and this experiment would be much more meaningful.


LMFAO at that wall of text. the only thing missing is you talking about your 5'2" ripped indian janitor friend who slays supermodels weekly because he knows how to hold frame well.

time to go back to TRP, pal.
I hate TRP and PUAs, but that doesn't mean that everything they say has to be false. This is one of the very rare cases where they are right.

Pretending like a muscular big body isn't part of the female primal sexual instinct is the biggest COPE. It's not all about face. 

It's exactly like how some men like CURVES. We have a primal instinct to be attracted to big butts and boobs, because they're signs of a female suited to bear children. A man can prefer a flat girl, but the two preferences are not comparable. One is instinctual, the other social.

I'd rather tap a butterface with curves than a pretty girl with a flat chest and butt. Some femoids are exactly the same.

And really shut your hole, this is an experiment with proof. Pick a gymcel of your choice, run the experiment, and see for yourselves. The COPE is just too real in some of these framcels.
 
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As mentalcel as you are, you are still a soundminded poster here. This thread is particularly good.

[email protected] coping that horsecel isn't ugly just because he has matches. I can almost guarantee that 99% of users here mog him facially. As much as I hate IncelTears, some of their beliefs about this place is on the money. Guys here blame their looks, but when pressed, they confess to being mentalcels and social awkwardness being their biggest problem.

<cope> I don't mind so much that men here are mentalcels because they are 4+ in looks. If they had a normal brain, they would be my competition. For instance, there is no way I could complete with Twisted/Sparky. He mogs me in race, age and looks. But because he is too autistic to speak to women, this helps me. I hope every mentalcel here continues to think gymcelling is cope, to think that you need a girl to set a beartrap for you and kidnap you for it count as an IOI, to think that only women over 8/10 are worth it, etc. You said you're too autistic to message girls with a fake tinder because you would be disappointed if you didn't get a reply, even though the point you are trying to investigate is how much body matters. I'm glad you're too much of an aspie to talk to women.  No offence. We sub5s need all the help we can get. </cope>
TBH you're probably more likely to get laid than me and the rest of the mentalcels on here. I couldn't even seal the deal when I had a DTF girl in my bed, just lol.

If you aren't NT then you're not even in the game.
 
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I would fuck a lot of girls if I was bored enough and they made it easy for me. Here's the minimum girl that I'd be comfortable being seen in public with:



Also Jeff Seid mogs me at 13 lmfao. I wonder at what age he surpassed me. Maybe 9 or 10?
Standardcel as always. 

Here's a standardcel/volcel test (some random girls I found just now looking for Australian Chads for a thread, nohomo):










Tell me who you wouldn't fuck in each picture.
 
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TBH you're probably more likely to get laid than me and the rest of the mentalcels on here. I couldn't even seal the deal when I had a DTF girl in my bed, just lol.

If you aren't NT then you're not even in the game.
Effectively, I prove that looks are only 80-90% of the equation. The first 80-90 - in terms of impressions - rather than the last 80-90 - but 80-90 nonetheless.
 
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Tell me who you wouldn't fuck in each picture.
I'm not sure if you were asking everyone or just the guy you're replying to, but I'd probably pass on the fat girl in the third pic. My grandmother has arms like that.

I jerk off 5-6 times a day though, so maybe I'd want to bang her too if I tried no-fap (not that she'd want me).
 
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Tell me who you wouldn't fuck in each picture.
Lol I'd fuck all of them if it was as simple as that. But I would never put any effort into fucking most of them, besides maybe the bottom left one in the second picture.

Like if the gook in the 3rd picture started talking to me in class I would mostly ignore her. So even if theoretically she's fuckable, realistically I would never do it.
 
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And where do you get the idea that females are biologically inclined to be attracted to muscles? If that were the case, we wouldn't need to exercise to grow muscles, they'd grow spontaneously like the tail on a peacock. Lifting just sends a signal that the muscles need to grow, otherwise our bodies will keep them to a bare minimum, which would never be the case if our survival and reproduction depended on them even slightly.
That's because survivability matters the most. So in other words, the reason why our bodies aren't all muscular is because your body is built to survive and not just reproduce. In a scarcity of resources, building muscle became a privilege. 
It's virility and dominance that attracts females not muscles. Muscles are just a symbol of that, but being skinny is not. You can of course compensate with other features, but as an incel, muscles are definitely your best friend.

All of the points you mentioned are right, but they would only counter my argument if I were saying that muscles are the most important thing. I'm not. Of course a skinny guy can get more sex than a muscled one. Other factors like face come into mind. However, I'm saying that gymceling can only increase your chances of getting laid, because you'd have at least one positive aspect of you. It also does wonders for your own confidence. 

