Experiment Is it ok to torture to save a live?

[Justice Bao]

Yesterday they showed a movie in the German TV; Feinde (i dont watch TV much, around once a month or so). Its about the following:A guy kidnaps a richs familiy 12-year old daughter and demands 5 million Euro ransom. A police inspector starts the investigation and gets the guy. But he has no proof and the Guy refuses to confess. Since the girl is in danger he tortures the suspect with waterboarding until he tells where the girl is hidden. Too late, shes already dead. At first the criminal doesnt tell anyone that the inspector used waterboarding on him. However his lawyer finds out and advice that he shuts his mouth from now on.

On trial the lawyer can trick the inspector into admitting that he used waterboarding. Since a confession under pressure is invalid in german law the court has no choice other than release the guy.

The movie was shown in two different version: one with the inspector as protagonist, the other from the lawyers point of view. The first resembles Justice, the other one the law. To make it short; Law isnt always just.

My personal opinion: Torture should be never allowed; not on criminals not on political enemies not even if it would save another live. Foids however are no human and can be used as one pleases (joke, dont freak out)

 

[coldmachinery]

yes just watch 24

 

[incel_wolf]

I agree. Torture should never be allowed to get information.
You can never be sure if your victom tells the truth or lies to you in order to end the torture.
And if the victom doesn't know anything, the whole procedure would be senseless pain for him.

 

[Deleted member 23712]

saving 99.99999999999999% of humans is cucked

 

[Incellus]

I suppose this gets into the whole "ticking time bomb scenario", and whether or not torture is allowed. The example would be that you captured a terrorist and his family. He has planted a nuclear bomb in NYC that will soon go off. Is it OK to burn off the face/feet/hands of the terrorist or his family members with a blowtorch, in an attempt to get info? Or, is it better just let the bomb go off, killing millions in a awful, fiery death?

 

[Justice Bao]

I suppose this gets into the whole "ticking time bomb scenario", and whether or not torture is allowed. The example would be that you captured a terrorist and his family. He has planted a nuclear bomb in NYC that will soon go off. Is it OK to burn off the face/feet/hands of the terrorist or his family members with a blowtorch, in an attempt to get info? Or, is it better just let the bomb go off, killing millions in a awful, fiery death?

and when he just lies? Thats the reason torture was abolished in the first place. torture victimis usually dont tell the truth

 

[Deleted member 21752]

Depends on the situation imo. But mutilation for torture is not okay regardless

 

[FamilyGuy1999]

torture is based though if its not me getting tortured

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Contemplating morally grey areas is suifuel because it's always the ugly non-NT guy that is first in line to be sacrificed and society likes to remind them of this when carrying out these hypotheticals tbh

 

[Mainländer]

Torture to torturers.

 

[Emba]

I hope the poor girl didn't die a virgin.

 

[Deleted member 28304]

saving 99.99999999999999% of humans is cucked

99% 1%

 

[Sneepysqar]

and when he just lies? Thats the reason torture was abolished in the first place. torture victimis usually dont tell the truth

They'll know. In these situations, they're asking for a location with an object. If the girl (OP scenario) or bomb isn't there, they can continue interrogating. I voted yes

 

[JohnDoe]

Torture a foid to save my sanity