How big were you as a gymcel? The muscle fetish thing really depends on you being wideframed, and not just a defined guy with a 6 pack.
 
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I hate TRP and PUAs, but that doesn't mean that everything they say has to be false. This is one of the very rare cases where they are right.

Pretending like a muscular big body isn't part of the female primal sexual instinct is the biggest COPE. It's not all about face. 

It's exactly like how some men like CURVES. We have a primal instinct to be attracted to big butts and boobs, because they're signs of a female suited to bear children. A man can prefer a flat girl, but the two preferences are not comparable. One is instinctual, the other social.

I'd rather tap a butterface with curves than a pretty girl with a flat chest and butt. Some femoids are exactly the same. 

And really shut your hole, this is an experiment with proof. Pick a gymcel of your choice, run the experiment, and see for yourselves. The COPE is just too real in some of these framcels.
being muscular indeed is a positive if you're not short and have a decent frame, i haven't denied that. it just isn't enough to get one laid. (also, if you're truecel, you either do not have these two things or have a particularly bad looking face. in these cases, it's a failo and people will see you as an overcompensating cunt)

that's not a rational comparison. you are a male. you have a different brain, different hormone levels, were raised differently, had a much MUCH different social life, etc. a female has no reason to settle for an ugly yet muscular male; they can have their cake and eat it too in our society. really, it's funny how you're talking about muscular males as if they're a rarity. "just gym bro" is a normie meme and they ALL believe that anyone who gyms can get laid easily. there are lots and LOTS of muscular men with a better face than that of an incel's. females have easy access to them both in real life and online dating.

you're the one trying to prove that gymceling works, not me. the burden of proof is on you.
 
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Lol I'd fuck all of them if it was as simple as that. But I would never put any effort into fucking most of them, besides maybe the bottom left one in the second picture.

Like if the gook in the 3rd picture started talking to me in class I would mostly ignore her. So even if theoretically she's fuckable, realistically I would never do it.
You need to be more proactive. Do you have zero sex drive or something?
 
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Somebody's trying to push gymceling really hard on this site. It doesn't work.

First of all that guy must have sunk a few thousand hours into lifting and nutrition (4-5 years at least) and a few thousand dollars into gear.
Second, getting a Tinder match is far cry from being able to bang one of the girls that matched you.

The evidence is almost everybody quits the gym after a year or two. If it were so effective, no one would ever quit the gym and there would be no gymcels.

Fuck off with this propaganda. Muscles don't work for ugly or short guys, unless you think getting a dozen matches from guaranteed flakes after thousands of hours sunk into gymceling is a reasonable return on investment.
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Standardcel as always. 

Here's a standardcel/volcel test (some random girls I found just now looking for Australian Chads for a thread, nohomo):










Tell me who you wouldn't fuck in each picture.
This is why euthanization should be legal.
 
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This thread has my support because there is scientific evidence for it.
But you don't now if the females are willing to fuck or have an ltr.
 
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Time to inject and stop watching porn.
I don't want to lower my standards because then my dream of getting a 6/10 GF will never be realized.

But you don't now if the females are willing to fuck or have an ltr.
You guys saying this are such faggots. Do your own experiment if you think this one isn't good enough, instead of just sticking your head in the sand and saying "lalala I'm not lazy as fuck gymcelling doesn't work lalala I can't hear you!"
 
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that's not a rational comparison. you are a male. you have a different brain, different hormone levels, was raised differently, much MUCH different social life, etc. a female has no reason to settle for an ugly yet muscular male; they can have their cake and eat it too in our society. really, it's funny how you're talking about muscular males as if they're a rarity. "just gym bro" is a normie meme and they all believe that they can get laid easily,
Muscles are a rarity when you look at the average man and girls do have fetishes. There will always be girls who want to get fucked by a muscled dude. So yes, if she cannot find a muscled Chad, she will settle for a gymcel. Stop denying that. 

 if they only gym. there are lots and LOTS of muscular men with a better face than that of an incel's. females have easy access to them both in real life and online dating. [font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]you're the one trying to prove that gymceling works, not me. the burden of proof is on you.[/font]
You're the one making the claim that there are lots of muscular men and girls won't settle for a gymcel. Have you seen this thread? The burden of proof is on you not us. You're claiming something contradictory to what was shown, so what's your explanation to that? Provide a counter-experiment or evidence that shows otherwise. Again, I challenge you too to pick a gymcel of your choice and run the same experiment.
 
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I don't want to lower my standards because then my dream of getting a 6/10 GF will never be realized. 
E X P E R I E N C E. 

Don't expect a 6 PSL girl as your first as a kv your age
 
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And LOL at the framcels saying his body cost THOUSANDS. If that's not the biggest COPE, I don't know what is. LOL just LOL.
 
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And LOL at the framcels saying his body cost THOUSANDS. If that's not the biggest COPE, I don't know what is. LOL just LOL.
The price of food and steroids do add up.
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Because you have no experience + hypergamy. Of course you can fuck 6 PSL girls down the line, but starting that high (6 PSL is quite attractive, like top 70-80% of girls) is stupid.
 
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And LOL at the framcels saying his body cost THOUSANDS. If that's not the biggest COPE, I don't know what is. LOL just LOL.
Even if it does cost thousands, people spend way more than that on expensive cars, expensive clothes, gifts, and other betabux shit. A couple thousand for genuine raw attraction is well worth it.
 
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The price of food and steroids do add up.
A basic cycle of steroids can cost less than $250, which is more than these framecels need to get in shape. And food is not more expensive if you know what you're doing. Cutting out junk actually made my food bill lower not higher, even though I'm eating more.
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Even if it does cost thousands, people spend way more than that on expensive cars, expensive clothes, gifts, and other betabux shit. A couple thousand for genuine raw attraction is well worth it.
Exactly. This guy gets it.
 
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Because you have no experience + hypergamy. Of course you can fuck 6 PSL girls down the line, but starting that high (6 PSL is quite attractive, like top 70-80% of girls) is stupid.
Well RIP. Time to rot.
 
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A basic cycle of steroids can cost less than $250, which is more than these framecels need to get in shape. And food is not more expensive if you know what you're doing. Cutting out junk actually made my food bill lower not higher, even though I'm eating more.
Depends on the type of steroids, dose, location and duration of the blast.

If you're going to be using tren, that is a lot more expensive than test most places.
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Well RIP. Time to rot.
Or just accept that you need to be giving lesser attractive girls a chance to get experience. I know why you don't want to, it's because of your "pride." Fuck your pride, you should have none as an incel to begin with.
 
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Or just accept that you need to be giving lesser attractive girls a chance to get experience. I know why you don't want to, it's because of your "pride." Fuck your pride, you should have none as an incel to begin with.


Brutal redpill. You're probably right though. 

Time to fish for landwhales and goblin sharks.
 
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Depends on the type of steroids, dose, location and duration of the blast.

If you're going to be using tren, that is a lot more expensive than test most places.
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Or just accept that you need to be giving lesser attractive girls a chance to get experience. I know why you don't want to, it's because of your "pride." Fuck your pride, you should have none as an incel to begin with.
Yes man, but the results these beginners want can be achieved by just testo and just one cycle if they train and eat well already. Saying they won't start because it's expensive is just COPE.
 
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You guys saying this are such faggots. Do your own experiment if you think this one isn't good enough, instead of just sticking your head in the sand and saying "lalala I'm not lazy as fuck gymcelling doesn't work lalala I can't hear you!"
But I am lazy as fuck. I never said I wasn't. It's way to much work for little reward. I just wanna see if you can catfish some bitches
 
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That's because survivability matters the most. So in other words, the reason why our bodies aren't all muscular is because your body is built to survive and not just reproduce. In a scarcity of resources, building muscle became a privilege.
But scarcity of resources is not constant. Overabundance of resources will never result in muscles if you don't exercise. The peacock's tail again - it's a hindrance that lowers their chance of survival but it's still around as an evolutionary trait.


It's virility and dominance that attracts females not muscles.
That's red-pill talk. The angles of your face are what attracts women. A meek shy guy with a great face will always mog the most confident cocky asshole with a shitty face.

You can of course compensate with other features, but as an incel, muscles are definitely your best friend.
You cannot compensate. You can take advantage of a woman's fetish for muscles (or her need for money if you're rich), but sexual attraction if all about how your face looks.

However, I'm saying that gymceling can only increase your chances of getting laid, because you'd have at least one positive aspect of you.
Sure. Other things that can only increase your chances of getting laid: walking up to women and asking them out, learning how to play a musical instrument and joining a band, walking a cute puppy or becoming a really good dancer. Just because it will raise your chances ever so slightly doesn't mean it's a good idea.

It also does wonders for your own confidence.
Red-pill stuff again. Confidence is irrelevant unless you're competing with your identical twin.

How big were you as a gymcel? The muscle fetish thing really depends on you being wideframed, and not just a defined guy with a 6 pack.
I don't take measurements but I can't have a conversation with a guy without it veering into something exercise-related. I'll ask the guy at the supermarket for chicken breasts and he'll make some comment about lifting or ask questions. I go to a job interview and the guy across the table would comment on my muscles and talk about lifting. I have to wear a thick jacket for it to not be obvious that I lift. Women though, they act as if I'm an obstacle in their way.

And this is not unique to me, I know a lot of well built guys. Some of them are as ugly as me and I never see them with girls either. Why would the girls want them when thanks to Tinder (even in my shitty country) there's an effectively unlimited supply of good looking guys who also have muscles?
 
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Brutal redpill. You're probably right though. 

Time to fish for landwhales and goblin sharks.
I am not saying "fuck ugly girls", I am saying "give girls in the 4-5 range a chance."


Some more evidence for your thread:

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnt1s0Cgslw[/video]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s--mQ5at6cs[/video]
 
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Muscles are a rarity when you look at the average man and girls do have fetishes. There will always be girls who want to get fucked by a muscled dude. So yes, if she cannot find a muscled Chad, she will settle for a gymcel. Stop denying that. 


You're the one making the claim that there are lots of muscular men and girls won't settle for a gymcel. Have you seen this thread? The burden of proof is on you not us. You're claiming something contradictory to what was shown, so what's your explanation to that? Provide a counter-experiment or evidence that shows otherwise. Again, I challenge you too to pick a gymcel of your choice and run the same experiment.
i JUST replied to that by saying that no female has to settle for an ugly muscular male. even this thing has dozens of males vying for a chance to have sex with it:

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=168948903
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=171686993

this proves the ridiculous SMV of a female, ANY female. it's 10 times stronger of a statement than this thread, too, considering they're not just matches, they're PMs by males. if you still think that an average female ever has to settle, get an IQ test.

"this is an experiment with proof. pick a gymcel of your choice, run the experiment, and see for yourselves". that is you saying "do it yourself to see". that's what i was referring to by "the burden of proof is on you".

i don't like to insult incels but i gotta say, the intellectual quality of incel individuals really is on the downtrend lately.
 
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And LOL at the framcels saying his body cost THOUSANDS. If that's not the biggest COPE, I don't know what is. LOL just LOL.
How long has that guy been on gear? How much does his nutrition cost vs a normal guy's nutrition. How much did his gym membership cost over however many years he's trained? It all adds up even if you consider the time he spent on his body to have no cost.
 
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I am not saying "fuck ugly girls", I am saying "give girls in the 4-5 range a chance."


Some more evidence for your thread:
Fair enough.

And dear god, acnecels shouldn't even be allowed to go out in public, that vid is legit sickening.
 
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How long has that guy been on gear? How much does his nutrition cost vs a normal guy's nutrition. How much did his gym membership cost over however many years he's trained? It all adds up even if you consider the time he spent on his body to have no cost.
What else are you gonna spend your money on? Ice cream? Vidya? Waifu body pillows?
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You are probably one of the most high standars raters here dude
The gymcel is way below 4/10 but IMO all 3 of the girls that I posted are above 7/10 (Olivia is a legit Stacy.)
 
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You are probably one of the most high standars raters here dude
I may be a harsh rater, but my standards aren't high.
 
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But scarcity of resources is not constant. Overabundance of resources will never result in muscles if you don't exercise. The peacock's tail again - it's a hindrance that lowers their chance of survival but it's still around as an evolutionary trait.
You're talking about something completely different. You cannot compare a tail that is always passed down genetically to all males to muscle mass that cannot. You can compare it to the capacity to build muscles maybe, and our capacity to build muscle has dramatically increased.

The issue is too complex to give examples about. There are many factors at play here, and I don't think it's reasonable to use this an example after all. To put it simply, we both know that big boobs and wider hips (ie bigger butt) indicate fertility and childbearing capabilities for females, but then why aren't all females curvy? Same thing with faces. Why aren't all males Chad? It's because the issue is too complex and has too many factors to keep in mind. Random genetic mutations and genetic diversity come to mind.

That's red-pill talk. The angles of your face are what attracts women. A meek shy guy with a great face will always mog the most confident cocky asshole with a shitty face.
You cannot dismiss shit by calling it redpill. A meek shy guy with a great face will not always mog the most confident cocky asshole with a shitty face. It really depends on how ugly, how confident, how meek, etc... 
There's a threshold where the great face won't help you anymore, and a threshold of ugly where even confidence won't help.


Whichever way you look at it. Gymcel beats framecel at any given day...even if it's just exploiting a girl's fetish.
 
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What else are you gonna spend your money on? Ice cream? Vidya? Waifu body pillows?
I'd spend all my money on gear if it worked. But I tried and it doesn't, not for me. It's been field tested. How long have you been lifting? Where are your confident statements coming from? From getting a dozen matches off of Tinder? I got dozens of matches on Tinder (with shirt on too), I got 6 dates, zero kisses and no sex obviously. A Tinder match means nothing. Try your gymcel plan in real life and get back to me. I tried it and it didn't work.
 
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I'd spend all my money on gear if it worked. But I tried and it doesn't, not for me. It's been field tested. How long have you been lifting? Where are your confident statements coming from? From getting a dozen matches off of Tinder? I got dozens of matches on Tinder (with shirt on too), I got 6 dates, zero kisses and no sex obviously. A Tinder match means nothing. Try your gymcel plan in real life and get back to me. I tried it and it didn't work.
If you went on 6 dates and didn't get a single kiss then it's not your looks holding you back. You gotta escalate buddy boyo.

Inb4 "b-but Chico doesn't have to escalate, girls will rape him if he doesn't!"

And I haven't gotten laid from gymcelling because I don't look like I lift. AT ALL.

https://i.imgur.com/JV3fphe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ISrWUb5.jpg

Once I ascend with steroids though I won't even remember this place.
 
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I'd spend all my money on gear if it worked. But I tried and it doesn't, not for me. It's been field tested. How long have you been lifting? Where are your confident statements coming from? From getting a dozen matches off of Tinder? I got dozens of matches on Tinder (with shirt on too), I got 6 dates, zero kisses and no sex obviously. A Tinder match means nothing. Try your gymcel plan in real life and get back to me. I tried it and it didn't work.
Man, nobody said it will be magics and you will suddenly get laid. We're just saying it's definitely worth it for incels and will def. help for the ugly face, but autism trumps all. If you cannot act NT, nothing will help you unless you were Chad. You need to work on that lol.
 
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You can compare it to the capacity to build muscles maybe, and our capacity to build muscle has dramatically increased.
If your body will destroy muscle when you're not using them, then muscles can't be important for reproduction. It's how evolution works. A peacock will grow a tail despite the hindrance it presents. Muscles on the other hand are useful for fighting and running and doing shit but they still get destroyed pronto, even if there's no shortage of food.



To put it simply, we both know that big boobs and wider hips (ie bigger butt) indicate virility and childbearing capabilities for females, but then why aren't all females curvy?
But not only aren't all men muscular (to the degree they hope to become by lifting), no men are muscular unless they make an effort. Our genetics has millions of years of experience as to the cost/benefit of maintaining muscles.

Besides, look at who are the most desirable women with. Look how many female fans those twink boy band members have vs how many The Rock has. By your theories guys like The Rock should be head and shoulders above pretty much every other celebrity. Instead, well... it's mostly other guys that get hard ons for guys like him.



There's a threshold where the great face won't help you anymore, and a threshold of ugly where even confidence won't help.
The former is very high and the latter is very low. Face always wins.


Whichever way you look at it. Gymcel beats framecel at any given day...even if it's just exploiting a girl's fetish.
Sure... but he's still a -cel.
 
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Just be white theory is all I see here
 
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If you went on 6 dates and didn't get a single kiss then it's not your looks holding you back. You gotta escalate buddy boyo.
Oh, I did. What happens is they step back and shake their head. Just because she wasn't disgusted by me on the few cherrypicked pics I put up doesn't mean she can't find me ugly.




And I haven't gotten laid from gymcelling because I don't look like I lift. AT ALL. Once I ascend with steroids though I won't even remember this place.
Sorry but if I had your face, I'd be swimming in pussy and I wouldn't even bother lifting. You're high tier normie, you don't belong here.
 
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top kek at people calling this Chaddam "incel".
 
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@Framecel222 if you're too scared to message women on a fake dating profile incase they breathe fire down the phone, hand the account over to me (PM me) or someone else who is normal.
 
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@Framecel222 if you're too scared to message women on a fake dating profile incase they breathe fire down the phone, hand the account over to me (PM me) or someone else who is normal.
Wouldn't that fuck up the location though?
 
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Are you uglier than horsecel?
I can't tell. Certainly on my best pics my face looks better than his face on the pic you posted. The thing is it all falls apart in real life. Girls would see my pics, we'd talk on the phone for a long time, I'd be making them laugh and really engaging them. Then we'd meet in real life and before I say anything it takes them literally two seconds to put up a wall between us and it's over.